Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 17 Apr 2015 23:27

The dead guy is Hafiz Saeed Khan also known as Mulla Saeed Orakzai formerly worked for TTP

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 18 Apr 2015 02:28

Paki RAPE's impotent rage at not getting a Indian Visa even after holding American Passport.

The non-issuance of visas to India continues to irk thousands of Pakistani Americans as the former remains hell bent to grind an axe with Pakistanis, regardless of borders or their new nationalities.

At the moment, there are an estimated 500,000 Pakistani Americans in the US and the rate of their continually burgeoning numbers makes them the second fastest growing group of Asian immigrants in the US. According to the Pew Research Centre, the entire population of Asian Americans, which includes Pakistanis, is among those in the highest income bracket as well as the best educated in the country (shamelessly trying to take a free ride of what is largely Indian American contribution) . However, despite all the good check marks Pakistanis have in front of their names and despite their coveted blue passports, India continues to trivialise their backgrounds, denying them visit visas to its esteemed land only because they are expats born in Pakistan. (Very rightly so)

It is absurd for India to assume that no Pakistani would ever want to visit India at some point in their lives. Everyone still has relatives, ancestral homes, ties, backgrounds, and memories of childhood visits to the country even though they themselves were born in Pakistan.

The migration that occurred with the division of the country in 1947 was the greatest mass human migration in the history of mankind. Do the Indian authorities seriously assume that simply on account of being born in Karachi or Lahore, a man’s ties to his entire history could be severed and his whole slate of reverence for the land of his forefathers could be wiped clean?

Even if one removes the emotionality from the picture, the whole situation reeks of brazen, glaring discrimination, not only on the part of India, but also the US authorities by reason of being perpetrated against as US citizens.

Why do these people want to go there?

I am pretty sure it is not with the intent to bomb Mysore or raze the Taj Mahal to the ground. The majority only wishes to visit family, gaze at the homes of which they have heard stories of all their lives, visit the monuments built by the Mughal rulers and reflect, sadly, at the preserved relics in the museums which tell the tale of one of the greatest empires in human history. The fact of the matter is that the soil of India has the roots of the millions of Pakistanis who immigrated to the new country in 1947.

As per the rules on the Indian visa website, the visa processing time for US citizens born in the US is one to three days, whereas the time for people of Pakistani origin, it is six weeks. Even this time requirement is just a scam; visas are not issued at all even after the person has waited for six weeks. According to the US Code Title 42, Chapter 21 of civil rights, “Discrimination against any person ‘based on age, disability, gender, race, national origin and religion (among other things) in a number of settings—including education, employment, access to businesses and buildings, federal services and more’ is prohibited.” (Wow she takes time to read American laws and absurdly tries to have it applicable to how a foreign country would treat a visa application!!!)

Yet the Indian consulate carries out this blatant discrimination most unabashedly on US soil against US citizens. The Indian government’s excuse for taking so long for visa processing, although in reality no visas are issued, is to curtail violence in the country. This excuse is, however, most flimsy and unconvincing. 500,000 US citizens of Pakistani origin cannot be held accountable for a handful of miscreants who also happened to be of Pakistani origin. ( So even though an occasional paki may become responsible for planning mass killings in India she wants India to take a chance and give easy approvals of visas to Pakistanis)

Prior to the 2008 Mumbai attacks, which were masterminded by the American citizen of Pakistani origin David Headley, all expatriates with foreign passports were exempted from any such visa issuance rules. These rigid rules only came into effect in 2009 and have yet to see any alleviation. (She conveniently ignores why the rules came into play for Pakis in the first place)

When the officials at the US State Department were questioned about this grey-area-case-of-discrimination, they said they had “raised concerns with the Indian Embassy in Washington” but were unable to do more since visa requirements were engineered by each country in question. Though one could understand that it takes longer for the Indian consulate to do background checks on expats of one country than of another, could it really take six weeks?

Today, it takes minutes to check a person’s background history so why isn’t the Indian embassy able to judge within at least a couple of weeks if a person can or cannot enter the country? The fact that everyone is denied the visa despite this background check only reflects stark bigotry against Pakistani Americans enabled by US authorities on US soil – an interesting occurrence in this day and age.

Adding further insult to injury, India requires Pakistani Americans to file their visa applications using their Pakistani passports and not their American ones

. Whoever chooses to do so, if they even happen to have their Pakistani passport any longer, will not only have to go through the Pakistani consulate to get these passports renewed if required but will also lose all benefits of travelling as US citizens (who is she kidding? Pakistan and USA both allow dual citizenship so most pakis can and usually have two passports). Of all the bizarre rules that any country could come up with for keeping the people of a certain birth background at bay, trust the Indian consulate to come up with the most outstanding ones.

