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First ever talks on nuclear partnership with Australia soon - Sandeep Dikshit, The Hindu
With Australia and India realising that they cannot have a full-fledged strategic partnership without enhanced cooperation in critical sectors, both sides have decided to hold the first-ever talks on a civil nuclear partnership agreement here on March 19.

Around the same time, A.K. Antony will visit Australia, the first by an Indian Defence Minister, :shock: but the Foreign Ministers have ruled out the idea of reviving a trilateral or quadrilateral approach to maritime security.

“There is a large geo-political aim behind this. There is strong support within Australia for better relations with India,” said officials while explaining that the current Australian government’s earlier decision not to conduct nuclear-related trade with India had led to a chill in bilateral ties.

While India has expressed its readiness to negotiate a civil nuclear agreement, it has made clear its unwillingness to go beyond the formats of previous pacts signed with countries such as the U.S., Russia and France.

“There is a backdrop available and there are models available,” said External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid in this respect at a joint press conference after talks with his Australian counterpart Bob Carr here on Monday.

The intention is to avoid the log jam so far in civil nuclear talks with Japan which has asked India to incorporate commitments in the proposed agreement that are not there in its pacts with other countries.

The immediate focus is on sourcing uranium from the world’s largest producer, but officials said the cooperation agreement will have a broad scope, covering all areas of civil nuclear cooperation including issues relating to global non-proliferation.

Wide-ranging talks that also include disarmament and non-proliferation, it is hoped, will lead to the positive consideration of India’s membership of the Australia Group
, one of the four major export control bodies for dual use items. Despite its best efforts, India has been unable to join the Australia Group as well as the other three — the Nuclear Suppliers’ Group, the Wasenaar Arrangement and the Missile Technology Control Regime.

Both Foreign Ministers were emphatic in ruling out the revival of the quadrilateral security grouping that made its first appearance in 2007 with an interaction in Manila and a massive exercise in the Bay of Bengal involving the armed forces of four countries.

Mr. Carr also said it was hypothetical to consider even a trilateral grouping involving India, Japan and Australia. {Neither Japan nor India may be interested in upsetting the delicate situation now. A new team is coming in China. A new government has taken over in Japan. But, things are relentlessly moving in that direction.}
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Don’t know whether this is a right forum for it. SHQ is an ardent fan of cooking shows on Australian TV, primary being My Kitchen Rules (MKR). This year she was particularly interested in the show as it featured first sub continental team (Indian and Bangladeshi) representing NSW. I could not stomach the team of early 20s gen Y yuppies who have no manners, loud, arrogant and most of all come as haughty princess who are spoiled to core. But that’s my personal opinion and there is a possibility that in the rating war of reality TV they are just propped.
There has been lot of newspaper cover for this team and its obnoxious behaviour. Needless to say in this part of the world there are many who jumped on this event to demonise anything Indian and promptly implicated Indian culture is responsible for all the obnoxiousness. I personally found that 2nd generation Indians in this part of the world are extremely suave and go getters but have tremendous inferiority complex about their cultural identity (my core group is 19-21 yrs university students whom I interact with, lot of them have Fijian heritage but sizable no are from India ). This national TV portrayal has done more harm on that front and I am worried that it will have more detrimental impact.

FYI
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv- ... 2dvkb.html
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv- ... 2dvcx.html
http://www.skynews.com.au/showbiz/artic ... ?id=842717

Read the comments. You can find more on Google and can watch episodes online. I personally cringed when they cooked. It was epic disaster. I have no idea why they were selected on this show considering they can’t cook. It is just a sinister ploy by Channel 7 to demonise Indian community?
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^^ Relax Vish mulayji., the girls are setup as "literary foils"., that is they allow the inner pakistaniyat of the constipated southern pakis to be channeled to feel better. And the girls are definitely propped. So much for reality show.

I think most of the comments reflect that, that this is all show and no reality and everybody wants to have a schaudenfreude moment.

