The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

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Singha wrote: iraq has so far refused to commit any troops to syria, while allowing limited kataib hezbollah units to accompany irani militias moving through.

the plan probably looks like:
- turkey invades and takes that 100km ISIS borderland in the north, smacks the YPG heavily on the side
- Saudis prevail upon their sunni brothers in the NDF to let go of the kurds and employ saudi and american advisers in the march from hasakah to raqqa and then deir azzor.

the end goal as before is a sunni bantustan along the euphrates from turkey to iraq and cutting the shia crescent into two. later moral and diplomatic TSP style support for extremists to cross the border west and ravage the place.
But if Turkey and Saudi are committing ground troops in Syria in the hope of creating Sunni state , Will major Shia state like Iran or Iraq stop at just support Hizb/Kurd or will they fully deploy grounds troops too.

Iran has always said they will deploy ground troops if required.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaaApjfVAAIJksE.jpg

the village of hayyan seen bottom of this map is being viciously bombarded with rockets .
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cunning crusader plan to keep faith-fools busy slaughtering each other for next two decades...

in the early crusades, the turks (and kurds) were big players on the green team and the french and germans on the red team. salah'ud-din was a kurd*. once his green flag ops were over, the turks turned on him and his kurds and he had to pack up. the egyptians who took over the leadership in the later period were mongol trained turks, but they built up the sunni power base until the ottomans came back later

the main reason the franks survived in the holy land for so long in the first place was due to incessant green-on-green sports

history really does repeat itself...



* and richard the lion heart was 'english', but essentially he was a french king with a few bits of england thrown in to his possessions. he spent most of his time in france and eventually was KIA there
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are the lebanese and syrian coastal christians of today remnants of the franks who settled in the key cities during the crusader era or local converts ?
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there was some intermarriage but the christians of the levant are far older than the franks and goths, and the syrian church is amongst the oldest surviving ones.

the first crusade slaughtered the local christians in jerusalem just as gleefully as they slaughtered the green team (al aqsa was ankle deep in blood, etc.). (and yes later saladin returned the favour at the horns of hattin battle)
even in later crusades, 'noble richard the lion heart' spent a whole day beheading the green prisoners outside acre... etc.

the last surviving crusader kingdoms (e.g. antioch) were rolled up by the egyptians (once they successfully held off the mongols) and put to the sword. before which they were made to destroy their own castles (mostly in modern israel and southern turkey)

the mid east christians have done well to survive this long!
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Austin wrote:Grounds to believe Turkey planning military invasion in Syria - Russian military
Developments on the Turkish-Syrian border give serious grounds to suspect that Ankara is planning a military invasion in Syria, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

“We have serious grounds to suspect intensive preparations by Turkey for a military invasion on the territory of the sovereign state of Syria,” Major General Igor Konashenkov, Defense Ministry spokesman, told journalists.

“We are recording more and more signs of concealed preparations by the Turkish military,” he added.


"We are surprised that the talkative representatives of the Pentagon, NATO and numerous organizations allegedly protecting human rights in Syria, despite our call to respond to these actions, still remain silent [on the shelling by Turkey],” he said. :lol:

Turkey is trying to conceal its illegal military activity on the border with Syria and has canceled an agreed Russian surveillance flight over its territory because of that, Konashenkov said.

"Such steps carried out by a country, which is a NATO member state, in no way contribute to the strengthening of trust and security in Europe,” the spokesman told journalists.

Konashenkov called the cancelation of the Russian surveillance flight over Turkish territory “a dangerous precedent and an attempt to conceal illegal military activity near the border with Syria."

The violation of the Open Skies Treaty by Ankara won’t go without a proper response from Moscow, he said.

Konashenkov also said Russia has boosted all kinds of intelligence and surveillance activities in the Middle East.

"So if someone in Ankara thinks that the cancelation of the flight by the Russian observers will enable hiding something then they’re unprofessional."


The spokesman reminded that 32 foreign observation flights took place in Russian air space in 2015, in accordance with the treaty, with four of them carried out by Turkish observers.

The earlier agreed observation flight over Turkish territory was canceled on February 3, after Russian experts revealed the route, which would have included airfields and areas near the Turkish-Syrian border.

