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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dists.html
A senior Amnesty International official has been suspended after attacking the human rights charity for allying itself with 'Britain's most famous supporter of the Taliban'.
Gita Sahgal, head of the organisation's gender unit, branded Amnesty's links to former Guantanamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg a 'gross error of judgment'.
She was removed from her post within a few hours of her criticism emerging, and now a bitter war of words is raging between the activist and her employer.
Her situation has sparked fury among Amnesty's own members, some of whom are now threatening to quit the organisation and cease donations.
A group set up on social networking website Facebook, named 'Amnesty International, you b***** hypocrites, reinstate Gita Saghal' already has almost 700 members.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100210/j ... 088582.jsp
Gita Sahgal, daughter of novelist Nayantara Sahgal and granddaughter of Jawaharlal Nehru’s sister Vijayalakshmi Pandit, has been suspended from her job with Amnesty International in London for blowing the whistle on the human rights organisation.
:( :roll:

Let the fun begin. :lol:
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Christian teacher 'forced out' after complaining Muslim pupils praised 9/11 hijackers 'as heroes'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... acism.html

The predominantly Muslim youngsters openly praised Islamic extremists in class and described the September 11 terrorists as 'heroes and martyrs'.
One pupil said: 'Don't touch me, you're a Christian' when he brushed against him.

Others said: 'We want to be Islamic bombers when we grow up', and 'The Christians and Jews are our enemies - you too because you're a Christian'.
Mr Kafouris, a Greek Cypriot, taught for 12 years at Bigland Green Primary School in Tower Hamlets, East London.
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/exposed-nak ... lated.html
“I was a little scared. Something happens [inside the scans], and I came out. Then I saw these girls – they had these printouts. I looked at them. I thought they were some forms you had to fill. I said ‘give them to me’ – and you could see everything inside. So I autographed them for them,” stated Khan
:roll: 8)
The abuse of the naked body scan images in this instance is a total violation of every data protection law in the UK. Far from treating the story in a comical manner, Khan should be filing a very expensive lawsuit and preparing for a successful and lucrative outcome.
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Jarita wrote:Christian teacher 'forced out' after complaining Muslim pupils praised 9/11 hijackers 'as heroes'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... acism.html

The predominantly Muslim youngsters openly praised Islamic extremists in class and described the September 11 terrorists as 'heroes and martyrs'.
One pupil said: 'Don't touch me, you're a Christian' when he brushed against him.

Others said: 'We want to be Islamic bombers when we grow up', and 'The Christians and Jews are our enemies - you too because you're a Christian'.
Mr Kafouris, a Greek Cypriot, taught for 12 years at Bigland Green Primary School in Tower Hamlets, East London.
Extraordinary, to say the least!
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 550166.cms
A 'Freedom of Information' survey conducted by the Sun shows that in the last eight years, 15 girls of ten and 39 aged 11 were found to be expecting. Also, around 300 aged 13 or under get pregnant
every year in England and Wales. And since 2002 there have been 63,487 pregnancies among under-15s almost 23 every day.
Child marriage or individual freedom :roll: :oops:
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x-post from the persp thread.

Blessed Brit-e-stan is in the news again. Warnings are dire and all, but I would take them with a pinch of salt. UK-stan is too big to fail, after all. Isn't it? Isn't it??

'Tidal wave' of British business failure feared as tax help scheme ends
The Government has been warned that it faces a "ticking time bomb" of company closures and job losses when a scheme to allow firms to delay their tax payments is wound up. Experts say the "time to pay" programme has been a resounding success and has kept many businesses afloat in the recession, since HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) would normally have first call on their money and could have pushed them into liquidation or administration.

But insolvency firms expect that the £4.8bn scheme, which has helped 160,000 businesses employing 1.2 million people, will be axed after the expected May general election, so companies will have to stump up their delayed VAT, national insurance and other tax payments. Malcolm Shierson, a partner at Grant Thornton's recovery and reorganisation practice, said the number of business failures fell in the last three months of 2009 but were still a near historic high. "We expect the number of liquidations to shoot up even further when the future government stops extending the 'time to pay' tax scheme," he said.
Wonder why the brits are suddenly all up in arms against their former benefactors like the big banks based in londonistan ('pay the 50% bonus supertax or else ship out!') and now this ('enough flexible tax payment scheduling. Cough up now or else...'). Could things on the revenue side really be that dire in UK stan? Not that I would find that very hard to believe, still, I do find it a tad surprising only.

