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Rudra, The http://www.mod.nic.in site mentions that OFB is working on a long rod penetrator. As Paul infers that the present Arjun APFSDS is around 20:1 L:d and western ones DM43 etal are "hitting" the 30:1 range,it appears DRDO is wrking towards the latter. Mike, nitin - are you saying t...

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Pardon me but i'm bloody well irritated.Fine this thread is veering into AFV/IFV territory but the least that can be done is to check one's facts before speculating.And even the speculation is based on wrong assumptions. We have the usual scare theories and then "trashing" a product despit...

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PC,there was no money for upgrades.Then.We didnt evne have money for Avadi to build plain jane T72M1's.Please check up and then post.Jeez,dont tell me you dont "remember" the times of gold and honey for the services..ie the 90's. I suspect that the army probably was not interested in this ...

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BTW,the Drawa T FCS is a Polish one in service with the Polish army(IOW ,it works and has been shown to work) which gives fire on the move capability in conjunction with better stabilization.Incorporated with minimal changes to the tank structure.

Regards,
Nitin

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It looks like India's T-72's are all still using primitive stadia reticle sights (no computerized FCS w/laser-ranging). This means Indian T-72's are probably only about 1/10 as effective in gunnery as an Al-Khalid, T-85III, or T-80U. All Indian T72M1's have Laser range finders.And passive night sig...

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As time permits i'll try and dig up a brief summary of FCS engaement on an old gen tank-say T72 as compared to the system on a leo2A4.

Niranjan,
A hunter killer "ability" can be retrofitted to almost all tanks.Including the T72..

Regards,
Nitin

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Yes,definitely ..TI can be added!Also FCS changed to give fire on the move capability.ERA for cheap modular protection,better NBC protection ,GPS for nav,....you get the idea.All thats been mentioned is part of the CI upgrade. Nandai's post shows imho the most needed upgrade.Off with the carousel au...

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Reading the Asia times report by Isenberg(the yahoo armstrade group chap) is giving me a ROTFLMAO attack! :p All he has to go on is one South Korean report.No facts whatsoever. And mind you,the Russians would hand over a T90 and its Kontakt tech as well as composite armor tech for....pray what?North...

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Tom, A post for you on the other thread reposted here. --------------------------------- Tom said: They can trigger the response even if the transponder is on passive (i.e. if it needs a "wake-up call" to respond). Let me be clearer. If the transponder *only* responds to an interrogator wh...

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PC, The T90 is a heck of a lot better than a T72.Check the archives for the "armor tech thread" for armor specs.Giun is improved.Better FCS,long range ATGM's,and the Shtora 1 jammer.Also,the T72's in ODS were hardly the soviet best.At the time that would have been the T80.Not that it was a...

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Vinod,Harry.. Yes the ARmy should have accepted an Arjun which wasnt exactly an Abrams.This would have "firmed" the project,cut out speculation and cleared the way for a phased improvemnt of specs. However,from the Army point of view,they didnt want to get saddled with a "political&qu...

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They have independent mindset and design philosophy.They dont try to make a tank to western specifiactions..

And what EXACTLY are western specifications?

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Simbly tooo bhored with puki tanks saaar.Please to excuse.

Regards,
Nitin

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Umrao, I do respect your opinion for you have seen a lot of the formative processes involved with our defence capabilities. But i must stress things have changed for the better and are continuing to do so as we speak. Efforts are underway. People do realise that the pvt sector needs to join in.Heck,...

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originally posted by Acharya: It is called a manufactured anamoly carried out for the last 30 years against India. Controversy is used to create doubt and then call all the indigenous devices crude and not at all upto the western std. Whats worse is the number of Indians involved in perpetuating th...

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Umrao, Its more a case of bribes per se by gents at Mod and elsewhere than just productivity which decide imports.Sometimes its exigency.T90 vs Arjun. If orders are placed in advance fine.Ofb can do what it takes.Otherwise penny pinching in peacetime leads to rush during wartime and christmas for ag...

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BR has been a second home to me for the past few years.I have learnt so much here.
Thank you Rakesh for keeping this "dream" running along with your fellow admins.
Wish you all the luck and success in your future endeavours.

Regards,
Nitin

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Originally posted by P Chupunkar: Well what is the final answer in term's of Arjun. 1) its being deployed or 2) Its not being deployed and 1) Its a dud 2) Its a dud but some useful tech has been developed and can be used for eg. in tank ex 3) Its a not a dud and will be operational pretty soon. 4) ...

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Kamdev, Cool down bhai.Raj's just pointing obliquely to import lobby,not you. Raj;I am aware of both Gole and CAG reports and they have been discussed in detail on BRF. Though Nitin will do well to make a standard format for his replies on Arjun so that he does not have to retype them everytime :rot...

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Fine.Thanks for the clarification.Pls Delete and edit your posts wrt this issue,i'll do likewise and we can continue with the Arjun and keep this thread focused.

Regards,
Nitin

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Hi, The BR page needs to be updated.Rakesh has informed the same.Will send him some revised stuff soon. Anyway, As per BR webpages the FCS is the Bharat Electronics AL-4421 Mk.1B Digital FCS. Thats on the Vij's.Was probably intended for the Chetak too but then the Army GSQR's specified full fire on ...

