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@RajeshA ^^^ I don't claim universal applicability for this line of thinking--only WRT to Pakistan. The cannon fodder fidayeen are not ideologically motivated. They are financially motivated. IOW, they are pretty 'secular' . RAW can go recruit and deliver young Abduls based on the going market price.
We have to finance (perhaps via the Afghans) the sooside bummers who target the PA where they and progeny live. Each sooside bummer is a fraction of the cost of a Bofors 155MM shell.
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We have to finance (perhaps via the Afghans) the sooside bummers who target the PA where they and progeny live. Each sooside bummer is a fraction of the cost of a Bofors 155MM shell.
JMT
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Indeed. This was my very first solution suggestion in "Managing Pakistan's failure" Thread: The Supari Plantation Solution!Cosmo_R wrote:@RajeshA ^^^ I don't claim universal applicability for this line of thinking--only WRT to Pakistan. The cannon fodder fidayeen are not ideologically motivated. They are financially motivated. IOW, they are pretty 'secular' . RAW can go recruit and deliver young Abduls based on the going market price.
We have to finance (perhaps via the Afghans) the sooside bummers who target the PA where they and progeny live. Each sooside bummer is a fraction of the cost of a Bofors 155MM shell.
JMT
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So, Indians who think "schisms" in Islam can be exploited to deal a blow to Islam are welcome to continue with their beliefs without a single shred of evidence or history of any non-muslim gambit to exploit Islamic "schisms" that EVER worked.
moving on to the next question:
1. where will you get your work force and "ideological" followers among Hindus who believe you and are willing to expend time and resources to make this "project" come real?
2. Congress-MKG already tried this once. it was called the Khilafat movement. it ended up consolidating the Islamic position in the subcontinent. whenever we are plotting ideas of what we need to do, ALWAYS FIRST ASK: where will the organized work force come from? in this case, you need committed Hindus who believe in your cause. I am telling you right now that Hindus have already been fooled once. they'll simply ignore everybody who they see bandying this theory of "exploiting schisms" to "use Islam".
3. before we come up with ideas, we need to think of practical considerations of how to implement: in this case, I'm happy that these ideas, even if prevalent among "us" elites, will have absolutely no traction among the commoners. ABSOLUTELY NONE. so yes, some of us on BRF can continue to believe that Islam can be "used for our benefit". luckily, they won't be many takers for it.
moving on to the next question:
1. where will you get your work force and "ideological" followers among Hindus who believe you and are willing to expend time and resources to make this "project" come real?
2. Congress-MKG already tried this once. it was called the Khilafat movement. it ended up consolidating the Islamic position in the subcontinent. whenever we are plotting ideas of what we need to do, ALWAYS FIRST ASK: where will the organized work force come from? in this case, you need committed Hindus who believe in your cause. I am telling you right now that Hindus have already been fooled once. they'll simply ignore everybody who they see bandying this theory of "exploiting schisms" to "use Islam".
3. before we come up with ideas, we need to think of practical considerations of how to implement: in this case, I'm happy that these ideas, even if prevalent among "us" elites, will have absolutely no traction among the commoners. ABSOLUTELY NONE. so yes, some of us on BRF can continue to believe that Islam can be "used for our benefit". luckily, they won't be many takers for it.
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I will leave everyone with the historic example of how the Vijayanagara gamble on Sunni-Shia "divide" worked out.
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RajeshA,
I personally don't think it is off-topic here, but if you wish to copy paste it on any other thread you feel more suitable, feel free to do so. I will continue posting there, if required.
devesh,
It appears, if you are commenting on my posts (and you seem to be) that you are not really reading them. If you have any specific point to make other than (to paraphrase), "it won't work", kindly do so. And I repeat, I'm not talking about doing this in India (where if it happens, it should always be a reflection of what happens outside). I'm talking about simply having this viewpoint, and not getting in the way when others do the divide and rule business, at a minimum; and at a more optimal level, actively but very quietly participating (which is what I advocate) as a matter of course.
