The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
The second reason is that unless there is an area of peace between China and India, an area in which there is no great Chinese military presence, our northern borders are directly exposed. The ecology of India is just as closely interlinked with what happens across the Tibetan plateau. The deforestation of eastern Tibet that has already taken place; mining and other activities that China is pursuing with vigour across Tibet; the diversion of Tibetan waters to the north by China engineering works for which have already begun — all these are bound to affect the entire plain of north and east India, as, indeed, they are bound to affect the countries all along the Mekong
And this shutting of eyes is typical: we shut our eyes to the Talibanisation of Pakistan; to the Talibanisation of Bangladesh; to the ingress of Bangladeshis into the Northeast; to the consequences for us of China encircling India — Myanmar as a colony, a military pact with Bangladesh, a fully militarised and nuclearised Tibet, a willing and dependent instrument in Pakistan.
In the case of China and Tibet, as the years have gone by, we have shut our eyes tighter and tighter.
a China that is spreading its influence in Latin America, Central Asia, Africa is not going to overlook these countries along its southern rim. Had not Mao declared, “Tibet is the palm of China, the Himalayan kingdoms are its fingers”?
China to murder (death sentence)Tibetan demonstrators.The running dogs of hate,China is behaving like nazi pigs in Asia.Tibet is only the beginning,as China flexes its military muscles more and more each day.
The Xinhua news agency reported that the H5N1 virus, which can be fatal to humans, had been found in poultry sold at a wholesale market in Lhasa on April 12.
Typical Han behaviour. This is under Obama/Madam Clinton watch:
The influx of Han Chinese and the growing restrictions on religious practice have become the biggest threats to Tibet, which faces “something like a death sentence” under Chinese rule, said the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader.
This is a sad bargain, under MMS watch:
The only solution is to allow genuine autonomy for the six million Tibetans, he said. The regional authority would make policy on education, religious practice and the use of natural resources, while Beijing would retain the right to keep military forces in the region and oversee foreign affairs, he added.
The Dalai Lama has long stressed the need for the Tibetan community to elect a political leadership, and the first election to select a prime minister was held in 2001. Indeed, the symposium at which his comments were broadcast late on Saturday night in the Indian Himalayan town where he has lived for almost five decades, was being held to discuss the next election for the government-in-exile – due to be held in 2011.
According to Tenzin, China should draw some lessons from the demonstrations and violence in Urumqi.
“The frustrations of Tibetans are mounting; we are getting increasingly tired with Chinese insincerity in solving the Tibetan issue,” Tenzin said.
“Beijing should try to negotiate with the Dalai Lama and find a solution whilst he is still alive. None of us can predict what will happen after his death. So far he has preached and called for non-violence, but we do not know what will eventually happen. . . .”
^^ Megalomania continues to be the bane of some important leaders. A nobel prize, a booker prize, allow flattery; the guys will gift their grandmas. (unlike some hakeems who were contemplating to sell grandma, for a fix of beedis ) http://newsblaze.com/story/200908042131 ... story.html
In a move that has provoked some speculation, the Chinese authorities recently allowed Tibetans in Drango (Chinese: Luohuo) county in Kardze, eastern Tibet (part of modern-day Sichuan province) to celebrate the Dalai Lama's birthday with a prayer ceremony and to display images of the Tibetan religious leader. Any attempt to publicly mark the Dalai Lama's July 6 birthday is generally banned in Tibet.
"The Chinese government considers our problem a domestic one. And we also."
It's a very loaded statement. The BBC headline is also "inverted commas". Obviously when you've annexed something and claim it, it becomes your domestic problem.
Whaever said and done, the legitimacy of the annexation stinks to high heaven.
More than 40 years after bad blood between India and China closed down the Indian consulate in Tibetan capital Lhasa, a Chinese foreign
ministry official says New Delhi can re-open it any time it wants.
"India can set up a consulate in Lhasa," said Jujian Hua, director at Tibet's Foreign Affairs Office. "That depends on India."
With the 13th round of border talks between India and China resuming in New Delhi earlier this month, Beijing is emphasizing that it wants improved relations with its southern neighbour.
"The (resumption of) cross-border talks between China and India represents a great step in the relationship between the two countries," Jujian told a visiting IANS correspondent.
