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by enqyoobOLD
14 Jun 2008 17:06
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008
Replies: 370
Views: 119596

Re: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008

This is Entrapment! If we say what drives Cohen, we will get the 1CBT! :(( :((

Pls see The Monkey Trap
by enqyoobOLD
14 Jun 2008 16:45
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008
Replies: 370
Views: 119596

Re: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008

ShauryaT pots: I say FMCT, you say "scared", "global trade", F18. Why should I respond? Dear ShauryaT, my post said a lot more than "scary" (not "scared"), and yes, I did point to other aspects where India is going ahead with international agreements that invo...
by enqyoobOLD
14 Jun 2008 16:35
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008
Replies: 370
Views: 119596

Re: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008

As long as India constrains its own actions and stays out of the international community based on what the US Congress decides, and not what international agreements with India decide, the US Congress will keep passing laws that are against India. Even if India acts freely, the US Congress will keep...
by enqyoobOLD
14 Jun 2008 16:13
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

The simple response to both ShauryaT and ChandiPrasadArunS is that we would all be very disappointed if the serving military and military analysts did NOT argue vehemently for the biggest bums and the most number of those, and the most frequent and comprehensive testing. So it is perfectly fine that...
by enqyoobOLD
14 Jun 2008 07:33
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008
Replies: 370
Views: 119596

Re: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008

Signing the FMCT is not a condition of the 123 agreement. Global Disarmament has always been an Indian aim, and FMCT is an obvious step towards that, so they can put in all sorts of things about "cooperation TOWARDS" peace and harmony and goodwill towards all, and it means nothing. For tha...
by enqyoobOLD
14 Jun 2008 01:44
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008
Replies: 370
Views: 119596

Re: Indian Nuclear News & Discussion - May-2008

Need for the deal is to generate power to keep up economic expansion and bring Indians out of the "power cut" Stone Age. Hurry for it was because the deal would fall through and have to be revived otherwise, with a COTUS that is expected to be less nuclear-deal-friendly and more NPT-friend...
by enqyoobOLD
13 Jun 2008 21:00
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

ramana: seriously. I think even those entities that you describe, are split on what I am, which is fine. U'll c references where one more recent entity cites an article kindly, whereas an earlier Report by an NPA cites the same article as "example of nationalistic.." whatever. As it happen...
by enqyoobOLD
13 Jun 2008 17:43
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

OK, a classic statement of doctrine: that to defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Russia and its allies , military forces will be used, including preventively , including with the use of nuclear weapons, Trouble is: Case 1: Chechen sistahs experience vacuum burst inside Moscow Cinema ...
by enqyoobOLD
13 Jun 2008 07:43
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

The real lesson from the Cuban Missile Crisis was that if there is any new clear detergent on either side, he who has conventional superiority and is willing to use it, wins. The Russians had no hope of protecting their shipping in the Caribbean from the US Navy, or of protecting Cuba from massive a...
by enqyoobOLD
13 Jun 2008 06:55
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Gee! Just FYI, it didn't even occur to me that THAT is what all this tummy acid is about. I thought ppl were saying that the CIA, Mossad, ISI, Al Qaida, and Mau Mau were putting me up to it, as one worthy declared in an email to his entire fan club because he was upset at losing a gentle debate in f...
by enqyoobOLD
13 Jun 2008 02:19
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

People seem uber-sensitive on this thread. I have just not understood why. My question is whether published doctrine doesn't hinder freedom of action and thus make responses too predictable. This would be especially true if doctrine drives policy, would it not? Predictable is good when major respons...
by enqyoobOLD
12 Jun 2008 22:24
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

ramana: sorry to toss in the irrelevant question, but.... Given the nature of dictatorial or religious-based regimes, how reliable are these advertised doctrines as predictors of a regime's course of action? For instance, I am sure North Vietnam never threatened the mainland USA, but there were nume...
by enqyoobOLD
12 Jun 2008 07:16
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Satyarthi: "IMHO, neither of these two reasons are good enough. A full yield test could have been conducted. And its costs would have been well worth it." Reason 3: The sensor network for yield estimation on the 6th and biggest demonstrator was damaged along with the houses at the village,...
by enqyoobOLD
12 Jun 2008 02:39
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Gee! Looks like this 2TON2T (2 Test Or Not 2 Test) fun-fest is over. The Brick-Separation Crack Picture nailed it, and the Abdul-Namibia example was just the coup-de-grace, the "Quattal" so 2 spk. IPL is over too, chiyar-leedars all gone home. Looks like it's time to return to the salt min...
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 23:48
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Well.. Prem said it. In the considerations there, the question of whether Namibia's deterrent is fully validated or not, becomes almost moot, despite 5000 tests and 400% accuracy gained at the expense of stringent sanctions. So, more validation of the deterrent (beyond some minimum level needed to s...
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 17:14
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