No country in the world will declare such a policy, but if you look at what is occuring in the Middle East, this is exactly how what is happening can be described and explained. Israel is quite accomplished at this. It is not a conspiracy between powerful states outside the region, because no one seems to want to show their hand, but rather what appears to be a conspiracy of common sense. In short, instead of letting these lunatics kill non-Muslims en masse, it is better to encourage them to focus on each other.
I personally don't think it is off-topic here, but if you wish to copy paste it on any other thread you feel more suitable, feel free to do so. I will continue posting there, if required.
devesh,
It appears, if you are commenting on my posts (and you seem to be) that you are not really reading them. If you have any specific point to make other than (to paraphrase), "it won't work", kindly do so. And I repeat, I'm not talking about doing this in India (where if it happens, it should always be a reflection of what happens outside). I'm talking about simply having this viewpoint, and not getting in the way when others do the divide and rule business, at a minimum; and at a more optimal level, actively but very quietly participating (which is what I advocate) as a matter of course.
No country in the world will declare such a policy, but if you look at what is occuring in the Middle East, this is exactly how what is happening can be described and explained. Israel is quite accomplished at this. It is not a conspiracy between powerful states outside the region, because no one seems to want to show their hand, but rather what appears to be a conspiracy of common sense. In short, instead of letting these lunatics kill non-Muslims en masse, it is better to encourage them to focus on each other.
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Lets have a Break
Lets have a Break
Jews..Hmmsyria state TV Said on Sunday that Israeli jets had bombed areas near Damascus international airport and in the town of Dimas, near the border withLebanon.
"The Israeli enemy committed aggression against Syria by targeting two safe areas in Damascus province, in all of Dimas and near the Damascus International Airport," state television said, adding that there were no casualties.
It said there were no casualties. Residents in Damascus said they heard loud explosions. Lebanon's Hezbollah-run al-Manar television said Israeli jets bombed areas near Dimas airport.
According to foreign reports the attack targeted a warehouse of advanced S-300 missiles, which were en route from Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
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India's Modi sends out Hebrew Hanukkah greeting
The Hebrew tweet is another sign of increasingly close relations between India, Israel
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi tweeted "Happy Hanukkah" in Hebrew on Friday, in a message addressed to his "Jewish friends."
"May this Festival of Lights and the festive season ring in peace, hope and well-being for all," Modi wrote on Twitter.
The twitter greeting is preceded by a time of increasingly warm relations between the two countries. In September, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with Modi in New York; It was the first meeting between an Israeli and Indian prime minister since late Israeli PM Ariel Sharon visited New Delhi in 2003.
The meeting was viewed as a push to strengthen ties between the countries. "We're very excited by the prospects of greater and greater ties with India," Netanyahu stressed in an official statement made at the beginning of the meeting.
"For Modi, the India-Israel partnership is certainly important," Aditi Bhaduri wrote fori24news shortly after the visit, "Apart from cooperation in defense and security at the national level, his home state Gujarat has emerged as a major trade and investment destination for Israel, with cooperation in agriculture, science and technology, water management, solar power, port development and the diamond trade."
In the meeting Prime Minister Netanyahu raised the issue of the danger of a nuclear-armed Iran as well as the global threat posed by Islamic terrorism. He also proposed that Israel and India cooperate in the technology sector, especially in developments in agriculture and water technology. Netanyahu updated his Indian counterpart on his decision to establish a national cyber defense authority and proposed bilateral contacts on the issue, saying that cyber would be a significant economic sector in the future.
Just last month, the joint Indian-Israeli Barak-8 missile system completed a successful test.
The Barak 8, an upgraded version of the Barak system both countries already use, is designed to defend naval vessels against incoming missiles, planes and drones.
Israeli specialists and Indian scientists attended the trial, as did officials from the Israeli Defense Ministry's Directorate of Defense Research and Development (MAFAT) and India's Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) - which are jointly developing the system - and military officials from both countries.