Now, who else could speak this way to NATO and Pentagon?
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In Norther Aleppo Raytan and Mayer have fallen. SDF has taken some farms north of Mayer. RuAF has also paid attention to Homs. In Daraaya, South West of Damascus, SAA have moved in fresh neighbourhoods.

Turkey has said no plan to invade Syria

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/tur ... -in-syria/
Turkey: No plan for military incursion in Syria By Paul Antonopoulos - 05/02/2016

A Turkish official speaking on anonymity told Reuters that Turkey had no plans for an incursion in Syria.

“Turkey does not have any plans or thoughts of staging a military campaign or ground incursion in Syria,” a senior Turkish government official said. He did continue to blame Moscow however for an escalation in the Syrian war.

“Turkey is part of a coalition, is working with its allies, and will continue to do so. As we have repeatedly said, Turkey will not act unilaterally,” the official added.

The statement was promoted because Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said Moscow registered “a growing number of signs of hidden preparation of the Turkish Armed Forces for active actions on the territory of Syria.”

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/tur ... -in-syria/ | Al-Masdar News
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Minions banana parody without minions or bananas but with bombs and Iran. Audio required.

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Lalmohan wrote:there was some intermarriage but the christians of the levant are far older than the franks and goths, and the syrian church is amongst the oldest surviving ones.

the first crusade slaughtered the local christians in jerusalem just as gleefully as they slaughtered the green team (al aqsa was ankle deep in blood, etc.). (and yes later saladin returned the favour at the horns of hattin battle)
even in later crusades, 'noble richard the lion heart' spent a whole day beheading the green prisoners outside acre... etc.

the last surviving crusader kingdoms (e.g. antioch) were rolled up by the egyptians (once they successfully held off the mongols) and put to the sword. before which they were made to destroy their own castles (mostly in modern israel and southern turkey)

the mid east christians have done well to survive this long!
Nice historical perspective.

I assume Russia was not a factor at all, back in the crusader era?

The Russians share the religion of the Levantine Christians, their little brother grown muscular and powerful as it were. Or maybe little sister, as today's Russians are children of Catherine ghe Great.

There is lot of focus on the shia-sunni schism. Maybe we should also look at an older Great Schism: Orthodox vs. the Roman Church /Holy Roman Empire and its present-day derivatives and allies. Pope's popularity shows that Martin Luther's religious descendants have basically reconciled with Rome and are now allies. But the alienation between Orthodox and Roman continues to run deep.

I have been finding it curious that the euro-American s seem perfectly fine with fighting on the side of "rebels" in Syria whose big dream includes slaughtering and enslaving Christians. There is no sense of Christian Ummah solidarity which was very much openly there well into the late 1800s, in other parts of the world where euro-America had a reach.
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the pope and patriarch meet in cuba

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In an historic step to heal the 1,000-year schism that split Christianity, Pope Francis and the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church will meet in Cuba next week in an attempt to begin bridging the church's East-West divide, both churches said Friday.

The Feb. 12 meeting between Francis and Patriarch Kirill will be the first ever between the leaders of the Catholic Church and the Russian Orthodox Church, which is the largest in Orthodoxy.
:shock:

Francis is due to travel to Mexico Feb. 12-18. He will stop in Cuba on the way and meet with Kirill at the Havana airport, where they will speak privately for about two hours and then sign a joint declaration, the Vatican said.

"This event has extraordinary importance in the path of ecumenical relations and dialogue among Christian confessions," said the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi.

The two churches split during the Great Schism of 1054 and have remained estranged over a host of issues, including the primacy of the pope and Russian Orthodox accusations that the Catholic Church is poaching converts in former Soviet lands.

Those tensions have prevented previous popes from ever meeting with the Russian patriarch, even though the Vatican has long insisted that it was merely ministering to tiny Catholic communities in the overwhelmingly Orthodox region.


The persecution of Christians — Catholic and Orthodox — in the Middle East and Africa, however, has had the effect of bringing the two churches closer together. Both the Vatican and the Orthodox Church have been outspoken in denouncing attacks on Christians and the destruction of Christian monuments, particularly in Syria.

