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eklavya,

Ukraine is not breaking up. I am surprised at winter fighting, but it is really naive to think the issues will end if there is a partition at dnieper.

Russia has to drive a line in the sand and show that the cost to a revolution is unbearable for EU and the west. To do that it must continuously keep both economic and military pressure.

Remember Afghanistan and the long distance re. supply lines. EU/US supply lines are worse. The eastern europeans can supply bodies. But there isnt any hardware left that will seriously bother the russians. The EU spent years stripping them of any capability. Poles can talk, but when it comes to giving ukraine actual support they too have nothing except east german migs or second hand F16s.
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eklavya wrote:^^^^
Sir, I think you are insinuating that it was the fault of the Poles. If so, please say so and justify your answer with some good sources.
No-actually, it was not exactly the fault of the Poles. But the reasons have been carefully examined by Raul Hilberg in his book `Destruction of the European Jews'. Polish culpability goes only so far - they were considered very unlikely to ask inconvenient questions about what was happening to the Jews in these camps, & so, it was deemed safe to build extermination camps there. In fact, when poorly burnt bodies gave out a terrible stench at Sobibor (the smell could be felt as much as 10kms away, according to Strangl, the physician who was overseeing the murder of the Jews), the Poles didn't try to find out what was happening there.

There were other reasons why Poland was chosen-it had lots of forests & streams, where extermination camps could be built and ashes disposed, it was well away from all war fronts, & most importantly, it was close to heavily Jewish populated areas & was well served by railways, so Jews could be transported there efficiently from all over Europe.
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There were other powerful nations who knew and did not act:

http://history.hanover.edu/hhr/94/hhr94_5.html
Ultimately, it was the information pushed through underground channels that culminated in the exposure of Hitler's Final Solution. This discovery drastically altered people's perceptions by replacing the suspicions of random atrocities imposed on various peoples with evidence of a systematic plan for the extermination of one people. In the summer of 1942, however, news to that effect began to emerge. In July, a document issued by the Polish government-in-exile in London reported that 700,000 Jews, mostly Poles, had been killed by the Germans since the September 1939 invasion. According to Morse, the report entailed a "city-by-city roll call of death" in which as many as 1,000 died per day. Furthermore, Zygielbojm, whose wife and two children had perished at the hands of the Nazis, testified on the BBC that the report was true. The World Jewish Congress added that every Jew's destination was a "vast slaughterhouse" in Eastern Europe, and that since 1939, an estimated million or more Jews had been killed. These initial reports regarding the Jews' grisly fate were widely publicized. [11]

On August 1, 1942, "history thrust a terrible burden" upon Gerhart Riegner, a member of the World Jewish Congress in Geneva, when he discovered through an informant that Hitler had ordered the deaths of all Europe's Jews. [12] Riegner passed on the information to the State Department, which decided to suppress the report until further confirmation was obtained. In the following weeks, numerous reports substantiating the Riegner allegations materialized. Ambassador Anthony J. Drexel Biddle, Jr. forwarded the Czechoslovak document which stated that "there is no precedent for such organized wholesale dying in all Jewish history, nor indeed in the whole history of mankind." Dr. Donald A. Lowrie, an American representative to the YMCA who was observing deportations of Jews from unoccupied France to Poland, also sent a report to the State Department. A non-Jew who had escaped from Poland provided information on the liquidation of the Warsaw ghetto. [13] By November, through a series of diplomatic exchanges, various affidavits were obtained which provided new, independent testimony. [14]

(32)Though not privy to documents crossing State Department desks, the American people were not blind to the genocide unfolding halfway around the world. The newspaper became the most prevalent medium for informing the people. David Wyman, in The Abandonment of the Jews: America and the Holocaust, 1941-1945, emphasized that the American press did little to publicize news of the Holocaust and stir public activism, and he blamed the press as one of the groups which failed the Jews during the war. [15] Although coverage was sometimes scant and often relegated to inner pages, the information was still available to the American public. During the summer of 1942, newspapers acknowledged the various reports of Nazi atrocities. On June 27, for example, the New York Times published about two inches on page five regarding the Polish government's report, which was also broadcast on the BBC and CBS radio, of 700,000 Jews slain by the Nazis. The article quoted the statement: "To accomplish this, probably the greatest mass slaughter in history, every death-dealing method was employed--machine-gun bullets, hand grenades, gas chambers, concentration camps, whipping, torture instruments, and starvation."[16] Three days later, a longer article under the headline "1,000,000 Jews Slain By Nazis, Report Says," appeared in the New York Times detailing the World Jewish Congress report. [17]
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Ukraine is already partitioned.
Different leaders, different opposing armies. Different economy. Different foreign policy. Only the borders remain to be decided.
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^^ If we take this approach, afghanistan and pakistan are also partitioned. Syria and iraq, yemen, and sudan twice over. Nigeria doesnt seem to be able to do much, and mali is only together while the french are there. Having an opponent and some land mass under disputed control doesnt partition anything. Russia has not even recognized LNR/DNR. Ukraine, if its partitioned will end up without black sea. Otherwise there is no point to partitioning. A land route to moldova solves a lot of problems for russia, and makes NATO a bit more uneasy.