Sure enough, soothing words arrive asap:
A Treasury spokesman said last night: "The 'time to pay' scheme has been hugely beneficial for businesses facing difficulties and will continue to run as long as necessary. Any suggestion that it will end suddenly and businesses forced to repay is incorrect and runs counter to what the scheme was set up to achieve." The Treasury said more than 90 per cent of tax payments are being repaid on time. Of the £4.8bn deferred in tax, some £3.69bn is already in the process of being repaid.
Well, good for the small businesses, I guess. The common man is burdened enough already, even in UK stan. Hope they get a reprieve.

And more:
Ireland's suffering offers a glimpse of Britain's future under the Tories

Right! So vote labor and Sri Brown (Borrow-n?) back into the saddle. Please!
Darling has no intention of being swayed by critics who say that Ireland is showing how deficit reduction should be done. Indeed, he would quite welcome some interest being taken in events across the Irish Sea, for if Greece is the right's nightmare vision of where the UK is heading under Labour, Ireland is Labour's dystopia of a Tory Britain.
Hmmm. But what is so terrible abt things in Ireland currently, pray tell?
Unlike Britain, the United States, France, Germany, China and the rest of the G20, Ireland has not rediscovered Keynes. It has spurned counter-cyclical budgetary policy and instead has been raising taxes and cutting spending in a series of budgets and mini-budgets that have sucked demand out of the economy. Lenihan has cut child benefit by 10%, public-sector pay by up to 15%, and raised prescription charges by 50%. One eighth of the working population has no job, yet unemployment benefit is being cut by 4.1%. For the young unemployed, the measures are even more draconian: the dole has been slashed by 50%.
{Ouch!}
The consensus view in the markets is that Ireland will be rewarded for its prudence. Bond yields will come down because investors will grow less anxious about a default. The ratings agencies will think again about downgrading Ireland's credit rating. This, though, is by no means guaranteed. Ireland has experienced near-depression conditions over the past 18 months, and the expectation that budget cuts will lead to spontaneous recovery through which the private sector will compensate for the retreat of the public sector is unproved. Indeed, there is a considerable risk that removing spending power from the economy will lead to more companies going bust and deter the survivors from investing more.
The writing on the wall is clear. UK-stan must steer clear of this madness in Ireland and go the way of Greece instead. It must re-discover and re-invent Keynes if necessary and turn the QE taps full on in the night when no one's looking.
Unlike in Greece, there has been no rioting on the streets. Ireland has a corporatist system of government in which the social partners seek consensus rather than confrontation. The onset of austerity, according to some commentators, has been greeted with a certain stoicism, as if there had to be payback time after the excesses of the boom years. Even so, the fiscal retrenchment is stretching the social fabric to its limits. David Begg, general secretary of Ireland's Congress of Trade Unions, has described the policies of the Fianna Fáil/Green coalition as a "charter for exploitation" that puts "very deep blue water between this government and the majority of Irish people".
Ain't no way in hell UKstan will swallow the bitter auterity pill with anything approaching the stoicism the Irish have displayed. Expect UKstan's welfare mooching packees to hit the streets in full force in riot gear only, if nothing. UK really has no choice but to go the sovereign default way. period. IMHO, of course.

Now, maybe Yindia can help them with a few USDs here and there for our ancient treasures looted and hoarded currently in UKstan's museums....
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Phillip,

Labour are a totally immoral party.They will do anything for the islamic vote.
If they were to dare to restrict moslem immigration they would be threatened with riots by the moslems. So they let more in, compounding the threat even more.
moslems are a huge vote bank here.

The most productive people are the Jews & Indians, they want our money and moslem votes.
When that Choot Milliband was in Mumbhai he made those comments about Kashmir in order to buy favour with the paks in the UK, it worked too even the LeT issued a statement supporting him. LeT has a huge support base in the UK.

Cameron/Conservatives maybe better but only time will tell. It is only a matter of time and there will be a "big one" in the UK with hundreds dead and civil disturbance will be the result.