Regarding your concern about "detrimental effect"., you can discuss with them. Just point out how proud you are about your heritage.
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Reserve Bank of Australia's computer systems target of Chinese cyber attacks.
According to documents published on the RBA's website in December 2012, up to six RBA computers had been infiltrated through an email attack on November 16 and 17, 2011.

A report of the incident states that bank staff received an email which contained malicious software in the form of an embedded hyperlink.

It said the email, which was purportedly from a senior staff member, had appeared credible to recipients.

"The email managed to bypass the existing security controls in place for malicious emails by being well written, targeted to specific bank staff and utilised an embedded hyperlink to the virus payload," the report said.

It said that, because the email contained no attachments, it bypassed existing security controls.

While the report said the actual impact of the attack was minor, the incident did create concerns about the central bank's cyber security.

"Of note was that the anti-virus which is used on the bank workstations and servers did not detect the virus," it said. :eek: :mrgreen:
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very normal thing in govt offices...they have a AV, but never update it, some would have been updated years back and they wonder why it fails to detect viruses, when i told then about updating it, they gave me a blank stare
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The Chinese have been hacking the whole world. It is a massive industry in China by nationalist Chinese and the PLA supported by the Chinese government. During the Commonwealth Games in Delhi, there was a huge Chinese cyber attack. It started before the opening ceremony and continued until the closing ceremony.
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vish_mulay wrote: There has been lot of newspaper cover for this team and its obnoxious behaviour. Needless to say in this part of the world there are many who jumped on this event to demonise anything Indian and promptly implicated Indian culture is responsible for all the obnoxiousness. I personally found that 2nd generation Indians in this part of the world are extremely suave and go getters but have tremendous inferiority complex about their cultural identity (my core group is 19-21 yrs university students whom I interact with, lot of them have Fijian heritage but sizable no are from India ). This national TV portrayal has done more harm on that front and I am worried that it will have more detrimental impact.
ploy by Channel 7 to demonise Indian community?
I recall several instances in the 90's( and I wouldn't doubt it's occurred after that) where some very inchoate, inarticulate lines of Indians were displayed on Canadian TV, on some issue or other. They could have easily found people who were more articulate, or given the individuals in question a little more time to gather their thoughts and express themselves. Instead, you are left thinking, that these people can't speak, or think straight. Thing is, intelligent, literate, people know that a large number of Indians are educated and articulate. But the average bozo watching these shows, doesn't know that, because he doesn't circulate in that community, nor does he have a well rounded, liberal education to begin with.

And Australians, generally speaking, with a jealousy and anxiety about India, would be willing to jump at a chance to put India down, and those cooking shows are one way of doing it! Ultimately, the problem is an absence of honourabilty and depth, which causes the insecurity and resentment that revels in 'schadenfreude'.
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Show us the money for Defence spending
Australia: THE new defence white paper, launched last Friday, is strong on strategy but weak on money.
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India-Australia to strengthen defence ties - ToI
India and Australia have decided to implement a slew of defence cooperation initiatives to further strengthen the strategic partnership between the two countries, which range from stepped up military exchanges and regular defence dialogues to maritime security and a joint naval combat exercise in 2015.

This came after defence minister A K Antony held extensive talks with his Australian counterpart Stephen Smith in Perth and Canberra on June 4 and 5.

"The two ministers acknowledged the deepening bilateral strategic and defence cooperation. They agreed to continue to contribute to the peace, stability and prosperity of the Asia-Pacific region and to promote cooperation in the Indian Ocean region (IOR)," said an official.

Though both countries are wary of China's expanding military might and its growing naval forays into the IOR, they are opposed to any multi-lateral strategic construct or axis in the Asia-Pacific which might be seen as a move to contain Beijing.

But in the backdrop of China's increasing assertiveness in the contentious South China Sea, where Beijing is locked in escalating maritime territorial disputes with its neighbours, India and Australia emphasised that mariritime security and freedom of navigation in accordance with principles of international law is critical for the growth and prosperity of the Asia Pacific and IOR.