I stick to the no partition scheme as far as russia is concerned, and a quick partition as far as US/EU. Current fighting in debeltesevo? will provide tactical insights. Lets see whetherbit ends up being snother airport situation or a reversal or worse.

Re. poland -- they have issues. Any country with their last 70 year history would end up with baggage. If they channel the energy towards non-war efforts, it would be better.
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If we take this approach, afghanistan and pakistan are also partitioned. Syria and iraq, yemen, and sudan twice over. Nigeria doesnt seem to be able to do much, and mali is only together while the french are there.
Quite correct. Its actually the international recognition that doesnt matter much. ISIS controls a territory and is ruling it. They also have widespread support in the sunni regions of Iraq and Syria. Whether we want to acknowledge it or bury our head in sand is our problem.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020
French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack
A man wielding a knife has attacked three soldiers patrolling outside a Jewish community centre in Nice, in the south of France.

The soldiers were wounded and police said the assailant was captured.

Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi told French TV that a second man had been arrested in connection with the stabbing.

The attacker was expelled from Turkey last week and questioned upon his return, French media reported.
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Our view on developments in the EU, for a change

http://swarajyamag.com/world/paris-atta ... far-right/
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^^Purpose already being served

First comment, by "Samsghost" is: "UKIP isn't "far right". "Far Right" is a label that is used to describe fascists and neo-Nazis which UKIP is not. "

Those who were warring across the boards, and the interwebs saying "BJP isn't fascist... they are not fanatics" must be able to recognise.

Turn your gaze on the gazers people.
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A lesson in moral warfare.
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HSBC,aka,"High Society's Bank for Crooks"!

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... e-millions
HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions

Data in massive cache of leaked secret bank account files lift lid on questionable practices at subsidiary of one of world’s biggest financial institutions
HSBC’s Swiss banking arm helped wealthy customers dodge taxes and conceal millions of dollars of assets, doling out bundles of untraceable cash and advising clients on how to circumvent domestic tax authorities, according to a huge cache of leaked secret bank account files.

The files – obtained through an international collaboration of news outlets, including the Guardian, the French daily Le Monde, BBC Panorama and the Washington-based International Consortium of Investigative Journalists – reveal that HSBC’s Swiss private bank:

• Routinely allowed clients to withdraw bricks of cash, often in foreign currencies of little use in Switzerland.

• Aggressively marketed schemes likely to enable wealthy clients to avoid European taxes.

• Colluded with some clients to conceal undeclared “black” accounts from their domestic tax authorities.

• Provided accounts to international criminals, corrupt businessmen and other high-risk individuals.

The HSBC files, which cover the period 2005-2007, amount to the biggest banking leak in history, shedding light on some 30,000 accounts holding almost $120bn (£78bn) of assets.

The revelations will amplify calls for crackdowns on offshore tax havens and stoke political arguments in the US, Britain and elsewhere in Europe where exchequers are seen to be fighting a losing battle against fleet-footed and wealthy individuals in the globalised world.

Approached by the Guardian, HSBC, the world’s second largest bank, has now admitted wrongdoing by its Swiss subsidiary. “We acknowledge and are accountable for past compliance and control failures,” the bank said in a statement. The Swiss arm, the statement said, had not been fully integrated into HSBC after its purchase in 1999, allowing “significantly lower” standards of compliance and due diligence to persist.

That response raises serious questions about oversight of the Swiss operation by the then senior executives of its parent company, HSBC Group, headquartered in London. It has now acknowledged that it was not until 2011 that action was taken to bring the Swiss bank into line. “HSBC was run in a more federated way than it is today and decisions were frequently taken at a country level,” the bank said.