The sad irony of the entire matter is that despite all these loony-bin tactics India creates to keep Pakistani Americans off their soil, the Pakistanis’ ties to that land keeps them applying for visas repeatedly. Going through similar frustrations and in response to Washington’s ‘non-committal stand’ on the subject, a Pakistani American even filed a petition in court titled ‘Ask India to End Origin-based Discrimination of Visa applicants’ (oh the sense of entitlement). However, so far, all pleas have been falling on completely deaf US and Indian ears, and Pakistani Americans remain barred from the land of their ancestors. It would be interesting to see how this matter is resolved, if ever.

Maybe there will be a day when I too shall be able to visit Dehli, the great seat of Muslim learning, Ghalib’s hometown, and the grand Mughal capital that ruled Hindustan for nearly 350 years.(Notice how she wants to Visit India only to feel good about the muslim connection and gloat over the Mughal rule in India)

Needless to say my comments to the farticle was not published by Express Tribune.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Apr 2015 06:06

Netanyahu should focus on Pakistan

Column by TAREK FATEH- of Toronto Sun
Writer is ex Paki
QUOTE
I asked a retired 80-year-old Indian general at the conference why were the Israelis so silent about Saudi Arabia and so ignorant about Pakistan?

He put it rather succinctly: “If America and Britain, who created Pakistan, cannot grasp Pakistan’s wily ways, why blame Israel for not getting it?” !!!

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 18 Apr 2015 07:36

From the vail of why are they not letting me into India...

Distinctly untrue statements such as the below do not help - since, Pew polls indicate that a majority of Pakis are confirmed extremists - no point hiding this to try and enter India

The majority only wishes to visit family, gaze at the homes of which they have heard stories of all their lives, visit the monuments built by the Mughal rulers and reflect, sadly, at the preserved relics in the museums which tell the tale of one of the greatest empires in human history.

also - a lot more than masterminded - Pakis celebrated the attack, have provided government funding for the JuD and nobody has been punished.

the 2008 Mumbai attacks, which were masterminded by the American citizen of Pakistani origin David Headley

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Apr 2015 09:05

Vipul wrote:Paki RAPE's impotent rage at not getting a Indian Visa even after holding American Passport.

If NaMo could be illegally barred from entering the US, in spite of holding a valid constitutional and elected position, why not India legally bar the paki amrekis for the crimes of their ancestors, current friends and relatives and fellow ex countrymen?? Don't these fakers know where they are not wanted or it does it rankle so much that even after possessing a "coveted" amreki passport it has not helped them to shed their universal paki unacceptability??

truly a burnol moment. No mention of of the great amreki Headly at all??

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 18 Apr 2015 09:39

^^ well said. Look at smack of arrogance at the end about Mughals ruling India for 350 years. Lol the truth is that they ruled north India and that too intermittently with humayun fleeing Delhi as refugee only to resurrect with help of other Hindu kings. Needless to say she was denied visa

partha · Post by **partha** » 18 Apr 2015 09:53

ashish raval wrote:^^ well said. Look at smack of arrogance at the end about Mughals ruling India for 350 years. Lol the truth is that they ruled north India and that too intermittently with humayun fleeing Delhi as refugee only to resurrect with help of other Hindu kings. Needless to say she was denied visa

Read carefully. She uses "India" every where except the last line where she switches to "Hindustan" implying Muslims ruled over Hindus.
Since Pakistan allows dual citizenship, any Paki holding a green passport should be treated as a Paki whether they are from US or Australia.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Apr 2015 10:03

chetak wrote:
Vipul wrote: If NaMo could be illegally barred from entering the US, in spite of holding a valid constitutional and elected position, why not India legally bar the paki amrekis for the crimes of their ancestors, current friends and relatives and fellow ex countrymen?? Don't these fakers know where they are not wanted or it does it rankle so much that even after possessing a "coveted" amreki passport it has not helped them to shed their universal paki unacceptability?? truly a burnol moment. No mention of of the great amreki Headly at all??

Actually , Indians should grant special paki babes and babes visa on arrival. It should be Wagha/Attari version of Canadian Visa .

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Apr 2015 10:04

These twats depend on Indians to read and analyse their turdicles.