The crackdown by IS "unites the two churches in defense of a Christian population that is in real danger of extinction through both systematic slaughter, at the hands if ISIS and emigration from the region,"
said R. Andrew Chesnut, professor of religious studies at Virginia Commonwealth University, using an alternative acronym for the group.

The meeting, which was announced jointly at the Vatican and in Moscow, was years in the works and marks a major development in the Vatican's long effort to bridge the divisions in Christianity.

In November 2014, Francis had said he had told Kirill: "I'll go wherever you want. You call me and I'll go." Kirill will be in Cuba on an official visit at the time, his first to Latin America as patriarch.

In the joint statement, the churches said the meeting "will mark an important stage in relations between the two churches. The Holy See and the Moscow Patriarchate hope that it will also be a sign of hope for all people of good will. They invite all Christians to pray fervently for God to bless this meeting, that it may bear good fruits."

Metropolitan Illarion, foreign policy chief of the Russian Orthodox Church, told reporters on Friday that there are still core disagreements between the Holy See and the Russian Church, in particular over various Orthodox churches in western Ukraine.

The conflict centers on the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, the country's second-largest, which follows eastern church rites but answers to the Holy See. The Russian Orthodox Church has considered western Ukraine its traditional territory and has resented papal influence there.

"Despite the existing ecclesiastical obstacles, a decision has been taken to hold a meeting between Patriarch Kirill and Pope Francis," Illarion said.

"The situation in the Middle East, in northern and central Africa and in other regions where extremists are perpetrating a genocide of Christians requires immediate action and an even closer cooperation between Christian churches," Illarion said. "In this tragic situation, we need to put aside internal disagreements and pool efforts to save Christianity in the regions where it is subject to most severe persecution."

The Vatican has long nurtured ties with the Istanbul-based Ecumenical Patriarch, Bartholomew I, who is considered "first among equals" within the Orthodox Church. Starting with Pope Paul VI, various popes have called upon the Ecumenical Patriarch in hopes of bridging closer ties with the Orthodox faithful.

But the Russian Orthodox Church, which with some 200 million followers is the largest church in Orthodoxy and the most powerful, has always kept its distance from Rome. Joint theological commissions have met over the years and the Russian church's foreign minister has made periodic visits to Rome, but a pope-patriarch meeting has never been possible until now.

Christopher Bellitto, church history specialist at Kean University in New Jersey, said the meeting was a model for reconciliation.

"The two men are trying to heal a millennium of wounds in the Year of Mercy," he said, referring to Francis' jubilee year. "Even if they are not agreeing on everything, they are engaging in respectful dialogue — which is in short supply in our world."

The location of the meeting is significant. It has long been assumed that a "neutral" third country would be selected for any pope-patriarch encounter, but it had always been expected that it would be somewhere in Europe.

Francis, however, played a crucial role in ending the half-century Cold War estrangement between the United States and Cuba. That the onetime Soviet outpost in the Caribbean will now play a role in helping heal the 1,000-year schism between the Catholic and Russian Orthodox churches is a remarkable feat of geopolitical and ecumenical choreography that may have the dual effect of thrusting President Raoul Castro into the spotlight. Castro will greet the pope upon his arrival and preside over the signing of the joint declaration.

The Vatican spokesman, Lombardi, noted that Cuba is both well-known to the Russian Church as well as the Catholic Church, given that three different popes have traveled to the island in the span of 20 years.

"It's a place that positioned itself well for the circumstances," Lombardi said.

About two-thirds of the world's Orthodox Christians belong to the Russian Orthodox Church, or about 200 million. The Catholic Church claims about 1.2 billion faithful.

About 75 percent of Russia's 144 million people call themselves Russian Orthodox, according to the latest polls, although only a fraction of them say they are observant.

Under Francis, the Vatican has encouraged continuing ecumenical ties with the Orthodox as well as other Christian denominations. And it has gone out of its way to be solicitous to Russia, especially in shying away from directly criticizing Moscow over its role in the Ukraine conflict.

Kirill was the church's foreign policy chief before he became patriarch in 2009 and is well-known in Vatican circles. In a 2012 interview with a Siberian Catholic newspaper, Kirill dwelt on the dispute around the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church but said the issue of Catholic snatching of churches and flock in Russia is not as pressing as it was a decade ago.