HSBC was headed during the period covered in the files by Stephen Green – now Lord Green – who served as the global bank’s chief executive, then group chairman until 2010 when he left to become a trade minister in the House of Lords for David Cameron’s new government. He declined to comment when approached by the Guardian.

Although tax authorities around the world have had confidential access to the leaked files since 2010, the true nature of the Swiss bank’s misconduct has never been made public until now. Hollywood stars, shopkeepers, royalty and clothing merchants feature in the files along with the heirs to some of Europe’s biggest fortunes.

In one memo, an HSBC manager is recorded discussing how a London-based financier whom the bank codenamed “Painter”, and his partner, could cheat on Italian tax. “The risk for the couple is, of course, that when they return to Italy the UK tax authorities will pass on information on them to the Italian tax authorities. My own view on this was that … there clearly was a risk.”

According to the files, HSBC’s Swiss bankers were also prepared to help Emmanuel Shallop, who was subsequently convicted of dealing in “blood diamonds”, the illegal trade that fuelled war in Africa.

One memo records: “We have opened a company account for him based in Dubai … The client is currently being very careful because he is under pressure from the Belgian tax authorities who are investigating his activities in the field of diamond tax evasion.”

The records indicate HSBC managers were untroubled that a customer collecting cash bundles of kroner might be breaking Danish law. HSBC staff were instructed: “All contacts through one of her 3 daughters living in London. Account holder living in Denmark, i.e. critical as it is a criminal act having an account abroad non declared.”

HSBC’s Swiss bankers routinely handed over large sums of cash to visiting clients, asking few questions, the files show. The bank said it had since tightened its controls. “The amended terms and conditions allowed the private bank to refuse a cash withdrawal request, and placed strict controls on withdrawals over $10,000 [£6,600],” its statement said.

One example of the old system detailed in the files involves Richard Caring, a British tycoon and owner of London’s celebrity-packed Ivy restaurant, who on one day in 2005 removed 5m Swiss francs (£2.25m) in cash. When the Guardian asked him why, he declined to explain. His lawyer said it was a private matter and involved no impropriety. Caring’s UK tax status allowed him legally to keep his accounts secret from the tax authorities.

The files show how HSBC in Switzerland keenly marketed tax avoidance strategies to its wealthy clients. The bank proactively contacted clients in 2005 to suggest ways to avoid a new tax levied on the Swiss savings accounts of EU citizens, a measure brought in through a treaty between Switzerland and the EU to tackle secret offshore accounts.

The documents also show HSBC’s Swiss subsidiary providing banking services to relatives of dictators, people implicated in African corruption scandals, arms industry figures and others. Swiss banking rules have since 1998 required high levels of diligence on the accounts of politically connected figures, but the documents suggest that at the time HSBC happily provided banking services to such controversial individuals.

The Guardian’s evidence of a pattern of misconduct at HSBC in Switzerland is supported by the outcome of recent court cases in the US and Europe. The bank was named in the US as a co-conspirator for handing over “bricks” of $100,000 a time to American surgeon Andrew Silva in Geneva, so that he could illegally post cash back to the US.

Another US client, Sanjay Sethi, pleaded guilty in 2013 to cheating the US tax authorities. He was one of a group of convicted HSBC clients. The prosecution said an HSBC banker promised “the undeclared account would allow [his] assets to grow tax-free, and bank secrecy laws in Switzerland would allow Sethi to conceal the existence of the account”.

In France, an HSBC manager, Nessim el-Maleh, was able to run a cash pipeline in which plastic bags full of currency from the sale of marijuana to immigrants in the Paris suburbs were collected. The cash was then taken round to HSBC’s respectable clients in the French capital. Bank accounts back in Switzerland were manipulated to reimburse the drug dealers.

HSBC is already facing criminal investigations and charges in France, Belgium, the US and Argentina as a result of the leak of the files, but no legal action has been taken against it in Britain.

Former tax inspector Richard Brooks tells BBC Panorama in a programme to be aired on Monday night: “I think they were a tax avoidance and tax evasion service. I think that’s what they were offering.

“There are very few reasons to have an offshore bank account, apart from just saving tax. There are some people who can use an ... account to avoid tax legally. For others it’s just a way to keep money secret.”

