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arunsrinivasan wrote:How China Cooks Its Books
It's an open secret that China has doctored its economic and financial statistics since the time of Mao. But could it all go south now?

In February, local Chinese Labor Ministry officials came to "help" with massive layoffs at an electronics factory in Guangdong province, China. The owner of the factory felt nervous having government officials there, but kept his mouth shut. Who was he to complain that the officials were breaking the law by interfering with the firings, he added. They were the law! And they ordered him to offer his workers what seemed like a pretty good deal: Accept the layoff and receive the legal severance package, or "resign" and get an even larger upfront payment.

"I would estimate around 70 percent of workers took the resignation deal. This is happening all over Guangdong," the factory owner said. "I help the Department of Labor, and they'll help me later on down the line."

Such open-secret programs, writ large, help China manipulate its unemployment rate, because workers who "resign" don't count toward that number. The government estimates that roughly 20 million migrant factory workers have lost their jobs since the downturn started. But, with "resignations" included, the number is likely closer to 40 million or 50 million, according to estimates made by Yiping Huang, chief Asia economist for Citigroup. That is the same size as Germany's entire work force. China similarly distorts everything from its GDP to retail sales figures to production activity. This sort of number-padding isn't just unethical, it's also dangerous: The push to develop rosy economic data could actually lead China's economy over the cliff.

Western media outlets often portray Chinese book-cooking as part and parcel of a monolithic central government and omnipotent Beijing bureaucrats. But the problem is manifold, a product of centralized government as well as decentralized officials.

Pressure to distort or fudge statistics likely comes from up high -- and it's intense. "China announces its annual objective of GDP growth rate each year. In Chinese culture, the government has to reach the objective; otherwise, they will 'lose face,'" said Gary Liu, deputy director of the China Europe International Business School's Lujiazui International Financial Research Center. "For instance, the government announced that it wanted to ensure a GDP growth rate of 8 percent in 2009, and it has become the priority for government officials to meet that objective."

But local and provincial governmental officials are the ones who actually fiddle with the numbers. They retain considerable autonomy and power, and have a self-interested reason to manipulate economic statistics. When they reach or exceed the central government's economic goals, they get rewarded with better jobs or more money. "The higher [their] GDP [figures], the higher the chance will be for local officials to get promoted," explained Liu.

Such statistical creativity is nothing new in China. In 1958, Chairman Mao proclaimed that China would surpass Britain in steel production within 15 years. He mobilized villages throughout China to establish backyard steel furnaces, where in a futile attempt to reach outrageous production goals, villagers could melt down pots and pans and even burn their own furniture for furnace fuel. This effort produced worthless pig iron and diverted enough labor away from agriculture to be a main driver in the devastating famine of the Great Leap Forward.

Last October, Vice Premier Li Keqiang said in a speech after inspecting China's Statistics Bureau, "China's foundation for statistics is still very weak, and the quality of statistics is to be further improved" -- a brutally harsh assessment coming from a top state official.

Indeed, China has predicated its very claim of being the healthiest large economy in the world on faulty statistics. The government insists that even though China's all-important export sector has been devastated -- contracting about 25 percent in the past year -- a massive uptick in domestic consumption has kept factories producing and growth churning along. A close examination of retail sales and GDP growth, however, tells a different story. China's domestic retail sales have risen about 15 percent year on year, but that does not really translate into Chinese consumers purchasing 15 percent more televisions and T-shirts. The country tabulates sales when a factory ships units to a retailer, meaning China includes unused or warehoused inventory in its consumption data. There is ample evidence that state-owned enterprises buy goods from one another, simply shifting products back and forth, and that those transactions count as retail sales in national statistics.

China's retail statistics seem implausible for other reasons, too. They would imply an increase in salaries among Chinese people, allowing them to purchase that extra 15 percent. To be sure, the Statistics Bureau reported salaries had increased 12.9 percent in the first half of 2009. But Chinese netizens complained such numbers were hard to believe -- as did the bureau's chief.

A look at GDP growth also raises serious questions. China's economy grew at an annualized 6.1 percent rate in the first quarter, and 7.9 percent in the second. Yet electricity usage, a key indicator in industrial growth and a harder metric to manipulate, declined 2.2 percent in the first six months of the year. How could an economy largely dependent on manufacturing grow while its industrial sector shrank?