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^^^ This is significant. An amazing move if we do it. A definite shift from the long held views in Indian Foreign Policy.
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My understanding was all the Bahmani sultanites were shia and are equally peaceful when compared to Sunny peacefuls of north at that time. Can you point out this in more detail. Even now we are under the mistaken impression that Shias can be our friends.devesh wrote:I will leave everyone with the historic example of how the Vijayanagara gamble on Sunni-Shia "divide" worked out.
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Actually we do not need friends, which is in itself a sort of an oxymoron in international affairs. Nor do we need to blindly trust anybody.Yagnasri wrote:Even now we are under the mistaken impression that Shias can be our friends.
What we need are partners who can help us improve our security and strategic position - Shia, Sunni, Dictatorship, ... doesn't really matter.
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Best thing to happen if it really happen. We are getting nothing in return for our support to them and in fact we are ending up siding with Hamas and other such useless peaceful gangs.abhishek_sharma wrote:India may end support to Palestine at U.N.
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I don't think support will end. What will end is blanket support, i.e. it will be really support on a case by case basis from now on, which is an excellent and overdue move.
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Israel offers expertise to triple India’s milk production, boost exports
There is a great potential for India’s milk exports, but it is still in its infancy and surpluses are occasional.
https://www.thedollarbusiness.com/israe ... f-economy/
There is a great potential for India’s milk exports, but it is still in its infancy and surpluses are occasional.
https://www.thedollarbusiness.com/israe ... f-economy/
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Never forget: As the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz approaches, some of the survivors share their most harrowing memories
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 95796.html
Jewish children are afraid to go to schools and are being taught to hide beneath furniture in the event of a terror strike. Have we learnt nothing from WW2 and the massive upsurge in Islamist terror across the globe in the last decade? Sadly,it is the Europeans ,the so-called "Christian" nations that have allowed this to happen.Europe is on the brink of massive civil unrest if more Islamist attacks are experienced and they will happen. Right wing neo-Nazi groups are sprouting everywhere,especially in the Ukraine,where amazingly the US is their principal supporter! Instead of collaborating with Russia who have fought Chechen Islamist terror at great cost to combine their forces to fight Islamst terror,the US is duplicitous in its foreign policy.It is now firmly enmeshed in the M-East with fighting ISIS,supported by its bum-chums,the despotic Saudis and sheikhdoms.
The 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz should be a time of sombre reflection on the past ,prayers for the victims and a firm commitment for the future to never allow it to happen again. The international community should come together at this time and reaffirm its commitment to stopping racist, fascist, and Islamist terror not only in Europe but around the world.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 95796.html
It has become fashionable in recent years by some entities to water down or even deny the Holocaust that was experienced by the Jews of Europe and other "untermenschen" folk ,persecuted and exterminated by Nazi Germany. Europe today is awash with Islamist terror,with Jews yet again targets and anti-Semitism on the rise.On 27 January 1945, 200,000 prisoners were freed from the Auschwitz Nazi death camp by the Soviet Red Army. It is believed that around 1.5 million people were murdered at the facility in Nazi-controlled Poland, from during it opened in 1940.
To mark the 70th anniversary of their release, now elderly survivors have agreed to sit for portraits by Reuters photographers, and share a fraction of their harrowing stories.
Jewish children are afraid to go to schools and are being taught to hide beneath furniture in the event of a terror strike. Have we learnt nothing from WW2 and the massive upsurge in Islamist terror across the globe in the last decade? Sadly,it is the Europeans ,the so-called "Christian" nations that have allowed this to happen.Europe is on the brink of massive civil unrest if more Islamist attacks are experienced and they will happen. Right wing neo-Nazi groups are sprouting everywhere,especially in the Ukraine,where amazingly the US is their principal supporter! Instead of collaborating with Russia who have fought Chechen Islamist terror at great cost to combine their forces to fight Islamst terror,the US is duplicitous in its foreign policy.It is now firmly enmeshed in the M-East with fighting ISIS,supported by its bum-chums,the despotic Saudis and sheikhdoms.
