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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylzRZA5-zs

V. K. Krishna Menon Interview

Check Krishna Menon longest speech in UN. It is very important to read it and understand it

http://www.quora.com/History-of-India/W ... ong-speech

History of India: Was V K Krishna Menon's epic eight-hour speech defending India's stand on Kashmir to the United Nations Security Council in 1957 a Filibuster or merely just a long speech?
During this 8 hour marathon speech he collapsed from exhaustion partway through and had to be hospitalized. After this when he returned from the hospital he continued for another hour while a doctor monitored his blood pressure. This speech played a key role in defending India's position and solving the Kashmir issue by the UN.

Impact of the Speech
This speech convinced the Soviets Union to veto the UN resolution. If not, the UN would have given away Kashmir to Pakistan.( because at that time the whole world was convinced that Kashmir belonged to Pakistan ) after this every time Soviet Union favored India in this issue. I think now there is no need to emphasize on the importance of this speech.

Freedom of Goa[edit]
The freedom of Goa was closely linked with the 1961 elections to the Lok Sabha. With the race looming, Menon aggressively addressed the issue of Indian sovereignty over the Portuguese colony of Goa, in a partial reprise of his earlier defence of Indian Kashmir. In New York, Menon met US Ambassador and two-time presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson behind closed doors,[29] before meeting with President John F. Kennedy, who had expressed his reservations about Menon's anti-imperialism during the state visit of Jawaharlal Nehru. Menon lectured Kennedy on the importance of US-Soviet compromise, before returning to India. On 17 December 1961, Menon and the Indian Army overran Goa, leading to widespread Western condemnation. In his typical style, Menon dismissed the admonishments of Kennedy and Stevenson as "vestige(s) of Western imperialism". Menon's spearheading of the Indian annexation of Goa had subtle ramifications throughout Asia, as in the case of Indonesian president Sukarno, who refrained from invading the Portuguese colony of East Timor partially from fear of being compared to Menon.[30] The invasion also spawned a complex mass of legal issues relating to differences between eastern and western interpretations of United Nations law and jurisdiction.[31]
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Dhanyavaad, Shriman.

J. N. Dixit writes that Menon has got too much criticism from his colleagues. History will be kinder to him.
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Mr Kaul on India invasion of the Portuguese colony of Goa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRWTzp3RlJk

The Indian conciliatory image until 1961 was hurt after the de colonization of Goa
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Menon was a thorn in the flesh of the imperialists,neo-imperialists and neo-colonialists.He would've been a great asset today,debunker of "snake-oil" diplomacy.He came unstuck with Nehru's flawed diplomacy against China,speaking loudly without a big stick and failed to use the IAF to counter the exposed Chinese.

I always say that diplomacy and defence are two sides of the same coin.You have to understand the science and art of both if you want to win.The absence of a balance results in defeat.The US a prime example.An overdose of military strength and action,unparalleled arrogance in diplomacy has resulted in utter defeat in Iraq-as we are seeing now,Afghanistan-which may go the way of Iraq and the classic example of Vietnam,where the world's mightiest military power was defeated by an army of peasants.Some of you old timers may remember a special centre-page fold out in the National Geographic in the '60s,which featured the entire range of US aircraft and helicopters being used in the Vietnam War.It was a stunning display of the aerial weaponry of the world's mightiest military power.But what happened? That mighty military force wasn't supported by a similar diplomatic offensive.With the stick must come the carrot.In Vietnam,the carrot came too little and too late,when the war was effectively lost.It was intensely unpopular at home.As Muhammad Ali famously remarked, “I ain’t got no quarrel with them Viet Cong…they never called me nigger."

Now consider British diplomacy in comparison.Simply brilliant at protecting British interests for centuries.Ah,but then it had an empire upon which the "sun never set" and the "stick" of the royal navy,which instrument it used with devastating effect.Sir Francis Drake "singed the beardof the king of Spain".During Napoleonic times the Battle of the Nile and Trafalgar saw to Napoleon's dreams of extending his empire further into Africa and Asia.Superb diplomacy and military muscle saw Napoleon defeated.When WW1 erupted thanks to the asinine egos of the royal relatives of Europe,which saw their monarchies bite the dust,Britain survived thanks to its Anglo-American special relationship.That relationship saw it survive again in WW2. However,without the financial strength after losing an empire,and massive cuts in Britain's defence spending,downsizing and downgrading its armed forces,British diplomacy has suffered as a consequence.In the last days of the Eelam War,little Lanka,once a British colony gave the British For.Sec. the upturned finger when it wanted to save the LTTE's fuhrer Prabhakaran.The French foreign minister accompanied the British envoy,but the "double-baralleled gun" was loaded with blanks,as the Lankans well knew!

Indian diplomacy: As Mahatama Gandhi once said ,speaking of European civilisation,"it would be a good idea". My observations,and at first hand too,is that Indian diplomacy was best served during the hey-days of NAM and when Mrs.Gandhi in a brilliant and classic example of realpolitik,bested Nixon and Kissinger with her combination of discreet,deft and decisive diplomacy ( educating the world about Paki atrocities in E.Pak,refusing to kowtow to Nixon and Kissinger and signing the "Indo-Soviet Friendship treaty",which saw Russia look after India's back as we dismembered Pak despite everything that the US tried to do.)

More on Indian diplomacy today later.
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^^Wasnt it "western civilization" and not European civilization. Western civ stands for white and quasi-white people like the assorted Germannic tribes and Italy/Greece/Israel (for appropriation of legacy).
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An Indian Monroe Doctrine - By Bharat Karnad
Let’s be clear about what visioning is not. Cultivating a friendly neighbourhood is not vision, encouraging economic growth is not vision, emphasising economic diplomacy, or even improvement of strategic ties with assorted countries, such as Japan, ASEAN, Russia, and the United States, isn’t either. Nor are sets of policies labelled “Look East”, “Look West” or look wherever tantamount to vision. These are tactical policies of the moment. Vision is related primarily to geography and physical constants.

