Bharat Rakshak

Alok_N

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. well, clearly that is an u...

Alok_N

BTW, where are you getting the 99% from? sorry, I should make it 99.99% as an upper limit ... Let's say there are 10,000 items in the bible ... if none of them say anything about eating beef is important to being a christian, my limit would be correct, assuming a "one item error" as an ir...

Alok_N

It only takes one case to the contrary to disprove a negative. This is not about statistics. it is about law, not logic ... if I had my way I could tear apart the US constitution based on logic ... the law in India about cows is catering to the majority sentiment without causing any great harm to t...

Alok_N

Alok ji, I am not sure if you misunderstood me but want to suggest something...just my 2 cents if at all you care. There is no point defending Hinduism (cow worship for example) as it is practised in India. You may not be actually defending it but got into related arguments with TSJ. Such arguments...

Alok_N

unavailability of beef has nothing to do with being a practicing christian It apparently has everything to do with the "tolerance" of the land he lives in, doesn't it? actually it does ... the state has examined the religion and accepted the reasonable components of it and protected them ...

Alok_N

Would your point of view change, if there were a religion that said that beef eating was *necessary*? yes, in that case there would be two changes in my POV: 1. my definitions for stupidity will admit a new low. 2. I would argue that that religion should be banned under Indian Law. [point #2 is sim...

Alok_N

Shankk, thanks for the insight and visual surveillance of TSJ ... however, it is a debate and not a fight ... why don't you join in? I would like to bring to attention, recent attempts by Islamists to redefine their role in the workplace ... taxi drivers refusing to carry passengers who have booze o...

Alok_N

you are a minority in India ... get used to it ... period. Ah, so much for "tolerance." there is tolerance for your spiritual needs ... if you choose to say that "I can't love Jesus unless I get to eat beef", you are the one confining yourself ... that sort of argument will only...

Alok_N

If you love your wife do you lie face down on the floor in front of her, chanting? If you do, I would like to see that. Hell, I'd pay 10 bucks for the video. if you love your dog, would you send it $100 flowers on Valentine's day? ... heck, don't bother making a video, it'd make me throw up ... sto...

Alok_N

Dharma does not define all Indians. It does not define me, nor do I need anyone' permission to define myself as an Indian. american "culture" also does not define every american either ... I also don't need anyone's permission to define myself as an american ... ok, so far? you are a mino...

Alok_N

how do you define "worship"? Lying down in the street prostrating themselves face down in front of a newborn calf. The whole family, man, woman, children. Saw it on a National Geographic special about the cow and its importance to man. how do you define this: spending $10K to save a dog w...

Alok_N

Therefore, using the actions or thoughts of one to undermine the other is somewhat of a non sequitur, wouldn't you agree? no, I disagree violently ... look at TSJ ... folks like you and him use the convenience of defining "religion" versus "culture" at the drop of a hat ... so, ...

Alok_N

I have seen people in videos worhiping cows in India. I have seen videos of folks taking their dogs and cats for massage and counselling sessions in the US ... how do you define "worship"? :) We have a whole host of cultural laws concerning the processing of animals and the consumption th...

Alok_N

More "you farted" positions? Are we going to define how we do things based simply on how some americans do things? If we did, we would have to redefine PI, wouldn't we? So, perhaps we should take the best and leave the rest. Wait, did I define Dharma? unless you invented the concept of &q...

Alok_N

Calvin/TSJ, what would happen if I open a corner stand selling cat and dog burgers in the US of A? ... surely, I would be welcomed by a TOLERANT SOCIETY THAT APPRECIATES FOOD GROUP ARGUMENTS ... heck, I may get a medal for opening a new sector of the economy, no? :) at the same time, would you see s...

Alok_N

I can add to this beef with beef ... it is a huge issue among the Mizo ... I have had to suffer endless arguments of the kind that "the BJP wants to take away our right to eat beef" ... here is the reality ... THERE IS NO BEEF IN MIZORAM ... they have driven their beef species, the Mithun ...

Alok_N

then we are not so different after all ... :) yes, this Vedanta business is a family pecularity ... we have our geneology known to 10 generations ... all were supposedly Vedic scholars ... many in my generation of cousins do not know Sanskrit ... in my father's generation, most of them did ... howev...

Alok_N

There is no disagreement here. "Religious values" are probably a subset of these "traditional values" which are themselves a sub-set of literature, language, local (territorial) experiences, and so on. that may be so in your family ... what I was hoping to extract was a sense of...

Alok_N

if some folks will indulge me, please take a shot at the answer above ... for me and my grandfather, immediate agreement would be Vedanta ... for example, here are some other items (let's rewind to 1970's) Me: Shayari Baba: No Baba: Poojas Me: No Me: Kathak Baba: ok Baba: Freedom movement Me: ok Me:...

Alok_N

Once upon a time, Alok-ji had asked some "atheist" jingoists in another venue as to what they are so "proud" of as Indian, that are STILL relevant in THIS day and age ? Not many could answer. That doesn't mean that there is no answer. You have yourself pointed to the literature,...