Note the sense of entitlement - "I am and American citizen and how can India refuse an American citizen a visa on American soil?"

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 18 Apr 2015 10:24

Yes, silly girl.

One of the comments about a Canadian Visa is very interesting. Now fess up, whodunit?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Apr 2015 11:52

shiv wrote:These twats depend on Indians to read and analyse their turdicles.

Note the sense of entitlement - "I am and American citizen and how can India refuse an American citizen a visa on American soil?"

Indian gov. is doing exactly right ... ask these turds to apply with their Baki passport and then reject their applications on the slightest suspicion.

Why doesn't she file a petition in the SC of Bakistan to declare partition null and void? That way she will become an Indian citizen, the most foolproof way to vizit Delhi and bask in the Mughal glory.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 Apr 2015 12:51

Academic Harsh V Pant argues in DNA for the need for India “to impose costs on Pakistan” and finds that after a promising start the Modi Government is wanting in this regard:

Why Modi's Pakistan policy faces a serious crisis of credibility

Rajagopal · Post by **Rajagopal** » 18 Apr 2015 14:15

ashish raval wrote:^^ well said. Look at smack of arrogance at the end about Mughals ruling India for 350 years. Lol the truth is that they ruled north India and that too intermittently with humayun fleeing Delhi as refugee only to resurrect with help of other Hindu kings. Needless to say she was denied visa

Mohotorma Aalia Sule-maga needs a strong, point to Point rebuttal for her farticle.

Please email her at aalia.suleman AT gmail.com

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Apr 2015 14:47

Rajagopal wrote:
ashish raval wrote:^^ well said. Look at smack of arrogance at the end about Mughals ruling India for 350 years. Lol the truth is that they ruled north India and that too intermittently with humayun fleeing Delhi as refugee only to resurrect with help of other Hindu kings. Needless to say she was denied visa
Mohotorma Aalia Sule-maga needs a strong, point to Point rebuttal for her farticle.

Please email her at aalia.suleman AT gmail.com

Why? What does that bring other than showing her that her opinion is important to some Indian and wasting one's time. A comment at the end of the article is more useful, and if it is some Paki English rag, not even that.

In fact this article is a compliment to Indians that there is some sense in us to treat Pakis like the lowest crap, just as they rightfully deserve.

In fact trying to give others justifications for treating others like crap, destroys the purpose!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 18 Apr 2015 17:07

All discussion is worthless without a pic of said motorham - and analysis of pic can then determine whether vija be granted or not.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Apr 2015 17:37

Time for a tough stand
Article by Vikram Sood
comment: agree 400% !

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Apr 2015 17:50

The silent war
Article by ex Raw - Vikram Sood- on the Balochistan insurgency

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Apr 2015 18:11

US Murdered First Elected Prime Minister Of Pakistan

Comment: There are other "conspiracy theories " still floating around, for this unsolved mystery !

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 Apr 2015 18:32

Falijee wrote:US Murdered First Elected Prime Minister Of Pakistan

Comment: There are other "conspiracy theories " still floating around, for this unsolved mystery !

Falijee :

This is a whole load of Cobblers, Codswallop and Pork Pies!

Liaqat Ali was appointed Prime Minsiter of Pakistan by Jinnah!

Cheers

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Apr 2015 19:20

Peregrine wrote:
Falijee wrote:US Murdered First Elected Prime Minister Of Pakistan

Comment: There are other "conspiracy theories " still floating around, for this unsolved mystery !
Falijee :

This is a whole load of Cobblers, Codswallop and Pork Pies!

Liaqat Ali was appointed Prime Minsiter of Pakistan by Jinnah!

Cheers

Peregrineji- I also think that this is all bu.... t, considering the source quoted; however, on the other side of the spectrum, there is the so - callled Rawalpindi conspiracy, wherein the blame has been put on the ex Soviet Union sympathizers in the Pakjab army, including the poet Faiz Ahmed Faiz

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Apr 2015 19:44

I am seeing a metamorphosis among Indian 'aanlysts'. Many, who would normally ridicule advocacy of a tougher stand against Pakistan, have all of a sudden made a U-turn. I have never seen such a list of articles saying that Pakistan is incorrigible and 'nuff is 'nuff. Even The Hindu has an editorial and an article along the new line ! What a change, pleasant though to read for a change.

