The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 19 Dec 2009 05:16

He is most probably being coached, by someone on the inside. I wouldn't be surprised if its a Cop on D-Company payroll.

a_kumar wrote:Something doesn't make sense in Kasab's statement. He mentions only one name.. Headley. Why is it only one name? And he still remembers this one name after 8 months?

It could be possible he was advised to add it into the mix to throw off the court. He seems to be grabbing whatever he can to escape the noose!

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 19 Dec 2009 05:59

ramana wrote:Need to think this Headley affair with a clear mind and connect the dots and find the missing ones.

This what I think could have happened based on the reports I have read so far:

1.Headley is a natural born US citizen
2.He got involved in drug trade
3.He became an agent for DEA
4.There had been reports about CIA's involvement in drug trade (e.g. Oliver North saga)
5.There is a possibility that he started working for CIA at some point
6.After Taliban / Al Queda attack on United States, CIA came under heavy pressure to keep a better tab on terrorist organizations
7.It is strongly possible that CIA charted a plan to recruit good terrorists (the ones who do not attack USA or other western countries like Denmark)
8.Let us assume that intention was just to penetrate the bad terrorist organizations and not to harm India specifically. There is nothing unreasonable about this; after all CIA was created to safeguard US interests
9.In order to keep the good terrorists on board, they had to ignore the Islamic duties of good terrorists carried out against India, e.g. murder and rape in Mumbai
10.One day CIA picks up the information that these good terrorists have gone bad, i.e. they are planning to attack a white country – Denmark
11.It was time to put a stop to this
12.Since one of the good terrorists in this case is a US citizen and the arrest had to take place on US soil, FBI is informed
13.The death of US citizens in Mumbai is used as a death penalty stick to find out more about terror plot against Denmark by FBI
14.Headley and Rana co-operate with FBI in an attempt to avoid the possibility of death penalty
15.Necessary steps are taken by US and Denmark authorities to protect the lives of innocent civilians in Denmark

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 19 Dec 2009 06:45

Prem wrote:Does this Kasai has access to Newspaper or tv? If not Who told him about Headley case?

I would think anybody who is pleading his case should advice him the same.. (I am thinking his lawyer)..

Not sure where Kasab is kept. Unless he is kept in absolute isolation with information clampdown, it is not difficult to come across a newcomer or other prisoners who carry this gossip.

If we do assume he is being honest in his statement, then Headley's India visits have to line up with efbeeeye visits to Kasab, pretty easy to ascertain I am sure.

Also looking bottom up, wonder what does Kasab say about Dawood (Not David). Was Dawood so isolated that foot soldiers have no idea of him?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Dec 2009 08:14

Karan Dixit thanks.

However we need a three column chart:

Date Events in TSP Headley

and see how they line up. Start from his known year of birth.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Dec 2009 15:15

Just to help Karan Dixit & Ramana, here are some details about Headley

Arrested in Frankfurt airport in June, 1988 with 2 Kg heroin from Pakistan, on his way back to Philadelphia
Same day, he agreed to become an approver for DEA
Convicted in 1989 but given a light sentence of 4 years and released early in c. 1992.
But, returned to jail briefly for parole violations.
In 1995, sent to jail for six months for continuing drug habits
Arrested once again in February, 1997, at New York Airport for drug smuggling from Pakistan
in 1998, he was given a light sentence of 15 months and 5 years probation, on account of his help to DEA.
Headley was supposed to surrender on October 9, 1998 but prosecutors requested the court to delay the surrender by a month
He was kept in the low-security Fort Dix Federal Correctional Institution.
In May 1999, while still serving sentence, Headley's lawyer requested the court to allow him to go to Pakistan between Aug. 10 and Sep. 15, 1999. This was granted.
Released early in c. 1999.
He now grew a beard and became a devout Muslim and began to pray regularly and wear traditional dress.
His probation that should have lasted until mid-2004, was abruptly terminated in November, 2001
Went to Pakistan several times starting c. 2000 as DEA undercover agent
In Feb. 2002, joined LeT camp. Attended training again in Aug. 2002 and three more times in April, August & December 2003.
In Feb. 2006,changed his name in a Philadelphia court and moved to Chicago with his Pakistani wife and their 4 children.
Applied for Indian Visa at Chicago's Indian Consulate on June 30, 2006
First travel to Mumbai in Sep. 2006 and subsequently in February & September 2007 and then in April & July 2008

