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Sushupti wrote:Gujarat riots left a deep impact on Ansari

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 120626.htm

The guy was already radicalised in mid-80s with Shiv Sena winning the Mumbai Muncipal elections! The Gujarat riots is masala to the SLIME media with its Modi fixation.
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Behench*d....every maadarch*d out there to harm the country which fed him and nurtured him in here bosom as her first born, did this because of riots this and riots that. By same yardstick of reasoning, every Hindu in Meerut/Mathura/Lucknow/Varanasi/Mumbai should be plotting to kills Muslims....what a bunch of cho*tiyas we have!!!!
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I think your anger is misplaced. It hould be directed at teh SLIME who keep their ears open for any faint whispers/mutterings of Gujarat riots to justify the terrorists.

i am sure now Doggy Singh will be forced to go to Beed and commiserate with the relatives.
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ramana wrote:I think your anger is misplaced. It hould be directed at teh SLIME who keep their ears open for any faint whispers/mutterings of Gujarat riots to justify the terrorists.

i am sure now Doggy Singh will be forced to go to Beed and commiserate with the relatives.
IIRC Beed was the scene of anti Razakaar riots after Polo, so that can be a justification also for SLIME.
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Lot of interesting details which show this is India's Abottabad! Bt very low key and benign.
vijayk wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/ ... U620120626
An alleged key plotter in the 2008 Mumbai attacks now in Indian police custody had been living in Saudi Arabia for two years and was "talent-spotting" for another "massive attack", an Indian police official said on Tuesday.

Sayeed Zabiuddin Ansari, also known as Abu Hamza and Abu Jindal, was arrested at Delhi airport on June 21 on his arrival from Saudi Arabia. Police revealed his arrest only on Monday, after interrogating him for five days about the three-day rampage in the financial hub of Mumbai that killed 166 people.

Police said Ansari helped coordinate the attack by 10 members of Pakistan's Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militant group from a "control room" in the Pakistani city of Karachi and also helped to train the gunmen.
Until his arrest, Ansari had been living in Saudi Arabia on a Pakistani passport, an official at New Delhi's anti-terrorist police unit told Reuters on condition of anonymity.
During his stay in the desert kingdom, Ansari sought to recruit volunteers for another Mumbai-style attack, the official said. He would not say where the planned attack was to have taken place or even whether India was the target.
Asked how India had learned of Ansari's whereabouts, the official said: "We had inputs and we acted on them." He would not elaborate, but some Indian media, quoting sources, said the United States, which has sought to deepen its counter-terrorism relationship with India, had provided the information. 8)

http://www.firstpost.com/world/abu-jind ... 56987.html
But strikingly, in February 2009, Pakistan’s Interior Minister Rehman Malik claimed that the Pakistani police had arrested seven persons for involvement in the conspiracy to carry out the 26/11 terror acts. One of those arrested was an operative named Abu Hamza. Even given the fact that the LeT frequently uses the same handle for different operatives, Indian investigators had reason to believe that it was their man.

India’s request to Pakistan for Ansari’s extradition for trial was never acknowledged. And the case in Pakistan went nowhere, largely because the Pakistani ISI and the military didn’t want their complicity in the 26/11 attacks exposed. But surprisingly, earlier this year, Ansari surfaced in Saudi Arabia, travelling on a Pakistani passport under another assumed name: Riasat Ali.

Indian investigators were evidently tracking his every move, and were working patiently behind the scenes.Last month, barely days ahead of the home secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan, Indian investigators removed Ansari’s name from the list of suspects they had given Pakistan.

It was the surest sign that Ansari had shifted base, and was no longer in Pakistan. Whether he flew the coop isn’t immediately clear: given the fact that Ansari was working in tandem with Pakistani intelligence and military services, the alternative proposition — that the Pakistani government had let him go — is harder to envisage.