It couldn't; the numbers don't add up. China announced a $600 billion stimulus package (equal to about 14 percent of GDP) last fall. At that point, local governments started counting the dedicated stimulus funds in GDP statistics -- before finding projects to use the funds, and therefore far before the trillions of yuan started trickling into the economy. Local governments keen to raise their growth and production numbers said they spent stimulus money while still deciding on what to spend it, one economist explained. Thus, China's provincial GDP tabulations add up to far more than the countrywide estimate.

Alternative macroeconomic metrics, such as the purchasing managers' index (PMI), which measures output, offer a no more accurate reflection. One private brokerage house, CLSA, compiles its own PMI, suggesting a sharp contraction in industrial output between December 2008 and March 2009. Beijing's PMI data, on the other hand, indicated that industrial output was expanding during that period.

Unfortunately, such obfuscation means China's real economic health is difficult to assess. Most indicators that would help an intrepid economist correct the government numbers -- progress on infrastructure projects, end-user purchases, and the number of "resigned" workers -- are not public.

Still, it is possible to infer the severity of the gap between economic reality and China-on-paper by looking closely at monetary policy. China's state-owned banks dramatically increased lending in the first half of 2009 -- by 34.5 percent year on year, to more than $1 trillion. This move seems intended to keep growth artificially high until exports bounce back. Most analysts agree that it is leading to large bubbles in the stock, real estate, and commodity markets. And the Chinese government recently announced plans to raise capital requirements -- an apparent sign it sees the need to reign in the expansion.

For the long term, China is banking on its main export markets -- in the United States, Europe, and Japan -- recovering and starting to consume again. The hope is that in the meantime, rosy economic figures will placate the masses and stop unrest. But, if the rest of the world does not rebound, China risks the bursting of asset bubbles in property and stocks, declining domestic consumption, and rising unemployment.

That's when the Wile E. Coyote moment could happen. Once Chinese citizens no longer believe that the economy is doing well, social unrest and more widespread worker riots -- already increasing in scope and severity -- are likely. That's something that China will have a harder time hiding. And then we'll know whether China's statistical manipulation was a smart move or a disastrous mistake.
well, agree with you entirly..

all highrises ,expressways, huge seaports,airports , world class factories and "made in china" in your life are all "cooked"
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^^ :D

Liu, couple of points - Am just the messenger, if you have a problem with the message you should pick it up with Foreign Policy & the author of the article. Second, the author highlights some "facts" to bolster his argument, if you have a problem with those "facts" please counter them.

Lastly he (nor am I) is not questioning the achievements of China i.e. the fantastic infrastructure China has created, or the various other economic & industrial achievements, but makes a rather narrow point in whether the economic growth statistics actually add up. To put it in another way the question is not whether China is growing, it obviously is, rather what is the real growth, is it 9-10% (currently 6 - 8%) which is what the govt stats say, or lower.
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arunsrinivasan wrote:^^ :D

Liu, couple of points - Am just the messenger, if you have a problem with the message you should pick it up with Foreign Policy & the author of the article. Second, the author highlights some "facts" to bolster his argument, if you have a problem with those "facts" please counter them.

Lastly he (nor am I) is not questioning the achievements of China i.e. the fantastic infrastructure China has created, or the various other economic & industrial achievements, but makes a rather narrow point in whether the economic growth statistics actually add up. To put it in another way the question is not whether China is growing, it obviously is, rather what is the real growth, is it 9-10% (currently 6 - 8%) which is what the govt stats say, or lower.
let me tell you the truth.

CCP's data is not quite relible,however, the data of the above "west expert " so called is more unreliabe.
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Liu wrote:
well, agree with you entirly..

all highrises ,expressways, huge seaports,airports , world class factories and "made in china" in your life are all "cooked"
Actually, the high rise, expressways etc is technically 'cooked'.

In Communist China, they just order people out and raze the area and build what they want. All they have to do is paste chai 拆 and that means demolish! No questions, no protest allowed! Boom! Dust erupts and a 'miracle' of a highway rises from the dust!!

Compensation paid is marginal and on that there have been protests and even unrest over the same. But these are also handled the Communist way!

Not possible in a democracy unfortunately.
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On how Pakistan saved China from embarrassment
Pakistan played a key role in dissuading certain Muslim countries from taking the issue of violence in China’s Xinjiang region to the Organisation of the Islamic Conference and saved Beijing from embarrassment, Chinese Ambassador Lou Zhaohui said on Friday.