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 19 Dec 2009 15:25

Original visa application form of Headley 'retrieved'

19 Dec 2009, 1510 hrs IST, AGENCIES
The original visa application form of Pakistani-origin terror-suspect David Coleman Headley,
charged with criminal conspiracy in Mumbai attacks, along with all the attached documents has been "retrieved" from the record room of the Indian Consulate in Chicago, reliable sources said today.

48-year-old Headley, a Chicago resident who was arrested by the FBI in October, made several trips to India to get videos and pictures of terrorist targets in Mumbai at the behest of LeT. His school friend, Pakistani-Canadian Tahawwur Hussein Rana, 49, had also been arrested on similar charges.

Headley's original visa application form dated June 30, 2006 and all documents submitted by him when he applied for his visa to India were retrieved yesterday, the sources said.

These documents were not traceable so far from the stack of the visa documents dumped in the record room of the Indian Consulate in Chicago.

The External Affairs Ministry had ordered an inquiry into the matter.

Original documents are being sent to India, the sources said.

The visa application from has the date of June 30, 2006. Headley was subsequently given the business visa for one year. In 2007, his visa was renewed for five years.

After his arrest by the FBI, Headley's visa was cancelled by the Indian Government.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 19 Dec 2009 15:50

Tadiyantavide Nasir was Tahawwuur Hussain Rana's associate

MK Madhusoodan / DNA
Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:17 IST

Bangalore: Tadiyantavide Nasir, the prime accused in the Bangalore serial blasts, was in close contact with LeT operative Tahawwuur Hussain Rana (48), a Canadian immigration consultant of Pakistani origin.

Rana is currently in the custody ofthe Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
in the US, along with another Lashkar-e-Taiba associate, David Coleman Headley alias Dawood Gilani.

It was learnt that besides Nasir, his associate Marakkarkandi Taslima Manzil KP Saabir alias Ayub (31), from Kannur in Kerala, was also in close contact with Rana.

"However, it was Saabir who spent more time with Rana. They even shared a hotel room in Iran and the FBI is believed to have secured the hotel register as evidence. Both Nasir and Saabir were experts at recruiting and initiating people from Kerala and other states into the Indian Mujahiddin (IM). Perhaps, Rana's expertise in recruitment had helped them both," sources said.

Sources also confirmed that four LeT activists, shot dead while trying to exfiltrate from Kupwara to Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, were escorted to the border by Saabir. "Saabir and Nasir held multiple passports. Saabir held a passport issued in the name of CAM Bashir of Aluva in Kerala to escape from the country. Though he was believed to be in Saudi Arabia six months ago, Saabir now seems to be holed up somewhere in the UAE," a source said.

Saabir is also believed to be the brains behind the Delhi blasts. Intelligence Bureau sources added that Nasir and Saabir were involved in the Varanasi blasts, both at Sankat Mochan temple and the Cantonment railway station in the holy city.

However, sources said that there are several loose ends in probe so far, which will be cleared only when all the other suspects, including fund raiserRiaz Bhatkal, are arrested. The investigators are certain that Saabir and Nasir ordered terror strikes in Tamil Nadu, Kerala and Karnataka.

The twin blasts at Chennapatna, which followed the serial blasts in the city, were also carried out on their orders.

Meanwhile, Nasir's interrogation led to the arrest of Soofia Mahdhani, wife of the chairman of Kerala's People's Democratic Party, on Thursday. She has been accused of coordinating with Nasir and others to torch a bus belonging to the Tamil Nadu government at Kalamasseri in Kerala in September 2005.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 19 Dec 2009 19:41

Headley wanted 'girlfriend' killed?
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enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 19 Dec 2009 20:02

Does this Kasai has access to Newspaper or tv? If not Who told him about Headley case?