The Labour party said: “Tax avoidance and evasion harms every taxpayer in Britain, and undermines public services like the NHS. What is truly shocking is that HMRC were made fully aware of these practices back in 2010 but since then very little has been done.”
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 35837.html
Germany rejects Greece's demands for $11 billion of Second World War reparations
Germany has said a firm “nein” to Greece’s request for $11 billion (£7 billion) of Second World War reparations, calling the new government’s claims “baseless”.

The German foreign ministry and Ministry of Finance said there is “no new position” to discuss on the case, which it believes was closed by previous treaties.

To the federal government, the question of compensation for Nazi injustice and atrocities is “finally settled”, according to Bild newspaper.

Greece’s Syriza-headed government is demanding compensation for the Axis occupation, when tens of thousands of people were killed or died of starvation, as well as the repayment of a forced loan from Athens in 1942.

Greece’s newly appointed Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, at a ceremony in Athens yesterday, marking the execution of Greek resistance members by the Nazis during the Second World War (Reuters) Alexis Tsipras at a ceremony in Athens marking the execution of Greek resistance members by the Nazis during the Second World War But Germany’s Vice Chancellor claimed there is no chance of paying Greece the money because a treaty signed 25 years ago had wrapped up all such claims.

“The probability is zero,” Sigmar Gabriel said.

The demand for compensation was revived by a previous Greek government in 2013 but not pursued.

Sigmar Gabriel has anoounced Sigmar Gabriel, the leader of German's SPD party, said there is 'zero' chance of Germany giving Greece more reparations Greece's left-wing Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, used his first major speech to parliament on Sunday to vow to seek war reparations from Berlin, as well as setting out plans to dismantle Greece's austerity programme and ruling out any extension of its €240 billion international bailout.

Many Greeks blame Germany one of the EU’s most powerful economies for its enforced austerity, leading to the revival of the dormant claim against Berlin.

Greece's new finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, drew a parallel between his country’s far-right Golden Dawn party and the rise of Nazism in a bankrupt Germany in the 1930s, suggesting austerity was again fuelling extremism.

Supporters of the left-wing Syriza party in Athens hold a placard that reads: Supporters of the left-wing Syriza party in Athens hold a placard that reads: "This is a really good night Mrs Merkel" (PA) His government claims its 476 million Reichsmark loan to Germany from 1942 would now be worth $11 billion, although the Bundestag but the figure in 2012 as $8.25 billion.

Germany denies owing anything more after the 115 million marks it paid in 1960 in one of 12 war compensation deals it signed with Western nations.

But Athens has said it always considered that money as an initial payment, with the rest of its claims to be discussed after German reunification.

A German military convoy overtakes a group of Greek peasants on a rural track during the early stages of the German occupation of Greece in 1941 A German military convoy overtakes a group of Greek peasants on a rural track during the early stages of the German occupation of Greece in 1941 The 1990 “Treaty on the Final Settlement with respect to Germany”, also known as the “Two plus Four Treaty” was signed by East and West Germany and the Allies shortly before reunification.

Under its terms, the four powers renounced all rights they formerly held in Germany. For Berlin, the document which was also approved by Greece among other nations, effectively drew a line under possible future claims for war reparations.

The issue is a sideshow to the new Greek government’s main pledge to renegotiate its crippling debt agreements.

Defence Minister Panos Kammenos said that if it failed to reach a desired deal with the Eurozone, it could look elsewhere for help.

“What we want is a deal. But if there is no deal - hopefully (there will be) - and if we see that Germany remains rigid and wants to blow apart Europe, then we have the obligation to go to Plan B. Plan B is to get funding from another source,” he told a Greek television show.

“It could the United States at best, it could be Russia, it could be China or other countries.”

Mr Kammenos is the leader of Independent Greeks, a nationalist anti-bailout party that is Syriza’s junior coalition partner.

Additional reporting by Reuters
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 247903.cms
Zimeray told AFP the attackers were seeking to replicate the January 7 assault by jihadists in Paris on satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo that left 12 dead.

"They shot from the outside (and) had the same intention as Charlie Hebdo, only they didn't manage to get in," Zimeray said by telephone from the venue.
Reports said that Swedish artist Lars Vilks, the author of controversial Prophet Muhammad cartoons published in 2007 that sparked worldwide protests, was also at the debate.
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The europeans lectured, at length, the government and the public. They have lectured extensively to me, and if your memory goes back, surely you too.

The shoe is on the other foot. Squarely. Who is lecturing now? And why or why not?