In a joint statement issued after the Antony-Smith talks, the two countries agreed on six points to promote bilateral defence cooperation. One, to continue to have regular bilateral defence ministers' meetings. Two, to promote exchanges between the defence establishments and the armed forces of both sides, including through the regular conduct of the Defence Policy Dialogue, Armed Forces Staff Talks and professional military exchanges.

Three, to continue ongoing bilateral naval exchanges to build confidence and familiarity between the navies and work towards a bilateral maritime exercise in 2015. Four, to continue to cooperate in the Asia-Pacific region bilaterally and through various multilateral fora, including the East Asia Summit, ASEAN Regional Forum and ASEAN Defence Ministers' Meeting-Plus. Five, to enhance IOR cooperation, including through the framework and priorities of the IONS (Indian Ocean Naval Symposium) and the IOR-ARC. And six, to promote the sharing and exchange of professional knowledge and experiences through participation in training courses in each other's military training institutions. Antony also accepted Smith's invitation for the participation of Indian warships' in the International Fleet Review to be held in Sydney in October 2013.

The two ministers noted that both the countries are already cooperating through the IONS, which Australia will chair next year, along with hosting the IONS conclave of chiefs in Perth in March 2014, and the IOR-ARC of which India is currently chair and Australia the next chair. Earlier, speaking at a reception hosted for him at Perth, Antony said the defence cooperation between India and Australia has increased substantially in the last few years.

"India values its strategic partnership with Australia and is committed to further strengthening the bilateral relations in various areas including defence,'' he said.

Referring to the IOR, Antony said it was critical to India's maritime interests. The security of shipping along with sea-lanes is of vital interest to us,'' he said. Smith, in turn, said the 2013 Australian Defence White Paper outlines the profound strategic changes'' that are occurring as economic, strategic and military weight shifts to our part of the world'', the Indo-Pacific region. India and Australia have a shared interest in helping to address these strategic changes, including through defence collaboration,'' he said.
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'A K Antony's Australia visit is a clear sign of strategic cooperation'

Defence Minister A K Antony's just-concluded historic visit to Australia and the big "take-aways" are a clear sign that both countries are serious about a more in-depth strategic relationship in the changing Indo-Pacific region, an expert here has said.

"I think the visit is a clear sign that both countries are serious about a more in-depth strategic relationship in this changing region, Rory Medcalf, a Melbourne-based specialist on Indian strategic affairs and Director of International Security Programme at Lowy Institute for International Policy, said.

"But what's an even more tangible sign is the agreement to have an annual practical naval exercise between the two countries. That's a serious forward in cooperation," he told the ABC Radio in an interview.

Medcalf called announcement of the naval exercise as the the key outcome of the visit.

He said "beyond that, there was a wider sense of engagement, a wider sense of building dialogues, to discuss shared strategic issues - interesting collaborations in areas like shared military history - the Gallipoli campaign that's so important to Australia's identity, is a conflict in which India fought as well."

"I would emphasise the naval exercises and the wider sense of strategic partnership, are big 'take-aways' in themselves. Further down the track, there'll be some more substantial outcomes, I think, such as cooperation in areas like surveillance and technology, but that's still quite some way away," Medcalf said.

Antony, who is the first ever Indian Defence Minister to visit Australia, had met his Australian counterpart Stephen Smith and held wide-ranging talks on shared strategic and security interests, including maritime security and defence ties.

The two sides agreed to continue ongoing bilateral Naval exchanges to build confidence and familiarity between the their Navies and work towards a bilateral maritime exercise in 2015.

On China's interpretation about the Antony's trip, Medcalf said, "I don't think China needs to be specifically troubled about this. Australia has held occasional naval exercises with China as well. So in some ways, we're simply bringing the India relationship to the level that it should've been quite some time ago."

"At the same time, of course, there's a delicate game going on across Indo-Pacific-Asia, of countries doing dialogues or naval exercises with different partners - balancing or hedging against the risk that things may get more dangerous in the future. But I don't think China needs to see this as a kind of anti-China alignment," he said.

"The real fact is, that India does not firmly ally with anyone, and we're simply learning to operate with the Indians for a whole range of contingencies, many of which have nothing to do with China." Medcalf further said that Australia was making up for lost time in increasing its focus on the Indian Ocean.