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Kamdev, Let me attempt to clarify.Apologies for minor thread diversion but i feel this is necessary to avoid more misunderstandings or the like. See you posted stuff like: Raj Malhotra,unless you have seen this interveiw, you are groping in the dark. HERE IS MORE MENTHOL:) The first indicates a &quo...

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120 Millimetre MBT Arjun Armament System

http://www.drdo.com/pub/techfocus/feb02/arjun.htm

Regards,
Nitin

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> The DRDO conducted the first technical trials in 1988. Five years later six tanks, the first prototypes, were handed over to 43 Cavalry for troop trials at the Mahajan range in Rajasthan. It was reported that towards the end of 1991 the then army chief, General S.F. Rodrigues was concerned about ...

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Originally posted by kamdev: The Gole interview is from The week published three years ago. yes it is five years old. But the project manager's input/sugestions CAN NOT BE SIDELINED One piece of advice.Never ever depend on a single source.That too dated.BTW,another thing. Goles comments are thrown ...

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Raj has a way with words!Beautifully put.Archival please.This is FAQ addressal at its best. Arjun was not supposed to match T-90 only a contemporary T-72 but even if we consider T-90, then Arjun can fire twice as fast as T-90. The weight of T-90 has also grown to 50 (46?) tons. More info as an addit...

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Originally posted by subhendu: Bottom line questions: 1) Has the Arjun been approved by the Army? 2) How many will be produced? 3) What is the timetable for induction? Does anyone have pics of the inside of the Arjun? 1.Yes.But a wartsila engine may lead to a new gamut of trials. 2.124 is the Limit...

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Originally posted by Saurabh Lele: Hi Raj, Like every true Indian I also understand your feelings. But unfortunately the answer about MBT ARJUN is "NOT TO BE" :( Regards Saurabh Lele Dont give up hope yet.Its on.And Karan may pick up the slack if cost cutting stops the Arjun. Advitya, Agr...

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Hi Raj, More on Chetak to Arjun transition later. Parts given in bold as this a long post. Re FCS FCS problems were in part as for a LONG time-many years -the OEM -original eqpt manufacturer couldnt provide service support coz of "political problems" and later US sanctions embargoed certai...

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Originally posted by Ashutosh S. Rajekar: ]http://www.denel.co.za/liw/weapons/T6.htm [/URL] LIW says they have successfully put the huge turret and 52cal gun on a T-72 chassis. This was something that Vickers failed to in mid-90s during IA trials. Might open up a cost-reduction option to convert ol...

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Rudra,
TACDE links:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Info/TACDE.html
http://users.senet.com.au/~wingman/tacde.html
TACDE fleet strength:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Info/Fleet.html

Regards!

JCage

Originally posted by Vikram Vyas: What you say is true, but it is also irrelevant. Vietnamese general to American general, when told that Americans had won all engagements in the war. Sir, now you are going tactical. Mush to Home Minister Advani, Agra 2001. I thought of some more refinements to wha...

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Vikram, We *may* be onto something. This link has a rant by Maj Gen(rtd)Ashok K Mehta posted by a paki-Syed(at the end).We all know of the sniping which goes on b/w the Army and the AF.Fortunately serving officers dont have this luxury and appreciate the exigency of getting their act together.Many f...

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Pls also note IAF ew.Not just AAD,SEAD but to jam comms.Which can be directed against land opfor.This seems to be implied.Later on a ref to Shipping is there.Also see how MANPAD'S threat has been addressed. Re Ramanas point about nav systems,data suggest that entire IAF fleet is getting makeover in ...

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Ramana, Beautiful writeup.Here are details on Poorna Vijay and Vijay Chakra(excerpted from Nakul Shah's site) to give further addition and to see some contextual development. I am posting in full as excerpted portions lose out on context and i wasnt able to bookmark the relevant links.The IAF relate...

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Ramana, Thanks!Same thought comes to mind. VVyas, I am firmly in your "camp" now. :) What can make the 50% degradation thing moot is whether the IAF remains committed *only* or partially to the ALB thing.If they want to do more--- DPS on a wide ranging scale without being restricted to the...

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No disagreeemnent re the ADGES part - my choice of a radar example was not entirely coincidental. The thing is that with army, events move at 30 miles /day. With AF, they move at mach speed. This truism has not gone unappreciated by IAF brass. If you recall, Tippy took his time in initiating air st...

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If IAF mounts an extremely successful raid and takes out 50% of Pak's radar coverage, how do you think Mush will react? Simple - he will push the button. Can we be sure of the above?In any war with Pakistan ,the IAF will go for the PAF ADGES with a vengeance.More and more IAF a/c are acquiring PGM ...

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Johann,
Data collection in progress.Will post when i get a bit more.

Regards,
Nitin

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by the way i met those guys on train. you almost always meet someone from the armed forces in trains, and i cant help talking to these guys

You can say that again.Journeys on Bharatiya Railways are always interesting.

Regards,
Nitin

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