Compared to his predecessor Alexei II, Kirill cuts a more militant figure, seeking a greater role for the church in Russia's domestic affairs. His support for President Vladimir Putin and the government is also more pronounced than his predecessor who tried to keep a distance with the Kremlin.

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Nataliya Vasilyeva contributed from Moscow; Rachel Zoll contributed from New York.
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we should credit the ISIS for healing this 1000 year rift!
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KLNMurthy wrote: Nice historical perspective.

I assume Russia was not a factor at all, back in the crusader era?

The Russians share the religion of the Levantine Christians, their little brother grown muscular and powerful as it were. Or maybe little sister, as today's Russians are children of Catherine ghe Great.
ok in simple terms:

at the time of the first crusade, muscovy was a two horse town (paris was a 100 horse town) and kiev probably a 10 horse town. the normans had just conquered saxon england and the frank nobility were busy carving up europe between themselves and the germans were starting to get organised. byzantium was in decay - but there were clearly rivalries.

the pope conceived of the crusades as being a good away match for the boys so that they didn't wreck the home stadium.

in the meantime, the green team were busy doing the same thing amongst themselves. they didn't pay any attention to the red team coming over the horizon.

red team got drunk and wrecked a few towns en route, including byzantium - all in the name of playing the great final match in jerusalem stadium. the russians and other eastern christians do not figure much in the proceedings. possibly still a lot of evanjihadism going on amongst the slavic tribes.

by the 12th/13th century - the crusades are in a cyclical stalemate. the franks advance, the 'turks' counter attack. the franks rarely break out of the coastal zones and the turks rarely take their castles. frankish cavalry in the interior plains routinely gets mush kicked by turkish mounted archers and the flotsam and jetsam of the crusader ranks get sold into slavery.

however, over the eastern horizon - comes rumours of a great christian king called prester john and tales of how he was smashed the saracens and driven them in terror. the crusaders are much encouraged. christ had not after all forsaken them!

ofcourse, prester john was the legend built around the story of sabutai khan on his great recon raid of the west under the instructions of kha-khan genghiz. sabutai rampages through the russian steppes spreading terror. and those that come after him under successive kha-khans smash through kiev, georgia, hungary, all the way to krakow... whilst also smashing persia all the way to the bloody sack of baghdad and the dismantling of any major islamic power in the east (but not eliminating) (India remains as an islamic power of course which the mongols at this stage do not attack)

the early and mid crusaders fumbled with poor logistics (and too much holy fervour) and basically failed to capitalise on any of their gains, whilst the turks/saracens kept a wary eye on the east and didn't drive them into the sea. with the kiev nobles crushed under mongol dining tables (literally) and the tartar yoke on muscovy, there was no christian power left in the east. the georgians i think saw themselves as the last bastion of christendom in the east, but they were steam rollered. the hungarians annihilated... sacks of ears of hungarian knights sent back to karakorum for the khan to celebrate, etc.

by the time of the final crusades, the mongol avalanche over central asia and eastern europe was complete and hulegu khan was advancing towards the holy land to take the surrender of the egyptians.

the egyptians now had a slave turkish army (mamelukes) - mostly trained in mongol war methods on the steppes and they pretty much wiped out the final crusade of louis IX in the nile delta despite its early successes. louis was captured and then ransomed and eventually went back to france broken, dedicating his life to christ...

the mameluke leaders organised a stiff resistance to the mongol advance. they agreed a temporary truce with the remaining frank kingdoms and then met the mongols at ain-jalut where they managed to defeat them using their own tactics, much to everyone's surprise.

hulegu would have come back to wipe them out, however he had to get back to karakorum to determine the succession since the khakhan had died, so the mongols never came back and the mamelukes consolidated, built an even more formidable military machine and a leader called bibars assassinated their king and took over in cairo.

bibars comes back later and consolidates power across the levant - and wipes out the remaining frankish city states.
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of all the great empires that rose and fell, the mongols have left the least architectural permanent footprint.
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Singha wrote:we should credit the ISIS for healing this 1000 year rift!
Interesting.