"But the fact is, Australia is finally recognising that India's an important partner, and the big question now, is whether India is ready to reciprocate.

"The visit by Antony and the agreement to hold annual naval exercises, is the first clear sign that India is willing to reciprocate Australia's interest in engaging with India, as a priority strategic partner," he noted.

On a query how a closer security relationship with Australia fit into India's position in the Asia Century, Medcalf said the Indians were careful not to align too closely with any particular country, and certainly improved their security relations with the US and American allies like Australia.

"But at the same time, the Indians are keeping their options open - they want freedom of action, they certainly don't want to be automatically brought into a conflict, for example, between the United States and China," he commented.

"However, it's in India's interest to develop a wider web of security partnerships, because India has its own problems with China, its own problems with Pakistan, its own problems with trans-national threats such as terrorism and piracy.

"So it makes sense to the Indians to be able to work closely with countries that are fellow Indian Ocean powers, like Australia," he said.

Moreover, the Australian navy and Australia's experience can be a real benefit to India
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They used to have naval exercises till late 60s when they got stopped.

Any way a far cry from when RAN PC-3s dropped sonobuoys to get the INS Delhi or Mysore sonar signature in plain view of the ship.
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/n ... 6659544681


A truly shambolic, meandering, meaningless article that exposes the depth of Australian cogitation.

As long as the mines are churning out ores and the beer is fermenting, Australians will get by. Reminds me of what they used to say of Africans-as long as they have bananas, they don't need to work.
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Sent to me by a friend:

Australian Prime Minister does it again!!
Truer words have never been spoken.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard- Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society ... Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.

If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in asia,Britain , Europe, Canada & USA,
--- WE might find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
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Philip wrote:Sent to me by a friend:

Australian Prime Minister does it again!!
Truer words have never been spoken.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard- Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '....
--- WE might find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
It is a Hoax from here :
...
Brief Analysis
Julia Gillard made no such comments. The message is nothing more than a revamped version of older hoaxes that named previous Australian Prime Ministers John Howard and Kevin Rudd. The supposed comments on immigration attributed to Gillard in this version were originally aimed at an American audience and were penned by Barry Loudermilk, a US Air Force veteran and columnist for a local newspaper in the American state of Georgia.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 6706934297

Caste skews India's view of rape


Though the extraordinary brutality of last December's Delhi gang rape shocked many Indians, it was the location of the crime, in middle-class south Delhi, the fact that the victim was educated, and that there were no complicating caste issues, that moved so many to join in mass protests.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/49811 ... e-violence

Those interviewed for the recent Perth News piece point out that Australians were outraged over the much-politicized rapes in India earlier this year, with people writing in to their government demanding action. And yet, there seems to be little call for action to address a very in-house epidemic of violence of their very own
...
Why is it that we in “developed” countries can collectively gasp in horror at what happened in India, as Americans and Australians did alike, and yet we turn a blind or apathetic eye to what is happening in our own countries?

Violence against women isn’t something happening “over there.” It's happening right here, and its happening all of the time.




I guess being Australian skews Australia's views of reality.
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> Why is it that we in “developed” countries can collectively gasp in horror at what happened in India, as Americans and Australians

When did they (i.e. Assies) get out from under the shadow of UQ and bracketing them with US? Is it now the turn for Aussies to declare independence from the crown? Better late than never.
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x-post

International Fleet Review 2013 - Sydney 1st to 10th October 2013

List of Ships participating INS Sahyadri sole IN participant.

I had the opportunity to visit INS Mumbai and INS Jyoti during the last IFR in Sydney in 1999. INS Mumbai still carried her commissioning crew and it was a superb experience. I stayed inside the ship for 2 full days and was invited for formal evening drinks on her deck. Many of the officers had been taught by my father.

Any interest from the few BRF'ites down under? Maybe time for a BR Sydney meet.
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India-Australia inching towards civil nuclear agreement - The Hindu
India moved a step closer to sourcing uranium from Australia, the world’s biggest exporter of the radioactive mineral, with the Foreign Ministers of both countries agreeing to hold the third round of talks on a bilateral civil nuclear agreement towards the end of this month.

