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Ray, Wasnt the attitude of the Demon King a little colonial in ur op? I wud be ****ed and would say so (in a civilian setup of course, the worst they can do is fire u big deal). Shivji, One thing that has been bugging me a little for a while. Are you sure that Rushdies' latest book is good stuff. I ...

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Yup,

Excellent thread, Informative and enjoyable. Lately BRF has again started the pleasant tickle in the brain that was missing for a little while. Keep it up folks.

Cheers.
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Guys is discussing the origins and genetics of ethnic groups the right thing to do in today's day and age. I know this is a very complex issue. Also how do we define origination in India? Does it really matter if my ancestors came as invaders 2000-3000 years ago or are home grown 2000-3000 years ago?

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Originally posted by Sunder: Soldiers pose as militants, molest girls :confused: Rape of minor in mumbai train - onlookers are apathetic. What the F%uck is wrong with these people? What are these "middle class sensibilities" that the subhuman scum from TOI is talking about? God forgive an...

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There is gotta be a way for guys and gals to interact and fall in love and stuff. I mean if u dont tell guys what is proper and what is not, they get confused. A lot of guys are just confused about right and wrong. They are not depraved or frustrated creatures. In any case, no woman should be subjec...

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Here is a theory of mine. The more a society accepts women wearing skimpy clothes the more woman emancipated it is. For skimpy clothes are not a license or invitation for harassment. In other words the responsibility for treating women well is on the guys rather than the victims. The most backward i...

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Aditi, The apathy to the accident victims is totally unrelated to this issue. Even Delhiites are not inhuman. Thing is if u try to do anything the police will hound and harass you to death. It happened to my own dad. He took an injured guy to the hospital and the police accused him of hitting him hi...

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I dont know what it is, but the whole attitude in Delhi is pretty sickening. I know its very bad in Calcutta too. Not sure bout other places. I do know for a fact women are far safer and well respected in the US. I suspect our closed society may be at fault. I really dont know. One fundamental prob ...

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Problem is on many fronts. Actually rahul mehta is right there. A stronger rule of law is required. I still maintain that women cannot be expected to defend themselves physically as a matter of course. At least not until we allow the right to own guns as a fundamental right. Its easy to say defend u...

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The security of the female is still the primary responsibility of the male. We cant expect the women to take arms/ slap offenders in buses. I am fairly sure in Delhi at least the janta would not come in support of the woman. The woman obviously does not want to get into any firther trouble. Moreover...

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Hey Rakesh you mean u wont visit BR again or be one of the admins?

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There has been 0 discussion of religion in this thread. Only historical movements and stuff. Discussing political behaviour of religious communities is allowed I believe.

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Victor, Please note that there is no language called muslim. Hindus dont have a copyright over Sanskrit and Hindi. Same goes for Muslims and Urdu or Arabic. They belong to everybody who speaks them. Connecting religion and language is a fundamental premise of the 2 nation theory. Thanks. Atish.

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Well, We still dont have to change the definition. There are some personal/cultural attitudes that are impossible to reconcile with the interests of the Indian state. Intolerance is one of them. Please note that every Indian citizen (and people of Indian origin) etc is Indian and I am not denying th...

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Carl, I have a simpler definition. Anybody who feels loyalty to the Indian state is an Indian. As for culture, that might qualify Mushy to be an Indian. Indian as in the political sense. And thats all thats important in the collective sense. For culture, that comprises belief system, language etc is...

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Originally posted by sbajwa: Ai aab-e-raud-e-Ganga wo din yaad hai tujhko Utra tere kinaare jab kaarwa hamara True... but Iqbal also says about his Indian civilisation that Misr-o-Roma sab mit gaye jahan se, ab tak magar hai baaki jaano-nihaan hamara. (Egypt, Roman, Greeks all are gone but our Civi...

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In any military forum, the proportion of women would be minimal. As for the rest, in Carl's defense, right now self censorship worked pretty well (should be better). Also we dont have any idea of the religious affiliation of members. What I do know is that there are a large number of atheists/ agnos...

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Originally posted by Carl: atish: A look at the dilemma and confusion of the Subcontinental Muslim was worth a digression in this thread, coz it demonstrates the levels at which one can define oneself (and the potential conflicts between those levels). acharya: I think the "schizophrenia"...

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Harsh,

I am all confused. who are your co nationalists, and who are co-culturalists.

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Iqbal was not a consistent man. Good poet though. I am aware of the irony. Same poem has this line: Ai aab-e-raud-e-Ganga wo din yaad hai tujhko Utra tere kinaare jab kaarwa hamara where denies his Indian roots. Either refers to Aryan invasion or later Mughal/Turkish invasions. Thats why i quoted hi...