The only time India had a genuine, if flawed, vision was when Jawaharlal Nehru spelled one out at the dawn of the republic. Addressing the first Asian Relations Conference in Spring 1947, he spoke unfortunately of an “Asian”, rather than an Indian, “Monroe Doctrine”, derived from president James Monroe in 1823 defining the entire hemisphere of north, central, and south America as US’ exclusive backyard at a time when that country had little hard power. In line with his view that “the need of the hour is to think big” and based on India’s geostrategic centrality, Modi should declare an Indian Monroe Doctrine sphere encompassing the Indian Ocean Region and, landwards, the arc of the Gulf-Caspian Sea-Central Asia. This grand vision of great power should be the lodestar guiding all policies.
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Yogi,I think you may be right.

Coming back to Indian diplomacy,barring the few instances mentioned,in recent times ,especially during the post Rajiv years other than the ABV era,it has been "peace in our time".This is because of the mortgaging of our foreign,defence and economic policies to Washington,where a liberal dose of western manufactured snake-oil was advocated to keep the gullible Indian polity oblivious to the conspiracy.In fact,one of the papers today commenting on our foreign policy said that MMS was asked to "push" for peace with Pak to secure his Nobel peace prize! Secondly,our foreign policy in recent times has been one of talk and talk and talk,with little or no solid returns,whether it be a reduction of terror from Pak or a less aggressive Chinese stance.In this a climate of fear seems to have struck the MEA."Do not annoy at any cost",with respect to the dragon and also because of the shambles that the Indian armed forces are in thanks to the other insidious conspiracy of downgrading the armed forces by deliberate indecision,and stalling of acquisitions and projects,barring US contracts,all under the guise of "anti-corruption" by the salesman of "ayurvedic snake-oil",AKA!

In fact the reputation of the country sunk so low that a toddler in he cradle,so to speak,the Maldives had the audacity to cancel a contract to an Indian firm supposedly at Chinese/Paki behest.Never before had our neighbours,barring Hasina in Bangladesh treated us with such contempt. Nations all over Asia were looking to India for diplomatic and possible military support in the future,as a counter to Chinese greed and aggro,but all we could offer was to contest for the title of Uncle Sam's favourite rent-boy with Pak!
The dereliction of duty by MMS,AKA and Sonia-G,has resulted in the PLAN making waves in the IOR with its nuclear subs conducting patrols and the IN being "informed" politely by the PLAN -the equivalent of having a spear thrust up our nether end. There is no need to rehash the DK affair and how we were treated with contempt by the US.In one media report (Hindu),it appears that the recent visit by the US US of State was handled differently this time.No meeting with the FM or PM,strict protocol,to show that matters still have to be settled. It would've been even better had DK been tasked to be the MEA officer in charge of the visiting diplomutt's schedule!

The visit of the PM to Bhutan is a signal to the "neighbourhood" that India will not tolerate mischief on its borders from any foreign entity,be it Pak or China.Perhaps Mr.Modi's diplomacy in this theatre could be described as " Counter the Dragon".
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Philip wrote:Menon was a thorn in the flesh of the imperialists,neo-imperialists and neo-colonialists.He would've been a great asset today,debunker of "snake-oil" diplomacy.He came unstuck with Nehru's flawed diplomacy against China,speaking loudly without a big stick and failed to use the IAF to counter the exposed Chinese.
:rotfl: The neo-imperialists you're referring to, didn't quite have to b!tch slap nehru and menon for speaking loudly without a big stick. That's why that debunker of snake oil stayed stuck. Fellow anti-imperialist China decided to put the light of asia and his great asset in their place.

I'll just ignore the nonsense about superb british diplomacy and what not.
My observations,and at first hand too,is that Indian diplomacy was best served during the hey-days of NAM
How does one convey
g44nd main nahin goo, aur hagne chale juhu
in boffin language Phillip ?

I sometimes wonder if the NAM was actually a brilliant chanakian conspiracy. Better to have pretentious idiots like Nehru and Menon, that thorn in the flesh of the imperialists,neo-imperialists and neo-colonialists rant on and act as a safety valve to release anger and discontent against the west, rather than have them pal up with somebody like Mao.
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Modi sifts good and bad neighbours - From Bhutan, a message to others
Thimphu, June 15: Narendra Modi today made a confession about unpleasant neighbours that hardly any other Indian Prime Minister is known to have made on a foreign visit.

“Kabhi kabhaar aisa padosi mil jata hai ki apke paas har prakar kay sukh shanti vaibhav hone key baad bhi aap chain say jee nahi sakte (At times you get such neighbours that even after possessing every kind of happiness, peace and wealth, you cannot live in peace),” Modi said on his first overseas trip as Prime Minister.
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^^^^
A Bhutanese scholar detected a symbolism in the extremes of weather Thimphu witnessed on the day of Modi’s arrival — a bright sunny morning, an overcast afternoon with heavy rain and then a spotless and starry evening sky.

“We were struck by the dazzling sunshine that accompanied Modi’s arrival, as a bright sky heralds an auspicious beginning in Bhutanese symbolism,” said Dasho Karma Ura of the Centre for Bhutan Studies.

“Later, Thimphu had refreshing showers. The night sky was spotless with blue stars. PM Modi is not only a man for all seasons but a man with all four seasons.:D
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From J. N. Dixit's book:

So both Swaran Singh and D.P. Dhar advised PM Indira Gandhi to resolve the J&K issue during the Simla agreement. P. N. Haksar disagreed and IG accepted his advice.

Regarding Moraji Desai's foreign policy: It was opposite of what is recommended on BRF.
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Haksar's daughter nandita haksar is a blue blooded wkk. She defended afzal guru or some other terrorist in the past.
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Just to remember what China is up to in Bhutan that India needs to preempt.