For that matter, there is another aspect to deterrence. Consider this case: Dictator (I mean, Chief Executive) Abdul wants to take over, say, the Mashkir province of Namibia, because he has heard that the term "nubile" comes from there, and he wants to increase his harem. He has a fool-pro...
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 16:28
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?
Replies: 164
Views: 72703

Re: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?

(Never mind. 1TBD is a powerful motivator of the "never mind" key.) :shock: Then again, this "Ignore" feature is really great. :mrgreen:
This post was made by xxxxxxx who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post if u have a hole in ur head.
:rotfl:
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 07:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: ABM/Missile Defense Discussion
Replies: 1942
Views: 585074

Anti-Satellite Weapons

In memory of the postor who committed Fedayeen / Harakiri demanding that this topic NEVER be discussed on BRF: India wakes up to plan for busting Chinese satellites Pioneer News Service | New Delhi Realising the need to protect its satellites and space assets in the wake of China acquiring the capab...
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 04:59
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

yo ramana, you are being waaaay too kind and optimistic if you think I understand any of that. Anyway, I don't agree that the Indian tests fizzled. OTOH, I find that I have argued myself into a corner. It looks like the yield in the most important tests (May 11) was way OVER the best estimates of th...
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 01:46
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?
Replies: 164
Views: 72703

Re: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?

And that confirms that it wasn't a fluke. Nice to have known you.
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 01:40
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?
Replies: 164
Views: 72703

Re: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?

Articles will be sent to Shiv on Shiv's invitation, not yours. Please do not ask me to submit articles if you "don't run the forum or have any admin status." Your invite carries no significance. I couldn't believe that until I read it a few times, but under the new "One-Click Ban&quo...
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 00:59
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?
Replies: 164
Views: 72703

Re: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?

Then, please do it. Send your first article to shiv, please. Serious. Try to shoot for some identifiable format and length - 1500 words? 2000 words? 5000 words? 700-word OpEd types may be suitable, but if you see what ppl do to OpEds here, you see why it is rather risky and probably depressing. OpEd...
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 00:39
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Its actually quite possible. Take the brick separation gap width, find height above foundation, and you can calculate the settlement depth. Use the radius (distance to tbe bum) and the bum shaft depth to figure the depth of the heating there. Estimate the fraction of the soil/rock that has been vapo...
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 00:31
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?
Replies: 164
Views: 72703

Re: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?

er... There presence is like having a cabaret along with a serious scientific conference. The presence of these threads detracts from the main purpose of BRF. You HAVE been to "serious scientific conferences" and not as a student? And MISSED the cabaret? Let's see the ones I can think of r...
by enqyoobOLD
11 Jun 2008 00:16
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Shauryaji. I would say "NOW u r using MAH brain" 2 u 2, but, it would really be "NOW u r saying what I USED to say 15 saal pehle" The harsh reality is in the following post by Rye - "bottom line". IOW, each company's musharraf is on the line. India cannot provide the ma...
by enqyoobOLD
10 Jun 2008 23:15
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

In any case, for SDREs to engage in subcritical testing, they need to build up their capabilities in diagnostic instrumentation. Dont know the state of that. NOW v r using MY brain, as Laurel told Hardy. Lasers used in such imaging come under either HEL (high energy lasers, like things that can wel...
by enqyoobOLD
10 Jun 2008 17:42
Forum: BR Nostalgia Archive
Topic: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?
Replies: 164
Views: 72703

Re: Boot out the old and bring in new blood?

