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by ShyamSP
13 Dec 2009 04:50
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

Note: the usage was TN elites - NOT politicians I don't want to prolong, but I thought TN elites should easily be understood in the context of this thread/discussion - TN business/politics nexus MK, Maran, Chidambaram, etc. should fall under that term. You don't have to pretend that you misinterpre...
by ShyamSP
13 Dec 2009 04:00
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

I understand that the street probably believes that - but to bring it on forum and avoid a flare up there should be proof . It first came up on forum before news links came up. If people take extra time they can get enough info on tug-of-war between Telugu and Tamil politicians for Central funds/pr...
by ShyamSP
13 Dec 2009 03:25
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

Folks, It is pretty clear that carving out a seperate telangana might not be as advantageous either to the people of AP nor to India at large.It is purely done for political considerations. Lets not pick on individuals and communities and instead try to think why now ? There are reports that KCR ha...
by ShyamSP
13 Dec 2009 03:12
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

And Jonna Roti and Ragi are also Karnataka specialties! And good for diabetics. If KCR had been true to eating them (instead of slurping omlettes) he wouldnt have those sugar deliriums. Check the F& W thread. Thats why BR is a full spectrum Forum. Why to go that far. Jonna is eaten even in paln...
by ShyamSP
13 Dec 2009 01:35
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

It was obvious that the high command was caught unawares by the intensity of the opposition to the stand on Telangana in the other two regions. According to the sources, Pranab Mukherjee wondered aloud before the MPs how they can oppose the decision on Telangana having repeated so many times in the...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 23:00
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

[quote="SwamyG"If a person is born in a place and lives there for the first 20 years; then we can not say he is from elsewhere. His/her ancestors might be from a different place./quote] That is silly. His birth was before there is Nellore district and Tamilnadu. If Chennai were to be in A...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 21:32
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

I am finding it hard to find it on net, but did INC and TDP promise Telangana in their election manifesto ? If yes, then all this Rona-dhone by political class is crocodile tears only. Throw all those election manifestos when it is survivability at stake. Who cares what was there when there is muti...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 21:03
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

If a person is born in a place and lives there for the first 20 years; then we can not say he is from elsewhere. His/her ancestors might be from a different place. That is silly. His birth was before there is Nellore district and Tamilnadu. If Chennai were to be in AP, who knows it could have been ...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 20:21
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

PC giving announcement without informing any Congress leaders in State apparently. Is this credible? Aren't the AP CongI netas just claiming innocence? I mean, given the election promises and the high-frequency side-switching, I can't see any reason to believe any of these guys. Yes. CM Rosaiah him...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 19:34
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

I am just plain confused, that is all Dont be. This is just "manufactured outrage" particularly by the politco/business (they are usually one and same these days) from Rayalseema and Coastal who poured their kaala dhan in Hyderabad real estate in massive billions. Probably 1000 times the ...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 19:13
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

People need to stop taking forum elites seriously and stop raising them on a pedestal Eventually one by one they all overextend themselves. Right now some protesters are thinking Tamil politicians are conspiring against AP so they are going to the extent to stop water to Tamilnadu *. Let's not blam...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 18:51
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

Stan, what you left out was that the "grand father" of the DK/DMK, the old Justice Party was basically made of a large percentage of Telegus, Malayalis and Kannadigas.. Check out the leading lights.. Raja of Panagal, Sir Thyagaraya ..(all Telugu), Shenoy (Mallu), EV Ramaswamy aka Periyar ...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 13:25
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

^^^ I disagree with that map. Madras is Telugu and it's name Chennapatnam is actually Telugu name and being fashionably called as Chennai now. Berhampur city/district is Telugu too and PVNR won hands down there. Do not know about other areas, but as far as Berhampur is concerned, it's still a Odiya...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 13:05
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

Coastal and Rayalseema areas are shutdown for second day.

Protests intensity increased. Violence is notched up. Ministers started resigning. Hunger strikes everywhere.

Looks like AP government collapsed and is going for President rule and elections.
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 11:38
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

Thanks to "Sambar SOB" * Chidambaram comments, protesters are closing water gates for water going to Tamilnadu.