China also has a border dispute with Bhutan. The dispute goes back to 1950 when China published maps showing certain portions in the west and north of Bhutan as belonging to it. Bilateral talks however started only in 1984 on the border dispute. In c. 2012, China made a package offer to Bhutan through which it conceded its claims to 900 Sq Kms of territory in the north for a 400 Sq Km territory in the west. This is the usual Chinese tactic, claim two separate areas of the neighbour and then give up one area as a magnificent concession for claiming the other. If that country does not agree because both the areas belonged to it anyway in the first place, then threaten it, malign it and harass it. China has been claiming Doklam, Charithang, Sinchulimpa and Dramana pasture land in Western Bhutan leading up to the Chumbi Valley which is a wedge between India (Sikkim) and Bhutan. The idea of the Chinese is to increase the shoulder leading to the narrow Chumbi valley to enable building road and rail network. The Chumbi Valley is hardly 500 Kms from the strategic and narrow Siliguri Corridor (or, ‘Chicken’s Neck’) that connects the North East to mainland India. In June, 2012, China proposed to establish its diplomatic mission in Bhutan and demanded Bhutan conceding 400 Sq. Kms of land leading up to the Chumbi Valley. As it does along the Indian border or even elsewhere, PLA makes regular deep intrusions and carries out road extension works into or near disputed areas even violating the 1998 China-Bhutan Agreement for Maintenance of Peace and Tranquility.
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Link to back Issues of Association of Retired Indian Foreign Service officials journal....

http://www.associationdiplomats.org/pub ... eneral.htm
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Amabassador S K Lambah on Oral History on Economic Diplomacy :)

Will explain the :) tomorrow!!!
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Punish caste-based sex crime offenders: UN human rights chief to India
firstpost.com | Jun 18th 2014

Geneva: UN human rights chief Navi Pillay on Wednesday urged India to ensure that perpetrators of caste-based sexual attacks do not escape justice.

"Women from stigmatised castes suffer the double assault of caste-based and gender-based discrimination," Pillay said on the sidelines of a session of the UN Human Rights Council. "And all too often abuses of their rights are committed with complete impunity," she said.

"Such impunity must end," said Pillay, a South African with Indian roots.

India has been trying to overcome its reputation for violence against women, but public outrage was reignited by the deaths last month of two girls, aged 12 and 14, who were gang-raped and lynched in their impoverished village in the state of Uttar Pradesh.

The girls' families refused to cut their bodies down from a tree in protest at alleged police inaction, which they said was because they were from a lower caste.

Last week, a woman said she had been gang-raped by four officers at a police station in the same state, and police said they were also investigating the death of a nineteen-year-old found hanging from a tree.

"The victims of these crimes must receive justice, and societies, communities and officials must receive the clear message that discrimination and violence will no longer be tolerated," said Pillay.

"States must take steps to prevent such violence and discrimination and protect the rights of vulnerable people and
communities," she added.

India brought in tougher laws last year against sexual offenders after the fatal gang-rape of a student in New Delhi in December 2012, an attack that drew international condemnation of India's treatment of women.

But the legislation, which was also designed to educate and sensitise police on rape cases, has failed to stem the tide of violence.

"Violence against women of poorly regarded castes has very deep roots, which cannot be tackled without far-reaching efforts. Clearly laws are necessary, but they are not enough," said Pillay.

"There must also be fundamental change within communities, to peel off, layer by layer, the mind-set that generates caste discrimination and bigotry," she said.

Pillay noted that caste-based discrimination was a global problem, hitting communities not only in India but other parts of Asia, as well as Africa, the Middle East and Europe. Around 260 million people are affected, she said.

PTI
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Navaneetham Pillai is a SL or South African tamil.Tamils outside TN(in SL etc) were a$$ lickers of British.These idiots love to be gora condoms.I suppose to each, their fetishes/fanatasies.
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KK,British diplomacy must be seen in its entirety.For centuries its espionage and diplomatic skills worked exceedingly well.It beautifully carved up the ME for a century ensuring its oil supplies primarily for the Royal navy at first,then cheap energy for its industrialisation and other energy needs.The Sykes-Picot masterplan now unravelling thanks to the Saudis,shekihdoms and duplicitous US foreign policy.look at the indecent haste with which it has reopened its embassy in Teheran! Yesterday's enemy has become today's friend.It is much faster off the block changing direction than many other states,seeing to its selfish interests first.OIL.

During the NAM movement,the manner in which we obtained freedom,was an inspiration to countless nations across the globe enslaved by colonialism.NAM also proved to be a powerful forum avoiding the Cold War machinations of east and west,though many NAM nations tilted towards the Soviets.Post CW,Indian diplomacy appears to have foundered.We allowed all the goodwill that were built up during the heyday of NAM,and by Mrs.G ,to let China "take away" Africa in a billion dollar blitzkrieg seducing its leaders in Beijing,thus grasping fir itself enormous mineral wealth,energy reserves and uranium too in exploratory rights across the continent.It is doing the same thing in the Americas.Everywhere we seem to be merely catching up.

Our mortgaging to the US,thanks to MMS,of our foreign policy,saw appeasement with Pak,paralysis in decision making,fear of disapproval by the US in not forging strategic relations with Iran to encircle Pak and expand our interests into Central Asia via Iran,and above all,the decline in the strength and capability of the armed forces.Exactly what the US wanted,a servile,vassal entity and White House latrine attendant ,a role beautifully performed by quisling Singh.

As the crisis in Iraq has exploded in our faces too,quo vadis Indian foreign policy?
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anmol, The UN has no idea why such crimes happen. its about politics.
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Modi Govt puts Chahbahar port work on fast-track - Deepshika Sikarwar, Economic Times
The Narendra Modi government has decided to get moving on the long-delayed construction of strategically critical Chabahar port in Iran that would give India easier access to Afghanistan and Central Asia through a shorter route that would also mean being able to avoid Karachi in neighbouring Pakistan.