I guess my question is, would Francis and his orthodox counterpart have the vision to collaborate with the Russian church and unite the levantines, westerners and slavs in a what would be a mega-crusade in all but name, or will they continue to be ahistorical fools like today's euro-American secular lords?

Like the Chinese, the Catholic Church also has a lengthy written historical record that (presumably) they refer to, so let's see.

We Hindus might invest in bhelpuri and beer (along with massive indigenous war machine and school of strategy and tactics ) and watch the tamasha for now and take notes.
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Pope Benedict started the ball rolling to unify the Church as a reaction to Islamism. Recall his remarks about John Of Damascus and Byzantine Emperor Michael's remarks on Islam.
So he started the reconciliation.

I had posted that he wants to reconcile all Christianity schisms.

A new Nicean compact.

Pope Francis is carrying out the master plan.

Now understand NaMo holding the Hindu, Buddhist conference in Gaya.
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ramana wrote:Pope Benedict started the ball rolling to unify the Church as a reaction to Islamism. Recall his remarks about John Of Damascus and Byzantine Emperor Michael's remarks on Islam.
So he started the reconciliation.

I had posted that he wants to reconcile all Christianity schisms.

A new Nicean compact.

Pope Francis is carrying out the master plan.

Now understand NaMo holding the Hindu, Buddhist conference in Gaya.
[OT] maybe also why Modi visited Mongolia of all places?
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http://aranews.net/2016/02/dozens-of-sy ... in-aleppo/
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ALEPPO – Militant fighters of the Islamic State (ISIS) on Thursday launched an offensive on positions of the Syrian regime’s army in Aleppo province, killing and wounding dozens of soldiers.

ISIS launched two car bomb attacks at Syrian army bases in the towns of Afsh and Tal Maksur in the eastern countryside of Aleppo, before firing dozens of mortar shells on the army positions.

“At least 35 Syrian soldiers were killed and dozens more wounded in the offensive on Thursday,” local media activist Hussein al-Dahir told ARA News in Aleppo.

The Syrian army had recaptured the towns of Afsh and Tal Maksur earlier this week subsequent to clashes with Islamist rebels.

“Both towns were announced as military zones for the regime’s troops. ISIS launched its offensive after reports about large military reinforcements arriving in Afsh and Tal Maksur,” the informed source said.

Also on Thursday, clashes broke out between ISIS fighters and Syrian army troops in the vicinity of Khanasir-Athriya highway in Aleppo –which is considered the main supply route for the regime’s army in the province.

The clashes left casualties on both sides, before the withdrawal of ISIS fighters towards their headquarters in eastern Aleppo on Thursday evening.