Waving the Wrong Flag - Edit, The Hindu
No More Carrots, Only Sticks

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 18 Apr 2015 19:58

^^^ With respect to Pakistan, as long as all the acts of murderous mayhem on India is not called out for what it is - an act of aggression by an enemy state, we have not even called Spade a Spade. A little stronger wording does not change anything.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Apr 2015 20:11

newspapapers are just a business, nothing more than that needs to be read into it.

they need some opinion pieces, some editorials to outline and give credibility to their paid articles.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 18 Apr 2015 20:18

SS
Even in US, the extreme left liberal is patriotic. India has been an exception as our left owes allegiance to Mao.
The Hindu was a good news paper a two decades ago. NRam spoilt it. Even now The Hindu did not cover any news of Modi trip. As long as NRam is there we can't hope of any change. This is either an anamoly or He is on his way out.
JMT

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 18 Apr 2015 20:20

It is Malini Parthasarathy in charge of the editorial board, she is just as bad as N Ram, if not worse. Recall her making some really terrible comment on Hafiz Saeed, and whitewashing his identity as a terrorist.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 18 Apr 2015 21:29

kenop wrote:On one of the MTV-Roadies style show on a Paki channel one contestant had listed (gang)rape as one of the daring things he had done.
Not a surprise

Here

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 18 Apr 2015 21:32

In general Pakistanis are peace loving and have nothing but love and affection for India. Many of them want to visit grand monuments built by the mughals. India is acting as though they want to bomb these monuments. Just because Pakistanis bombed, set fire to and killed people in Taj Hotel doesn't mean they want to bomb, set fire to and kill people in Taj Mahal. Assuming this is totally unfair on India's part.

Also India should stop discrimination between American citizens based on their country of origin. Pakistanis who have become US citizens deserve better treatment than Pakistanis who haven't become US citizens. As everyone knows Pakistanis with American passports are far superior to Pakistanis without American passports and therefore are exempt from any discrimination.

Can't India simplify visa procedures by asking a list of places Pakistanis and people of Pakistani origin want to visit and getting a suerity from them that they aren't going to bomb or help bomb these places? Maybe even charge a refundable security deposit which can be used for repairs in case they do end up bombing something?

Also inquiring minds want to know if she signed the "I do not consider Qadianis to be Muslims" declaration that every Pakistanis is required to sign before they get their passports.

disha · Post by **disha** » 18 Apr 2015 22:16

Vipul wrote:Paki RAPE's impotent rage at not getting a Indian Visa even after holding American Passport.

For once I love the Indian Consulates!! Great job in making the pigs squeal.

Raj · Post by **Raj** » 18 Apr 2015 22:43

Anujan wrote: Also inquiring minds want to know if she signed the "I do not consider Qadianis to be Muslims" declaration that every Pakistanis is required to sign before they get their passports.

Unless she does not consider herself muslim, she would have signed that declaration.
http://www.embassyofpakistanusa.org/for ... llable.pdf

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 18 Apr 2015 23:34

well done, Indian Consulates in the USA and GoI, keep the effing pakis out, even them ex-paki americans who seem to be fond of paki terrorist groups...keep them all out.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 19 Apr 2015 02:41

Sans 'big picture' Indian diplomacy meandering

QUOTE:Two significant Indian diplomatic initiatives within the week need to be noted (despite being ignored by the Indian press) – the demarche made by the Indian embassy in Kabul in a note verbale conveying New Delhi’s “willingness and desire” to join the Afghan-Pakistan transit trade agreement, and, secondly, the arrival of a team of Indian officials in Tehran to discuss investment opportunities in Iran’s oil industry. It is good to know realpolitik is alive and kicking in the South Block.

QUOTE:At the very least, India should have made a similar demarche with Islamabad simultaneously. Even now, it isn’t too late. The Pakistani minister of commerce Khurram Dastgir Khan has reportedly said, “We are willing to consider such applications and we are hoping that if we [Islamabad] receive it, we will consider it.” (VOA).

COMMENT: What is this guy smoking!! he always seems to "peddle" the chini blothers point of view!

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 19 Apr 2015 02:47

Funeral of Dawn's Marketing Director to be held tomorrow

QUOTE:Hamid was found murdered in his car in DHA Phase-VIII on Friday night.

COMMENT: Karachi civil war very much alive ; news of a ceasefire were premature!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Apr 2015 02:55

Falijee wrote:US Murdered First Elected Prime Minister Of Pakistan

Comment: There are other "conspiracy theories " still floating around, for this unsolved mystery !

On examination, one wonders why this story was published April 2015. If you set out searching for the declassified US Department of State papers, you stumble on this story:
http://www.arabnews.com/node/287940
published 18 July 2006.