The external affairs ministry has circulated a fresh Cabinet note on the project, a senior government official privy to the development told ET.

"The proposal is expected to be taken up shortly," the official said, requesting anonymity.

Modi has declared his keenness to deepen ties with neighbours and the port is expected to play an important role in the economic reconstruction and development of Afghanistan.

The project involves a capital expenditure of about Rs 550 crore. It will be implemented by a special purpose vehicle formed by Jawahar Lal Nehru Port Trust and Kandla Port Trust along with a private player.

India and Iran had decided on the project in 2003, but the venture failed to make much headway because of US sanctions on Iran, even though port construction was exempted from the sanctions.

Afghanistan is keen on India going ahead with the project as it could lead to a big boost to its trade.

While India can currently source goods from Afghanistan through Pakistan, trade in the opposite direction isn't allowed, leaving landlocked Afghanistan dependent on its neighbour to the east, with which it shares a lawless border region ridden with Islamist terrorist groups. Chabahar will not only provide India a shorter trade route to Afghanistan, it can also use this to import minerals from Central Asia.

The previous United Progressive Alliance government did try to push the project, particularly after China developed Gwadar port in Pakistan, 72 km from Chabahar, but failed to make much headway.

There have also been reports of China evincing interest in developing Chabahar, a development that has prompted India to try and get its act together on the much-delayed project.
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svenkat wrote:Navaneetham Pillai is a SL or South African tamil.Tamils outside TN(in SL etc) were a$$ lickers of British.These idiots love to be gora condoms.I suppose to each, their fetishes/fanatasies.
This post of mine has drawn criticism.(in mavs blog,I know its not correct to bring in a blog which is very harsh on our forum/some of our respected members).Stans criticism seems right.Infact,as I posted it,i wondered whether I was being insensitive/unfair to a whole group of people who have tamizh ancestry.Since I cannot edit the above post,even for the epsilon worth my post has,I withdraw those unwarranted remarks.

Yet,I will reiterate that Navi Pillai acted as a gora condom piling onto an issue which drew wide and severe condemnation.And one would have expected her to know that Indian society and polity has set in motion so many steps to address the issues involved and much progress has been paid.As a tamil,she should have known these are old issues in a very old civilisation and its a work in progress.She has so many more worthy issues to address in nations fully supported by her gora bosses.
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Yogi_G wrote:^^Wasnt it "western civilization" and not European civilization. Western civ stands for white and quasi-white people like the assorted Germannic tribes and Italy/Greece/Israel (for appropriation of legacy).
This "Western civilization" business is a big hoax, perpetrated by Brits and later Americans to hide the fact that for much of history, the ancestors of most of Europeans were swinging from trees and living in caves. They pretend that somehow the history of Greece or Rome is an example of achievements of every White Christian. It is like Pakis pretending that Bollywood is Urdu film industry staffed by Khans ("who went from Pakistan") and shows the greatness of Pakistani culture.

This over-glorification of Roman and Greek histories began in medieval Europe when the Whites got tired of cutting each other's throats and began to look for some historical utopia for inspiration (much like Pakis tired of the mayhem in their country now look at the historical utopia of "rightly guided" caliphs as inspiration). This has turned into a full-blown racket, with Hollywood and White historians over-stating the achievements of Greece and Rome. Compared to Indian or Chinese civilizations that time, these countries were puny with no impact on any part of the world (except through war). While the culture of Indian civlization radiated in all directions on its own strength, from Tibet to Arabia to South East Asia and even to China, what impact did Greece or Rome have on even in Europe, forget about rest of the world? Romans spread only through war, destroying existing European cultures.
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Subramaniam Swamy calls for refurbishing SAARC - Ananth Krishnan, The Hindu
Bharatiya Janata Party leader Subramanian Swamy told a Chinese government-backed meeting on Sunday that the new government in New Delhi would prioritise ties with South Asian countries and neighbours in its foreign policy, as he made a case for “refurbishing” SAARC’s organisational structure to make the “weak” body more effective.

Dr. Swamy, invited to address the “World Peace Forum” at Beijing’s Tsinghua University, said any further evolution of SAARC would also require the United States and China, currently observers, to have a greater role in its deliberations.{That is least desirable from Indian point of view. Why should we allow both these inimical nations to extend their sphere of influence even more in our own backyard where our ability to influence is already getting eroded? These two, if allowed more say in SAARC, would completely eliminate our influence among the nations of the Indian subcontinent. I cannot think of a better form of harakiri than this. China does everything to subscribe our influence everywhere and Swamy wants us to invite them and bestow them with concessions like this especially when we have no access in the SCO? China has opposed our membership in ASEAN, UNSC, NSG etc. }

“Prime Minister Narendra Modi has made it clear that in foreign policy, neighbours come first,” he said, with SAARC countries — whose leaders were invited to Mr. Modi’s swearing-in — being followed by Asia and then the United States in terms of emphasis. “Mr. Modi overruled people who said Pakistan should not be invited,” he said.

His first trip was to Bhutan, also a SAARC country. He disregarded objections in Tamil Nadu and invited [Sri Lankan President] Rajapaksa. We are expecting the President of China to visit India [later this year]. I think our approach would be to deal with Asian neighbours and their interests first, and then proceed further.”

Sunday’s meeting involved former leaders including Japan’s Yukio Hatoyama and Pakistan’s Shaukat Aziz, serving and retired diplomats, and strategic experts from around the world for discussions on China’s relations with the U.S., Japan, South Asia and Southeast Asia.

Dr. Swamy said there was “an urgent need for structuring a new paradigm” for regional ties in South Asia, with the present SAARC charter that prevents the inclusion of bilateral issues in its agenda undermining its effectiveness and making the grouping “anaemic.”