* Those are Protesters' words not mine. Translation to English is mine
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 11:25
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

Muppalla wrote:There seems to be anger against PC in Rayalseema?
They closed water gates for water going to Tamilnadu to show anger against PC comments.
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 10:41
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

Looks like Khammam is out of Telengana. For now, Telengana = Whole Telengana - Greater Hyderabad - Khammam ‘Jai Khammam’ banners draw attention http://www.hindu.com/2009/12/12/stories/2009121260470700.htm Special Correspondent KHAMMAM: It is ‘Jai Khammam’ here. Banners and flex posters bearing Jai K...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 07:39
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

You may not read that Telengana people, not poltical elites, were enthusiastic to join other Telugus. That sense of Telugus was slowly brain-washed away from Telengana people. Telengana political elites that were Dhimmified felt victimized under Nizams were left clueless as to who to blame once Niz...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 02:34
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

Please stop peddling this BS about Telengana people. I have had enough of this dhimmified, acting victimized, being lazy, don’t want to study lies and BS. They are as dhimmified and as lazy as rest of telugu people. They strive to educate their as hard as other people. Please read from political an...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 02:15
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

Telengana political elites that were Dhimmified felt victimized under Nizams were left clueless as to who to blame once Nizams were gone. They then found or brainwashed to find, non-Telengana Telugus as source of their victimization. This became political exploitation point. Congress prodded and ex...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 01:28
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

[quote="Muppalla"A unified progressive Telugu land (there was no linguistic or divisive bs from here) is percieved as a threat from many quarters in the Indian core and hence the fast forward decision here./quote] Mupallaji it would be really interesting and enlightening to know as to who...
by ShyamSP
12 Dec 2009 00:38
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Redrawing State Boundaries

There are so many alarmists here. The BBC was reporting it, almost as a sepratist movement. TSP will certainly be getting their hopes higher. It is nothing of the sort. P eople are simply fed up with the distance to power . They feel they are so far away from the politicians that they have no say ....
by ShyamSP
11 Dec 2009 23:03
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Balkanisation of India?

When India decided on States based on languages, Bangalore and Trivandrum came under Tamilnadu. Since Karnataka and Kerala was left with no big cities, Tamilnadu had to give up Bangalore to Karnataka and Trivandrum to Kerala and to compensate Tamilnadu, A good portion of South Andhra was given to T...
by ShyamSP
11 Dec 2009 22:53
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Balkanisation of India?

Division of AP, IMVHO, was swiftly agreed to prevent the rise of Jagan (YS's son). Both YS and CB Naidu belong to rayalaseema region and so cannot establish a power centre in a future Andhra state or a Telangana state . Without these two gentlemen, congress can buy, blackmail, cajole or coerce what...
by ShyamSP
11 Dec 2009 22:42
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: Balkanisation of India?

US with less than one third of our population has 50 states and we are doing so much breast beating at mere 29 :(( US is three times the size of India! Why does even the home minister give a reference to this ? Is US the gold standard when to comes to all administrative matters? In any case the sta...
by ShyamSP
11 Dec 2009 13:28
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

http://www.eenadu.net/breakphoto.jpg 130 resigned and counting.... 142 if you include all non-Telengana TDP MLAs.... More if you add commies and MIM Congress technically lost majority in AP. All thanks to foolish Sonia and her sycophants, idiotic Chidambaram for his comments, lameduck Rosaiah, they...
by ShyamSP
11 Dec 2009 12:03
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

while my experience on this matter is extremely limited, my parents do hail from the now proposed to be seperated region (Telangana). they were having a pretty long debate several weeks ago when i visited and were discussing some of the happenings w.r.t. the local politicians there and stuff. essen...
by ShyamSP
11 Dec 2009 07:48
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

They will have to impose President's rule for a short while. Yes Congress is below majority if speaker considers resignations. As for what's happening: - Entire coastal AP and Rayalaseema is completely shutdown. - They shutdown all the dances of TRS and Congress in one day by doing democratic prote...
by ShyamSP
11 Dec 2009 03:56
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