His lawyer of course. Funny thing is that what he actually said (per reports) is:

Char gore aaye. Ummein ek ka naam Headley tha

The Judge did not want to waste time, asking him the names of the other three.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Dec 2009 20:19

SSridhar wrote:
in 1998, he was given a light sentence of 15 months and 5 years probation, on account of his help to DEA.
Headley was supposed to surrender on October 9, 1998 but prosecutors requested the court to delay the surrender by a month
He was kept in the low-security Fort Dix Federal Correctional Institution.
In May 1999, while still serving sentence, Headley's lawyer requested the court to allow him to go to Pakistan between Aug. 10 and Sep. 15, 1999. This was granted.
Went to Pakistan several times starting c. 2000 as DEA undercover agent

Maybe before 1999 he was a DEA agent, i think in 1999 Headley was a undercover agent for CIA Counterterrorist Center and America is never going to give access or details of Headley to India. Headley must also have visited Afghanistan during that time.

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http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr ... tenet.html

CIA's policy-and-objectives statement for the FY 1998 budget submission to Congress—which was prepared in early 1997—reflects this determination to go on the offensive against terrorism.

* The submission outlined our Counterterrorist Center's (CTC's) offensive operations, listing as their goals to "render the masterminds, disrupt terrorist infrastructure, infiltrate terrorist groups, and work with foreign partners."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterter ... _1999-2001

Beginning in September 1999 the CTC picked up multiple signs that bin Laden had set in motion major terrorist attacks for the turn of the year. The CIA set in motion the "largest collection and disruption activity in the history of mankind" (as Cofer Black later put it). They focused on known Qaeda terrorists, and on senior personnel both inside and outside Afghanistan.[8]

Amid this activity, in November-December 1999 Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Ziad Jarrah and Nawaf al-Hazmi visited Afghanistan, where they were selected by al-Qaeda for the "planes operation" that was to become known as 9/11.[9] The intelligence community began to pick up signs in late 1999.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 19 Dec 2009 20:34

“Mahesh Bhatt family’s Pakistan links should be investigated”
Ahmedabad, DeshGujarat, 19 December, 2009

Bollywood singer Abhijeet Bhattacharya, known as the voice behind some of Hindi cinema’s most memorable songs, including ‘Main koi aisa geet gaoon’ and ‘Badi Mushkil Hai,’ has demanded that Mahesh Bhatt family should be looked up by the cops for their Pakistan link.

Abhijit in his recent interview with the Times of India said, “years ago, I had protested about Mahesh Bhatt and his soft corner for Pakistan. But nobody took notice. And see what’s happening now. I want to know why a thorough investigation hasn’t being carried out against the whole Bhatt family? How come no one else in the industry had any connections with US terror suspect David Headley except the Bhatt family? Why do they call Pakistani singers and actors to work in India when we have so much talent here? Both the brothers, Mahesh and Mukesh themselves travel to Delhi and personally get the visas of Pakistani artists made. Why?”

“You get besura singers from Pakistan to sing your songs when our country is bursting at its seams with talent. People praise Rahat Fateh Ali Khan’s voice but have they heard Sukhwinder Singh? There’s no better singer than Sukhwinder. And the irony is that it’s hardly been a year since 26/11 and already songs of two Pakistani singers, Atif Aslam and Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, are topping the Indian music charts,” he added.

http://deshgujarat.com/2009/12/19/mahes ... estigated/

I am worried about this Bhaiya from UP.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 19 Dec 2009 22:51

Govt justifies issuance of visa to Headley

"He (Headley) is an American citizen born in Washington DC. It would have been unusual for us to deny him a visa. So he got a visa," minister of state for external affairs Shashi Tharoor told reporters in the capital explaining why Headley was given visa.

But but but Mr.Tharoor why were your own Govt's Home Ministry's guidelines set aside for Daood Gilani and Rana? He should stop giving lame and silly reasons for the blunder. And btw has any action been taken against Chicago Counsel General?