Trilateral meeting

He pointed to issues such as Pakistan’s “explicit and implicit complicity in terror” and illegal immigration from Bangladesh has “roadblocks” that needed addressing. India should also have trilateral meetings with the U.S. and China considering the reality of their influence on countries in the neighbourhood. Increased political understanding with China would also help address lingering issues such as the boundary dispute, he said citing the example of China and Russia settling their dispute.
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+108 SSridhar. Why invite trouble makers into SAARC.
Is India in NAFTA, SCO or APEC?
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Any further evolution of SAARC would also require the United States and China, currently observers, to have a greater role in its deliberations.
Swamy is smoking something powerful, it seems, to voluntarily invite two of India's global competitors into a regional grouping where India should be the sole, unchallenged leader. He is like a pendulum who keeps swinging between the brilliant and the absurd.
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You said it.
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India should first try and usher in an EU/EEU style eco format for SAARC,whose acronym is terrible-rhymes with "shark',why it hasn't got off the ground in any meaningful way SAEF (SAsian Eco Forum) would sound "safe"! The new Russian led EurAsian Eco group should be seriously studied.If the SAARC nations joint it,or become associates,as it encompasses the vast swathe of territory from Europe,Central Asia to the Pacific,trade could be hugely enhanced especially with non $ transactions,using other currencies and barter deals and it would open up opportunities for the entire IOR .The proposal to establish an energy pipeline from Russia to India,similar to that envisioned/signed on with China promises a guarantee of energy supplies to us without the turmoil of the MEast.

There are dramatic changes taking place in the world today.ISIS sweeping through Iraq,Ukraine disintegrating,the US in full retreat from Iraq to Afghanistan,unable to influence world events which initially were of its own making and the rise,rise and rise of China.The big Q is whether the MEA mandarins are fully aware of the rapidly changing scenario,the enormous repercussions for the globe in general and India in particular. The new dispensation must realise that while India -centric,neighbourhood relations must be given priority,they are also hostage to events farther afield,which have huge implications for the health of the nation.
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SSridhar wrote:Subramaniam Swamy calls for refurbishing SAARC - Ananth Krishnan, The Hindu
Bharatiya Janata Party leader Subramanian Swamy told a Chinese government-backed meeting on Sunday that the new government in New Delhi would prioritise ties with South Asian countries and neighbours in its foreign policy, as he made a case for “refurbishing” SAARC’s organisational structure to make the “weak” body more effective.

Dr. Swamy, invited to address the “World Peace Forum” at Beijing’s Tsinghua University, said any further evolution of SAARC would also require the United States and China, currently observers, to have a greater role in its deliberations.{That is least desirable from Indian point of view. Why should we allow both these inimical nations to extend their sphere of influence even more in our own backyard where our ability to influence is already getting eroded? These two, if allowed more say in SAARC, would completely eliminate our influence among the nations of the Indian subcontinent. I cannot think of a better form of harakiri than this. China does everything to subscribe our influence everywhere and Swamy wants us to invite them and bestow them with concessions like this especially when we have no access in the SCO? China has opposed our membership in ASEAN, UNSC, NSG etc. }

“Prime Minister Narendra Modi has made it clear that in foreign policy, neighbours come first,” he said, with SAARC countries — whose leaders were invited to Mr. Modi’s swearing-in — being followed by Asia and then the United States in terms of emphasis. “Mr. Modi overruled people who said Pakistan should not be invited,” he said.

His first trip was to Bhutan, also a SAARC country. He disregarded objections in Tamil Nadu and invited [Sri Lankan President] Rajapaksa. We are expecting the President of China to visit India [later this year]. I think our approach would be to deal with Asian neighbours and their interests first, and then proceed further.”

Sunday’s meeting involved former leaders including Japan’s Yukio Hatoyama and Pakistan’s Shaukat Aziz, serving and retired diplomats, and strategic experts from around the world for discussions on China’s relations with the U.S., Japan, South Asia and Southeast Asia.

Dr. Swamy said there was “an urgent need for structuring a new paradigm” for regional ties in South Asia, with the present SAARC charter that prevents the inclusion of bilateral issues in its agenda undermining its effectiveness and making the grouping “anaemic.”

Trilateral meeting

He pointed to issues such as Pakistan’s “explicit and implicit complicity in terror” and illegal immigration from Bangladesh has “roadblocks” that needed addressing. India should also have trilateral meetings with the U.S. and China considering the reality of their influence on countries in the neighbourhood. Increased political understanding with China would also help address lingering issues such as the boundary dispute, he said citing the example of China and Russia settling their dispute.
This guy just shoots off his mouth and then scoots somewhere else. He is just waiting for the next big thing.
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Fortunately, this Sibal is more sensible and ncautious than his traitor of a brother

TOWARDS RECIPROCITY
By reaching out dramatically to our neighbours and other major powers so rapidly after winning the general election, has Narendra Modi been unusually pro-active or unexpectedly defensive? Inviting immediate neighbours and Mauritius to the swearing-in ceremony is out-of-the-box thinking that underlines the importance India intends attaching to improved relations with neighbours and to ties of kinship with more distant countries with sizeable populations of Indian origin. Affirming India’s natural leadership of our region might also have been in mind. All this would be in tune with Modi’s inspired style of functioning.

On the other hand, for 12 years Modi has been ceaselessly projected as a divisive, communal and polarizing figure by the political class, the media and intellectuals in India. This campaign has also tarnished his image in similar circles abroad. Conscious of this image-deficit, Modi may have wanted to immediately disarm concerns about his ascension to power by going out of the way to signal moderation and willingness to engage without prejudice. How will this unforeseen political messaging be understood abroad? Some, sceptical about Modi, may see in these tactical moves to first shape external opinion favourably by acting contrary to expectations and then, with the political space created, pursue India’s interests vigorously in line with the “India First” ideology.