The 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz should be a time of sombre reflection on the past ,prayers for the victims and a firm commitment for the future to never allow it to happen again. The international community should come together at this time and reaffirm its commitment to stopping racist, fascist, and Islamist terror not only in Europe but around the world.
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India looks to Israel for new fighter’s air-to-air missiles
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ariel ... e-fighter/
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ariel ... e-fighter/
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Times of IsraelDefense Minister Moshe Ya’alon is reportedly slated to visit India on February 17 in the first state visit by an Israeli defense minister, as the countries seek to foster deeper security ties.
Ya’alon is expected to hold a number of high-level meetings with Indian officials and visit a large arms factory in the southern Indian city of Bangalore, Ynet reported.
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This closet relationship has to go immediately. Indian interests are India concern. No one or section of the people or section of nations have any veto right on that. We need to get over this "what will muslims think?" what will arab nations think" "what will china think" etc rubbish.
Somehow I feel just like US SD our MEA is also still got lot of cold warriors even now.
Somehow I feel just like US SD our MEA is also still got lot of cold warriors even now.
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Increasing anti-Semitism in Europe/France has led to the Israeli PM calling for Jews to settle in Israel and be safe.In France,the anti-Semitism is increasing allegedly from Muslim youth ,not from neo-fascists alone.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... nce.html[b]
Hundreds of Jewish tombs damaged in northern France[/b]
Several hundred Jewish tombs have been damaged in a cemetery near the northeastern French city of Strasbourg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... nce.html[b]
Hundreds of Jewish tombs damaged in northern France[/b]
Several hundred Jewish tombs have been damaged in a cemetery near the northeastern French city of Strasbourg
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^^^What does that have to do with Indo-Israel news?
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India must stop purchasing arms from Israel
The Aam Aadmi Party demands that both Houses of Parliament should immediately pass unanimous resolutions condemning the completely unjustified Israeli attacks on Gaza and should not allow the Narendra Modi government to reverse the decades-old stand of the country on this important issue. The AAP also demands that the Indian government must seek action against Israel's repeated and widespread violations of human rights. It must stop purchasing arms from Israel, since these revenues appear to be used to oppress the people of Palestine.
Though the Rajya Sabha is scheduled to discuss this important matter on Monday, the NDA government has been shockingly resisting a similar demand in the Lok Sabha.
The AAP would like to remind the BJP government that irrespective of the party in power at the Centre, India has consistently followed Mahatma Gandhi’s famous line since 1938 that if the French can have France and the English can have England, then Palestine must belong to the Palestinians.
The Modi government’s ambigious stand and refusal to condemn the Israeli aggression at this crucial juncture violates the well settled principles of Indian foreign policy. It also raises serious questions about the dangerous direction in which the Narendra Modi government appears to be taking the country's foreign policy.
The BJP government’s stand on Gaza has lowered India’s standing in the international community. Earlier the UPA and now the NDA government, both were gradually tilting towards Israel, but the latest action of the Modi government has hit a new low.
The all-out assault by the Israeli military, especially the air force, on Palestinian civilians in Gaza, is a gross violation of international human rights norms and instruments including the Geneva conventions. While the AAP deplores the killing of three Israeli settlers, this can be no excuse for the rampant killing of Palestinian civilians, with the toll rising above 150. We call on the UN, the UN Human Rights Council, and other international bodies, to intervene and stop this bloodbath.
Currrently, the Palestinian people are living under an oppressive military rule. It is clear, as recommended by various international bodies including those affiliated to the UN, that the demand for an independent and unified Palestine is an urgent necessity. The Aam Aadmi Party is of the firm view that India should not resile from its earlier principled position on Palestine. It should support the demand for an independent Palestine.