“Yes, Pakistan played its role in doing so,” the ambassador said in response to a question, adding that certain western countries were fanning the Muslim Uighurs’ issue to incite violence.

Addressing reporters at the Chinese embassy highlight the importance of President Asif Ali Zardari’s frequent visits to China, he said they had been instrumental in transforming the relations from political to economic.
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RayC wrote:
Liu wrote:
well, agree with you entirly..

all highrises ,expressways, huge seaports,airports , world class factories and "made in china" in your life are all "cooked"
Actually, the high rise, expressways etc is technically 'cooked'.

In Communist China, they just order people out and raze the area an build what they want. All they have to do is paste chai 拆 and that means demolish! No questions, no protest allowed! Boom! Dust erupts and a 'miracle' of a highway rises from the dust!!

Compensation paid is marginal and on that there have been protests and even unrest over the same. But these are also handled the Communist way!

Not possible in a democracy unfortunately.
you simplify the case too much .

generalt speaking ,chinese landowners can get a big compensation that Indian counterparts can not image ,once CPC government take over their land.

why Chinese government can acqurie land more easily than Indian government?

1. Chinese government is richer than India's government and can provide much more compensation.

2. most of chinese landowners are working in factoreis or offices ,so they can still live on their non-agricutlure jobs.
but 70% of Indian still live on agricutlure . so when most Indian landowner lose land, they hav nothing to live on.

3.Indian broken laws system tie the hand of Indian government.
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Renewed unrest in Xinjiang
Protests by thousands of Han Chinese in the last two days have led to renewed unrest in China’s Muslim-majority region of Xinjiang, exactly two months after mass ethnic riots broke out in the region.

Tens of thousands took to the streets of Urumqi, region’s capital, on Thursday and Friday demanding greater safety following a spate of syringe stabbing attacks in the city. . . . The protesters have called for resignation of Xinjiang’s controversial Communist Party leader Wang Lequan. Mr. Wang, who is known for his hard-line policies and is a close ally of President Hu Jintao. . . . his administration has also come under severe criticism from Han Chinese, who say the government was too slow to protect residents from the violence unleashed by mobs.
These could be sponsored by the Communist state to get a handle to put down the hapless Uighurs even more ruthlessly.
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SSridhar wrote:Renewed unrest in Xinjiang
Protests by thousands of Han Chinese in the last two days have led to renewed unrest in China’s Muslim-majority region of Xinjiang, exactly two months after mass ethnic riots broke out in the region.

Tens of thousands took to the streets of Urumqi, region’s capital, on Thursday and Friday demanding greater safety following a spate of syringe stabbing attacks in the city. . . . The protesters have called for resignation of Xinjiang’s controversial Communist Party leader Wang Lequan. Mr. Wang, who is known for his hard-line policies and is a close ally of President Hu Jintao. . . . his administration has also come under severe criticism from Han Chinese, who say the government was too slow to protect residents from the violence unleashed by mobs.
These could be sponsored by the Communist state to get a handle to put down the hapless Uighurs even more ruthlessly.
yes, CPC tell those Han protests:" I give you money, then you pretent to protest, then I protest to throw tear gas on you..."
what a splendid bollyhood opera!
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The weeghurs goose is beyond cooked.

There is no victory against a P5 that is determined to ethnically cleanse an area within its sovereign borders of all its natives.

I fail to see any way in which the tide can be stopped or reversed - chest thumping jingo rhetoric notwithstanding.

All these weeghur protest attempts are valiant, no doubt, but they should well know that when push comes to shove, their western friends won't go all the way zimbly because the PRC has nukes aimed at LA. Heck, for NATO member georgia, when push came to shove, they backed off before an angry Russian bear. What hope do the uighurs have?

Anyway, whats the population of weeghurs now? Whats systematically killing off a few million more weeghurs for the CCP? They've extensive experience in cleansing bad Hans now.
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Georgia's inexcusable crime is that it has no oil (or other resources).
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Liu wrote:yes, CPC tell those Han protests:" I give you money, then you pretent to protest, then I protest to throw tear gas on you..."
Thanks for re-stating the CPC plan. Appreciated.

The Chinese attempts at changing the demography of Xinjiang, the re-writing of the Uyghur history in line with CPC requirements, the project to ruthlessly exterminate the Muslims there, and the severe restrictions imposed on Muslims in practising their religion leave one in no doubt that China will go to any lengths or depths at retaining this province. The Chinese tactics are all too familiar having been enacted elsewhere too.
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sanjaykumar wrote:Georgia's inexcusable crime is that it has no oil (or other resources).
Sure, but neither does TSP. What they both have is location. And NATO took georgia under its wing, prodded Russia into a response and when things threatened to spiral, downhill skiied is how I read it.