On the confusion over the status of visa papers of Headley as it was believed to have been lost by the Chicago Consulate, he said every Consulate gets thousands of applications and "if they were all kept handy in the consulates, there would be no place for anyone to do any work. So, they are naturally archived and it takes time to dig through thousands of them to find a particular application."

Are these papers not electronically archived? If yes then it should not take more a few minutes to locate any document.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 19 Dec 2009 22:58

Are these papers not electronically archived? If yes then it should not take more a few minutes to locate any document.

Namaste. Have you visited a GOI office recently? Or a Panchayat office?

The kick in the musharraf from Nai Dilli must have been World Cup Soccer quality to make these guys FIND the application inside a week.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Dec 2009 23:57

enqyoob wrote:
Are these papers not electronically archived? If yes then it should not take more a few minutes to locate any document.
Namaste. Have you visited a GOI office recently? Or a Panchayat office? The kick in the musharraf from Nai Dilli must have been World Cup Soccer quality to make these guys FIND the application inside a week.

Since this has become an intelligence matter, an impending unscheduled visit by the chicago consular general chappie to the salubrious climes of the Red Fort must have been even more powerfully motivating.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 20 Dec 2009 00:05

I am plain curious. David Headley was surely enjoying the fruits of economic development and prosperity. What made him turn to joining Jihad? Is not the whole Jihad thing an asbolutely non-ideological issue? I mean all sorts of Jihadi feelings only grow out of economic deprivation and lack of prosperity - right?

kasthuri · Post by **kasthuri** » 20 Dec 2009 00:11

brihaspati wrote:I mean all sorts of Jihadi feelings only grow out of economic deprivation and lack of prosperity - right?

Who knows what sorta torture he went through DEA, CIA and the FBI? Psychological torture is much worse than food and money troubles, imho.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 20 Dec 2009 00:24

If you check the roster of the Pakis in all sorts of terror attacks, except for the ones who strap on the suicide vests, the rest are mostly middle class/upper middle class.

Darwin Award nominees. Probably decided to show off how TFTA they are, then got sucked into the Toilet Bowl-e-Jihad. In the case of Gilani I suspect that it was the Expense Account, wimmens, goats and all, that did it.

IOW, it is their Pakiness. College students in American universities, brought up on CNN and Disney, and with halal Coca Cola running in their veins, suddenly "come of age" as Pakis, and go off on a pilgrimage to Pakistan to attend terror camps. How can one explain this other than by Pakiness?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Dec 2009 00:25

N^3 Ji,

I agree with your logic w.r.t Pakis. What about the 16 KSA citizens who became pilots and airline passengers on that fateful day?

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 20 Dec 2009 00:36

kasthuri wrote:
brihaspati wrote:I mean all sorts of Jihadi feelings only grow out of economic deprivation and lack of prosperity - right?
Who knows what sorta torture he went through DEA, CIA and the FBI? Psychological torture is much worse than food and money troubles, imho.

Kasthuriji you seem to have missed the obvious sarcasm in brihaspatiji's post! Beside IMHO there is no case so far to assume that headley was tortured by anyone. FBI never lets a perss release go without mentioning that headley is co-operating with the investigation. The CIA has released a statement denying that they have anything do with him and if you had been following this thread then you would have read how Headley turned in his associate to save his skin and even went undercover to pakistan working for DEA on a string job to nab least 3-4 drug smugglers, if anything he has a track record for saving his skin and cutting a deal with authority to save his own skin time and again! He is through and through jihadi paki to core and i am really astonished that you seem to have some sort of sympathy for him? In my opinion he is bigger culprit then kasab for the role he has played in planning mumbai attack. If anyone needs to be sympathised with for Psychological torture well then think of innocent victims and their family members who does suffer it since the day and most will for very long time!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Dec 2009 01:12

RamaY wrote:N^3 Ji,

I agree with your logic w.r.t Pakis. What about the 16 KSA citizens who became pilots and airline passengers on that fateful day?

I dont think its OT but Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan and whole world knows about this. Lest not ignore this fact while dealing with Islamists or Jehadis or whatever they are called .