Others, more open-minded, may see Modi’s moves reflecting a sense of responsibility that normally accompanies power. They would reason that Modi could be a divisive figure to win elections but has to be a unifying figure to govern successfully, especially given his development focus that can get blurred if peace and stability are disturbed inside and outside the country. His early initiatives could thus be construed as well-considered steps to stabilize India’s external environment and alter the perception that as a strong, decisive and politically combative person he will be a problematic interlocutor.

If Modi is right in wanting to give priority to the economy, improve investment sentiment and revive growth, and to this end pursue conciliatory policies, the question remains how far he can go in this direction. Can conciliatory policies be sustained if others expect their demands to be met but are unwilling to respond to our concerns? A related question is whether our seeming anxiety to remove the apprehensions of others might actually reduce pressure on them to accommodate a presumably more assertive government in New Delhi. Looked at differently, would they not have reason, as before, to press India for concessions while they make none themselves?

China’s alacrity in engaging the Modi government, for instance, is without promise of moving forward on the border issue. The Chinese foreign minister, in spite of the opportunity given him to be the first foreign leader to greet the new government, has almost mockingly dismissed our objections to the stapled visas regime for Arunachalis by calling it a “goodwill gesture” — a flexible “special arrangement”, which does not undermine or compromise “our respective positions” on “big parts” of disputed territory. This hollows out the relevant guiding principle for border settlement against disturbing settled populations. China’s strategy is to consolidate border management mechanisms that would limit, in its view, provocative patrolling by India while they have freedom of action in areas they consider incontestable. Its declared aim is to reduce the impact of border differences on bilateral relations to the “minimum level”.

China’s conduct does not merit the positive way in which we officially project our bilateral ties. Our strategic partnership is not founded on Chinese friendship and goodwill. On the contrary, China is most responsible for strategically damaging us gravely by arming Pakistan with nuclear and missile technologies. Its policies in the rest of our neighbourhood undermine our interests. It is the only country, along with Pakistan, that has territorial claims on us. We are being drawn towards China because of its phenomenal economic success, not any alignment of regional interests. In the economic domain, too, we are not recipients of any Chinese largesse. China has limited our access to its domestic market; the trade gap last year of $31 billion is unsustainable. We now seem to be courting Chinese investment in infrastructure and industrial parks, for which Wang Yi expects “more preferential policies and investment facilitation for Chinese businesses”, implying no significant results for now. Based on existing ground realities and assessment of future Chinese policies, India and China, contrary to Wang Yi’s claim are not “natural partners”. Even a stronger economic relationship is no guarantee of the solidity of future ties as is shown by the China-Japan equation, which too is vitiated by territorial differences.

Getting the relationship back on track with the United States also does not mean addressing our concerns about its Pakistan policy, the lack of transparency in its dialogue with the Taliban, its new immigration law, the imposition of costs on our IT industry by hiking the fees for H1B and L1 visas, the lack of movement on the totalization agreement, the targeting of our trade, investment and policies on intellectual property rights in response to sectoral interests of select US corporations, closing the Devyani Khobragade case and removing Modi from the visa blacklist. It actually means that India is delivering on US demands, those of boosting the confidence of foreign businesses, lifting foreign investment caps in the insurance and defence sectors, placing more orders for US defence equipment, opening the market to US agricultural products, removing local content rules in certain product areas, revising our nuclear liability legislation and so on, with the the American vice-president’s mirage of a $500 billion annual India-US trade in the next five years in view.

In Pakistan’s case, too, the more we reach out to it, the more it expects us to make concessions. We have not been able to deal with this predicament because of our urge to engage Pakistan. Its long-standing narrative is that India blocks peace efforts by refusing to respond to its overtures, including not taking advantage of Nawaz Sharif’s declared goodwill towards us. Unsurprisingly, Pakistanis are complaining that Nawaz Sharif’s India visit has produced nothing substantial even though he defied the military and the Islamists to attend Modi’s swearing-in. Pakistan’s touchstone for progress in relations is a “result-oriented” dialogue on Kashmir, culling the “low-hanging” fruit of Siachen and Sir Creek, addressing Pakistan’s water-related concerns, without it delivering on terrorism, trials of those responsible for the Mumbai massacre, curbing jihadi leaders or granting “most favoured nation” status to India. To finesse India’s desire to change the dialogue format, Nawaz Sharif has cleverly proposed raising the dialogue on Kashmir and terrorism to the political level, knowing that this will enable him to demonstrate success in enhancing the profile of the Kashmir issue and, as before, side-step India’s terrorism concerns by claiming that Pakistan is a bigger victim of terrorism. He also proposes joint mechanisms to deal with unfounded Indian accusations.

The new government is right to focus on the priority task of building a prosperous India in collaboration with all partners, existing and prospective. The challenge is to engage and obtain reciprocal responses from others, which is not assured unless our policies are backed by national strength.

The author is former foreign secretary of India sibalkanwal@gmail.com
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http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/sha ... y-join-pmo
Shashank likely to return to MEA, Jaishankar may join PMO
PANKAJ VOHRA New Delhi | 28th Jun 2014

Former Foreign Secretary Shashank is likely to return to the Ministry of External Affairs as an Adviser to External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj. The minister is understood to be mulling his appointment after considering at least two other prominent names for the same post. Shashank, a low profile Indian Foreign Service officer of 1966 batch, was Foreign Secretary for a brief period between December 2003 and July 2004. He has served as the ambassador to Denmark, South Korea and Libya and is widely respected for his diplomatic skills.