What is the story? Putting it in simple bullet points:

1. A telegram was sent by the American Embassy in New Delhi on Oct. 30, 1951.

2. The telegram carried a summary of an article published in an Urdu daily, "Nadeem", from Bhopal, on October 24, 1951. The subject was “Is Liaquat Ali Khan’s assassination a result of a deep-laid American conspiracy?”

3. The story in "Nadeem" claims that

a. "The secretary to the American ambassador in Karachi absent-mindedly jotted down “holiday” for Oct. 19 in a table diary and then immediately struck it off.Following the secretary’s departure, Mohammad Hussain, a Pakistani employee at the American Embassy in Karachi asked the secretary’s British clerk about the holiday. The clerk described it as a possible slip. “Mistake meaningful,” however, because “the secretary knew the embassy would be closed (on) Oct. 17 (sic) although no American or Pakistani holiday was scheduled then to fall that day."

b. "The American ambassador (in Karachi) offered condolences to Liaquat’s wife (Raana Liaquat Ali Khan) on the phone, some three and a half minutes before even the Governor General of Pakistan Khawaja Nazimuddin managed to offer his condolences. This was despite the fact that the governor general was the first to be informed (of the killing) by the Rawalpindi authorities."

c. "The newspaper article, as summarized by the declassified US document, then discusses the possible reason for the disenchantment of the US and the UK governments with the Pakistan prime minister and his government. Liaquat was not ready to toe the US line, the newspaper pointed out and hence the US wanted him eliminated." The whole Iran oil thing is mentioned.

d. "The article also mentioned that the cartridges recovered from the body of the assassinated Pakistani premier were US made. The type of bullet used to kill the Pakistani prime minister were in “use by high-ranking American officers”, and were “not usually available in the market”."

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So, in summary, a US embassy telegram referred to a conspiracy theory article in an Indian publication; and when the US embassy telegram becomes declassified, it now becomes proof of an American conspiracy.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 19 Apr 2015 03:12

Gwadar port operationalisation: India, US need to redraw maritime strategy

QUOTE:The festering insurgency in Balochistan is also not being factored in the plans. It is widely believed that the profits will accrue only to the ruling Punjabi elite and Balochistan will be left with no benefits whatsoever. The insurgency, therefore, will witness a spike in the absence of a just political and social package being given to the Baloch people. Such a package is quite unlikely.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 19 Apr 2015 03:22

American wounded in Pakistan in apparent terrorist shooting, police say

washingpost report

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 19 Apr 2015 06:34

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Apr 2015 06:40

Tuvaluan wrote:It is Malini Parthasarathy in charge of the editorial board, she is just as bad as N Ram, if not worse. Recall her making some really terrible comment on Hafiz Saeed, and whitewashing his identity as a terrorist.

True. It is not only her, but IMO, the whole group is like that. There is no turning around as Altair seems to fervently hope. That was why I was surprised to read two op-eds like that. Then, a few days back, there was another one, Unacceptable Decision where it admitted, for the first time perhaps,

The hope that the return to democracy since former President and army chief Pervez Musharraf was deposed could help change the status quo and bring about greater civilian control over the security establishment, has been belied thus far {It is now 7 long years after Musharraf is gone}.

Then, I saw references here to so many articles/edits in various newspapers and reported here in BRf that echo a similar opinion written by usual suspects ! Looks like Mani Shankar Ayyar is the only one left clinging to the 'Prodigal Son', 'Long lost brother' theory at this stage.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Apr 2015 08:02

Altair wrote:No this pig only shares the name. DDM mixed up. Totally different guy. Our guy is in eastern Pakistan

It's not Al Haj Professar Hafeez Saeed Goatbuggeri!

What a relief! The lamppost in Lahore with his name on it would have

otherwise.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Apr 2015 08:21

Liaqat Ali Khan's wife was a first class opportunist. Her family were Pant Brahmins who first converted to ROL and she converted to ROP to marry Liaqat. I also think Liaqat was a shia, with middle name "Ali", He was a landlord from Karnal.

Sunni terror group SSP originated from Jhang where there Shia Sunni fight took on class warfare in the form of Landlord peasant struggle. Punjabi muslim feudals were Shias like Liaqat ...shows the crucial role Shias played in forming Pakistan.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 19 Apr 2015 10:09

http://swarajyamag.com/world/pakistan-b ... -in-yemen/

Why LET needs to get into Yemen.