Besides, are you implying that if only Georgia had oil or other resources, NATO would have been willing to risk an N exchange with Russia? Azerbaijan has oil, FWIW. Somehow, not very convincing, IMHO.
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Great assymetrical warfare response by the Uighars! "Needling" the Hans what! The Hans are now so sh*t scared of the Uighars that the "Wee-guys" have turned the balance in their favour.What can the Chinese do? Ban syringes!! The latest news that the PRC has sacked the local Commisar in chief,is an indication of the lack of control that China has over the situ.With the great anniversary of the People's Ruthless Republic of China,just round the corner,the world's eyes will be on it and how it handels or mishandles the Xinjiang situ,not to mention the festering Tibetan issue.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 82249.html
China sacks Party boss of strife-torn western city

By Lucy Hornby, Reuters

Saturday, 5 September 2009
China sacked the top official of Urumqi, the strife-hit capital of far-west Xinjiang, today, as the city crept back to an uneasy normality after days of sometimes deadly protests that have inflamed ethnic enmity.

The brief announcement from the official Xinhua news agency did not explain why the city's Communist Party Secretary, Li Zhi, was dismissed and replaced by Zhu Hailun, the head of Xinjiang region's law-and-order committee.

But Li presided over the city during deadly ethnic unrest between Han Chinese and Muslim Uighur residents on July 5 when at least 197 people died, most of them Han killed by Uighurs.

The far-west city has been under heavy security after three days of fresh unrest this week, when thousands of Han Chinese residents protested over a rash of reported syringe stabbings they blamed on Uighurs, a Muslim people who call this region their homeland.

Officials have said five people were killed in protests on Thursday, but have given only fleeting details about them.

The dismissal came as Urumqi returned to something like calm, topping a week that has seen crowds of Han Chinese protesters turn against the region's top Communist officials.

Troops used tear gas to break up a crowd of people, mostly Han Chinese by appearance, gathered near city government offices in Urumqi on Saturday, footage from Cable TV of Hong Kong showed.

But elsewhere in the city, shops, buses and roads began to come back to life, watched over by thousands of police and anti-riot troops, many of them barring Han Chinese residents from Uighur neighbourhoods.

Talk of fresh syringe attacks persisted on Saturday. Dozens of Han Chinese near the city centre complained that troops took away a Uighur man they accused of stabbing a child.

The spasm of unrest has alarmed the central government, coming less than a month before China marks the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic on Oct. 1, and officials have cast the stabbings as a separatist plot by Uighurs.

"Saboteurs may be planning more unnerving disruptions to create a sense of insecurity as the nation counts down to its major celebration of the 60th anniversary," said an editorial in the China Daily, the country's flagship English-language paper.

At least 197 people died in Urumqi when a protest by Uighurs on July 5 gave way to riots and killings that China called a separatist attack. Most of the dead were Han Chinese, and in the recent protests Han residents have voiced anger that Uighurs accused of rioting have yet to be tried.

Troops also used tear gas on Friday to disperse crowds of Han residents who called for the regional party secretary to resign after the hundreds of claimed syringe attacks.
The minister for police, Meng Jianzhu, flew to Urumqi to oversee security.

"The needle-stabbing attacks of recent days were a continuation of the July 5 incident," Meng said, according to the official People's Daily on Saturday. "Their goal is to wreck ethnic unity and create splits in the motherland."
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Leaders axed after China rioting

ANALYSIS

Michael Bristow,
BBC News, Urumqi
It is not entirely unusual for a communist party boss to be sacked in China following an accident, scandal or some kind of crisis. It is one of only a few ways the authorities can show ordinary people that they've taken their feelings into consideration.

But few officials have been sacked quite as publicly as Li Zhi, Urumqi's former party chief. The fact that he has been forced out while this current phase of unrest has yet to subside, reveals just how serious the situation is here.