I can't wait for Labour to go, Ba$tards one and all. 12 years they have screwed this country.They have loaded the BBC with people who support their stupid socialist beliefs.
Thats why the BBC produces pro paki/islamic propaganda.
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^^ IF all that was true, why did they invade Iraq/Afghanistan? Surely for muslim votes. :roll:
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Hindu wins Northumberland funeral pyre battle

Is it just me or the bbc headline here is grossly irreverent

Using just "Hindu" instead of "Hindu man" ?
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shyamd,

Afghanistan was in the national security interest after 9/11, there was no way the taliban regime was going to be allowed to exist as it was protecting AQ, the USA is a NATO ally, the invasion of AFG did not happen for no reason at all. Regardless of pandering to the UK moslem population.

Iraq...wel what can I say, our very own Tony bLIAR & NuLiarbour thought they would be greeted with applause by the islamic world for getting rid of a very secular anti islamist dictator. It all went wrong.

I noticce that you did not mention the bombing of Serbia or the illegal invasion of Kosovo at the behest of the OIC.
We now have two islamic daggers pointing at the heart of europe, not to mention all those islamic immigrants who will forever owe their allegence & loyalty to the Ummah and never a nation state.

Do you remember Mike O'Brein MP and his infamous letter "Labour & British moslems, can we dream the same dream"??
If you are not familiar with it I will post it late.

Regards

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shyamd -> If America deceides on somthing Britian can't say no, they are too dependent on America to say no to them no matter how much they hate it.
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Aditya_V, of course.

Haresh. Please post the letter. And... well, islamic world happy to get rid of saddam?? ermm.... not sure if the sunni states will agree with you, maybe Kuwait. Despite record protests etc from muslims and trust me domestic intelligence would have told him exactly what muslims thought about Iraq.

Afg- so you admit that they were FORCED to do it, regardless of the UK muslim population?
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First Hindu state school in Britain opened last week

Krishna Avanti http://www.krishna-avanti.org.uk/about/ ... chool.html


Obligatory opinion piece about letting everyone of all religions in

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... hool-faith
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Labour and British Muslims:
Can we dream the same dream?
by Mike O`Brien MP

Are some Muslims about to vote against the best friend they have ever had in government? Can people really claim that the Labour Government is a friend of Muslims after Iraq? The answer may surprise you.

Understandably, many Muslims are very angry about the war. Traditionally they have supported Labour but some are now switching to the Liberal Democrats, Respect or even the Tories. But the real question is whether there is a danger that anger may be causing Muslims to vote against their own long-term interests?

Putting a cross on a ballot paper is much more than just about expressing anger; a General Election is not some kind of referendum on the Governments` record on one issue. It is about making a balanced political judgment between political parties and deciding which of them should have a majority in a Parliament. It is about the kind of country you want to live in. It is about considering what a Labour Government rather than a Conservative Government has done and will do in the future for Muslims. I suggest that a vote, which weighs in the balance the long-term implications for Muslims, is the right approach.

We all know the importance of Iraq. Indeed, some people will try to convince you that it is the only issue that matters. Most however, will look beyond Iraq to also consider other issues such as the fate of the Palestinians. Despite the many setbacks over the last few years, the creation of a Palestinian state is a cause that the Prime Minister has repeatedly raised with great conviction and never abandoned. He has even declared it to be his personal priority. It is the key to peace in the Middle East. He has long advocated a two state solution, Palestine and Israel, side by side, both at peace. The reality is that the only way a Palestinian state will be created is if Israel is prepared to concede land it currently occupies on the West Bank and Gaza. Whether we in Britain like it or not, the reality of the modern world is that only the Americans can influence Israel. And it seems only Tony Blair has any influence with the Americans. Can anyone seriously imagine that Michael Howard or Charles Kennedy would be able to significantly influence George W. Bush? If they do, then they need to join the real world. The Prime Minister who has the most political clout to help the Palestinians is Tony Blair.

No one claims that the creation of a Palestinian state is going to be an easy ride for Tony Blair or for the Labour government but we are willing to stay the distance, no matter how difficult it gets. The Labour government and the Prime Minister have a record of arguing strongly that the creation of a Palestinian state is essential to peace and justice, and that any settlement must be based upon land being given for peace in line with UN Resolution 242. When the Americans and Israelis refused to negotiate with Yasser Arafat, Tony Blair promptly sent myself as the Foreign Office Minister, to visit Yasser Arafat in the Muquata in Ramallah to convey the message that we had not abandoned him. Tony Blair’s message was clear: we will work with the elected leader of the Palestinians, even if the Americans will not. On the issue of the assassination of the leaders of Hamas, Jack Straw as the Foreign Secretary was the first Western politician to condemn Israel’s actions.