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 20 Dec 2009 01:12

I was expecting a recall of the Chicago consul, given that things had gone missing, but instead, GoI seems to be defending the issuance of the visa. Does the Indian visa application have the usual questions like "Were you convicted for any crimes etc"? If so, what did Headley reply to those, and was the visa issued inspite of that?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Dec 2009 01:23

Tanaji wrote:I was expecting a recall of the Chicago consul, given that things had gone missing, but instead, GoI seems to be defending the issuance of the visa. Does the Indian visa application have the usual questions like "Were you convicted for any crimes etc"? If so, what did Headley reply to those, and was the visa issued inspite of that?

It becomes bureaucratic MHA vs MEA. So he stays but might get transferred later.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 20 Dec 2009 02:31

Headley visa papers retrieved

The Indian Consulate in Chicago has retrieved the visa application forms submitted by Lashkar-e-Taiba operative David Headley, and the papers are being sent to India, sources here said.

The sources declined to be identified because External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna is expected to make a statement in the Rajya Sabha on Monday.

“Everything is in hand, and we had also said earlier that it was a time-consuming job to retrieve the papers from the thousands kept in the storage vault,” the sources said.

They said the retrieval of the forms vindicated the stand taken by Mr. Krishna and Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao in refusing to prejudge the issue of “missing” papers.

The Consulate had also denied having ever reported loss of the forms.

Officials of the External Affairs Ministry told The Hindu that before the introduction of online visa application, most consulates issuing a large number of visas sent the forms for storage in a record room.

They felt that there was a delay because retrieving a form, even a couple of years old, from those massed in the vault could be time-consuming.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 20 Dec 2009 03:21

Sridhar,

Thanks for your help! It saved me lots of work.

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Ramana,

I made a table which contains three columns - Date, Events in Pakistan and Connection to Headley. It is in a word doc format. When I try to post it on the board, it destroys the tabular format. Do you have any suggestion on overcoming this issue?

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 20 Dec 2009 03:24

RamaY wrote:N^3 Ji,

I agree with your logic w.r.t Pakis. What about the 16 KSA citizens who became pilots and airline passengers on that fateful day?

Did 16 KSA citizens target India or some other country?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 20 Dec 2009 03:31

Karan Dixit wrote:Ramana,

I made a table which contains three columns - Date, Events in Pakistan and Connection to Headley. It is in a word doc format. When I try to post it on the board, it destroys the tabular format. Do you have any suggestion on overcoming this issue?

I have faced this problem too.
The best solution I have is to convert that table into a jpeg image and post that image here.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 20 Dec 2009 04:15

Gagan,

Thanks for the advise! However, I decided to create a blog instead.

Here is the link:

http://karandixit.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/headley-bio/

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When I was filling up this information, I became very curious about Rana. So, I intend to google following information about Rana in the next phase:

When did Rana join Paki army?
What kind of connections did he have with ISI? (e.g. Kashmiri, etc.)
When did Rana and Headley reunite?
Where did they reunite and under what circumstances?

It seems like it was Rana who pulled Headley into the world of terror/espionage.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 20 Dec 2009 06:03

RamaY asks:

I agree with your logic w.r.t Pakis. What about the 16 KSA citizens who became pilots and airline passengers on that fateful day?

Prem responds:

I dont think its OT but Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan and whole world knows about this. Lest not ignore this fact while dealing with Islamists or Jehadis or whatever they are called .

OK, this is the standard Obvious Conclusion that our most patriotic and "brutally honest" people leap to, and keep falling into the pakistan in between, and keep failing to realize that the stink they feel is from the pakistan.

Let me take RamaY's question first. The first question is:
How sure are you that there were 16 and only 16, and that they were indeed the Saudi citizens who they were "identified" to be?
As far as I know, there has been no positive ID. The remains were unidentifiable. The airport cameras were, at best, ambiguous. Have you seen any positive ID evidence presented? Saying:"Aha! Look at this corner of a burnt piece of paper. It is 385% certain to be a piece of a Saudi passport. Ismail bin Abdul Al Pooheadi possessed a Saudi passport, and he has disappeared, therefore, Q.E.D.!" is hardly positive ID.