By the way, just because ukraine is the flavor of the month, doesnt mean syria or iraq or yemen or pakistan dont exist.

Bloody $%%^&** s.
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Another lecture coming their way tomorrow...
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ister.html
Italy is a dying country as babies no longer replace people who die, says health minister
The country's birth rate falls to its lowest level - 8.4 per cent per 1,000 people - since the foundation of the modern state in 1861

Beatrice Lorenzin, the minister of health, has called Italy “a dying country" Photo: Elisabetta Villa/Getty Images
Nick Squires By Nick Squires, Rome7:25PM GMT 13 Feb 2015
Italy’s birth rate has fallen to its lowest level since the foundation of the modern state in 1861, prompting fresh alarm in a society that has been steadily ageing for decades.
The number of births per 1,000 people has fallen to just 8.4 per cent, down from 38.3 per cent when Italy’s territories and kingdoms were unified a century and a half ago.
In Britain and the United States, the figures are 12 per cent and 13 per cent respectively.
Last year 509,000 babies were born in Italy, 5,000 fewer than in 2013.

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The mortality rate also declined last year, stretching life expectancy for Italian women to 85 years, while the average man will live to 80.
Beatrice Lorenzin, the minister of health, said: “We are at the threshold where people who die are not being replaced by newborns. That means we are a dying country.
"This situation has enormous implications for every sector: the economy, society, health, pensions, just to give a few examples."
Italy’s five million immigrants, out of an overall population of 60 million, are also having fewer children, having previously registered high birth rates.

The birth rate among immigrants has fallen to 1.9 children per woman, its lowest level for five years.
Overall, the number of couples choosing not to have children has increased to 40 per cent in the last decade. Italian women have 1.39 children on average, against an EU average of 1.58.

The birth rate decline was blamed on years of economic recession and high unemployment. The birth rate is lowest in the Mezzogiorno, or south of Italy, where the recession has hit hardest. Sardinia, for example, had a birth rate of 7.1 per cent.
The average age at which Italian women have their first child has been creeping up for years and is now at 31 years and six months.
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/15 ... p=trending

Carnival parade in Germany canceled because of terror threat
Police spokesman Thomas Geese said police received credible information that there was a "concrete threat of an attack with an Islamist background" on Sunday's parade and therefore called on all visitors to stay at home.
The city's mayor, Ulrich Markurth, said the cancellation marked a "sad day for our city ... and a sad day for our democratic society."
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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... cmpid=yhoo
Valery Giscard d'Estaing, a former French president and one of the key architects of Europe's grand unification project, says Greece needs to leave the euro because its economy needs a weaker currency to recuperate. "The fundamental question is, can the Greek economy get going again and prosper with a currency as strong as the euro?" he said in an interview this week with French newspaper Les Echos. "The response is clearly negative." He may be correct. But that's something for Greece to decide for itself, not for its colleagues to impose, and certainly not for Germany to dictate.
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Anders Östlund ‏@andersostlund 5m5 minutes ago
Sweden one of least corrupt countries in world, yet I could go on for hours about relatives of senior politicians "randomly" getting jobs.
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Paul wrote:
Anders Östlund ‏@andersostlund 5m5 minutes ago
Sweden one of least corrupt countries in world, yet I could go on for hours about relatives of senior politicians "randomly" getting jobs.
Nepotism is very common in Nordic countries. They advice people to make contacts and get jobs. It's very difficult to get in as an outsider. Especially, if you are an immigrant.
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I suppose there is nothing objectionable about this -- http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31629543
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Shreemanji, Wotwot..No long speeches from Barack Obama or lengthy reports from the mofos in the USCIRF on lack of "Religious freedom" in Austria? But it seems like a perfectly fine way to keep saudi money out of Austrian mosques -- but the austrians can do this by declaring Islam as a state religion is appears, and so it can control how Islam propagates in the country...pretty slick. However, it will be politically infeasible for India to follow this path most likely, since there are literally too many religions to count in India, not to mention this confusion about Hinduism as a religion rather than a cultural edifice.
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Austria (or australia for that matter) has always been in front in this matter (see hee-T-ler), and their politics is returning roundly to that subject for last 15 years.

I say more power to them, never mind the rest of europe or US(which doesnt comment on anti islam things, only anti christian things done by hindus).