Soon after the recent US elections, Tony Blair travelled to Washington to make it very clear that he wanted to see the road map to a Palestinian state opened up. If we are to have a Palestinian state in the next five years, then a key player in creating it will be the British Prime Minister, who will need to have world influence. In practice, only Tony Blair has the required credentials and track record. The reality remains that with George W. Bush in the White House, neither Charles Kennedy nor Michael Howard has the clout to deliver.

Are you still unconvinced that the Muslims need or should want a Labour Prime Minister in Downing Street? Well, let‚s compare Tony Blair with previous Prime Ministers. He is the first Prime Minister to have ever read the Qur‚an, to quote from it and to talk about it. Can anyone imagine Margaret Thatcher or John Major doing the same? Whilst in opposition, Tony Blair had developed a genuine dialogue and relationship with a number of Muslims and Islamic organisations, based not just on getting votes but also on his interest in assisting Muslims achieve their rightful place in British life.

After 1997 Muslim groups were welcomed into the Home Office, the Foreign Office and 10 Downing Street. For the first time ever, four Muslim peers were appointed to the Lords and the first Muslim Labour MPs were elected. Even today, no other Party has a Muslim in the Commons. Labour is also the Party that has the largest number of Muslim councillors. We are proud of this achievement, but we have not yet finished. If you ask who are the only Party running Muslims in seriously winnable seats for the next election, the only answer is Labour.

The Muslim Council of Britain has been at the forefront of lobbying the Government on issues to help Muslims. Recently Iqbal Sacranie, the General Secretary of the Council, asked Tony Blair to declare that the Government would introduce a new law banning religious discrimination. Two weeks later, in the middle of his speech to the Labour Party Conference, Tony Blair promised that the next Labour Government would ban religious discrimination. It was a major victory for the Muslim community in Britain.

But this is not the first and only time that Labour Party has delivered for Muslims. When I was a Home Office Minister in 1997, the MCB lobbied me to introduce not only a new law which would increase sentences for racial violence and harassment but also to recognise the particular problems faced by Muslims. As a result we were able to amend the law to make religion a factor in any violence and harassment. Today, new Crime Bill, announced in the Queens Speech is coming before Parliament to toughen the laws on incitement to religious hatred. This has upset some M.P.`s such as Evan Harris MP, the Liberal Democrat spokesman, who has said he will oppose it because it is unnecessary!

Within weeks of coming to power, people will remember that Labour also repealed the appalling Primary Purpose Rule that discriminated against people coming to join their families in Britain, from Pakistan, Bangladesh and from other Muslim countries. This law introduced by the Conservatives caused a great deal of anguish and had broken up families. Labour promised to repeal it and promptly delivered after the election.

The new Labour Government was the first British government to give state recognition and funding to Muslim schools. Previously only Christian and Jewish schools had been allowed this opportunity. The Liberal Democrats opposed Muslim schools and Labour had to push legislation through the Commons against their strong opposition. At the same time the Foreign Office adopted a new policy to provide support for the Hajj delegation, sending doctors and administrators to Saudi Arabia to help British Hajjis. We are the only Western government to do so. Thousands of Muslims who travelled to Mecca have benefited from the change. And each year in the Commons there is now an Eid celebration, often attended by the PM, as he did this year.

I also remember when the issue arose about Muslims being included in the Remembrance Day ceremonies. Tony Blair was appalled that Muslims were being excluded and changed the protocol. He insisted that at all future civic ceremonies, including for example the commemoration of September 11 at St Paul’s Cathedral, Muslims would have a prominent role.

And across a whole range of social issues, on creating jobs, reducing poverty, on welfare reform and housing policy, Muslims have benefited from Labour government policies. Take for example the Sure Start initiative, which financed the new crèche opened at the London Muslim Centre in East London. It provides childcare facilities for the predominantly Muslim women in the whole area, in a place in which they have confidence in leaving their children.

In 2000 I took through the Commons the first Race Relations laws in a quarter of a century. Labour wanted to ensure that all public services had an obligation to promote good community relations. The impact of the law will be wide ranging.