External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid and his Australian counterpart Julie Bishop reaffirmed the commitment of both countries to finalise a Civil Nuclear Cooperation Agreement to enable the sale of Australian uranium to India, and announced that the third round of negotiations would be held here [New Delhi] in the last week of November. They met in Perth on the margins of a multilateral conference.

The two Ministers also discussed energy security and the possibility of a Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA) to strengthen ties. Both sides have laid stress on the security of sea lanes as India and Australia have supplemented their coal-based energy ties with a multibillion dollar contract for sourcing Australian gas.

Having held one round of dialogue, the two countries will be finalising dates for the second interaction on the subject, which will form the fulcrum of a strategic partnership with the imminent addition of uranium to ties in coal and hydrocarbons. Energy security was also discussed during Defence Minister A.K. Antony’s visit to Australia in June this year when it was decided to hold a bilateral maritime exercise in 2015.

Ms. Bishop, according to an Australian High Commission statement, described advancing relations with India as a priority for the Australian government and felt her discussions with Mr. Khurshid followed the “very productive” talks between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Australian Premier Tony Abbott at Brunei on October 10. A “high quality CECA would underpin a further significant expansion of the trade and investment relationship to mutual benefit,” she added.

The two Foreign Ministers confirmed that the inaugural cybersecurity dialogue would be held in the first half of 2014 and reiterated the two countries’ commitment to work together to address threats such as terrorism and transnational crime.

Australia also welcomed plans to hold a major conference of persons of Indian origin, the Pravasi Bharatiya Divas, in the country in November. India is now Australia’s largest source of skilled migrants and the second largest source of international students. “Australia is pleased with that,” Ms. Bishop noted.
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A beaming Hon'ble FM Shri SK announced on National TV (ABC) a few days ago that the spate of attacks on Indian students were not racially motivated and were blown out of proportion in the Indian media. Oz. FM JB stood behind him and nodded approvingly with a smile.

Nothing more to see here. Please move on (so says SK).
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After the recent globally publicised case of the delhi rape, some activists of gender violence from around the world have started looking within. Their national media doesn't entertain these reports but some do find space.

Australia’s sexual assault shame: One in six women a victim, putting Australia way above world average
Despite our greater gender equality, we rank third after the war-torn Congo and the southern African nations of Namibia, South Africa and Zimbabwe for rates of sexual assault against women.

One in six Australian women have been the victim of a sexual assault by a non-partner, compared to one in 14 women around the world, a new study shows.
A major review of sexual assaults by someone other than a partner published in The Lancet was prompted by recent highly publicised rapes and murders of young women in India.
Percentage of women who have been sexually assaulted by someone other than their partner. (global figure and by country/countries)

Global — 7.2%

Japan — 12.2%

Kazakhstan — 6.4%

Hong Kong — 5.8%

India, Bangladesh — 3.3%

Philippines, East Timor, Maldives, Thailand, Sri Lanka — 5.2%

New Zealand, Australia — 16.4%

Belize — 10.3%

Czech Republic, Poland, Serbia and Montenegro, Kosovo — 10.7%

Lithuania, Ukraine, Azerbaijan — 6.9%

Switzerland, Spain, Isle of Man, Sweden, UK, Denmark, Finland, Germany — 11.5%

Peru — 15.3%

Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Jamaica — 11.8%

Uruguay, Argentina — 5.8%

Brazil — 7.6%

Turkey — 4.5%

USA, Canada — 13.0%

Samoa, Kiribati — 14.8%

Democratic Republic of the Congo — 21.0%

Uganda, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Tanzania, Kenya, Malawi, Zambia — 11.4%

Namibia, South Africa, Zimbabwe — 17.4%

Liberia, Sierra Leone, Burkina Faso, Ghana — 9.1%

Source: The Lancet
All propaganda aside, I think these figures "can" also translate into the percentage of genders inter mingling with each other.
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Mites, it is aoufully quiet in heeyar. Let us liven it up with a wee bit of good news from the land of foisters - "asstrylyan for beeyar".