Please read some of the stuff some of us posted at BRM/SRR in the 2001-2002 time frame before we stopped, convinced that it was not a case of the Authorities not KNOWING, it was that they were determined not to acknowledge knowing.

Very briefly, let us suppose Rama and Prem (Houristan forbid!) were Indonesians planning a Jihadi attack on, say, the tallest outcrop of the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica. I mean, LOOK at all those Penguins - going around with their ankles and faces uncovered, haraaam!

So this is a tough operation. Antarctica is far from, say, Indonesia. Takes a lot of money and meticulous planning. The final step is a spectacular, and I mean

crashing of TWO hijacked Russian An-12 transport aircrafts at 400 knots, flying low level over the ice towers and smack into the penguin nest in the Jewish-owned, Russian-financed, Indian-built Duniya's Tallest Towers.

1 year of meticulous planning and preparation later, and much transfer of money through Dubai by Pakistani ISI agints later, it is Jihad Din. They load up into the planes, and conduct a timed-to-the second attack on the crew, well-rehearsed by the (Saudi? or Paki?) Practice Attack in December 1999 on the Indian Airlines plane from Kathmandu.

Who would be your choice as pilots to execute that last maneuver, under conditions where the passengers were trying to rush the cockpit, fighters were scrambling, 200 people were screaming and terrorists were ranting and waving box-cutters and cutting people's throats? And not to forget, the 2 pilots on each plane were bleeding to death from slit throats and the control panel looked like your kitchen on Bakr Id?

Be brutally honest now:
a) A bunch of lazy, carousing Saudi civilians, who were sent to take flying lessons but usually skipped classes ... but you were depending on them to coolly fly a huge aircraft at high speed through a 45-degree banked, 90-degree, coordinated turn at exactly 183 feet above the ground at 400 knots, smacking into the second floor from the top of the DTT?

What if they missed, stalled, and just fell into the sea? What if these jackasses got sick and passed out, and the passengers killed them all and flew the airliner to a survivable landing?

What if they missed, tried again to come around, and the missile batteries in Ross Harbor reacted and shot the plane down?

What if they missed and crashed on the Saudi Center for Enlightenment 3 blocks away?

b) A set of highly trained military pilots whom you could rent and brainwash into believing that killing innocents makes them heroes per the tradition of said military since they cannot win in combat against real soldiers?
What country has such a military"
What country has such pilots?
What country gets its Air Force pilots out on rent to KSA, Bahrain, etc. etc. to fly in their Air Forces?
What country's Air Force pilot was a co-student of Mohammed Atta, a Major in its Air Force, until he was recalled because his brother had become pest-e-sha'eed on an "Atlantique" aircraft, and so the family had only one son left to contribute to the Jehad?

I once asked this question to a Jewish lady sitting next to me on a long and very informative flight across the Evil Land of Great Satan, and the lights absolutely went on in her mind and she asked what I thought should be done to General Musharraf.

She was obviously far smarter than many of our postors here, who after years of reading BRF, cannot figure this out on their own.

Well.. I can't make you guys think, but I sure can make sure the forum doesn't keep getting polluted by thoughtless rants by people with a single-point agenda- spread hate against one religion.

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And a final point there: These things happened in and before 2001. Maybe you were all very young then and immersed in such classics as "Baa Baa Khusboo, have many fools had yoo?" or "Abdul had a little lamb! And then he ate her!". But this is 2009. The year when General Musharraf made that interview, casually declaring that 9/11 and all terrorism happened because the US Abandoned Pakistan after 1992 and Failed to Get Cash-Mere for Pakistan.

What did he mean by that, have you wondered? Do you expect any clearer admission of guilt?

Cheers

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 20 Dec 2009 06:44

Terror suspect Headley not our agent, says CIA

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 20 Dec 2009 06:54

My take is that the DEA used Headley to pursue their objectives. His extra-curricular activities were not of interest to them (yes I know, it's idiotic, but that is what happens when bureaucracies pursue their narrow agendas). So they ended up facilitating an international terrorist to cross borders.