Some might say these changes are all the result of pressure from within the Labour Party rather than the personal influence of Tony Blair himself. It is certainly true that it is the Labour Party as a whole which has had the support of Muslims; it is the Party that has supported migrant communities and the Welfare State. But Tony Blair’s keen interest in Muslim issues has been a key driver of progress through the last seven years. He was keen to ensure the interests of Muslims were considered and protected when Labour introduced the Minimum Wage, the Working Families Tax Credit and community development strategies.

It was also the PM who was personally committed to the intervention in Kosovo to help the Muslims who were being murdered by the Serbs. This was an intervention entirely for humanitarian reasons, opposed by many on the liberal Left of British politics like George Galloway. Many Muslims in Kosovo owe their lives to British intervention. Likewise, British funding of the reconstruction of Bosnia has helped Bosnian Muslims slowly re-build a future. It is Tony Blair who has personally championed the entry of Turkey- a Muslim country into the EU and he has taken a personal interest in dealing with the humanitarian crisis in Darfur. One of the key policies promoted by the Chancellor, Gordon Brown has been development aid, with 33 of the countries receiving British foreign aid being Muslim. Since 1997, the British aid assistance to Bangladesh alone has doubled.

You will have noticed I have left out the anti-terrorism legislation out of this balance sheet. There is no denying that this is a difficult issue; so let me tackle it head on. After the Madrid bombing, no one seriously doubts that we face concerns about terrorism but many have concerns about the ways in which anti-terrorism laws are being implemented.

I come from an Irish Catholic family brought up in the West Midlands. I remember the aftermath of the Birmingham pub bombings, with the introduction of anti-terrorism laws and internment. The 1970s were a time when understandably fear and anger went through the Irish Catholic community in Britain. Remember the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four who were Convicted and later acquitted? Yet, despite the fact that problems arose in implementation of these laws we realise now that the anti terrorist laws were always targeted at terrorists and not at all Irish Catholics. So too today, the legislation is targeted at terrorists, not at all Muslims. Today, Ministers are doing the best they can to ensure that the laws are not wrongly used and have publicly reject the notion that these are anti-Muslim laws. Tony Blair has personally and repeatedly made this clear.

So, I ask Muslims to look at the balance sheet on the Labour government and Blair as a whole. The balance sheet shows show both positives and negatives. No one is suggesting we can possibly measure the suffering of Iraqi’s since the war, any more than we can forget the countless Iraqis that Saddam himself killed during his long tyranny.

It is true that the Prime Minister has disagreed openly with Muslims on removing Saddam and some Muslim may feel betrayed, but, across a range of other vital issues from Kosovo to policies in Britain, the Labour government are trying to deliver an agenda that has shown consideration and respect for Muslims.

And it is also important to reflect on the fact that in some seats a vote for the Liberal Democrats or Respect may be an outlet for anger over Iraq, but, in a House of over 600 MPs, it is unlikely to elect more than a handful of the minority party. The real question is who is in Government? What a protest vote could do across the country is to switch votes away from the Labour column and allow the Party that is in second place in most seats to gain a considerable numbers of M.P.`s. That Party is the Conservative Party, not the Liberal Democrats, nor Respect. The truth is that, if you vote Lib Dem or Respect, then you could end up with a Conservative MP and Conservative Government. That is the mathematics of our system of voting, whether people want it or not. Ask yourself what will Michael Howard do for British Muslims? Will his foreign policy aim to help Palestine? Will he promote legislation to protect you from religious hatred and discrimination? Will he create more jobs or support greater equality? Will he give you the choice of sending your children to a faith school? Will he stand up for the right of Muslim women to wear the hijab? Will he really fight for Turkey, a Muslim country, to join the EU? These are not academic questions. Remember, the last thing we want is to vote in anger and repent at leisure as Michael Howard, with a big smile on his face, walks through the door of Number Ten.

Tony Blair’s record on Iraq may anger many Muslims but his record is about more than one issue. But the issue is about who rules Britain and across a range of issues the Labour Government has delivered again and again for British Muslims. Labour values equality, compassion and a multi-religious Britain and so in that sense we share the dream of most British Muslims. To create that kind of society, we still have a lot to do if we are given the chance.

Mike O‘Brien is the Minister for Energy in the DTI, he is the Labour MP for North Warwickshire.
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shyamd,

The invasion & destruction of AFG & the taliban regime was justified.