A Tibetan youth named Pasang Norbu was detained at about 1 p.m. on Aug. 12 for surfing ‘reactionary’ Web sites,” a source in Lhasa said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
“He was detained at a cyber café called Zhijian Wang, on the Tsangral Road in Lhasa,” the source said. “The Web monitoring unit of the Lhasa Public Security Bureau was tracking him, and they informed the local criminal investigation unit, which rushed to the cyber café and took him away.”
The report also said that Norbu had violated Article 25, Subclause 1, of the People's Republic of China Public Order Administration Punishment Law by downloading the restricted material.
Norbu, 19, is a resident of the Tren Kon subdivision of Lhasa city, according to the report.
Taiwan, challenging China, to let Dalai Lama visit
TAIPEI (Reuters) - Taiwan, which turned away the Dalai Lama last year on fears of upsetting China, has approved a visit by the Tibetan spiritual leader next week to comfort victims of a deadly typhoon, the government said on Thursday.
Indian government is in mortal fear of China, still fearful of 1962 thrashing it got from China. Stuck to Nehruvian times and quagmired by internal disorder and corruption, even initiatives by intelligence and security apparatus are sold out, for kickbacks.
Look at the politics over border fencing with Bangladesh, it is a political issue in Meghalaya, India is a country where bribe can get you anything, and this China has realized, anything it can do here by paying the right people.
New Delhi, Dec 31 : Tibetans-in-exile in India held a protest march here today against China's suppression of Tibetan nationals in Nyagchuka County in Tibet.
The protest march was held under the banner of the Tibetan Youth Congress, a worldwide organisation representing Tibetans-in-exile.
In my very humble opinion, the name of this thread should be changed to India - Tibet News and Discussion or Tibet News and Discussion because then it would emphasize Tibet as an independent country. Just a suggestion.
---
"There is no religious independence in Tibet and that is why I am still suffering the pain of being a refugee," the Tibetan spiritual leader said at the concluding session of his five-day discourse to foreigners held at the Kalchakra maidan here.
CHANDRAGIRI (GAJAPATI District): Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama on Tuesday lauded India's secular policy, while expressing confidence over the possible rise in tourism at Chandragiri where he inaugurated the biggest monastery in South-East Asia.
Tibetians are butchered every year without the knowledge of the outside world. No one to ask for any thing for the sake of friendship and relationship! Ofcourse no country is perfect but Chinese is the worse in terms of dealing with non-Chinese particularly Tibetians whom they hate for ever unless they are clonised to Chinese!!
The state-run China Tibet Information Centre has said that the Dalai Lama's recent statement describing himself as "son of India" show he has become subservient to his "Indian masters" while trying to deny his Chinese citizenship.
What a language the Chinese use regarding India. I think India government needs to step up Tibetian Freedom and Autonomy issue. I do think Chinese mentality has changed with their experience during the Olympics. They still tend to live in 50s and take their country to 50s. The Red Army and their chief behaves worse than their Capistalist masters to their own people in China and for Tibetians and non-Chinese in China it is pathetic situation.
The Sun Behind the Clouds' to be screened in India
Phayul[Friday, January 29, 2010 19:05]
Dharamsala, Jan 29: 'The Sun Behind the Clouds: Tibet's Struggle for Freedom,’ a documentary film that was recently declared an “audience documentary favorite” at the 21st Annual Palm Springs International Film Festival, will have its Mumbai and Dehi premières next month, its Delhi-based filmmakers have announced.
Torture is used by China as a weapon against dissent, creating a climate of fear.
Torture must stop.
To shine a spotlight on the widespread use of torture in Tibet British actors lent their voices to Tibetan torture survivors who can not speak out for themselves. Watch Dominic West, Juliet Stevenson and David Threlfall and listen to Alan Rickman.
More than national pride is at stake for the ruling elite, however. Like any dictatorship, it is much more terrified of its own people than of other nations.
Beijing, Feb. 1 (Agencies): Chinese officials told envoys of the Dalai Lama there would be no compromise on China’s control of Tibet and that communist rule was a boon to the mountain region, state media said today......
The representatives of the Dalai Lama, exiled from his homeland since 1959, arrived in China last month after Beijing laid out a new policy approach that for the first time includes all Tibetan regions, including those outside the official Tibetan Autonomous Region.
But Du Qinglin, the Chinese Communist Party official in charge of dealings with religious and ethnic groups, said his government would never back down from claiming full sovereignty over Tibet.
“There is no space at all for any discussion of sovereignty and territorial issues, and not the slightest room for any concessions,” Du told the envoys, according to the report......