The desi Consul-Jarnail's actions suggest that there was maybe a phone call from the GOTUS DEA or someone to let Gilani travel in India.

Should GOTUS be hammered for the incredibly stupid handling of Paki terrorism? Yes, absolutely- over 60,000 people have died due to Pakistani terrorism in India. Will GOI take the right stand and actually go public with that declaration? Hold your breath. The "leaks" convey the obvious rage in GOI circles.

The CIA denial is the most spectacular evidence to-date of the finger-pointing and CYA going on inside GOTUS because of this SNAFU. FYI, COTUS made it a felony for any immigration officer to let in a terrorist - that's what caused the huge constipation in the Citizenship and Immigration system. However I doubt that this applies to covert operations of DEA, CIA and FBI.

Finally, the delay in "finding" Gilani's "original visa application" may be to ensure that the reason for the Consul's action is not released.

The more interesting question is how many more Gilanis there are - Native born Americans with one eye blue and one eye brown who are actually drug dealers whose golas are one black and one green because the FBI/DEA has them by those. Sadly, Pakis' H&D will be greatly heightened by this, and I can imagine all Paki visitors to India strutting around imagining their "US Agint" halos.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 20 Dec 2009 07:11

edited.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 20 Dec 2009 07:20

oops! Sorry, I deleted that.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Dec 2009 07:41

Great job Karan. A little clarification. When I said events in Pakistan I ment macro events in Pakistan like the 1971 war, the Islamization under Zia underway etc. So need to move your events under TSP to Headley and fill in macro events that were impacting TSP society.

I agree fourth/third column has to be Rana. Am wondering if events in US have to be added.

What I expect out of this is a way to be able to characterize and place Headley and Rana and see how it can be applied to others of their ilk. In other words lets develop a profile of such folks for future.

Thanks a lot.
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vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Dec 2009 07:58

Govt justifies issuance of visa to Headley

There you go. Clearly the GoI is yet to have the tubelight moment where they start carefully scrutinising visa applications of people who have visited Pakistan.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 20 Dec 2009 08:15

The "leaks" convey the obvious rage in GOI circles.

B. Raman branded Gilani as a quarduple agent.

From longwarjournal

In fact, an Indian journalist has confirmed to me that the country's home secretary told reporters on deep background that he thinks Headley was a CIA double agent.

something smells not nice. So far there was some known connection to DEA. How is CIA comes into picture. Any connection established on this ?

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 20 Dec 2009 08:16

The year when General Musharraf made that interview, casually declaring that 9/11 and all terrorism happened because the US Abandoned Pakistan after 1992 and Failed to Get Cash-Mere for Pakistan

Nice writeup N3. Its OT anyway

, but cant resist.

In 2019, when General ____ make the interview, will casually declare that (new) 9/11 and all terrorism happened because the US Abandoned Pakistan after 2012 and Failed to Get Mere Cash for Pakistan

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 20 Dec 2009 08:22

Karan Dixit wrote:Gagan,

Thanks for the advise! However, I decided to create a blog instead.

Here is the link:

http://karandixit.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/headley-bio/

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When I was filling up this information, I became very curious about Rana. So, I intend to google following information about Rana in the next phase:

When did Rana join Paki army?
What kind of connections did he have with ISI? (e.g. Kashmiri, etc.)
When did Rana and Headley reunite?
Where did they reunite and under what circumstances?

It seems like it was Rana who pulled Headley into the world of terror/espionage.

Karanji, will try and help by providing information to fill in the table you have started. If you read through some of the posts in thread it will save your some efforts. I have listed address and contact numbers of rana's businesses as well as information as when he migrated to canada and that he surrendered his paki passport etc. I will start to leave some information with dates etc in comments on your blog. I have a suggestion that you also please list all known associates/family connections with names and context where ever possible.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 20 Dec 2009 09:03

Mere Cash

It's Cash - MERE! (mine!