Australia OKs Dumping Dredge Waste In Barrier Reef
"Australia's Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority has approved the dumping of 3 million cubic meters of dredge waste in park waters. The decision has been blasted by environmentalists. 'This is a sad day for the reef and anyone who cares about its future,' said WWF Great Barrier Reef campaigner Richard Leck. 'The World Heritage Committee will take a dim view of this decision, which is in direct contravention of one of its recommendations.'"
a funny and a sobering comment -
There’s no point acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now.
While this is a complex issue, coral health really depends on water clarity and lack of nutrients in the water column. I am mostly worried if this will make the water so murky or even bury the coral. This may be far enough away that it won't make a difference but it needs to be taken into account.
Don't Panic! There is more.
A lot depends on the amount of 'fines', very fine particles or clays that float in the water column and can drift for miles. These fines can coat the coral animal (which is busy filtering particles from the water column and eating the organic ones,) If the floating feed changes from 50% organic to 2% organic, the animals internal systems might become fatigued from dumping waste and not getting enough energy to fuel this waste separation - the animal starves.

They might have to place water curtains to constrain the fines, which can only be done in low current areas, or add some flocculating agent to speed-settle the fines.
The good thing is the Aussies claim they will make sure there are no wide ranging fines to foul corals - will they be right? What will happen with a cyclonic storm? Cyclonic storm happen a few times in the year and they fill the water column with waste fines - which the coral deal with - perhaps because storm fines also have organic content. Perhaps the way to assist the coral animal is to add a little extra fine food to 'pay' for the extra work the coral animal has to perform in processing useless fines.?
Read it all and discuss with your local Australian MPs and sign petitions.
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This is a discussion bit. Australia/NZ had an unexoected impact on my life, so they are on my bucket list to go see some day. Visa/travel to Aus is not a problem. But interactions with AUS/NZ folks (both white and not so white, educated) outside Aus/NZ have shown streaks of latent but deep seated racism and hatred for Indians/origin folks.

Would the residents advise if a visit will mean more bad taste?

Is the place accessible?

Apart from the opera house, uluru, crocodiles and skin cancer, anything else to think of in particular?

Special skills for survival without eating meat/eggs?

Is getting drunk compulsary?

Driving with non-Aus license?

Hotels of some repute?

Does the north have anything to offer?

Is there a reasonable timeframe for a slow/ non-mobile mostly see from a distance and be satisfied, try to drive,and travel independently type person to not feel like it was rushed and not quite visited?

How different is NZ and does doing just one count as having done both?

I know this reads rude, but I am genuinely ignorant and special needs mean asking is better than reading/assuming.

any typing much appreciated, this is in the future not immediate.
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while 80% of Aus population perhaps is in 5 cities , to really understand the soul of the land one would probably need to take leisurely N-S and E=W train journeys on famous rakes like The Ghan and also extended driving around the outback.
tasmania is another whole different ecosystem due to deep water bass strait islanding many flora/fauna there.

its a continent, not a country. one cannot think of understanding asia or africa in a week and no point even trying. select what interests you and sample that. there is no rule which says you got to visit sydney and melbourne.

tourism a big play there, so I think you will not face any trouble...barring the weak rupee due to the sickular economy of the configs.
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Shreeman wrote:This is a discussion bit. Australia/NZ had an unexoected impact on my life, so they are on my bucket list to go see some day. Visa/travel to Aus is not a problem. But interactions with AUS/NZ folks (both white and not so white, educated) outside Aus/NZ have shown streaks of latent but deep seated racism and hatred for Indians/origin folks.

Would the residents advise if a visit will mean more bad taste?

Is the place accessible?

Apart from the opera house, uluru, crocodiles and skin cancer, anything else to think of in particular?

Special skills for survival without eating meat/eggs?

Is getting drunk compulsary?

Driving with non-Aus license?

Hotels of some repute?

Does the north have anything to offer?

Is there a reasonable timeframe for a slow/ non-mobile mostly see from a distance and be satisfied, try to drive,and travel independently type person to not feel like it was rushed and not quite visited?

