Bharat Rakshak

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.. once again proving the supremacy of Pingreji as the Lingua Pak-a to be used in such discussions.

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Response to that one, shiv, is that its the doctrine that must be changed. The doctrine of NFU, based on a thermonuke retaliation, is IMHO far less credible than even a doctrine of NFU based on widely dispersed genocide by hundreds of small devices. In the case of the US-Soviet pleasantries, the MAD...

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shiv: 3 points from those: 1. P. Iyengar: "he commented, that one cannot make larger megaton devices with such partial-burn type devices. According to Iyengar, India needs to test more hydrogen and neutron bombs with complete burning of the core before it signed the CTBT . " No argument wi...

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quoting ramdas: N^3, I should have phrased it better. Once we have a 40000+MW power program dependent on imported yoo, lobby or no lobby it creates a wonderful handle for "FMCT now or no yoo, no 40000 MW" kind of pressure. This is something the nuclear deal's supporters have not addressed....

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Shauryaji, ramana disses this, which pulverizes my confidence, but... The big change in the new clear detergent business that I project is that these big MT delivery systems (regardless of # of MIRVs in them) are on their way out. They are much easier to defend against than small independent cruise ...

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shiv: Dr. Balachandran's main point seems to be that there's only so much fissile stuff to go around (at present) and so India should develop fusion weapons which give much more bang per kg of fizz. Very good practical calculation, but not good enough to force a decision to do more testing. By the w...

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ramdas, in your scenario, what is the REAL pressure point? It is the internal LOBBY. In other words, you are saying that India should not sign an agreement with the outside world because India is afraid of what the Indian voters (or their elected representatives) will do against the Indian interest....

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between half and three quarters of W47 warheads would fail to detonate See ramana? An entire new clear detergent can be (and WAS) based on fizzle bums. Much cheaper to design the detergent from Step 1 with concrete in lieu of Pu. India's can be far superior to USA's: 99% made of concrete. Note that...

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Thanks Acharaya, my apologies for the mistake. I concatenated the post above ramana's which cited Advani's "No deal if no POKIII" with your "question of whether testing is needed should never be asked again". Goes to show MY bias, as Hamilton Burger would have said. I guess you w...

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Correction: From the news, I note that Shri Advani DID NOT join the "N2TN" crowd- what he said was that he is not opposed to the 123 deal, but wants India to retain the option of testing. But the 123 agreement actually does NOT ban testing by India, it just says that if India goes down tha...

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I don't understand the part where India can get all the fuel needed, just by importing it from Nigeria etc. If this is true, what stops Nigeria from selling to TSP and Al Zuwahiri? Or KSA? Assuming that there is some very good reason why you can't just import from such places, the NSG still controls...

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here has been a lot said about the PENIS thread,

Where, pls?

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ramana: OK, shell game was a silly suggestion, sorry. But if u mean what I understand by "false flag" then I will happily agree that this is exactly what is dangerous about the demand to test. It is "false flag", just a new way of doing what was sought to be done with the Wallace...

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Today the experts and jumping up and down demanding that India "test" b4 shutting off the testing forever. The costs of doing this are very very high. But there is a far greater danger in going down this nuke testing path. It is the missed opportunity to race ahead full throttle and get to...

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Was there a 4-step paki detection system (4SPDS)? Of course, and I am sure you didn't fit the profile. Like I said, 0% false positives. 8) And you thought the P.EN.I.S. threads didn't have solid 400% Paki piskology peehind them? Hah! Last ones detected were Lazarus Rajpootus in his 434th incarnatio...

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ramana, I c 2. BUT... this is the technical argument by the guys who say: "If I am to field this weapon I must have some assurance that it will work"... and "Before we go and build 50 of these bloody expensive things we must have some assurance that it will work as advertised". W...

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I remember being awarded "Pervez Musharraf Medal for Jehadic Glory" in the historical (s)laughter of democracy thread by a XXXXX for violating those golden principles. Thanx. Brings tears to mah I's that anyone should remember how that great and desperate battle was won by thinking up tha...

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To add to the elegance of that thought process, shiv, now I can also say what I was not saying before. Note that a 15kT hit in the middle of a city is a "better" military strategy than a 1MT hit, because the whole place gets paralyzed by the need to care for the dying, survivable wounded, ...

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one of the things I am thinking is to throw away the admin warning thread and hit the ban button without warning.- or with only a little warning. Bismillah! Pls don't do that! :eek: :shock: The warning thread is an outstanding idea, and very successful IMO. No-notice exile is too harsh - ppl need t...

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What distinguishes a troll from a non-troll is his willingness to engage another person's POV with consideration . Thanks, abhishekcc. High praise indeed. That's me all right - ALWAYS willing to ENGAGE another person's POV with consideration. Famous for this generous nature, all over PakDefDumb, Lo...