It is a good start towards harmonization of europe. One law wont cut it, you need to train people in outdoor activities -- like camping!
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/ ... OT20150304

Ukraine crisis prompts EU to shake up stance on neighbors
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European defence R&D has fallen 'catastrophically', new EDA chief states

Brooks Tigner, Brussels - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
05 March 2015

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Spending on defence research and development has fallen catastrophically since 2006 according to the new head of the EDA
In total spending among the 27 EDA members on R&D has dropped by 40% over this period
Defence expenditure for research and development (R&D) across the European Defence Agency's (EDA's) 27 nations has fallen "catastrophically", according to the agency's new head.

Speaking on 4 March Jorge Domecq said new incentives must be found to reverse the trend and address Europe's capability gaps. All EU countries belong to the agency except Denmark.

"The figures are quite worrying. Since 2006 there's been a decline of EUR20 billion (USD21.9 billion) or a 40% decrease in R&D spending by the member states.
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Leipzig University website reports that Prof Annette Beck-Sickinger, chair of biochemistry at the university who made the sick generalisation that all Indian males are rapists, has apparently apologised though claiming the offensive bits "has been put together from individual segments taken from different mails."

That however may not end the matter as Prof. Sickinger's correpondence had indicated that there was a collective consensus among a number of Germany female academics to not accept male Indian students as interns. The India Today article posted above reports that Prof. Sikinger in justifying her sick generalisation of Indian Males as rapists had said “many female professors in Germany decided to no longer accept male Indian students.” :

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Professor Annette Beck-Sickinger apologizes for her statements made to student from India

Leipzig University Professor of Biochemistry Annette Beck-Sickinger apologised on Monday for her comments to a student from India about social conditions in his country: "I have made a mistake."

The professor recently turned down the student’s email application for an internship because no openings were available. The student did not accept her reasoning and involved her in a discussion about the social conditions in Germany and India. In her response, she mentioned the problem of women in India being raped.

"It was never my intention to make a defamatory comment about Indian society. I do not have anything against Indian students - on the contrary. I sincerely apologise to anyone whose feelings I may have hurt." In her module 'Bioorganic Chemistry’ in the International Masters Programme, four of her thirty students are from India. At present, two guest students from India are already participating in her current laboratory internship.

She refuted the assumption that she turned down the young Indian student’s application for an internship because of the problem of violence against women in India. Professor Beck-Sickinger stated: "I never wrote the mail in this way, it has been put together from individual segments taken from different mails." She wrote to the student that there were no openings available in the laboratory and she stressed: "I do not reject students because of reasons of race or gender." Her comments were taken out of context, Beck-Sickinger said. "I am by no means racist or xenophobic in any way."

The president of University of Leipzig, Professor Beate Schücking, emphasized the open-mindedness of the University, there is no room for racist statements or thinking. She contended: "The percentage of students from abroad in Leipzig has increased every year and young students from abroad are most welcome. Professor Beck-Sickinger is a member of several academic and administrative bodies with a great array of international contacts. From the point of view of the University she has followed the correct and suitable path to avoid misunderstandings and to express her apologies."

At the moment 44 students from India are registered with University of Leipzig, 15 of them are female.
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Maybe time to consider all german women as racist scum who are yet to explain how and why they allowed the Nazis to exterminate all the jews and why those jews are not back in Germany and have chosen to stay away -- let us not forget Hitler's birth, and coincidentally, then entire gang of nazis was the fault of german women. Not being born in 1944 is just a lame excuse for hateful German women and the bigotry they are responsible for.
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^^ Isnt it another generalisation just like the one by the german praf.
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arun wrote:

Leipzig University website reports that Prof Annette Beck-Sickinger, chair of biochemistry at the university who made the sick generalisation that all Indian males are rapists, has apparently apologised though claiming the offensive bits "has been put together from individual segments taken from different mails."

That however may not end the matter as Prof. Sickinger's correpondence had indicated that there was a collective consensus among a number of Germany female academics to not accept male Indian students as interns. The India Today article posted above reports that Prof. Sikinger in justifying her sick generalisation of Indian Males as rapists had said “many female professors in Germany decided to no longer accept male Indian students.” :

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Professor Annette Beck-Sickinger apologizes for her statements made to student from India

Leipzig University Professor of Biochemistry Annette Beck-Sickinger apologised on Monday for her comments to a student from India about social conditions in his country: "I have made a mistake."

The professor recently turned down the student’s email application for an internship because no openings were available. The student did not accept her reasoning and involved her in a discussion about the social conditions in Germany and India. In her response, she mentioned the problem of women in India being raped.