Is Jagan behind MLA resignations drama? ... Andhra Pradesh IT minister K Venkat Reddy set the cat among pigeons when he said that some ministers were encouraging the resignations. "We don't know what their motive is but it is unfortunate," he said. Legislators from Rayalaseema began the r...
by ShyamSP
11 Dec 2009 01:19
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

To get clearer picture of the news as it develops, I think we should tabulate the pros and cons and who wins or loses for three options? - Keep Andhra Pradesh united - Separate Telangana with Hyderabad - Separate Telangana without Hyderabad I am not even considering the nightmare of Rayalaseema sta...
by ShyamSP
11 Dec 2009 01:02
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

Well some more fuel for fire. Time for Greater Hyderabad movement http://teluguflavours.com/politics/viewnews.php?id=396&cat=politicsnews&n=Time%20for%20Greater%20Hyderabad%20movement The Congress MLAs of Hyderabad have been maintaining silence from morning, though their colleagues from Andh...
by ShyamSP
10 Dec 2009 22:39
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

... Try to ponder the following possibilities: 1) what if AP government falls? 2) What if kamma leaders consolidate from INC to TDP in the coastal region? 3) What if PRP MLAs join TDP enmasse? CBN is playing dual role. Frontend he is making lip service to Telangana and stoking action from his party...
by ShyamSP
10 Dec 2009 14:07
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

The MLAS and MPS who resign want to continue the status quo of Andhra pradesh or wish to maintain the coastal Andhra people's wishes. It is simple - To keep control of Telangana region under them so that they will have many servants from this region in their houses and maintain poverty in this regi...
by ShyamSP
10 Dec 2009 13:34
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Future strategic scenario for the Indian Subcontinent
Replies: 2861
Views: 450108

Re: Future strategic scenario for the Indian Subcontinent

ShyamSP wrote:Great day for AP if all elected people resigned for united AP.

About 50 MLAs are resigning. More to go.

All elected people (MLAs, MLCs, MPs, Municiple Corporators) in Krishna and Guntur districts are resigning.

90 MLAs resigned (39 Congress 38 TDP 13 PRP) :lol:
by ShyamSP
10 Dec 2009 13:09
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

-xpost-
ShyamSP wrote:Great day for AP if all elected people resigned for united AP.

About 50 MLAs are resigning. More to go.

All elected people (MLAs, MLCs, MPs, Municiple Corporators) in Krishna and Guntur districts are resigning.
by ShyamSP
10 Dec 2009 13:04
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Future strategic scenario for the Indian Subcontinent
Replies: 2861
Views: 450108

Re: Future strategic scenario for the Indian Subcontinent

Great day for AP if all elected people resigned for united AP.

About 50 MLAs are resigning. More to go.

All elected people (MLAs, MLCs, MPs, Municiple Corporators) in Krishna and Guntur districts are resigning.
by ShyamSP
10 Dec 2009 11:06
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

Good news. Rayalaseema MLAs say NO to Telangana and are ready to mass-resign. Go Rayalaseema!!! Coastal politicians yet to come out and say they will obstruct resolution and resign too. Added later: Vijayawada MP Lagadapati Rajagopal resigned http://teluguflavours.com/politics/viewnews.php?id=377&am...
by ShyamSP
10 Dec 2009 10:33
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

Bellary is a part of Rayalaseema. Telengana is modern identity to signify Telugu speaking area of Hyderabad state. Rayalaseema was also with Nizam until it was given to the British so that region is also modern identity. If idea is to split states what would Karnataka/Kannadigas/BJP do to prevent s...
by ShyamSP
10 Dec 2009 10:01
Forum: Strategy, Politics & International Relations Forum
Topic: Telangana Monitor
Replies: 5661
Views: 800452

Re: States News and Discussions

Assuming they split state, YSR Sthana-Balam (strength of place) is in Greater Rayalaseema (Rayalaseema+Nellore+Prakasam(AP)+Bellary(Karnataka)). There is no way that Bellary will become part of Telangana . While the Telangana movement may spark a similar demand for making North Karnataka a separate...