Alok_N

Shiv wrote:The thought process, the reasoning, the arguments and counter arguments need to be preserved ...

same reason we archive threads ...

Alok_N

moreover, those axioms of science exist not because there is any "faith" in them ... it is because no one has yet been able to prove them wrong ... and people trying 24/7 to bust them ... this is exactly opposite of rooted in faith as you have posted ... science is in the business of tryin...

Alok_N

Alok, Thats just fine. I just wanted to make sure where you stood regarding "scientific" nature of advaita. all this angst just for "making sure"? ... the tone of your post with "noble silence" etc would have suggested that you had some major objection from which I was...

Alok_N

I had earlier asked Alok_N to provide HIS scientific axioms of advaita, but noble silence reins... nothing noble about silence ... I had simply decided that your tone was not worth it ... I'll give it a second shot ... I have no personal axioms ... the axioms of science, in its present form, are as...

Alok_N

adding further thoughts to this ... If you feel that Hindu minds are colonized and that the culture is under threat you have no business simply waiting with faith and hope until you have done all that you physically can to make sure that what is under threat is no longer under threat and what is col...

Alok_N

Oh yer just jealous cuz you couldn't sell the idea of absolute zero to a crowd of tribals with malaria. :lol: oh, the idea was selling well, until one "tribal dude" asked, "please show us an example of absolute zero" ... I had to apologize thusly, "TSJ is busy and can't be ...

Alok_N

I seriously regret posting something about person A, B, C ... they were not meant to be "groups of society", just an allegorical example to make a point ...

Alok_N

If it is in your power to act, you must act first, not remain silent, with faith and hope. Now you guys see why the medical practice is called the "healing art". And I mean that in the good way, not the bad. I assume that the "good way" is that "Jesus will save yer ass"...

Alok_N

If you feel that Hindu minds are colonized and that the culture is under threat you have no business simply waiting with faith and hope until you have done all that you physically can to make sure that what is under threat is no longer under threat and what is colonized is uncolonized. Can you or A...

Alok_N

Alok_N: Because if someone has not tasted sweetness no amount of bookish explanation about sweetness can give same understanding as eating one teaspoon of sugar. do you have any distinctions between "contemplation" and "bookish knowledge" at all? ... I gather that you consider t...

Alok_N

Is that a belief or something you know for a fact ? Are you claiming otherwise? Why are you quoting texts if you have real experience? sivab, if you don't mind, allow me to characterize your beef ... you are bent upon this business of "real experience" ... why? ... is that a crutch that a...

Alok_N

further thoughts on that issue ... IMO, in early times, the structure of scoiety was such that the contemplaters were left alone and were secure ... they had no reason to "defend" anything ... the remainder of society functioned normally and the sanyasis functioned in their "bubbles&q...

Alok_N

Valkan boss, at this hour? ... is everything alright? ... Is SHQ away? ... :) btw, don't mind if I use you as an example of the point I made to Shiv ... earlier, I had noted that you were too humble and didn't wish to write a book ... these are signs of a "silent entity" ... it took some p...

Alok_N

But there is a large silent mass which keeps the traditions and is not given a voice. If you search you will find it. Acharya - the "silent mass" is an assumption. I have searched and found zilch/nada/shunya evidence of this. Shiv, if I may add something to this ... the problem is as foll...

Alok_N

I know a normal person with wife and two kids, who retired from IAF, but very sincere in his pursuit on contemplation with extraordinary power which I happen to experience. He is not from high caste by birth (but he is true brahmin now) nor is he highly educated. This may probably make no sense to ...

Alok_N

Pulikeshi wrote:
Alok_N wrote: Where did the phrase "elite" come from?

Duh! English! They exist in even poverty stricken developing country like India you know. [Major sarcasm alert to the untrained ]

alert noted and the remainder ignored ... be well

Alok_N

Upon request, I can construct such one paragraph summaries for every religion, including yours ... And of course you don't mind doing the same about evangelists? no, of course not ... go ahead and request it ... :) the most good EJ can do is by doing nothing ... focus on the maximization of "g...

Alok_N

TSJ, here is the thing you don't get ... you can't take a society and find the biggest problem it faces, assign it to its religious beliefs, and start offering to fix it ... if this were the case, here is how I would suggest that schools teach Catholicism (along the lines of how Hindu thought gets a...

Alok_N

Alok_N: All I can say is you misunderstood what I said. I don't know how better to articulate without getting into personal experience, which will make no sense to you. It makes perfect sense to me ... it just doesn't make absolute sense to me ... boss, I am also from India ... and I am fairly conf...

Alok_N

Thus, we need to question if it is Dharmic for the elite (as you said: Person-A or Person-B) to ignore the contract they have with Person-C and Person-D in society. you are still speaking the language of the Colonizer/EJ and/or TSJ ... where did the phrase "elite" come from? are you under...

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