"It was never my intention to make a defamatory comment about Indian society. I do not have anything against Indian students - on the contrary. I sincerely apologise to anyone whose feelings I may have hurt." In her module 'Bioorganic Chemistry’ in the International Masters Programme, four of her thirty students are from India. At present, two guest students from India are already participating in her current laboratory internship.

She refuted the assumption that she turned down the young Indian student’s application for an internship because of the problem of violence against women in India. Professor Beck-Sickinger stated: "I never wrote the mail in this way, it has been put together from individual segments taken from different mails." She wrote to the student that there were no openings available in the laboratory and she stressed: "I do not reject students because of reasons of race or gender." Her comments were taken out of context, Beck-Sickinger said. "I am by no means racist or xenophobic in any way."

The president of University of Leipzig, Professor Beate Schücking, emphasized the open-mindedness of the University, there is no room for racist statements or thinking. She contended: "The percentage of students from abroad in Leipzig has increased every year and young students from abroad are most welcome. Professor Beck-Sickinger is a member of several academic and administrative bodies with a great array of international contacts. From the point of view of the University she has followed the correct and suitable path to avoid misunderstandings and to express her apologies."

At the moment 44 students from India are registered with University of Leipzig, 15 of them are female.
Arun,

In my continued quest to put my foot in my own mouth, let me say that I do not find the chain of events believable from the professor's reply/perspective. In knowing many a event of this type, it is no more reasonable than a reply that Hitler has made all german nationals ineligible for a visa.

You are NOT obligated to reply to these solicitations. With the advent of mass marketing, students scrape correspondence addresses from journal articles and then mass e-mail. Often in a way that would guarantee that they will never be looked at -- for example, addressing the letter to a first student author as professor or to many professors in general as "dear professor". There really is no way to stop these emails, if they once start flowing.

Many on this forum are known to be inflicted this pain, permanently. This is the foot in mouth part.

So for this individual to not mark this prospective solicitation as spam and move on is unimaginable. If she had the time to formulate that language, then this is a very present, and unfortunately, broad and common problem.

No politically correct apology is changing these facts.
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RSoami wrote:^^ Isnt it another generalisation just like the one by the german praf.
There is a difference between the German treatment after WW2, and the approach of shame forced upon the japanese.

The german problem is cast upon as a "Hitler problem" with individuals of the era still being hunted today. However, for most people born one generation removed from the war, there is no societal responsibility or narrative -- quite unlike the shame of the japanese as a society.

In japan, every single japanese was responsible and will remain so forever. In Germany, Hitler is long dead. And unless caught as a former SS officer, all sins are absolved.

Memories are often short. Both of victories and excesses of that war, or any other attrocity. Otherwise, there is no chance of a ukraine happening again, for example.

Personally, a third generation German escapee to America had no problem telling me that while they did not believe in racism or practice it, racism was a fact of life and that association with me (brown person) would negatively impact their life and prospects. The original escapee was still alive, and according to reports, could never consider such a possibility. I know Germans in heaps, and even some of the language. Havent met a non-racist. Or at least those who were not non-apologetically agnostic about it being a prominent fact of life.

Havent met a German on German soil. How are things in deutsch heartland?
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Even today, Germans have the audacity to talk about "casteist racism" in India while being glibly racist mofos themselves, who will REFUSE to talk to you about their Nazi history...almost like it was just a bad dream for them..they also support's palestine's cause because you see, Jews being in Israel has nothing to do with them. I have been racially abused by some arbitrary german mofos in Dresden and Leipizig a couple of decades ago, and I was just a bloody tourist. Never visiting any racist sh1thole in EU if I can help it.
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RSoami wrote: ^^ Isnt it another generalisation just like the one by the german praf.
Didn't feel like explicitly tagging it with a "sarcasm" tag...hey if that racist german woman can blame all Indian men, then the same can be done to her kind...and I just did that.
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German women love darker guys. The continuum is black and then brown.
This academic is just reflecting that perverse reversal of desire. I am sure there is a term somewhere but you single out and torture that which you are attracted to. The priests did it to the healing wen along them witches.
There I just generalized :)
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Tuvaluan wrote:Maybe time to consider all german women as racist scum who are yet to explain how and why they allowed the Nazis to exterminate all the jews and why those jews are not back in Germany and have chosen to stay away -- let us not forget Hitler's birth, and coincidentally, then entire gang of nazis was the fault of german women. Not being born in 1944 is just a lame excuse for hateful German women and the bigotry they are responsible for.
No!. Asymmetrical is better. Just think of the German sex tourism in Thailand (male German oriented) and Gambia/West Africa (Female Germans getting off on the Schwarzers).