It also shows how desperate the country's national leaders are to persuade Urumqi's Han Chinese population to calm down. But this sacking might not appease them: the protesters had called for Mr Li to step down, but many also want to see the back of Xinjiang's party boss, Wang Lequan.
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Ah. . .how quickly the CPC has removed its Urumqui chief after some reported 'syringe' attacks considering that when almost 200 Uyghur Muslims were killed and almost 2000 were injured, nothing happened !!
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Urumqi Streets Return to Order After Protest Deaths
Urumqi officials said 531 victims had been stabbed with medical syringes as of 7 p.m. on Sept. 4, Xinhua said today. Military medical experts examined 217 and found no signs of toxic or radioactive contamination, CCTV reported.
Xinjiang sent 1,500 officials, mainly from ethnic minorities, to residential areas heavily populated by Uighurs to “explain government policies and solve disputes,” Xinhua said today, citing provincial Party Secretary Wang Lequan. Another 600 officials will visit local communities, Xinhua said.
Sounds like put the lid on operation is in full swing complete with arrest of international media to suppress any sort of real news to get out! typical operation as per red book of PLA we can all be sure!
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Ah. . .how quickly the CPC has removed its Urumqui chief after some reported 'syringe' attacks considering that when almost 200 Uyghur Muslims were killed and almost 2000 were injured, nothing happened !!
Sridharjee

CCP act as guardian of Han population as its main duty , in earlier times it use to be Dynasties occupying the Forbidden Palace defending the Hans from minorities in Frontier area of Kingdom & whenever they failed in their primary duty of defending Hans they were removed . Today its CCP that's filling those shoes so it can't be seen as weak & not able to defend the Hans .Minorities never counted in Old & present day China ,they are to be tolerated at best & punished to keep Hans happy in normal times .
It doesn't matter if such an incident ever took place or not what matters is CCP needs to show that it is ready to defend the Hans even if that means intimidation,torture & denial of minimal rights to minorities & summary executions of a few hundred minorities .
So long CCP will continue to fill this primary role & any other alternative leadership continues to be part of CCP , there's no hope of CCP ever losing its grip on PRC.
In best of times , we can hope for a faction that is not so averse to India taking control unfortunately in present time there exist no such faction with exception of few dying intellectuals having sympathetic view of India.
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China news from Strategy Page
In southern China, a local TV station, doing a "back-to-school" feature, asked young kids what they wanted to be when they grew up. One little girl said she wanted to be a "corrupt government official" because "they had so much good stuff". This bit got on the air, and now has gone viral, much to the displeasure of the government (which makes a big deal out of fighting corruption, but would rather not give the problem any more publicity.)
In Central China (Hunan province), police arrested fifteen parents who had taken part in demonstrations against factories that were putting lots of lead into the atmosphere, and making thousands of children sick
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Syringe attackers may face death penalty
That is as good an excuse as anything else to put a few hundred more Uyghurs to death perhaps.
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That is as good an excuse as anything else to put a few hundred more Uyghurs to death perhaps.
I can almost hear exactly what some of the chicoms I knew back in the khanate will say to that statement coming from an Yindian:
You wish you could do it to your troublemakers too...
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Hari Seldon wrote:I can almost hear exactly what some of the chicoms I knew back in the khanate will say to that statement coming from an Yindian:
You wish you could do it to your troublemakers too...
Of course, Hari. The practice of Statecraft is to maximize benefits and minimize losses for the nation. Morals and scruples take the second place or no place at all. However, one should sound moralistic when the situation demands.
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More on the Chinese international spying pandemic,this time in OZ.Good,for OZ,keep on attacking Indians and bring in the Chinese to your detriment!

http://blog.taragana.com/n/chinese-tele ... ia-160480/
Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei under ’spy probe’ in Australia
Ani September 5th, 2009

MELBOURNE - Australia’s national security service is investigating Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, whose legitimacy had been debated by intelligence chiefs in the US, Britain and India, for employing technicians in Australia with direct links to the People’s Liberation Army.

The Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) is investigating claims made by Huawei employees in Sydney and Melbourne, who are understood to have approached the security service with their concerns.

Huawei has been the subject of critical scrutiny by intelligence agencies in the US and Britain about its alleged links with the Chinese military and intelligence apparatus.

The company, which employs more than 100 people in Sydney and about 20 in Melbourne, was founded by former PLA officer Ren Zhengfei, but strongly denies that it does the bidding of the Chinese government or that it has links with the PLA.

It maintains that it is a legitimate telecom company, having been a part of the recent unsuccessful bid by Singtel Optus to build the 15 billion dollars national broadband network, The Australian reported.

