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heech

I wonder if most Chinese know there is a fully functioning Tibetan government in exile in India? I won' t be surprised if the wisemen of the CCP have neglected to mention this factoid. I wonder if that would help elevate India in the desperately sought Chinese esteem. I have a hard time accepting t...

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heech , You are quite right that there is no historical precedent as that of India and China, two huge imperial civilizations that had so little conflict (compared to Persia and Greece/Rome for example). However, its not like there wasn't any competition at all: People miss a point here. Historical...

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heech: How does China compartmentalize its loathing of past treatment during the Japanese rule era while trading extensively with them ? As a case in point, Pakistan has had a long internal political kabuki play going on about widening trade ties with India - the hardliners insist on closing out th...

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I am not an expert here, but I think you miss/ignore that Indians fought hard against the barbarians who invaded India from the western borders and then southern borders. Otherwise you would see the same effect immediately on your western and southern borders. To miss/ignore it would be at China's ...

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On a different note, I wanted to get your sense about something which is of critical importance. There is a school of thought that China will try to "cut India to size" or "teach India a lesson" within the next few years. Part of the reason is supposed to be due to internal comp...

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heech: Was Hu Jintao (and uncle Wen) also groomed for succession after Jiang Zemin/Zhu Rongji by Deng himself ? Source please ? Hu Jintao was named to the standing committee of the CPC Politburo in 1992, the first (and only) member of his "generation" to be assigned to the top. The standi...

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Disaffection with corruption amongst the rich and powerful is not unique to China at this point of time. So while there will be some push and pull, aren't you exaggerating the "instability" aspect? I might be exaggerating the aspect. Very few people in all of China know exactly what's hap...

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Heech, I don't follow why this is such big news...on the face of it, it just seems to be a popular police officer who fell afoul of CPC bigwigs and is defecting. Are you implying this might be a catalyst for more dissent? The inside information that he can share with the West is probably very local...

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And by the way, just so you guys are up to date to the most recent news... http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-02-08/china-police-chief-us/53008264/1 This the real deal. This is a *huge* story, with *huge* implications for China's political landscape for years, maybe even decades, to come....

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Thanks for pointing that out. What (and Why) Xinhua was pushing in a span of 30 minutes ? (and let's not pretend Xinhua is holding some high bar in journalism) Point is, what makes you think that narrative of Chinese history (and even of the Cultural Revolution) has not been sanitized by the Chines...

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Heech ji Do you trust this narrative reposted by Xinhua or not? Do I trust that Pakistani TV first reported Osama Bin-Ladin was killed by Pakistani forces? Yes, yes I do. Do I believe that OBL was actually killed by Pakistani forces? Of course not, because Xinhua brain-washed me with this article (...

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It would be nice if you could go into more detail about how different dynasties which ruled China were similar and different, and how the basic notion of the Chinese state has stayed pretty much the same over time. I understand that your focus is not on the current physical boundaries of PRC, and I...

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Heech ji Putting below from last year 'rewritten' by Xinhua as an example. Please clarify what happened here? Do you believe 'this' was not in the narration of Chinese history by PRC? I really have no idea what this means, or what you're asking me. It sounds to me like Xinhua reposted an article b...

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As I mentioned previously, I don't really see 'political unity' in Chinese history as such. What I do see is periods of political development that had coercively enforced compliance, separated by bouts of traumatic upheaval. Having seen what it entailed during the Cultural Revolution, it's impossib...

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Suraj, I don't know that we really disagree at all on the main points, despite your voracious efforts in insisting that I'm wrong. Where you see lack of unity is in fact merely confusion over unitary vs federal structure; significant parts of Indian territory have a substantial history of strong non...

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Mauryas, Gupta (with some exception), Mughals, British, and current Indian Republic. In each case, a strong central authority worked/works in concert with smaller authorities. I'm only going off of Wikipedia here... but it looks like the Mauryas lasted 140 years, and the Gupta empire lasted about 3...

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Even now most of the central leadership of China comes from the Wuxi province near Beijing. Other regions dont have a claim on the leadership at all. It shows the evolution of the nation. This is really a bizarre claim on every level. Not only does it have absolutely nothing to do with my point, it...

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In other words, for the past 2200 years... we're looking at about 350 years of fragmentation. You can probably easily add in another 100-200 years in there as rounding error.. but you get the idea. As I said, 1500+ years of unified central government over the past 2200 years. Since you chose to cha...

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When you speak for 2000 years of Chinese united rule you're effectively appropriating those limited states as applying to all of historical Chinese territory and population. A significant part of that history was not even a single dynasty calling the shots - you have such elegantly named phases as ...