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AAP is eyeing islamic votes. I think as time progresses AAP will more and more look like Lallu's or Mulayam's party.vinod wrote:India must stop purchasing arms from Israel
The Aam Aadmi Party demands that both Houses of Parliament should immediately pass unanimous resolutions condemning the completely unjustified Israeli attacks on Gaza and should not allow the Narendra Modi government to reverse the decades-old stand of the country on this important issue. The AAP also demands that the Indian government must seek action against Israel's repeated and widespread violations of human rights. It must stop purchasing arms from Israel, since these revenues appear to be used to oppress the people of Palestine.
Though the Rajya Sabha is scheduled to discuss this important matter on Monday, the NDA government has been shockingly resisting a similar demand in the Lok Sabha.
The AAP would like to remind the BJP government that irrespective of the party in power at the Centre, India has consistently followed Mahatma Gandhi’s famous line since 1938 that if the French can have France and the English can have England, then Palestine must belong to the Palestinians.
The Modi government’s ambigious stand and refusal to condemn the Israeli aggression at this crucial juncture violates the well settled principles of Indian foreign policy. It also raises serious questions about the dangerous direction in which the Narendra Modi government appears to be taking the country's foreign policy.
The BJP government’s stand on Gaza has lowered India’s standing in the international community. Earlier the UPA and now the NDA government, both were gradually tilting towards Israel, but the latest action of the Modi government has hit a new low.
The all-out assault by the Israeli military, especially the air force, on Palestinian civilians in Gaza, is a gross violation of international human rights norms and instruments including the Geneva conventions. While the AAP deplores the killing of three Israeli settlers, this can be no excuse for the rampant killing of Palestinian civilians, with the toll rising above 150. We call on the UN, the UN Human Rights Council, and other international bodies, to intervene and stop this bloodbath.
Currrently, the Palestinian people are living under an oppressive military rule. It is clear, as recommended by various international bodies including those affiliated to the UN, that the demand for an independent and unified Palestine is an urgent necessity. The Aam Aadmi Party is of the firm view that India should not resile from its earlier principled position on Palestine. It should support the demand for an independent Palestine.
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It already is.
Caution: No threats, direct or indirect, against elected leaders are tolerated on BRF. Pls do not repeat - JE Menon
Caution: No threats, direct or indirect, against elected leaders are tolerated on BRF. Pls do not repeat - JE Menon
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X-post from Iran thread:
Pro-Iran lobby group in the US, NIAC leader Trita Parsi writes:
Netanyahu Has Crossed the Point of No Return on Iran
Pro-Iran lobby group in the US, NIAC leader Trita Parsi writes:
Netanyahu Has Crossed the Point of No Return on Iran
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s open conflict with U.S. President Barack Obama over his diplomacy with Iran has not only served a blow to the U.S.-Israeli relationship. It has also collapsed Israel’s otherwise arguably successful Iran policy.
Contrary to Israel’s rhetoric, the fear of Iran getting a nuclear weapon has not been the driving factor of Israel policy on Iran since the early 1990s. Obviously, Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon would be highly undesirable for Israel. But that has not been Israel’s primary concern. Rather, the fear has been that Washington would end up finding a compromise with Iran that on the one hand would close off any Iranian path to a bomb, but on the other hand would lock in a shift in the regional balance of power in Israel’s disfavor.
Regardless of the details of a nuclear deal with Iran, a deal per se would reduce Washington’s tensions with Tehran, while not necessarily tempering the Israeli-Iranian rivalry proportionally. Israel will be “abandoned” to face Iran alone, Israelis fear. Moreover, a deal would signal, the argument goes, that Washington has accepted and will not contest Iran’s geopolitical advances in the region. Iran has hegemonic aspirations, Israel contends, and must be stopped, not accommodated. After a deal with Iran, Washington would be even more likely to shift its geopolitical focus elsewhere and be less intertwined with Israel’s needs.