Paks & other moslems, were/are travelling to pak, crossing the border attending camps and then returning to the UK/West.

I think it was correct for the UK to invade. The west can never subdue/civilise all of AFG.
We should retreat to the cities and drag those cities into the 21st century, the way the Russians did. Once those cities have developed modernity and been de islamisised the inhabitants would be loathe to see the taliban return.

Regardless of the invasion of AFG & Iraq, the islamists hated the west. They will always have an excuse.

Personally I am glad the UK was involved in AFG, British troops & the public have seen islam in action and they don't like it.

Also I think the UK should stop flights to/from Pak, as they have with Yeman.

Heres something else you maybe interested in.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/F ... st-Hotbed/

I shall post more links on what our "Socialist friends have done in the UK with regards to islam, pak and the implications for Indians in the UK and India.
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Indian to relaunch East India Company
Describing it as an achievement, Mehta said "I have this huge feeling of redemption, this indescribable feeling of owning a company that once owned us."
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Did Pranab Mukherjee really siad this or this is just a spin by the Bangladeshi author.

I still never understood why do some Indians still have slavish mentality ?
In his book, "The Saga of Struggle and Sacrifice", Pranab Mukherjee writes: "Much had been done by Great Britain for the benefit of India, and the whole country was truly grateful for it. She had given them order, railways and, above all, the inestimable blessings of Western education. The more progress the people made in education and material prosperity, the greater would be the insight into political matters and the keener their desire for political advancement."
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Rony wrote:Did Pranab Mukherjee really siad this or this is just a spin by the Bangladeshi author.

I still never understood why do some Indians still have slavish mentality ?
In his book, "The Saga of Struggle and Sacrifice", Pranab Mukherjee writes: "Much had been done by Great Britain for the benefit of India, and the whole country was truly grateful for it. She had given them order, railways and, above all, the inestimable blessings of Western education. The more progress the people made in education and material prosperity, the greater would be the insight into political matters and the keener their desire for political advancement."
This was said by W.C Banerjee
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Brat ... 22&f=false
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Lockerbie bomber Megrahi living in luxury villa six months after being at 'death's door'
The latest disclosure will incense many of the relatives of those who died in the bomb blast in December 1988 when Pan Am Flight 103 exploded in mid air over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 243 passengers, 16 crew and 11 people on the ground. Most did not want Megrahi released and they suspected he would live longer than the predicted three months.
Megrahi, is now living in a spacious two-storey villa with his wife and their five grown-up children in a prosperous suburb of Tripoli, the Libyan capital. The property has a spacious garden and an area where the family erects a large tent to entertain visitors for celebrations.
...
The source said: "Megrahi is still the same as ever. His condition has not deteriorated. There is no sign of him dying any time yet but who knows? It's totally unpredictable."
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In the Islamic Emirate of England, Held Wales, Occupied Scotland and English-Administered-Ireland
Defence chiefs fight plans to build £3m giant mosque that 'will loom over Sandhurst'
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Gerard wrote:In the Islamic Emirate of England, Held Wales, Occupied Scotland and English-Administered-Ireland
Defence chiefs fight plans to build £3m giant mosque that 'will loom over Sandhurst'
Despite my unrestrained admiration and deference for all things Bshitish, I am forced to say that UKstan jolly well deserves it. Why, you ask?

Well, how's this for the latest in UKstani perfidity, bad faith and brazenness?

Just saw a newsflash on Times Now re the Indo-pak 'talks' saying
UK foreign office says the Indo-Pak talks should focus on Kashmir.
I was like, flabbergasted. I mean, W-T-F?! :evil: Daveed Milipede's arrogance and buffoonery really know no bounds. Heck, I'm rooting for Sri Milipede as the new UKstani PM - Sri Brown can't do enough damage in the time left him, IMHO.
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Well, heard of Herman Van Rampuy ?. :twisted: ? Seems that mister no name, faceless Boor-o-crat is going to rule over the destiny of 500m people as he has been elected the PRESIDENT of the EU and that includes UK Stan.

And of course, the outrage at being under the thumb of a faceless boor-o-crat can be seen here
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US refuses to endorse British sovereignty in Falklands oil dispute :rotfl:
Washington refused to endorse British claims to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands yesterday as the diplomatic row over oil drilling in the South Atlantic intensified in London, Buenos Aires and at the UN.