In any case, Indian investigators and intelligence officials began patiently to work on Saudi officials with a request for Ansari’s extradition to face trial on terror charges. Given Saudi Arabia’s role in spreading intolerant Wahhabi hatred, which has played no small role in indoctrinating jihadi philosophy into hotheads in the Indian subcontinent, it appeared initially that the efforts to secure Saudi cooperation were doomed to fail.

But other pieces in the geostrategic puzzle were simultaneously falling into place.

Indicatively, the US administration has in recent months been keen to wean India off its need for oil from Iran (and abide by the sanctions regime against Iran) and to source it from Saudi Arabia. India has been dragging its feet on that. As part of its effort, the US has been nudging Saudi Arabia to extend cooperation to India in the area of counter-terrorism to “sweeten the deal”. 8) 8)

Just last week, US Defence Secretary and former CIA chief Leon Panetta was in Saudi Arabia following the death of the Crown Prince, who had as Interior Minister led the kingdom’s fight against terrorism.

It’s possible that Panetta’s visit catalysed and greased the tracks for Saudi Arabia’s decision to “deliver” Ansari to India. (Looking back, it’s entirely possible that Pakistan may have “released” Ansari and sent him on to Saudi Arabia under pressure from the US. If that’s true, it’s perhaps a sign that Pakistan is wilting under pressure — after all, Ansari can now reveal disquieting details of Pakistani ISI-military involvement in the 26/11 terror attacks.)

In other words, the diligent and painstaking work of Indian intelligence and security officials in working with US and Saudi officials has yielded their biggest catch of a terrorist handler associated with the 26/11 attacks.

......

In other words this is India's OBL moment!

Locating a target in far away KSA, shadowing for atleast two years, matching DNA.

Only thing is India doesn't kill its terrorists.

Only feeds them biryani in govt lodges.

And our folks praise KSA cooperation instead of wondering why KSA shelters criminal terrorists for atleast two years!



I think its good PR to say TSP deported Abu Chu*iya to KSA to waiting Indian police arms. Now on these folks wont go to KSA even for Haj and will die kafirs.
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I think its good PR to say TSP deported Abu Chu*iya to KSA to waiting Indian police arms. Now on these folks wont go to KSA even for Haj and will die kafirs.
Need a new handle abu Chankiya ibn al Baniya :-)
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Debate: Terror, lies and a swap deal - 1
Debate: Terror, lies and a swap deal - 2
Debate: Terror, lies and a swap deal - 3
Abu Jundal's been in custody for all of four days. The security blanket he's under is unprecedented. He's questioned for 12 hours each day and with every answer he peels off the layers of Pakistan's involvement in the 26/11 attacks. The ISI, he says was in the control room from where he was directing Kasav and the other terrorists who Pakistan unleashed. Hafiz Saeed, he says was very much in that room. He fled after Kasav uttered his name in a Mumbai court and there on - was assisted, financed and directed by those sitting, even today in the Pakistani establishment but that's not all - sources in the Union Home ministry have told TIMES NOW - that theres much bigger disclosures expected over the next four days. TIMES NOW's Editor-in-Chief Arnab Goswami debates the issue with Mahroof Raza, Strategic Affairs Analyst; Ajit Doval, Former Director IB; Major Gen (Retd) Dipankar Banerjee, Mentor, Institute of Peace & Conflict Studies; Vice Air Marshal (Retd) Shehzad Chaudhary, Defence Analyst; Brig (Retd) Javed Hussain, Former Pakistan Army Special Forces officer and Dr Arif Alvi, Gen Secy, Pakistan Tehreef - e - Insaaf.
Just listen to Mr. Ajit Doval, Former Director IB. He lays out clearly what the whole picture is. Abu Jundal has named the same ISI officers as David Headley did in his testimony, told where the control room in Karachi was, is in possession of a Puki passport on which he was in Saudi Arabia. Pakis even sent ISI men to Saudi Arabia to prevent this deportation, which delayed the whole process by 2 months.