YI Patel's post and Patni's post above compel me to point to why the real intellectual core of BRF discussion has shifted to - where else?- Bojitive Nooje Thread. MODEL of peace, harmony, mutual education and freedom of expression, as befits the Nation of Believers in the Belief of Peace. Visit, enl...
by enqyoobOLD
10 Jun 2008 17:16
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Aha! NOW I can speak to my TRUE area of expertise. Pls kindly go back and look at that picture of the cracked wall in the village onlee. This is what is called a "Brick Separation Crack" (DO NOT APPLY PINGREJI-ANGREJI TRANSLATOR TO THAT! :eek: ). I spent $$300,000,000,000,000,000 not many ...
by enqyoobOLD
10 Jun 2008 07:34
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Why not a 5km long tunnel starting at LOC and going at 45 degrees down into TSP? Roll the bugger down the shaft, seal the shaft and hit the "send" button. Try to aim to be below a terrorist camp or a Pak Army division HQ.
by enqyoobOLD
10 Jun 2008 07:30
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

I think there must be reports, though, of damage at that village. I remember a lot of DDM going there to :(( about the gross negligence of the brutal Guvrmand in conducting such tests. Damage sounded significant. So yes, there was a good shock there. If the radius of damage doesn't increase signific...
by enqyoobOLD
10 Jun 2008 07:17
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Gee! Imagine Khelotai village ("forcibly") evacuated, remember "Slaughter of Democracy"? And entire NBA, CPI(M), Angana / 3-Rivers Foundation and WhatsHerNaam the Tiger-Frightener all sitting on the ground holding "Allah Will Destroy Terrist India" signs.... And the yie...
by enqyoobOLD
10 Jun 2008 05:54
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Re: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2

Your logic and reasoning on this thread is beyond me, and I will excuse myself your posts, and suggest others to do the same. Bye. Last edited by Chandi Prasaad on 09 Jun 2008 06:39 am, edited 1 time in total. Thank you, sorry:(( you ran out of counter-arguments . I am sure others can decide for th...
by enqyoobOLD
09 Jun 2008 08:25
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Dileep: The question is, would a LMT engine work for you? Maybe it will, as Sipani motors decided in early 80s. Well... question is also whether a Ferrari body and a Honda Indy car engine will make the ride from Trissur to Ernakulam any more pleasant in the weeks after the monsoon. In our nbd, Ambas...
by enqyoobOLD
09 Jun 2008 08:17
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Sanctions were also diluted because the desi commyoonity was 99% supportive of INDIA DECLARING ITSELF A NUKE WEAPON STATE. The real breakthrough was the SBI Bond Issue which raised $4B in record time. Never looked back after that. I can tell you that the support outside India won't be 99% if there i...
by enqyoobOLD
09 Jun 2008 07:59
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

Sorry, ramdas, but the argument about the size of the device still seems to hold. Much more and the damage would have gone far outside the region available for conducting the test. Doesn't that prove that at least the designers knew the maximum size of the yield, and in fact came close? In 1998, you...
by enqyoobOLD
09 Jun 2008 07:48
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

The acronym N2TN stands for "Need to Test Now" or as Satyarthi points out, maybe N2TNF (Need to test in near future). I don't see anything disrespectful, much less abusive, about that. It says nothing about gender, race, religion, region, caste or sexual preference or parentage. If you bel...
by enqyoobOLD
09 Jun 2008 07:00
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

No (that was no to satyarthi, not shauryaT), the times have changed. Tsar-Bomba may have impressed the world in 1970, but since it can't be done atmospheric, it won't be very impressive anyway. It will just cause anger and contempt. Same money spent on a space shot is better bang for the buck, far m...
by enqyoobOLD
09 Jun 2008 06:01
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

satyarthi: That would b "NR2TA" in James Bond fashion. "No Rush to Test Again". 8) There was a good reason why the world came around to India's viewpoint in 1998. Pakistani stupidity. Remember the wild celebrations of relief when TSP tested? We would have been far worse off than ...
by enqyoobOLD
09 Jun 2008 01:12
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

So now the case for renewed testing is that the dial-a-yield did not yield enough to vaporize the nearby village? From the S1 discussion, if you add Dr. P. Iyengar's arguments, you conclude that had S1 "lived up" to "full burn" the yield would have been some 80kT, wiping out that...
by enqyoobOLD
08 Jun 2008 20:36
Forum: Nuclear Issues Archive
Topic: Future Nuclear testing: pros and cons-2
Replies: 307
Views: 155165

What are our goals in the next decade in strategic affairs, economy world trade, world resources etc (economic strategy?) Win nashunul elecshun in 2009. Win state elecshuns in 2010. Go to sleep on job. Beyond that, Bhavitavyam Bhavedeva. All is Maya. We are like that onlee. 8) The West may have Tel...