Reporting by: Taim Khalil

Source: ARA News
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Are U.S. Missiles Taking Out Russian Military Officials?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... cials.html
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Obama’s Disastrous Betrayal of the Syrian Rebels
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/05/ob ... rs%20Picks
Fast-forward a year. After a slow start — and despite wishful Western assessments that Moscow could not sustain a meaningful military effort abroad — the Russian campaign is finally delivering results for the Assad regime. This week, Russian airpower allowed Assad and his allied paramilitary forces to finally cut off the narrow, rebel-held “Azaz corridor” that links the Turkish border to the city of Aleppo. The city’s full encirclement is now a distinct possibility, with regime troops and Shiite fighters moving from the south, the west, and the north. Should the rebel-held parts of the city ultimately fall, it will be a dramatic victory for Assad and the greatest setback to the rebellion since the start of the uprising in 2011.
Russia has put Syria’s neighbors on notice of the new rules of the game. Jordan was spooked into downgrading its help for the Southern Front, the main non-Islamist alliance in the south of the country, which has so far prevented extremist presence along its border. Turkey’s shooting down of a Russian military aircraft that crossed its airspace in November backfired: Moscow vengefully directed its firepower on Turkey’s rebel friends across Idlib and Aleppo provinces. Moscow also courted Syria’s Kurds, who found a new partner to play off the United States in their complex relations with Washington. And Russia has agreed to a temporary accommodation of Israel’s interests in southern Syria.Inside Syria, and despite the polite wishes of Secretary of State John Kerry, the overwhelming majority of Russian strikes have hit non-Islamic State (IS) fighters. Indeed, Moscow and the Syrian regime are content to see the United States bear the lion’s share of the effort against the jihadi monster in the east, instead concentrating on mowing through the mainstream rebellion in western Syria. Their ultimate objective is to force the world to make an unconscionable choice between Assad and IS.
But it is the gains around Aleppo that represent the direst threat to the rebellion. One perverse consequence of cutting the Azaz corridor is that it plays into the hands of the al Qaeda-affiliate Jabhat Al-Nusra, since weapons supplies from Turkey would have to go through Idlib, where the jihadist movement is powerful. Idlib may well become the regime’s next target. The now-plausible rebel collapse in the Aleppo region could also send thousands of fighters dejected by their apparent abandonment into the arms of Nusra or IS.The encirclement of Aleppo would also create a humanitarian disaster of such magnitude that it would eclipse the horrific sieges of Madaya and other stricken regions that have received the world’s (short-lived) attention. Tens of thousands of Aleppo residents are already fleeing toward Kilis, the Turkish town that sits across the border from Azaz. The humanitarian crisis, lest anyone still had any doubt, is a deliberate regime and Russian strategy to clear important areas of problematic residents — while paralyzing rebels, neighboring countries, Western states, and the United Nations.To complicate the situation even more, the regime’s advances could allow the Kurdish-dominated, American-favored Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to conquer the area currently held by the Free Syrian Army and Islamist militias between the Turkish border and the new regime front line north of the Shiite towns of Nubl and Zahra. This would pit the SDF against IS on two fronts: from the west, if the Kurds of Afrin canton seize Tal Rifaat, Azaz and surrounding areas, and from the east, where the YPG is toying with the idea of crossing the Euphrates River. An IS defeat there would seal the border with Turkey, meeting an important American objective.The prospect of further Kurdish expansion has already alarmed Turkey. Over the summer, Ankara was hoping to establish a safe zone in this very area. It pressured Jabhat al-Nusra to withdraw and anointed its allies in Syria, including the prominent Islamist group Ahrar al-Sham, as its enforcers. True to its record of calculated dithering, President Barack Obama’s administration let the Turkish proposal hang until it could no longer be implemented. Turkey faces now an agonizing dilemma: watch and do nothing as a storm gathers on its border, or mount a direct intervention into Syria that would inevitably inflame its own Kurdish problem and pit it against both IS and an array of Assad-allied forces, including Russia.Turkey and Saudi Arabia, the rebellion’s main supporters, are now bereft of options. No amount of weaponry is likely to change the balance of power. The introduction of anti-aircraft missiles was once a viable response against Assad’s air force, but neither country — suspecting that the United States is essentially quiescent to Moscow’s approach — is willing to escalate against President Vladimir Putin without cover.
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Truly Amazing what Iran can achieve with 30 years of sanctions , Check the Janes story

Iranian UAV shown striking targets in Syria and Iraq

http://www.janes.com/article/57777/iran ... a-and-iraq
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got to hang our heads in shame in comparison: by now we should have cloned the searchers and herons and had 300 of them including for the BSF, SSB and CG.

First revealed by the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) in September 2012, the single-engined propeller-driven Shahed-129 is billed as being Iran's most sophisticated UAV, with an endurance of 24 hours and a range of 2,000 km.

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there is a recent pic of such a drone over north aleppo with a su34 passing nearby.
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i saw a syrian unit in the hills of latakia carry a plastic case with a quadcopter drone, launch it and then use a ipad to view its feed.
these agile small militia types can go from cots to deployment in a day, vs years for conventional army trials and procurement.
costs are cheap, quality is "good enough" and replacement cycle would be 1 yr with fast moving technology.

world has changed, product lifecycles have to change too.
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Jhujar wrote:Obama’s Disastrous Betrayal of the Syrian Rebels
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/05/ob ... rs%20Picks
If some of the US moves seem Schizophrenic... it is because they are. From what I hear, there is not a unified stance in the US gov about what to do next. Recognition of defeat is making the hard core PNAC berserkers do the usual foaming at the mouth. More rational entities inside the pentagon are trying to keep the lather from overflowing the Potomac.
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some info on the dustbin device. the TOW missile is however optically tracked from launcher and does not use IR signature to home in. so not sure if the description is right. also laser beam riders like kornet are not impacted
rebels do not have F&F IIR ATGMs like javelin or nag.