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negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Dec 2009 09:25

Afaik for a multiple entry tourist Visa to India one needs to furbish "Exemption Support Letter"

from TRAVISA OUTSOURCING's site.

"Exemption Support Letter: A letter is needed to support two points 1) The letter must highlight the urgency of the visit and the purpose of the visit must be for recreation/sight seeing, casual visit to meet friends and relatives/others (to be specified). 2) They may not be engaged in Business Activities/Employment or pursuing studies/research, etc. In such cases, registration would be required within 14 days of arrival."

Now that those papers have been found

lets hope we get some info with regards to the above too, btw what are the odds of beebul in embassy erroneously issuing a Visa to a baki without required papers vis a vis to a fellow Indian ?

I mean I have never heard a case of PIO/NRI getting a multiple entry visa without furbishing required papers (thanks to our upholding the English tradition of doing paperwork in triplicate

), now how is that Geel-nahi got his Vijja stamped ?

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 20 Dec 2009 09:46

Karan Dixit wrote:
ramana wrote:Need to think this Headley affair with a clear mind and connect the dots and find the missing ones.
This what I think could have happened based on the reports I have read so far:

1.Headley is a natural born US citizen
2.He got involved in drug trade
3.He became an agent for DEA
4.There had been reports about CIA's involvement in drug trade (e.g. Oliver North saga)
5.There is a possibility that he started working for CIA at some point
6.After Taliban / Al Queda attack on United States, CIA came under heavy pressure to keep a better tab on terrorist organizations
7.It is strongly possible that CIA charted a plan to recruit good terrorists (the ones who do not attack USA or other western countries like Denmark)
8.Let us assume that intention was just to penetrate the bad terrorist organizations and not to harm India specifically. There is nothing unreasonable about this; after all CIA was created to safeguard US interests
9.In order to keep the good terrorists on board, they had to ignore the Islamic duties of good terrorists carried out against India, e.g. murder and rape in Mumbai
10.One day CIA picks up the information that these good terrorists have gone bad, i.e. they are planning to attack a white country – Denmark
11.It was time to put a stop to this
12.Since one of the good terrorists in this case is a US citizen and the arrest had to take place on US soil, FBI is informed
13.The death of US citizens in Mumbai is used as a death penalty stick to find out more about terror plot against Denmark by FBI
14.Headley and Rana co-operate with FBI in an attempt to avoid the possibility of death penalty
15.Necessary steps are taken by US and Denmark authorities to protect the lives of innocent civilians in Denmark

Gentlemen,
I am having some problems with our Shri Headley becoming an Agent with the FBI, DEA or the CIA.

1. He was caught smuggling drugs. Now, we in the law enforcement agencies have a saying “You have done the crime, now you do the time”. Shri Headley however chose the easy way out. He did not want do the hard time and went for a plea bargain. (2 kg heroin will draw about 18 years, for possession with intent to sale. He will have to complete 85% of this. This is per California Penal Code, Federal laws are different ) He in return for a small amount of easy time in a Federal Penn (Feds are considered to be Summer Camps, with no perimeter fence). He had however, required to betray every one he knew in the drug dealing business. In California, this act will bring the death sentence from the drug curtail, The law enforcement agencies even took him to Pakistan to take part in sting operations, where more of his colleagues were caught. A few years later he was caught smuggling drugs again. Then he used the same tricks to get a lighter sentence. I am sure right this very moment Shri Headley is using his old tricks again. He is singing like a bird, implicating everybody to get a lighter sentence. This is his MO.

2. So, what does all that make our Shri Headley? Certainly not an FBI agent. (I have no idea how CIA recruitment works, but most probably in a very similar way.) A convicted felon can not become an FBI agent. What he became is the lowest in the food chain: an informant. Headley was also his own customer, as he was also an addict. Another reason way he could be trusted as an agent.

3. Also, he grew a beard, associated with Islamists. Unless he did this at the behest of the FBI, Headley would be trusted even less.

4. In the TV program of Barkha, one can easily see that the American guests made a clear distinction between an Informant and an FBI agent.
Gautam