Another important appointment in the pipeline may be that of Dr S. Jaishankar, India's ambassador to the United States, who was earlier envoy to China. The cerebral Jaishankar, a 1977 batch IFS officer, is being considered as points man for China in the Prime Minister's Office. It is known that Prime Minister Modi is looking to enhance trade and investment with China sharply, and in this context, the government has reportedly cleared the setting up of China-specific SEZs. He had been India's envoy to Beijing from 2009 to 2013 and is considered a leading Sinologist. The son of strategic affairs expert K. Subrahmanyum, he was also in contention for being appointed the Foreign Secretary, but lost out to Sujatha Singh in view of the latter's family links with the Gandhis.She chaired the meeting where they moved visa on arrival to Bangladeshi nationals. He has served in the Czech Republic as also in Japan and Singapore, and in China accompanied the then Gujarat Chief Minister Modi's visit to that country, thereby raising eyebrows in the Manmohan Singh government.

Jaishankar's name had earlier been doing the rounds for the position of the National Security Adviser (NSA), but Prime Minister Modi, after due consideration, selected Ajit Doval, who is close to the saffron camp. There were indications that he could be appointed the Deputy NSA, a position he was not very comfortable with. A decision on his appointment is expected shortly, along with others in the pipeline.

Should Jaishankar return to New Delhi, the Modi government may soon announce the name of a new ambassador to Washington. There are indications that the new envoy would be a political figure. If the government decides to go with a politician with a Foreign Service background, Hardeep Singh Puri, who joined the BJP after serving as India's Permanent Representative in the United Nations, could get the nod. He is known to enjoy the confidence of senior leaders in the BJP, the party he joined after retirement from the Foreign Service.

The government is also in the process of finalising the names of new Governors, some of whom may be appointed next week. There are nearly half a dozen vacancies after the resignations of B.L. Joshi, Shekhar Dutt, Ashwani Kumar, M.K. Narayanan and probably Bharat Wanchoo. The terms of Karnataka Governor Hansraj Bhardwaj ends on Sunday and so does the tenure of Haryana Governor Jagnath Pahadia.

The Prime Minister may also go in for a Cabinet expansion in the coming week as the Budget session commences on 7 July and lasts until 14 August. Normally, no ministers are sworn in during a Parliament session. Modi has to appoint a new Defence Minister as Finance Minister Arun Jaitley is holding an additional charge of the portfolio. He has to also fill the vacancy caused by the demise of his colleague Gopinath Munde in a road accident earlier this month.

In addition, the Prime Minister may also re-structure the Planning Commission by inducting new members crucial to his policies and agenda, besides re-formatting the Commission to suit the Modi Model of governance, now expanded to an all-India scale after the success of its introduction and functioning in Gujarat.
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Berlin gaffe messes up Modi visit
In fact, his visit would have been perfect if it wasn't for some spectacular protocol bungling by his own government about an aborted meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
But as Modi landed in Berlin on his transit stopover to Brazil, it highlighted his government's ridiculous acceptance of a hare-brained German plan for a meeting with Merkel. There was no way Merkel could have been kept away from Brazil if the German team made it to the World Cup final. The Indian government should have thought twice before even going down this path which ended in a bit of embarrassment. In the process, the Indians also succeeded in angering the Japanese. Modi had written a letter to Shinzo Abe promising to make Japan his first bilateral summit. That will happen, but with a bad taste all around.
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Its TOIlet gloating about an imaginary gaffe by Modi Sarkar. They are acting as Congress mouthpiece.
No need ot sweat about TOIlet fulminations.

It was unpredictable that Germany would make it to the finals in FIFA when the itenary was lined up.
And Germany is transit visit and not a final destination.
So what is the gloating about?


Indrani Bagchi should be ashamed at the spectualr goof up of stating the BRICS Bank capital is $100 Million when it is $100 Billion!!!!

The BRICS Development Bank with a corpus of $100 million will fund projects in developing countries. India and China are competing to host the headquarters in New Delhi or Shanghai.

....
She needs to take of her Congress given glasses and start seeing in proper presepective.
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>>Its TOIlet gloating about an imaginary gaffe by Modi Sarkar.

Yes, and even worse, they are trying to create a gaffe where none exists...
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Rony wrote:
In fact, his visit would have been perfect if it wasn't for some spectacular protocol bungling by his own government about an aborted meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
But as Modi landed in Berlin on his transit stopover to Brazil, it highlighted his government's ridiculous acceptance of a hare-brained German plan for a meeting with Merkel. There was no way Merkel could have been kept away from Brazil if the German team made it to the World Cup final. The Indian government should have thought twice before even going down this path which ended in a bit of embarrassment. In the process, the Indians also succeeded in angering the Japanese. Modi had written a letter to Shinzo Abe promising to make Japan his first bilateral summit. That will happen, but with a bad taste all around.
Which nations paper would make news report about an issue of protocol and that too PMs itinerary.
We may have to start boycotting the TOIlet newspaper
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Berlin gaffe messes up Modi visit
But as Modi landed in Berlin on his transit stopover to Brazil, it highlighted his government's ridiculous acceptance of a hare-brained German plan for a meeting with Merkel. There was no way Merkel could have been kept away from Brazil if the German team made it to the World Cup final. The Indian government should have thought twice before even going down this path which ended in a bit of embarrassment. In the process, the Indians also succeeded in angering the Japanese. Modi had written a letter to Shinzo Abe promising to make Japan his first bilateral summit. That will happen, but with a bad taste all around.

Rubbish...

AI has the 777-300ER and the 787-8; both of around 14,500 km max range. The distance between New Delhi and Brasilia is about 14,200 km per the Great Circle Mapper website.

He would have had to stop and refuel somewhere! Germany is as good a place to refuel as anywhere else.

Breathless "mountain out of a molehill reporting" as usual from that useless broadsheet pretender called ToI-let.

PS: It is Indrani Bagchi, probably reporting from New Delhi. Khatte angoor!? :mrgreen:
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X-posted from Geopolitical thread

IBSA as important, if not more than BRICS - R.Vishwanathan, Economic Times
Prime Minister Narendra Modi is attending the Sixth BRICS summit in Brazil on 15-16 July. During his meeting with President Dilma Rousseff, Mr. Modi will review the bilateral relations with Brazil - with which India is committed to a strategic partnership.