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Israel and Pakistan have the obvious parallel of being states formed for reasons related to religion. I just came across a second parallel.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/16/opini ... d-age.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/16/opini ... d-age.html
How they got there is a little different though:According to the Bank of Israel, roughly 20 families control companies that account for half the total value of Israel’s stock market.
... Israel’s oligarchs owe their position not to innovation and entrepreneurship but to their families’ success in gaining control of businesses that the government privatized in the 1980s — and they arguably retain that position partly by having undue influence over government policy, combined with control of major banks.
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Seems like a hit-job from the left-liberal Krugman on right-wing Netanyahu, ahead of elections.A_Gupta wrote:Israel and Pakistan have the obvious parallel of being states formed for reasons related to religion. I just came across a second parallel.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/16/opini ... d-age.htmlAccording to the Bank of Israel, roughly 20 families control companies that account for half the total value of Israel’s stock market.
Much of the stuff in it is similar to what they've tried on India - crony capitalism, Indian billionaires account for large share of Indian GDP etc. Btw, the figure in India for Top 20 families may not come to 50% of BSE but will be say 33%.
Any kind of 'equivalence' between Israeli and Pakistani economies is just too ridiculous for words...
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^^^ Krugman did not draw the equivalence; I did. Krugman's column is that the Israeli elections tomorrow are likely to be decided by economic issues; and his point about economic issues is that Israel has evolved since the 1980s to be a highly economically unequal society, perhaps more so than the United States.
Another thing to note is that the trend in Israel to "Top 20 families" is opposite that of India.
Another thing to note is that the trend in Israel to "Top 20 families" is opposite that of India.
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A_Gupta: your hatred of Israel is well known. I'll tell you one major difference between Israel and Pakistan: Pak was born out of Jihad. Pak was born out of rape and loot of non-muslims.
Israel was not.
Enough said.
A_Gupta: your hatred of Israel is well known. I'll tell you one major difference between Israel and Pakistan: Pak was born out of Jihad. Pak was born out of rape and loot of non-muslims.
Israel was not.
Enough said.
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This Election would be major breakthrough in Israel's History, If Nethanyahu Re elected, as Promised No Palestine State, more number of settlements and Aliyah, more over after the Obama's term over we may see a Opera style operation.
Meanwhile, Obama Planned to fund and Defeat Bibi in this election
Senate panel probing possible Obama administration ties to anti-Netanyahu effort
This Election would be major breakthrough in Israel's History, If Nethanyahu Re elected, as Promised No Palestine State, more number of settlements and Aliyah, more over after the Obama's term over we may see a Opera style operation.
Meanwhile, Obama Planned to fund and Defeat Bibi in this election
Senate panel probing possible Obama administration ties to anti-Netanyahu effort
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I am not sure why Israel is immune to any criticism let alone approbium. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_ ... l_violence
There are many Jews who are aghast at this history.
There are many Jews who are aghast at this history.
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^^where do you see immunity to criticism? Turn on almost any Western channel discussion on the Arab-Israeli issue and there's plenty of criticism of Israel. Let's not get to the channels of the Muslim world. As for the rest of us, most don't appear to give a crap - in my opinion, probably the most efficient posture.
As for history, remember what that famous Jew said: Let he who has no sin, cast the first stone (John 8:7 - KJV).
Increasingly, what seems to be the case is that people are upset that others actually defend Israel. Ideally, the Israelis would just relax and get beaten up a bit more, so that the rest of the world feels "ah, this is a more equal contest now" and can adopt the chillin moral posture.
As for history, remember what that famous Jew said: Let he who has no sin, cast the first stone (John 8:7 - KJV).
Increasingly, what seems to be the case is that people are upset that others actually defend Israel. Ideally, the Israelis would just relax and get beaten up a bit more, so that the rest of the world feels "ah, this is a more equal contest now" and can adopt the chillin moral posture.