Saudi Intelligence chief after due diligence, American pressure and Indian persuasion decided to deport Abu Jundal to India.
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SM Krishna confirms cooperation by KSA

The American pressure can only go some distance especially when it does not involve directly its own interests (though the US can claim that 7 of its nationals were killed in 26/11). I would say that persuasion by India and the increasing proximity it enjoys would have certainly contributed as well. This guy travelled on a genuine Pakistani passport and so it should have been tough for India to reclaim his nationality and deport him to India. KSA has certainly allowed known Indian criminals and terrorists to take shelter there in the past. But, in this particular case, it is a moot point whether it knowingly allowed a terrorist to take shelter.
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there was a landmark visit/agreement by FM to saudi last year? i guess this is the result of that trip
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THere are umpteen versions of the story - RAW is releasing one story, IB is releasing another version, ATS has one, MEA has its own take, MHA babu's have their own take on what happened.

The funny thing is RAW & IB should have the closest version of the story but they don't tally up!

RAW's take is that NSA(US) gave RAW inputs post 26/11. RAW took action and asked KSA for help - KSA and US intel arrested him and interrogated him there in 2009. KSA wasn't ready to hand him over. So RAW asked CIA for help, CIA shrugged shoulders and said we can't do anything and played neutral. Then TSP and US relations deteriorated post OBL and then US was all of a sudden interested in pressuring TSP and asked KSA to give him up. KSA intel chief has been visiting India on a regular basis (even 2 months ago) post 26/11.
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shyamd wrote:KSA intel chief has been visiting India on a regular basis (even 2 months ago) post 26/11.
And our IB Chief was there last month.
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Lalmohan wrote:there was a landmark visit/agreement by FM to saudi last year? i guess this is the result of that trip
The turnaround in relations happened after Prince Abdullah took over and he was the Chief Guest in the 2006 Republic Day. In 2010, MMS visited KSA and the two countries agreed to cooperate on security issues and counter-terrorism. There was also an extradition treaty signed. We should also not forget that a brigade of TSPA is still there at Al Yamamh and KSA needs TSP for the nukes, especially now against Iran.
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A couple of Indian ex-officials I'm in touch with say that it was US pressure that played the deciding factor with Ansari/Abu XYZ. There is a India-Saudi thaw definitely and the due diligence, DNA test etc. did help but it was Unkil who tracked this guy to Saudi and alerted our ppl.

Btw, Indian authorities have requested Saudi to hand over Mahmoud Bahaziq, who was an Indian national but somehow got the coveted Saudi citizenship. He is a key fundraiser for LeT. Unkil is helping here as well but Saudis are not budging yet. He is reportedly under arrest there.

Bahaziq is one of the four people designated as UN terrorists after 26/11
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^^ Bahaziq has been under arrest since 2008. US Dept of Treasury has a case for financial terror against him which forced the saudi's to act. There has been no word since 2006 on his status. Maybe a FOIA in the US will shed light on it. I am told there are 4 ongoing operations with them for IMLeT
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A couple of Indian ex-officials I'm in touch with say that it was US pressure that played the deciding factor with Ansari/Abu XYZ. There is a India-Saudi thaw definitely and the due diligence, DNA test etc. did help but it was Unkil who tracked this guy to Saudi and alerted our ppl.
Sigh....have we really become so dependent on Unkil?
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Austin wrote:The only reason why 26/11 is getting some small result is because goras have died , so its like US/Western country pressure on Gelf thats getting some result.

Ofcourse such pressures dont work on pakistan who continue to deny any official involvement and not the Western country will push it beyond a point.

Coming back to Saudi and UAE , Dawood has visited those two countries quite a few times and they have not detained him or for that matters his brothers who are involved in 1993 mumbai blast , Seems they are selective on who to deport , the ground jihadi are first to be martyred while their bosses remains untouched
Aside from one lawsuit by the Rabbi's family which is going nowhere, I see no domestic pressure in US to avenge gora victims of 26/11.