The claims made by Huawei employees to ASIO include: That Huawei employs Chinese nationals in Australia who have direct links with the PLA and with the Chinese government; that Huawei has recently sacked several dozen of its Australian-born workforce, replacing them with Chinese nationals brought in from China.

The company says about 30per cent of its workers in Australia are “Chinese expats” and that while there had been recent “adjustments to the allocation and structure of resources,” there had been no wholesale sacking of Australian staff.

A spokesman for Attorney-General Robert McClelland said: “ASIO has frequent contact with the telecommunications industry in Australia. In that context, ASIO contact with Huawei Telecommunications is unsurprising.”

Beijing has vigorously denied claims that it engages in human or cyber espionage in Australia, but in 2004, ASIO set up a new counter-espionage unit to combat the rising incidence of foreign espionage in Australia.

In March, the propaganda chief of the Chinese Communist Party, Li Changchun, visited the company’s Australian headquarters in Sydney. (ANI)
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Fake drugs: China apologises to Nigeria
Abuja, Sept 21: China has formerly apologised to Nigeria for alleged export of fake drugs by some Chinese firms to that country and assured to take punitive action against those involved in the nexus.

At a meeting of global coalition partners against fake drugs manufacture, importation and exportation in Abuja, Chinese Ambassador to Nigeria Rong Yansong regretted the exportation of fake drugs to the West African country by some Chinese nationals and industries.

"I wish to use this opportunity to apologise to Nigeria for the exportation of such products to the country. The Chinese government would ensure punishment to firms exporting fake drug to Nigeria," he said.

The apology comes amid rampant cases of alleged fake drug imports, triggering an intense campaign by the Nigerian anti-fake drug agency against unwholesome drugs.
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How about to India! :evil:
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X Posted from the International Nuclear Watch thread.
arun wrote:
Excerpt dealing with the criminally irresponsible nuclear proliferation carried out by PR China:
As sins go, they were big: Pakistan had been spreading nuclear technology for years. The first customer for one of its enrichment plants was China — which itself had supplied Pakistan with enough highly enriched uranium for two nuclear bombs in the summer of 1982.

There it was in the letter: “We put up a centrifuge plant at Hanzhong (250km southwest of Xian).” It went on: “The Chinese gave us drawings of the nuclear weapon, gave us 50kg of enriched uranium, gave us 10 tons of UF6 (natural) and 5 tons of UF6 (3%).” (UF6 is uranium hexafluoride, the gaseous feedstock for an enrichment plant.)
PR Chinese Foreign Ministry denial of nuclear proliferation.:
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Jiang Yu's Regular Press Conference on September 22, 2009 ……………..

Q: Former head of Pakistan nuclear program recently made public that he helped China get enrichment technologies in return for atomic bomb blueprint. Can you confirm it?

A: As a member of the NPT, China is committed to its international obligations of non-proliferation and firmly opposes any forms of proliferation of nuclear weapons.

MOFA, PRC
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Headlines Today take on A.Q.Khan’s disclosure of PR China’s nuclear proliferation activities:
'China tested Pak-made N-device'

Headlines Today
New Delhi, September 23, 2009


………………… Nuclear weapons designer Thomas C. Reed has on record revealed that China not only provided designs of N-weapons to Pakistan but also tested an N-device produced by Islamabad.

Reed's disclosure substantiates Pakistani nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan's allegations that China was involved in nuclear proliferation. ............................

India Today
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NYT:

Mao's Grandson May Be Major General Next Year - Report


Aww, how sweet - now he and Rahul can chum around together, and exchange notes on their respective family heirlooms/states.
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Sanjay M wrote:NYT:

Mao's Grandson May Be Major General Next Year - Report


Aww, how sweet - now he and Rahul can chum around together, and exchange notes on their respective family heirlooms/states.
Well at least he has risen through the ranks and not parachuted to the top ... :)
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Reflections on the 60th Anniversary
A Brazilian reporter asked me some questions about the 60th anniversary, here are my answers:

1- What’s the meaning of this celebration in China that starts this Thursday in your opinion? Is it an internal celebration, or the main goal is to impress the world?

Both. Of course, the leaders want to show the world its unity and military might. However, a parade is also a way to monitor the effectiveness and loyalty of military and civilian units.

2- Why the Chinese people is not part of the celebration?