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Even ardent supporters of Israel should be concerned about massive concentration of power and wealth in a few hands, without any accountability. When economy is so lopsided, there is that much more likelihood of the country's vital interests being betrayed for the sake of the narrow interests of the elite.devesh wrote:^^^
A_Gupta: your hatred of Israel is well known. I'll tell you one major difference between Israel and Pakistan: Pak was born out of Jihad. Pak was born out of rape and loot of non-muslims.
Israel was not.
Enough said.
For Israel, the price to pay for a mistake or a selfish decision by some elites will be too high.
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Benjamin Netanyahu wins! Israel remains strong!
What his win teaches us is that never ever give any concession to Islamists, for the whole Islamic system is built on sucking concessions from others, a little more after every round, with giving nothing in return. Zero concessions is the road to peace!
Lakshman Rekhas need to be drawn in stone, and no quarter should be given!
What his win teaches us is that never ever give any concession to Islamists, for the whole Islamic system is built on sucking concessions from others, a little more after every round, with giving nothing in return. Zero concessions is the road to peace!
Lakshman Rekhas need to be drawn in stone, and no quarter should be given!
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To me any nation continuing its existence based Allah/Jesus/Jehovah - founded on "The Book" - is anathema. No matter how "friendly" they seem, at their core, they are profoundly anti-Hindu.devesh wrote:^^^
A_Gupta: your hatred of Israel is well known. I'll tell you one major difference between Israel and Pakistan: Pak was born out of Jihad. Pak was born out of rape and loot of non-muslims.
Israel was not.
Enough said.
Enough said. Will not enter into the mythology of the peaceful creation of Israel with willing displacement of the Palestinian population, and how that is or is not different from a jihad against unbelievers.
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A_Guptaji is absolutely right.Israel was formed by breaking every canon of Western Universalism.That land was overwhelmingly Arab/Palestinian when the Balfour declaration took effect.Britain/US did the christian redemption at the expense of someone else.
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Behalf of me our PM greet Bibi's victory
Behalf of me our PM greet Bibi's victory
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No. The Jews did not get Israel peacefully, although creation of Israel (where before 1948, they bought most of the lands from absentee landlords of the then Ottoman Turkey & later the British Mandate) was far more peaceful than the creation of the US (which butchered native inhabitants). But your conception of history has a certain ring of manufactured truth to it. If we go back in history far enough, you have Canaanites living in what is today's Israel. They lost their lands to the Jews, who lost it to the Babylonians, who lost it to the Persians, who gave it back to the Jews (as vassals), who lost it to the Greeks, who lost it to the Jews, who again lost it to the Romans, who lost it to the Arabs, who lost it to the Franks, who lost it to the Mamelukes, who lost it to the Ottomans, who lost it to the British, who lost it to the Jews. The wheel, in my opinion, has come a full circle. Land belongs to the conqueror, until the next one comes along. Unless you can make a case for favouring the Arab conquerors (and butchers - if really believe Arabs got hold of what is now Israel peacefully, I have a bridge to sell you) over the Jews, I see no point in your diatribe against one `People of the Book' in favour of a more ruthless `People of the Book' nor any reason to subscribe to it.A_Gupta wrote: Enough said. Will not enter into the mythology of the peaceful creation of Israel with willing displacement of the Palestinian population, and how that is or is not different from a jihad against unbelievers.
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The Next Knesset - List of MKs
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 18,00.html
Surprised that Hadash (New) - it is a far Left Party - went with United Arab List (who are purely Arabs) and managed to grab 5 seats there.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 18,00.html
Surprised that Hadash (New) - it is a far Left Party - went with United Arab List (who are purely Arabs) and managed to grab 5 seats there.
Re: Indo-Israel: News and Discussion
Namo has tweeted a congrats to bibi
Re: Indo-Israel: News and Discussion
NaMo has tried and to a large extent succeeded in making some strategic friendships around the world - Shinzo Abe of Japan, Tony Abbott of Australia, Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel.
At the moment, I don't see any possible partner for Modi in Europe, but I hope I'm in error!
At the moment, I don't see any possible partner for Modi in Europe, but I hope I'm in error!