Despite Britain’s close alliance with the US, the Obama Administration is determined not to be drawn into the issue. It has also declined to back Britain’s claim that oil exploration near the islands is sanctioned by international law, saying that the dispute is strictly a bilateral issue.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 040245.ece
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India must sacrafice it's safety & security, because the UK is mired in AFG !!! :evil: :evil:

Absolute rubbish from the Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ushed.html
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Peter Taylor investigates the terrorist threat from young Muslim extremists radicalised on the internet.

Following the attempt to bomb an airliner over Detroit on Christmas Day, this landmark series looks at the angry young men of Generation Jihad who have turned their backs on the country where they were born.

In the first episode, Peter hears from those convicted under Britain's newest anti-terror laws and investigates how some of the most notorious terrorists came to be radicalised. He finds a generation that has shed the moderate Islam their parents brought to this country, and instead have adopted a faith that they believe compels them to stand apart from Britain and its values.
Part 1



Part 2
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Part 3
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Part 4
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Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MezRWeoMb7Y

Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86-lMlmaxe0
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that was expected ever since Obama put France and Germany ahead of Britian in his relationship priorities. Brown has hashed his relationship building opportunity, Cameron remains an ineffectual idiot. the relationship is only going to get worse, unless ofcourse Obama needs british troops to stand side by side with US ones for camera purposes

serious debates on at present about need to scale back defense spending even further and retreat from world stage.
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Lalmohan wrote:
that was expected ever since Obama put France and Germany ahead of Britian in his relationship priorities. Brown has hashed his relationship building opportunity, Cameron remains an ineffectual idiot. the relationship is only going to get worse, unless ofcourse Obama needs british troops to stand side by side with US ones for camera purposes

serious debates on at present about need to scale back defense spending even further and retreat from world stage.
Such spats are not of recent vintage.

The US & UK have a long history of bitter rivalry.
Cold War at 30,000 Feet: The Anglo-American Fight for Aviation Supremacy By Jeffrey A. Engel



In a gripping story of international power and deception, Jeffrey Engel reveals the "special relationship" between the United States and Great Britain in a new and far more competitive light. As allies, they fought communism. As rivals, they locked horns over which would lead the Cold War fight. In the quest for sovereignty and hegemony, one important key was airpower, which created jobs, forged ties with the developing world, and, perhaps most importantly in a nuclear world, ensured military superiority.

Only the United States and Britain were capable of supplying the post-war world's ravenous appetite for aircraft. The Americans hoped to use this dominance as a bludgeon not only against the Soviets and Chinese, but also against any ally that deviated from Washington's rigid brand of anticommunism. Eager to repair an economy shattered by war and never as committed to unflinching anticommunism as their American allies, the British hoped to sell planes even beyond the Iron Curtain, reaping profits, improving East-West relations, and garnering the strength to withstand American hegemony.

Engel traces the bitter fights between these intimate allies from Europe to Latin America to Asia as each sought control over the sale of aircraft and technology throughout the world. The Anglo-American competition for aviation supremacy affected the global balance of power and the fates of developing nations such as India, Pakistan, and China. But without aviation, Engel argues, Britain would never have had the strength to function as a brake upon American power, the way trusted allies should.
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chetak, its much older than that. certainly the US was sure that post WW2 no european power would stand on the world stage in front of them. much of US policy in Europe and in particular Asia was geared to ensure that the old colonial order was wound down and in the favour of the US.

in the case of aviation and india, the US prevented the UK from selling Lightning jets to the IAF whilst it supplied Starfighters to the TSPAF, a gap the Soviets were happy to fill with the Mig21. One could argue that such an export blow began the decline of independant fighter aircraft development in the UK and led to its slipping from a formerly strong position, one that would not challenge the US substantially again. The unintended consequence was India becoming 'Soviet leaning' - which was (from an Unkil perspective) short sighted.

perhaps its not entirely surprising that few countries have been able to successfully develop gas turbine engines for advanced aircraft...? (more of a political challenge than an engineering one)
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Lalmohan wrote:chetak, its much older than that. certainly the US was sure that post WW2 no european power would stand on the world stage in front of them. much of US policy in Europe and in particular Asia was geared to ensure that the old colonial order was wound down and in the favour of the US.

in the case of aviation and india, the US prevented the UK from selling Lightning jets to the IAF whilst it supplied Starfighters to the TSPAF, a gap the Soviets were happy to fill with the Mig21. One could argue that such an export blow began the decline of independant fighter aircraft development in the UK and led to its slipping from a formerly strong position, one that would not challenge the US substantially again. The unintended consequence was India becoming 'Soviet leaning' - which was (from an Unkil perspective) short sighted.

perhaps its not entirely surprising that few countries have been able to successfully develop gas turbine engines for advanced aircraft...? (more of a political challenge than an engineering one)

Aviation was just a case in point, Lalmohan ji

As you rightly pointed out, the rivalry extended across the board and was much older.