The problem is we lack the media to scream at the inequities in Germany against the Schwarzer volk such as the Turks and the rest of us.

Our media is much more concerned about bad mouthing us. Germany's is also about badmouthing us. It's an unequal media contest.

Is anybody in the media in India really interested in sex tourism/pedophilia by the Europeans who come to India? I would say no.

If GoI had any ba$$, it would declare an advisory for Indian males headed towards Germany: don't go there.
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Tuvaluan,

You need to stop being so angry all the time at the western world. In most of your posts, you just come across as an angry Indian man. This is just an isolated incident. I have been to Germany and met some wonderful people. I had a lovely time and never met any racist people. In fact, a german couple went out of their way to help me out when I found myself in a tight spot. I even attracted the eye of a pretty blue eyed blond girl clearly of German nordic descent and went out with her and had a wonderful evening.

You need to stop with your sweeping generalizations and diatribes against the western world for all of the social evils and ills in India.
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Hitesh,

No, I am not angry -- I just find it amusing that the likes of you come and defend the western world without any prompting, and with personal anecdotes as "proof". That is quite hilarious. Perhaps, my calling "not being born" a lame excuse would have provided enough clues for the more observant in my post generalizing about german women. My personal anecdotes suggest Germans are a bunch of slimy racist scumbags with the sense of humour of a cricket ball, and I'll stick to that.

Yes, you already made it clear you don't like what I post a few weeks ago, and so I don't need advice from the likes of you who are too stupid to comprehend sarcasm. so kindly p!ss off and offer your worthless advice to some who gives a damn, and I say this with all due respect. You are on my ignore list starting now, so please forgive any lack of response. Have a lovely day.
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Hitesh,

The world is not black and white. And one example either way does not change "popular" opinion. i cited an example the other way somewhere. Individuals are what they are, racism remains a major problem in germany.

Like the US issues, paki issues, or UK issues -- a positive experience in Lahore should not make one a WKK. Nor should it make one a hater. It is the wholesome ugliness that forms the impression/opinion.

The Leipzig incident is institutional (see reaction to the oklahama fraternity racist chants for appropriate response). Has anything happened except for "daughters of india" style coverage of the leipzing incident.

The person(s) you met are exceptions to the rule, or US south style educated to not let the obvious out. It is NOT "dogs/indians not allowed" anymore, give them credit that they make you apologize if you put up those signs.
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one thing specific about Germany is that east Germany tends to be more racist than the west ..of late there has been a exponential increase in Indian students to Germany ...that includes east german univs like le-pigs and dresden univ of technology..these regions are prone to violent crimes...there are racial problems against slavs and turks...Indians can easily be mistaken for turks ...I d not be surprised if there is an increase in violence against Indian students from Germany...

once again emphasis on improving quality of education back home in India...le-pigs and dresden is no MIT/Stan...they are mediocre at best..so that we don't need to send kids to those parts of hell...and people should not let there judgements be clouded by blond blue eyed** etc...western germany many be less overtly racist than spain or france ..but is still racist ... and in east Germany , if you talk in english , they ll stare at you like they ve seen an alien...even if they understand every word of what we speak...

Hitler was not an isolated phenomenon but a manifestation of the greater evils within ze German society ...neo nazism is well known in Germany.... nordic h&d is very important to them...


** even slavs can be blond and blue eyed...sharapova for instance...and yet they were considered non whites for citizenship purpose in the US in 1920s...and anti-slavic racism was so essentially a part of German society...before large scale black slaves were available , slavics were used in slave trade ...

so nordic racism is more appropriate than white...
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Gakakkad,

There is the rub. Indeed the "good" indian student no longer tries this "higher ejjukation based immigrashun" route. And there are NO good schools left anywhere either. MITs have all become le-pig. So you have a lot of second and third rung indian colleges sending their students to germany courtesy the newfound disposable incomes. It is the same for students from china.

This will lead to destruction of the US/EU industrial base in a generation. There are no/few good teachers and the local student population treats college as a picnic.

FYI, the DLRs, KTHs and TUMs are all as they say "goo key bhai paad" now.
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