The participants in the parade and even the audience are carefully selected because the government doesn't want any disruption to the celebration. Any sign of protest would be highly embarrassing to the government and its leaders.
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AnimeshP wrote:
Sanjay M wrote:NYT:

Mao's Grandson May Be Major General Next Year - Report


Aww, how sweet - now he and Rahul can chum around together, and exchange notes on their respective family heirlooms/states.
Well at least he has risen through the ranks and not parachuted to the top ... :)
Mao was the opposite of most Chinese in one crucial respect - he was quite indifferent to his children, and had no dynastic impulse at all.

Mao really didn't care who inherited power from him. Much like Stalin (or even Hitler) in that regard.

Deng's own family was persecuted by Mao, so he had no reason to shower honours on Mao's surviving family.
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I wouldn't count what Johann said about Mao's "lack of dynastic impulses" as among his virtues. Mao was a self-obsessed maniac, and couldn't think of anyone else but himself, his absolute power and his carnal pleasures.
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Without a doubt Sarma. Mao was an absolute narcissist, like the other two totalitarian leaders. It takes a that kind of personality to be indifferent to the deaths of millions of your own people in pursuit of personal glory and power.
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Sanjay M wrote:NYT:

Mao's Grandson May Be Major General Next Year - Report


Aww, how sweet - now he and Rahul can chum around together, and exchange notes on their respective family heirlooms/states.
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Mao Xinyu, grandson of the late Chairman Mao Zedong, adjusts his hat as he walks out of the Great Hall of the People in Beijing in this March 2, 2008 file photo. Mao could be promoted to major general next year, the China Daily said on Tuesday, contradicting other reports saying the 39-year-old had already risen in rank. Rumours of the promotion have been buzzing around websites in China, where Mao's descendants have not played a prominent role in politics.
Courtesy daylife.
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Johann wrote:Without a doubt Sarma. Mao was an absolute narcissist, like the other two totalitarian leaders. It takes a that kind of personality to be indifferent to the deaths of millions of your own people in pursuit of personal glory and power.
I don't understand why you indian people hate Mao so much. what is the definition of narcissist? do you really know Mao's life and his idea? He is the primary founder of PRC and is still widely respected by most Chinese people. In China, we call Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi "saint" & "great hero", we respect him not only because most of us know his story, but also because we know that he is deeply respected by Indian people.
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arun wrote:Headlines Today take on A.Q.Khan’s disclosure of PR China’s nuclear proliferation activities:
'China tested Pak-made N-device'

Headlines Today
New Delhi, September 23, 2009


………………… Nuclear weapons designer Thomas C. Reed has on record revealed that China not only provided designs of N-weapons to Pakistan but also tested an N-device produced by Islamabad.

Reed's disclosure substantiates Pakistani nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan's allegations that China was involved in nuclear proliferation. ............................

India Today
Paki. is China's neighbore. Will India help its neighbore to develop Nuclear weapons?
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pacific_blue wrote:
Johann wrote:Without a doubt Sarma. Mao was an absolute narcissist, like the other two totalitarian leaders. It takes a that kind of personality to be indifferent to the deaths of millions of your own people in pursuit of personal glory and power.
I don't understand why you indian people hate Mao so much. what is the definition of narcissist? do you really know Mao's life and his idea? He is the primary founder of PRC and is still widely respected by most Chinese people. In China, we call Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi "saint" & "great hero", we respect him not only because most of us know his story, but also because we know that he is deeply respected by Indian people.
pacific_blue, a warm welcome to the forum. Just a reminder that handles used by forum members need not necessarily indicate their nationality. That aside, the forum would be interested in knowing about Chairman Mao's life, the principles he fought for, the means he employed to achieve his goals etc. Unlike M.K.Gandhi and democratic India where everything is an open book, the same cannot be said of PRC and hence it is that there may not be a true appreciation of Mao, his Long March, his Great Leap Forward, and his Cultural Revolution. I hope, you Chinese understand that handicap of yours. All we Indians know of are Naxals and Maoists in India who take to Chairman Mao's Red Book and especially, "Power flows from the barrels of a gun" and kill and maim people. As you rightly said, M.K. Gandhi was truly a 'saint', a 'great hero', a 'Pacifist', pacific_blue, and none was deserving of Nobel Peace Prize (for whatever it was worth), more than him. Can we say the same thing about Mao ? On the other hand, the world often talks of Chairman Mao only as an authoritarian whose regime led to deaths of millions of Chinese and who boasted that he can let 300 million Chinese die in a nuclear holocaust and there will be enough left still. Your enlightenment will be appreciated.

P.S. Click this to know the definition of a 'narcissist'.
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