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terrorists are running low on captagon, funds, ammo & not to mention a huge blow to morale. There is a snowballing effect and the snowball is on the move.

https://twitter.com/IadArtwork/status/6 ... 8854006784

Furthermore, terrorist sympathizers are reporting that over 100 KIA just fleeing Rityan... and that is just TODAY.

Bayanoon terrorists' defenses have collapsed, many terrorists fleeing to Hayyan and Anadan. Not over yet though, the city is not liberated, but the allied forces are inside the town, soon we will have news whether it is in the verge to be liberated or not. Hell of a speed so far.

https://twitter.com/IadArtwork/status/6 ... 8854006784
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this is sally fadel a war reporter with tiger force interview

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who is Nikolai Patrushev ?

Patrushev supposedly said in a Russian interview that in case of a war with Turkey; Russia would use nukes and would invade Baltic states.

If that's true, Turkey and USA got to be really crazy and their moves may be serious enough to provoke a nasty response. Maybe Erdoghan is crazy enough, boxed into a corner he doesn't have much of a choice. But you would think lame duck Obama has no such issues.

this link is from a Polish right-wing newspaper.

http://niezalezna.pl/75881-rosja-planuj ... -na-turcje
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Obama and nato will throw erdogan under the bus if he ignites a wider conflict with russia.

they hold his gonads in financial and trade matters.

however it is obvious Potus is not 100% in control of gotus and has not been for a while....perhaps last time they were totally in sync was the reagan era. so there are sections who relish a return to cold war this time over poland and baltic states and the funding chain it implies.
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maps get green and yellow and black colors where nobody lives. take away this charade and the nonsense will be impacting less than 10 percent in syria. that is isil included. kurds+asad will hold 90% population post aleppo. there wont be any city in the top 5 or 10. and that is not accounting for the exodus of sunnis underway. how can this last if the borders are shut?

jordan is pulling its hands back. iraq has its own fighting and turkey will be turned off. this will die off in weeks if the supplies choke and russians keep dropping their blessings. its not only asad who has problems recruiting. the various rebels have all lost plenty they need to cover their behinds too.

by the way, every imager, your eyes included is an intensifier. you look at sun for too long, then you get a sun spot in your view. you can absolutely design a radiator that will make you go blind if you stare at it. And all intensifiers bleed spectra into visible spectrum. Turn on an ir light at your phone, see a blue light. A bright enough flash will disrupt targeting if it can be produced at the right instant. whether it works or not depends upon numbers, your ability to scoot to prevent tandem stuff, but this jugaad is certainly not beyond belief.
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this IR dazzler is to confuse the tow launcher by presenting multiple light sources in same fov as the missile. they have use a captured tow missile to study the light source carefully and mimic its behaviour on a strong scale. this would mislead the optical sensor about actual position of the missile hence the command it gives to guide it to + would guide the missile somewhere else...probably into the ground as it "thinks" the missile is higher than it really is. :mrgreen:

An optical sensor on the sight continuously monitors the position of a light source on the missile relative to the line-of-sight, and then corrects the trajectory of the missile by generating electrical signals that are passed down two wires to command the control surface actuators.[4] After launch, the operator simply has to keep the cross-hairs of his sight pointing at the target, and the guidance system will automatically transmit corrective commands to the missile through the wire.
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habal wrote:who is Nikolai Patrushev ?

Patrushev supposedly said in a Russian interview that in case of a war with Turkey; Russia would use nukes and would invade Baltic states.