How different is NZ and does doing just one count as having done both?

I know this reads rude, but I am genuinely ignorant and special needs mean asking is better than reading/assuming.

any typing much appreciated, this is in the future not immediate.
Be prepared for the bad taste...

Australians have a right to be bigots, says their Attorney General
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Oz to return Nataraja statue to India.
Kapoor is facing trial in Chennai, India, for allegedly trafficking stolen antiquities, including that statue, from two Indian temples.

Aaron Freedman, who was a manager at Kapoor's Art of the Past gallery in New York, has confirmed the statue was stolen from a temple at Sripuranthan and has pleaded guilty to six US criminal charges of trading stolen art.

Meanwhile, the Attorney-General's Department in Australia has received a formal request from the Indian government to return the statue.

It says it is working on the request in accordance with a 1970 United Nations convention and the Australian Protection of Movable Cultural Heritage Act 1986.
Thanks in large part to IH's asserting themselves on social media.
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Thanks to those that replied for starting my slow understanding exercise. Will ask pointpeople more sensible questions if fate opens up the possibilities -- shreeman etc.
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the big attraction of aus is the outdoors - lots of national parks and the ocean

suggest reading bill bryson's book 'down under' for a no holds barred sampler of life in oz from an outsider's perspective

p.s. mai baaaby aate the diiingow
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Australia Treasurer Joe Hockey indicates that the retirement age maybe raised to 70.
The previous Labor government raised the retirement age from 65 to 67 from 2023, but the treasurer said other countries, including the United Kingdom, are already eyeing later retirement.

He again called for a sensible discussion about funding the future quality of life for Australians as the government looks at a redesign of systems.

Opposition finance spokesman Tony Burke said blue-collar workers would be hit hardest if they are forced to work for longer.

A shift in the retirement age would be a "very big deal" for pensioners required to do physical labour for longer while sitting on small super savings.
It was just a matter of pending announcement, Gen Y in the West could expect further raise of retirement age, indeed the concept of retirement may itself become obsolete towards the middle of the 21st century.
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Apologies if posted elsewhere: China building up covert informant networks in Oz universities.
Much of the monitoring work takes place in higher education institutions, it reports.

This includes Sydney University and Melbourne University, where more than 90,000 students from mainland China are potentially exposed to ideas and activities not readily available at home.
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People smuggling into Australia was a Indonesia - Australia issue with people smuggler boats departing from Australia and carried people Sri Lankan. middle eastern and Afghan nationalities

For the first time there is a report of a boat departing from India from Puducherry on June 13.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... z38Yp0Elzp which Indian officials have denied.

So far:

The boat has 157 asylum seekers mostly Tamil, who have been held on an Oz Customs vessel on the high seas for almost a month

Australian minister Morrison met Rajnath Singh and Sushma Swaraj in Delhi this week where India agreed to take back Indian nationals and would ''consider'' taking back the Sri Lankan nationals who were on the boat.

Indian officials will have access to the asylum seekers and will determine identities and arrange where possible for the return of any persons to India. This is unprecedented. Australia does not allow any other government access to asylum seekers.

Puducherry CID arrested two people, whose boat was used to ferry these refugees.R Raja, 38, of Kuruchikuppam and A Manjini, 42, of Vambakeerapalayam . They were booked under IPC Sections 370 (human trafficking), 420 (cheating and dishonestly inducing delivery of property) and 120B (punishment for criminal conspiracy) and produced before a local court, which remanded them in judicial custody but on June 30:

The commandant of Indian Coast Guard District Head Quarters No 13, N Somasundaram, said, ”the Coast Guard monitors the movement of every vessel, including fishing boats, within our limit. We would have received information on the movement of the boats somehow. There is a chance that they might have left under the guise of a fishing boat. But this again is very difficult because of our monitoring. We need to further investigate this to ascertain whether or not this happened off our coast.”

The marine police officials also denied any knowledge of the boat leaving from Puducherry

Several batches of Sri Lankan Tamil refugees from various camps in Tamil Nadu had left Puducherry and other coastal regions for Australia in June.