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I'm just stating that "India" doesn't have a tradition (for the lack of a better word) of a single, united central government. A more accurate statement would be that China has a history of a unitary , as opposed to united, central government, while India has historically had a federal on...

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I'd really like to leave the political/legal question about the border out of the discussion for the moment. It's distracting, and has nothing to do with my original point: that the plains area of what we today call China has a long, established tradition of united central governments, with one dyna...

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Indian govt always had a distributed govt and local govt for many centuries. The population and history of India ties to each area and region in the country. Having a single instituion is not a requirement for a single country such as India. It sounds to me like we're in agreement. I don't think th...

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heech, the only time a pre-modern administration unified china to anything close to its modern geography was the yuan mongol empire under kublai khan. correct me if I am wrong but weren't han chinese relegated to a 2nd class citizen status in that era ? I'm just responding to Rahul's post out of co...

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Poverty is higher in India and development indicators are more favorable in China, but then we have almost the same level of cell phone penetration and cell phones aren't exactly free. Isn't cell phone penetration in China and India already in the 90% range? You can't really get much higher from th...

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Wrdos is right about a lot of things, and VikramS is also right about a lot of things. Theo, on the other hand... I don't think he's right about anything. Wrdos is most right when he says: let's wait and see. No one knows with certainty how HSR (or any investment for that matter) will work out. Ther...

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O Learned One, if that is true, why are you wasting your time on this forum and gracing us with your august, well travelled, Shenzen-returned presence? Why not let us third worlders wallow in our own ignorance. Perhaps your time is best utilized in the US? Ah, and this is very typical for one of th...

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For instance gentle heech, I know you don't post from Panda land. This entire website is banned in Panda land. Bet you did not know that. So where from comes this personal enlightenment. One wonders. All your info on Panda comes from google chacha, just like us. So cut the crap. Just about everyone...

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Heech, you know, I can see some parallels in Chinese HSR and Indian Airline industry. massive investment on hopes of future traffic. Traffic comes but at hugely discounted rates and hence difficulty in making operative cost (profits are long way off). Only difference is, in India's case it's the pv...

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I don't think heech has any perspective on what is going on in Panda fantasy land. He seems to think think he lives in a undeveloped version of USA, and one can only laugh. Such sweetly foolish naivete. I look forward to learning the truth about China from your informed, enlightened wisdom... formu...

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Vikram, On the HSR issue... I think you're certainly right there is the issue of how resources should be allocated. Any responsible development plan has to balance the needs of various interest groups. Many Chinese debate this issue as well, so you aren't alone in questioning it. I, for one, firmly ...

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heech: There the contrast between the policies of India and China becomes more clear. China went for the HSR even though it may not benefit the most but because it is an image issue. It would be foolish to underestimate why image matters. Your reference to the very visible urban poverty in India is...

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But the question that lingers in my mind and for which I have no answer or no one has explained to me yet, even though I have asked this to many chinese, how is all this financed. We in India worry about the wrong things comparing infrastructure and inefficiencies. What we have to look at the finan...

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First of all, VikramS, very good post on your part. You're asking many of the same questions that the Chinese themselves are asking. But let me get the part I disagree with out of the way... heech: Regarding railways: while building a parallel freight corridor is a very desirable goal, whether the p...

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I think there's some fundamental misunderstanding here, as to the role of fixed infrastructure investment in China's GDP growth. Definitely, in the immediate aftermath of the 2008 crisis, there was some accelerated construction of projects that was "wasted" in the name of maintaining GDP g...

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I agree .. Completely .. But i do note this is a non sequitor. Do you then suggest no attempt should be made to discuss or debate policy since a perfect one aint possible ? :roll: No, not at all. I think policy discussions are always "fun", and I engage in them all the time. There are a m...

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snip let me try to rephrase.. are you happy with what you have put in (exploited labor, tax payer money, lack of freedom etc) and what you got (GDP, infrastructure etc)? "Happy with"? Well, it certainly isn't ideal. I'd prefer if everyone in China could just come in to their cubicle (in c...

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Serious question here for Chinese posters.. Do you feel that this is the only way to prosperity for China? export driven strategy on the backs of exploited young and poor while the money is spent on glitz and show (not talking about really useful infrastructure part...but the ones like HSR, three g...

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And what about the long-discussed need to diversify China's foreign reserves, the great majority of which is currently denominated in dollars?

By buying Euro-denominated bonds (while selling dollars - or just buying fewer USTs), China will achieve exactly that.

heech

joygoswami wrote:Train to China !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntOxTlbM ... re=related

Uhm, that's in Japan.

heech

Very possible we'll be seeing footage on tonight's CCTV news broadcast (7 PM Beijing time)!

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