If that's true, Turkey and USA got to be really crazy and their moves may be serious enough to provoke a nasty response. Maybe Erdoghan is crazy enough, boxed into a corner he doesn't have much of a choice. But you would think lame duck Obama has no such issues.

this link is from a Polish right-wing newspaper.

http://niezalezna.pl/75881-rosja-planuj ... -na-turcje
He denied saying that , if the news if from eastern Europe like Poland you can expect it is fake
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I think if Saudi or Bahrain enters with ground forces Iran and Iraq will jump in too , difficult to see how they can resist such temptation
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saudi need to jump in. a lot of the problems in the world will be solved if saudi decide to invade. kuwait, uae etc will be history along with saudi. bahrain will have interesting issues. turki cant rake on pkk. all the sunni gelf has been eunuched by houthis. these paper tigers going away takes down more than one four father and triggers a flow back in bakistan too. there is much to rejoice if salman will just keep his panties on and decide to jump in the fight. a reorganisation there minus the 14th century stuff would do wonders for progress.

they have to. send in moral and diplomatic support egging them on. send saudi ships to black sea to fight russia directly, base the air force at incirlik. i mean, joy, this match could finally live up to its billing if the saudis join in. mind you, ballistics will join the game day 1 if this happens. we will see whether the chinese material is any better than green painted ding dongs. what is salman waiting for? he has his coalition ready already, bring in the bakis officially too.

i cant even write straight up just at the prospect of bakis beaching themselves in tartus.
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the baltic states have a lot of incentives to scream 'big bad bear' and get some more dollars from unkil
cameron has just dropped a big hint to the polish pm about security guarantees in exchange for getting the EU deal through
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turki is taking in all the bakshish. that is the real problem. next up, ukrainians running from rebels for jobs in the uk!
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it will come
there are actually now more Poles in the UK than Indians... which is astonishing. especially since they've all come within the past 10 years
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Meanwhile on the frontlines.. very important battle continues. ISIS manages to VBIED themselves...
Sy. Army Repels ISIL Attack on Deir Ezzor Airport, Kills 40 terrorists in Hama
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Syrian armyThe terrorist organizations are losing many of their members, including 40 Jaish al-Fateh terrorists in Hama, and more of their equipment as the army operations against their positions continue.

Hama

The Syrian Air Force carried out during the last 24 hours intensive sorties targeting gatherings and sites of “Jaish al-Fateh” terrorists in the northern countryside of Hama.

A depot containing TOW and Grad rockets in addition to number of vehicles equipped with machine guns were destroyed and at least 40 terrorists were killed in the strikes.

Deir Ezzor

Army units confronted ISIL terrorists who tried to reach Deir Ezzor military airport’s fence from the direction of Hweijet al-Mrei’iyeh in the eastern countryside of Deir Ezzor province, a source on the ground told SANA.

The army members managed to destroy two vehicles packed with large amounts of explosives which the terrorists used in their attack before they reached the fence.

One of the two car bombs was destroyed amidst a large gathering of terrorists, with all of them getting killed or injured, the source explained.

More ISIL terrorists were killed and their equipment was destroyed as the army hit their positions in the villages of al-Mrei’iyeh, Hweijet al-Mrei’iyeh and surrounding farms and al-Jafra.

Daraa

In southern Syria, an army unit destroyed vehicles, a fortified position and a heavy machinegun for terrorists in Daraa al-Mahatta area in Daraa city.

Members of a terrorist group were killed or injured during an army operation against their site in al-Manshiyeh neighborhood in the city, while a vehicle was destroyed in al-Abbassiyeh neighborhood in Daraa al-Balad area.

The army targeted a gathering of terrorists in the area between the villages of Sama al-Hneidat and al-Mleiha on the border between Daraa and Sweida.

Sources on the ground told SANA that an army unit destroyed with a rocket a launching pad for anti-tank missiles set up on a building in al-Yadouda town in Daraa northwestern countryside.
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https://youtu.be/zEuwYgn1mIs

iraqi kornets vs vbied compilation. all types of aoa in use
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Meanwhile from President Obama's Celebration of Freedom and Democracy, brought to you courtesy of NATO /COuW
Turkish Opposition Journalists Set for March Trial
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Two Turkish opposition journalists accused of espionage and trying to overthrow the government in a case that has caused global concern are due to go on trial next month.

Cumhuriyet newspaper's editor-in-chief Can Dundar and Ankara bureau chief Erdem Gul have been detained for more than two months over an article that alleged President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government tried to send arms into Syria.

The report sparked a furore in Turkey, fuelling speculation about the government's role in the Syrian crisis and its alleged relations with the ISIL terrorists leading the fight against the Syrian army.
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