And IMHO, rightly relegated ukstan to its also ran status.
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^^^ kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall, everyone of them
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many 'little islands' have been lucky in their time, to become big islands and then small again. all things change.
it is instructive to read "guns, germs and steel" amongst other books to get a sense of the bigger picture and how things evolve. who remembers the mandans? or the black soil circles in the amazon basin? great zimbabwe? don't assume that our 'historic constancy' will prevail, not without effort and vigilance...
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don't assume that our 'historic constancy' will prevail, not without effort and vigilance...
I agree.

Egypt was a major power for thousands of years and now its nothing and looks set to be nothing for the foreseeable future. So too Mongolia from where Genghis Kahn sprang.

Anyone who takes their eyes off the road and starts to believe in their own propaganda of being destined for success (without actually putting in the effort and having some serious skill & luck on their side) is going to land up where those countries are.
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Greece Now, U.K. Next as Scots Ready for Pound Plunge
March 1 (Bloomberg) -- While the eyes of the world focus on Greece’s debt crisis, investors in Edinburgh are busy preparing for the U.K. to be next.

Turcan Connell, which caters to rich families, expects the pound to lose between 20 percent and 30 percent against the dollar once investors turn their sights on Britain as the government sells a record amount of debt. Sterling slid to a 10- month low versus the U.S. currency today.

“Alarm bells were ringing in Greece for a long time and when it happened, it happened very quickly,” Haig Bathgate, head of strategy at Turcan Connell, said at the company’s offices in the Scottish capital. “The U.K. is in a similar predicament. It could be hit very hard.”

Money managers in Edinburgh, where investment decisions have been made on behalf of insurers, pensioners and the wealthy for two centuries, are maneuvering to protect assets from the U.K. economy as it limps out of its worst recession on record.

Bruce Stout, whose Murray International Trust Plc in Edinburgh has doubled over the past five years, said the chance of a plummeting pound are “better than even” and his biggest holdings are in Asia and Latin America. He called sterling a “very vulnerable currency.”
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The U.K.’s budget deficit is roughly the same as Greece’s, both exceeding 12 percent of economic output. Moody’s Investors Service and Standard & Poor’s said last week they may cut Greece’s credit rating as the five-month-old government struggles to curb spending and control its debt.
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British Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s government in December increased its planned gilt sales for the financial year ending this month to a record 225.1 billion pounds from the 220 billion pounds announced in April. Moody’s Investors Service said in December the U.K. may “test the Aaa boundaries.”
Yawn.

Ordinarily, I would've gone BWAHAHAHAHA at Ukstani travails. Sadly, I'm not so blinded by my own biases as to not notice that UKstan may escape its bad karma, yet again.

The 'boiling pot' theory they call it. When everyone expects stuff to happen and watch the pot, it seldom boils over or something like that. So too with gleat Bshitstain. As with TSP. They'll never collapse as long people expect and look fwd to them to do so. *jai jinxie*

Wake me up when the GBP collapses kissing parity with the packee rupee.... :twisted: that'll be the day lungi dances will burst forth in 'em colored former colonies....beech sadak bhangra onlee. :wink: jai hoax jai hoax.
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The honored Sri N^3 once coined a memorable soundbyte w.r.t. TSP:
Give Peace a chance. Destroy the pakistan army
My humble contribution to UKstan's destiny was:
UKstan deserves every packee it gets, times 10.
Now with the following news-story:
RBS paid £1.3bn bonuses on profit of just £1bn
I'm forced to add a sub-clause:
UKstan deserves every bankster it gets, times 10.
:mrgreen:
Jai hor Jai hor
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the civil service never lays off people. its mostly retirement driven. 'the torygraph' is placing a story out there to try and claw back some points in the ratings. cameron is making a hash of it so its time for all the stops to be pulled out
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