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Some not too popular lines of poetry from Iqbal: Gurbat me ho agar hum rehta hai dil watan mein Samjho wahi hamein bhi dil hai jahan hamara (gurbat is foreign land) Koi baat to hai humme hasti mit-ti nahi hamari sadiyon rehan hai dushman daur-e-jehan hamara Iqbal koi marham apna nahi jehan mein Malo...

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Johann, It is semantic innovation on my part. I could use a better word for ethnicity perhaps or go through a list of few hundred odd communities that I hoped to include, and a few that I wish to exclude. Remember theories are generalizations (for non natural sciences at least. I think the meaning i...

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Wow,
I mean impressive arguments.
Somewhat new perspective.
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Ethnicity as used earlier refers to people who are descendents of people who live in/lived in areas inside the borders of the present version of the Indian state or the British Indian Empire (excluding Burma, Sri Lanka, but not Bhutan or Nepal). I am not excluding anybody or demanding anything. Just...

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Here is my market efficiency theory analogy. Very small summary. 1. The weak form of Indianness: Generally Indian by ethnicity. Prediliction towards Indian cultural traditions. Have fondness for the country and things Indian. Very little or no national feeling. Sometimes tend to be apolitical/ human...

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Harsh, You are right. That most of us as individuals or even collectively cannot make a difference. Extending that logic we can say national identity is not that important and therefore the whole point of this thread is gone. We should all concentrate on making money, making love and suchlike. I don...

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Harsh, I have no great issues with points 1-7. Point 8 however does not seem to make sense. 1. India opposing blocking American moves anywhere is clearly not in US interest, and vice versa. The only other option is we Indians agree with America on every major issue. Put other ways one of us loses ou...

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I think I am seeing similarities with market efficiency theory.

There seems to be a weak form, semi strong form and strong form of Indianness. Will expand on this later.

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Now let me ratchet up the difficulty level even more: 1. Is it possible to be an Indian and American at the same time. 2. is it possible to be an Indian and Greek at the same time. My personal views are (by no means concrete/ subject to change and argument): 1. No, because India's interests/ actions...

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Very astute topic. Can I add another question to this already extremely weighty thread. I am a upper middle class Hindu (non practising). In food music and poetry my prediliction is towards Indian stuff. My father served in 2 wars both against the Chinese and Pakis. Rajasthani folk heroes (Rana Prat...

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Fellow BRites allow me to lighten up the tone a little bit. We have all heard this gem from Dr. Kalaam.Dreams float on an impatient wind A wind that wants to create a new order An order of strength and a thundering of fire.I came up with a translation. khwaab udte hai ik manchale toofan par...

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Ye yun hota to kya hota wagairah hum log jitni jaldi apne dimaag se nikaale utna achha. Just my humble opinion. Good to analyze effects of what happened and how to rectify situation. Who was to blame etc will not serve any purpose esp. since it is practically impossible to gain access to all info...

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Nikhil, A few points. 1. True capitalism with MINOR checks and balances here and there is always compassionate. Every other system restricts growth and encourages poverty. 2. All industries employ menial labor (and many more with support services and ancillary industies) irrespective of tar...

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Abhishekcc,I meant PR Kumaramangalam the erstwhile power minister. It warmed the cockles of my heart the way he took on the power mafia and denounced the public sector unions. Died of a mysterious illness.

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Kautilya, I am almost completely in agreement with you. It will take a crisis to reform. Unfortunately if we reform at the last minute it will cause maximum hardship and that much more time for Indian business to catch up. result being more unemployment and unrest and so on and so forth..Sridh...

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In the past 50 years industry may have been protected from external competition but what about internal harassment. If the police saves you from the thief and then robs you thats not protection. Ingenuity cannot create miracles out of thin air. Indian entrepreneurs are on strike. Survival of the fit...

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<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/ie20011107/ed1.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.indian-express.com/ie20011107/ed1.html</A> Hope this means a bit more sense from labor unions. As the article also states, I doubt it myself.

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We refuse to reform for the following reasons: 1. Vested interests are too well entrenched- Anybody who challenges the system is sidelined. I still wonder whether Kumarmangalam died a natural death. 2. Labor unions are the biggest enemies of labor in India. Draconian laws make it impossible t...

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I agrre with Sridhar. However i dont agree with his views on trade. After the partial reform process, Indian business esp industry is still treated worse and are under far greater constraints than most other civilized countries. Problems of 5 decades cannot be solved overnight. Nobody likes to...

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The problems in our economic policy are manifold. For 50 years entrepreneurs and businessmen have been treated as criminals and worse. Property of honest citizens has been confiscated in the name of socialism and nationalization. The interests of labor have been sacrificed to the careers of trade un...

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