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I was trolled off the forum by N^3 (then XXXXXXXX) and kgoan, for 4 years. Today, support for Modi is standard on the forum. And for the right reasons. Even N^3 is a Hindu Nationalist, but he is too shy to admit it, hence spends much of his time bashing pakistan in pinglish. AllahoAkbar! Et tu, Abh...

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Interesting. I didn't know about this Sunilblog. Also, any real hard-core LEftists here, pls do go to IndiaForum. 8) That should really be fun to watch, so pls let me know when you do. Re: SRR, My understanding is that there is a standing offer: U write up a coherent piece (700 words? 1500 words? 50...

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Sarcasm switch should probably be in OFF for all mods (enqyoob and singha, i guess that rules you out? Thank u very kindly etc 4 thinking of me, but I had no plans to rule myself IN, unless it was a question of forum survival needing a dictator. 8) This business of being a manager is simply not in ...

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OK, thanx, Shaurya, ramana and of course shiv and everyone else. I am trying to "get" the essence of this "need to test for bigger yield" argument. So far I have failed to understand it, because in my view, deterrence is about convincing the other guy that misadventures will brin...

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Hey, you can't escape that way when all I've asked is to see the evidence. Per the postor above, the 1998 tests were OK, except that we didn't get to 150-200KT with TNs. I am asking why TNs for the Indian border should be 150-200 and not 15-20KT. It's not enough to say "Sab log 150KT hee banthe...

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Bliss to pring pack Mullah Mahendra. Victim of collateral damage.

Rakesh used 200kT and on the wrong person when 5kT would have been appropriate on the right person.

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Wow, a complete nuclear strategy for India. I am sure, the 45KT test was by design as demanded by the users to fit our nuclear strategy? Thanks! Glad to be of help reasoning these things out. 8) May or may not be exactly by design, but can you show evidence that it was NOT the right figure for Indi...

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OK, thanks, but here is my next problem: this seems to be coming into focus nicely. What is so holy about demonstrating 150KT - 200KT, rather than 15KT - 20KT? If I understand correctly, 15KT was the yield of a Hiroshima or Nagasaki bum. Killed some quarter million people and destroyed two industria...

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ramana: The aim to achieve qualitative parity with the PRC's last tests is not a realistic one: Starting 30 years behind, if India comes anywhere close with live tests, the PRC will simply move out ahead. There is no magic there. Acharya: The fact that someone posted it 40 years ago, and that it is ...

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ramana, you are probably quite right in that there may be a set level of tests needed to get assured data on certain processes occurring at certain yield levels. It may be a question of EOS under extreme conditions etc. as Arun said. But I submit that this level was set by Cold War parameters. I am ...

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OK, Acharya, so your thesis is now that 1. India must test, to achieve nuclear parity with the PRC . Not just the assurance of catastrophic retaliation to checkmate any nuclear threat, but PARITY with the Chinese. Match them weapon for weapon. Yield for yield. IOW, a nuclear arms race to catch up wi...

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ramana: The trouble is that there are two (suspected / alleged / hoped-for) items under "What else?" 1. "Superpower status" 2. To get a particular political party elected over another party It's not different in India than it was in other countries during the cold war. I bet the ...

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Acharya, You posted something very interesting. So your take IS that there is no steep cost to India, to doing live tests, say every 10 years? It's important to establish this in the further discussions. So you guys ARE advocating periodic live nuclear tests as Indian policy? It certainly makes for ...

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ramana: with unkil designing nukes for tunnel excavation etc., would it be correct to argue that "NFU" is irrelevant? NFU presumes a scenario where a hot war breaks out, and there is substantial threat to territory (invasion threat). The side that has preponderance in conventional forces i...

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They do throw chairs and bang shoes on the podium in Parliament. In South Korea and Japan they have good fist-fights. The issue here is a ("jingo") demand that India should conduct more live nuclear tests. The technical reasoning has been explained in intricate detail on some issues, but t...

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Just a point of technical observation. "Einhorn" in Pingreji would be "Ekmijjile"?

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Anyone with any other bright ideas?

Blinding flash or merely glowing blue with gamma rays coming out all around?

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Cool! We are back to attributing motives such as "sinister". Reminds me of what someone keeps telling me: Do not attribute to malice, that which is perfectly attributable to stupidity 8) (just a general comment, nothing about any particular view being stupid - except the demand to "te...

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Gerard: ALL nuclear powers omit their tactical weapons from their nuke number counts. Those are the most dangerous things, since they are far more likely to be used, and since the Pakis are more likely to get their hands on those. The speculation is that China and Russia each have on the order of 12...

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For that matter, the US and USSR went about madly building MORE warheads and delivery systems precisely because they "thought" (or convinced Congress and the Communist Party respectively) that anything less was completely "destabilizing" and would invite a sudden and immediate al...

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