While there is stalemate between China and the Dalai Lama, however what is of import is that China is including all Tibetan regions including those not taken to be a part of TAR.
One wonders if it is to appease the Tibetans in China that China recognises their ethnicity and is giving them more that what was in the past under the Dalai Lama and so China is more concerned about Tibetans and their aspirations than the Dalai Lama.
A way to buy peace with the Tibetans in China?
China eyes grand plan to develop Tibetan regions
BEIJING – China's top leaders say Tibet's development must include Tibetan areas in neighboring provinces — a move likely aimed at tying the region tighter to the rest of the country after deadly riots two years ago.
Chinese President Hu Jintao told the first high-level meeting on Tibet in nine years that the development would require hard work to prevent "penetration and sabotage" by separatists working for Tibet's independence, the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported late Friday.
Hu also said at this week's meeting that residents' awareness of being part of China should be constantly enhanced, Xinhua reported.....
China's leaders agreed in the meeting Monday through Wednesday to develop Tibetan regions in neighbouring Sichuan, Gansu, Yunnan and Qinghai provinces as well, Xinhua said. Most, if not all, saw protests shortly after the 2008 violence.
One expert on Tibet said China's leaders like to "homogenize" Tibet's problems as a development issue to downplay the region's distinct culture......
TIBET here means the whole of Tibet known as Cholka-Sum (U-Tsang, Kham and Amdo). It includes the present-day Chinese administrative areas of the so-called Tibet Autonomous Region, Qinghai Province, two Tibetan Autonomous Prefectures and one Tibetan Autonomous County in Sichuan Province, one Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture and one Tibetan Autonomous County in Gansu Province and one Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture in Yunnan Province.
China should grand a kind semi autonomy to Tibet!
withdraw arms from Tibet Border to Chinese Border! Make Tibet a Miltary free Zone!
This has a potential ability to bring many problems to end!
It is China which intimidate others. So childish to object to everything including Obama and Dalai Lama's meeting. In everything Chinese red army leaders think they can threaten countries and their leaders as if they threaten their own people - at gun point!!!
joshvajohn wrote:'
It is China which intimidate others. So childish to object to everything including Obama and Dalai Lama's meeting. In everything Chinese red army leaders think they can threaten countries and their leaders as if they threaten their own people - at gun point!!!
I support Tibetian people for their right to get at least limited autonomy.
What happens between Dalai Lama and Obama is a symbolic meeting - affirming support to the argument that in spite of good relationship with China US president respects the people in Tibet and so respects Dalai Lama by meeting him. This has nothing to do with Chinese. I do not know why they are bothered here. Obama's meeting is in no way giving support to the claims of Tibetian people. At least the human rights abuses by red army in Tibet have been questioned by some countries. If Obama makes like previous US presidents a ritual statement about the need for Chinese to be careful in human rights violation in Tibet it will be greatly appreciated.
More than Dalai Lama I would support Tibetian people who aspire for their freedom at least through some semi autonomous status and free military Zone. It is Tibetian people that matters for me not even their Chinese appointed leaders and Dalai Lama who has not gone beyond his concept of non-violence even though the Chinese has used extreme violence against Tibetian people including executing many of his own monks there.
In every direction Chinese keep pushing their borders. They use their threat and loud voice as a kind of persuasive element on their own people and also on their neighbouring countries. So they tend to use similar kind of threat even on US president Obama for meeting Dalai Lama. This is what I criticise in my previous post. I do try not to take sides though often end up taking one.
Nepal should not play the Chinese game. otherwise India should turn Nepal into a multiparty system. Non-interference will not help for our strategies.
Sorry to deviate a bit from Tibetian issue!
What I like about Hinduism is that it provides a source of knowledge to everyone. Then it was also providing a space for new thoughts and patterns of philosophy to emerge and thus prevail through an argument over the past ones. In such case Buddhism have evolved in such process as a reconstruction of some of the ancient tradition of Indian philosphy,culture and belief system. Again it is the Western thought pattern to divide culture and religion which is impossible to do in many of our contexts. No religion/philosophy can claim to be completely distinctive of the other. As a way of life Hindu thoughts have pervaded many of the western mind though many would not accept it as Hindu thoughts. So Buddhism too has made a huge influence in many of the religious scholars' thinking both in Middle East and in the West historically and even today. Both Buddhism and Hinduism have evolved philosophically and culturally with an Indian background. They are like brothers and sisters of the same family (I like to think this way).
)