The Indo-Brazil partnership soared to new heights during the term of visionary Brazilian president Lula in 2003-11. But his successor, Ms Rousseff, has given the least priority to foreign policy, focussing instead on domestic issues. Her approach in combination with the passive policy of former PM Manmohan Singh meant a loss of momentum in bilateral relations in the last three years. Mr. Modi, who has Lula-like vision, would have to take the initiative and reenergise the partnership.

Then there is the IBSA alliance, a fascinating combination of the leading democracies of the three continents which has come to be marginalized by BRICS in recent years. But IBSA is equally important, if not more, for India. IBSA's objectives are distinct from those of BRICS in which China and Russia represent the status quo in global power equations. Mr Modi should talk to the Brazilian and South African Presidents to rejuvenate IBSA and keep its identity and aspirations alive.

After the BRICS summit on 15 July in Fortaleza, the Brazilians have organized a meeting for the BRICS leaders with the Presidents of South America on 16 July in Brasilia. This is an imaginative idea by the Brazilians to bridge their regional leadership with their BRICS alliance.

It is perhaps the first time that an Indian Prime Minister will get an opportunity to meet South American leaders together. In the last two decades, South American leaders have started pursuing a more autonomous and assertive foreign policy with a strong belief in a multipolar world and multilateralism.

They have freed themselves from the stigma of being called the "backyard of United States." This is evident from their success in thwarting the US proposal to form a hemispheric Free Trade Area of the Americas. They have preferred to become collectively strong through UNASUR (South American Union). In this context, the South American leaders, will welcome Modi's proactive role in global affairs and will look forward to working with India.

South America is emerging as a contributor to India's energy and food security. Venezuela, Brazil, Ecuador and Colombia have started supplying crude oil regularly.

While there is growing gap between India's domestic production and demand, South America has the potential to increase its oil production and exports in the future.

India has been importing more than a billion dollars' worth of soy and sunflower oil from Brazil and Argentina annually. It has also been importing over 2 billion dollars' worth minerals (copper is the main item) from South America which has rich mineral resources.

On the other hand, the South American political and business leaders view India as a new, large and growing market for their exports. Conscious of the perils of overdependence on China, they are keen to diversify and cultivate India as a trade partner. Argentina learnt this lesson when China imposed a ban on imports of Argentine soy oil in 2010 to express their displeasure with Argentina on some other issue.

Argentina, the world's largest exporter of soy oil, was shocked since China was till then the largest importer of Argentine soy oil. Argentina was relieved and grateful when India came to its rescue by doubling its imports of soy oil in that difficult year. The South American governments and consumers are happy with Indian pharmaceutical companies which have helped them to reduce their cost of health care with low-cost generic medicines.

The South Americans also appreciate the fact that the Indian IT companies in the region provide jobs and training for their young people.
As South America is emerging as a significant trade partner, India should deepen and widen the Preferential Trade Agreement with Chile and Mercosur and consider upgrading them to FTAs and also sign FTAs with Colombia and Peru, the second and third largest destinations of India's exports to South America.

India should increase Lines of Credit to South American countries and sign the Double Taxation Avoidance Agreements with major countries to facilitate investment and trade.
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Berlin stop-over was needed. That is a different matter.

But, I agree with Irani Bagchi in the 'bad taste' the Modi government has created as far as Japan is concerned. That should not have happened. The Japanese Foreign Ministry is complaining that they are coming to know about the unlikelihood of Modi's visit there in June/July from media reports. No doubt that Modi wrote a personal letter to Abe, but that seems to have come much later after the damage was already done. Now, the tri-partite India-US-Japan meeting has been called off.
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^^ Okay, is the tri-partite India-US-Japan being called off because

a. US is piqued about BRICS (even reuters.in was reporting that BRICS will not sign an agreement as much as 8 hours back!!!)

b. Japan is piqued because BRICS does not have Japan in them and somehow India has equalized its partnership with China (leaving Japan with less than optimal negotiation room!)

In terms of realpolitik, diplomats do understand that having a substansive India-Japan summit is more important than a Bombama style photo-op herrowic gate-crash. Diplomats also understand the issues around transits.

Modi had only few choices, since Modi had to stop over somewhere in Europe. Let us pick the countries Modi could have stopped over en-route to Brazil,

a. Russia (Putin was coming over for BRICS and no point in going to Russia when Putin is in Brazil)
b. Poland/Ukraine/Romania/Lithuania/Latvia - No option
c. Italy? - Of all nation - Italy!!!! :eek: CONgoons will have a field day
d. France? - C'mon if we have to later negotiate for Rafale, having a stopover in France is going to be counter productive.
e. UK?
f. US?

The other option would have been fly to Australia via either Indonesia and then to Peru/Brazil. This route is very less travelled, and you do not want to risk your PM via a less travelled route.

So Germany was a good choice. In fact it shows the short-sightedness of Merkel. In her absence she could have still rolled out a red-carpet for India and won some brownie points. In fact Germany lost an opportunity to play big in world stage, they will be constrained to European politics given that Merkel is at helm.

Edit: Corrected message above.

PS: If India-China has a frosty relationship, that is advantage Japan - and they can drive a hard bargain for say funding DMIC., now with equalized relation with China in creating BRICS - in theory India has created what I call as "plan B".

Realpolitik is always wheels-within-wheels. And my take is any leader who can successfully navigate Indian politics as a mass leader is already astute and capable in world stage!
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Any nation in the BRICS should have top priority for India. So even China with whom India has tense relations with should have higher priority over any non BRICS nations such as Japan. For example, Japan will always give higher priority to the US over India. This is the way it is. Even in BRICS India will have to assign different priority level to different members; I would say from Indian interest, the priority should be: Russia, Brazil, South Africa and China in that order.
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