None of these departures would have been possible with local help. Can this happen inspite of local beat police? An operation of this kind needs a staging point until all people arrive, fuel, boat, skipper etc. Hard to imagine all this can be kept a secret.

This represents the opening of a human trafficking racket in India to Australia for the first time. Until now it was Kabootarbazi based on student visas to get into Australia but this was legal.

Don't know if BRF picked this up earlier:

Earlier this month the NaMo denied entry visas to members of a United Nations committee investigating alleged war crimes against Sri Lanka’s Tamil minority during the country’s civil war which ended in 2009.

References:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 013941.cms

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... 3ckyb.html

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... 3cluv.html

http://www.zoompondy.com/news/agencies-on-trails/
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First 17 of the 157 asylum seekers are brought to the Australian mainland where they will be interviewed by Indian consular staff. India will accept all Indian nationals and will consider accepting non Indian nationals who are Indian residents.

"Most of the 157 Tamils are understood to be Sri Lankan citizens who fled the country during, and in the aftermath of, the country’s brutal civil war. They have been living in refugee camps in southern India since, some for more than a decade."

The quid pro quo is for Australia to share intelligence about people smuggling and human trafficking.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... zxfgu.html
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It now appears that all 157 asylum seekers are Sri Lankan but the vast majority had been living in India for a long time.

Some of the children were born in India.

All of them have refused to meet Indian Consular officials which means they will be sent to an off shore detention centre.
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BeyondBlue to launch a new campaign highlighting the link between racism and depression

Senator Nova Peris has helped launch a new initiative with Beyond Blue called the 'Invisible Discriminator' which highlights the way Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are taunted by subtle discrimination every day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1lMGIZTQcs


The AD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfpADBQZfUE
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rahulm wrote:It now appears that all 157 asylum seekers are Sri Lankan but the vast majority had been living in India for a long time.

Some of the children were born in India.

All of them have refused to meet Indian Consular officials which means they will be sent to an off shore detention centre.
The problem comes from the wrong policies of the TN government. Why should Sri Lankan refugees still be there on Indian soil when war has ended there three years back, peace has returned, development activity is there in full swing (with massive Indian assistance), and a democratically elected government is there in Jaffna?
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Responding To Indo-Pacific Rivalry: Australia, India And Middle Power Coalitions
In this Analysis, Lowy Institute International Security Program Director Rory Medcalf and Nonresident Fellow C. Raja Mohan argue that Chinese assertiveness and uncertainties about America’s role in Indo-Pacific Asia are causing middle powers to look for alternative approaches to regional security. The Analysis argues that enhanced security cooperation between Indo-Pacific middle powers should be extended to the creation of “middle-power coalitions” in the region.

Key Findings

China’s assertiveness and uncertainties about America’s response are causing middle powers in Indo-Pacific Asia to looking beyond traditional approaches to security

Cooperation between Indo-Pacific middle power coalitions would build regional resilience against the vagaries of US-China relations

India and Australia are well placed to form the core of middle power coalition building.
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So CRM is now in Aussie land from Singapore. What middle power nonsense is he talking about?
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An australian production featuring some indian(and some obviously mexican) actors delivering dialogues like a very tired newsroom anchor reading from a teleprompter.

They are talking like king julian and making fun over the way steve irwin died *sigh*

https://www.youtube.com/user/HowToTalkA ... ans/videos

It's written and directed by two aussies. Somehow they thought that getting some indians to poke fun at aussies and their way of life would amount to an equal-equal.

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Actually people of Indian origin let them do the dirty deed rather than become sepoys in their power play and/or their confessions of guilt - they are saying "Yeah we realize we are beating you up due to our racial sumpremacist culture". After that realization normal societies collectively issue an apology of sorts and be contrite. Since Oz is like an uppity teenager high on "drugs" (selling raw materials and hollow out the ground they are standing on with nary a thought to the future of the country and their way of life such as it is), they are asking now that "become like us. Come and beat us". Well, thanks but no, thanks.
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