I believe significant segment of Indian Establishment have remained focused on reckoning for 26/11. Combined with US doctrine of using India to manipulate TSP, opening Indian markets, and containing PRC, US cooperation in this case has emerged as a lever for US to manipulate India. All part of normal diplomacy only.
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http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/ ... ttacks/?hp
India’s home minister on Wednesday accused Pakistan of supporting the masterminds of the 2008 Mumbai attacks, citing information provided by Abu Jindal, an Indian national who is suspected of being one of the planners.

The Indian authorities say that Abu Jindal, who was recently captured by the Indian police, and five others guided the Mumbai attacks from a control room in Karachi. Mr. Jindal’s conversations were taped by the Indian authorities during the attack.

At a news conference in Tiruananthpuram, P. Chidambaram said Mr. Jindal confirmed during an interrogation that he was in a “control room” in Karachi that gave orders to the 10 heavily armed gunmen who killed more than 160 people in a three-day attack on multiple locations in Mumbai.

“Some state support was there for these people,” Mr. Chidambaram said, referring to the handlers in the control room. He added that the argument that the handlers were not state actors is no longer valid.

“The way we are going has put us in a good light and put Pakistan in a bad light,” he added. “It is Pakistan which is under pressure and not India.”

In Islamabad, Mr. Chidambaram’s Pakistani counterpart, Rehman Malik, rejected the Indian minister’s accusation. “Why are you blaming Pakistan?” he said Wednesday at a news conference. “He is your citizen. You fail to control your citizen.”

Pakistan warned India three years ago that it had its “own Taliban,” Mr. Malik said. “See the result. I wish best of luck to India.”

Mr. Malik also defended Pakistan’s spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, saying that it was not involved in the Mumbai attacks.


Indian intelligence experts said that the arrest of Abu Jindal is very significant.

Vikram Sood, former chief of the Research and Analysis Wing, India’s external spy agency, said, “Jindal’s arrest is more important than that of Ajmal Qasab,” the sole surviving attacker, “because Jindal was an operative in touch with the ISI and LeT,” referring to Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistani militant group.

“This makes Jindal a more precious catch as he would lead to other links in the chain, which may be even very high up,” Mr. Sood said.

Ajit Doval, former chief of India’s Intelligence Bureau said, “Abu Jindal is more important because he is the eyewitness in what happened in Pakistan during the attack and about preparations. He is a planner, organizer, motivator and trainer. Qasab is only a one-event man.”
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So NYT has a India blog on its site!!! The article is by "Hari Kumar" yet has spelling mistakes for name of city where the press conf was held and the name of the arrested person. There is a world of difference in Jundal and Jindal. Jundal is some Islamist nom-de-guerre. In fact a buch of terrorists residing in TSP used against Iran are called Jundullah!

Jindal is common Indian name. Why would a terrorist call himself Abu Jindal!!!
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ramana wrote:So NYT has a India blog on its site!!! !!!
They kept is dead for many years and its only since last year they now regulary update it. Paki were the flavour of the hourly update for long time. Its good source to figure out the daily heart burn level of many liberal intelligent well meaning folks inc NSG.
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/t/ne ... _pakistan/
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ShyamD, Something you might have written!!!

The New Great Game

India, US and Saudi Arabia: The 'new' great game!
June 27, 2012 15:42 IST
Does the deportation of 26/11 prime accused Abu Jundal/Abu Hamza/Zabiuddin Ansari by Saudi Arabia signal a tectonic shift in India's Middle-East policy?

Colonel (retd) Anil Athale tries to explain.


The arrest of Abu Jundal/Abu Hamza/Zabiuddin Ansari, a 26/11 participant of Indian origin; from Saudi Arabia on July 21 and arrest of another suspect (Fasih Mohammed) earlier is a major event in war against terrorism in India. The wide publicity this has received will have a salutary impact on would be terrorists in India. Bangladesh had cracked down on terrorists and other Gulf countries were already shut to them. With Saudi Arabia joining in, Pakistan and Sri Lanka (to some extent) remain the only havens for anti-India activities. The problems of Indian intelligence agencies are thus reduced considerably.

But to expect this to have any effect on Pakistan is living in fool's paradise. No amount of evidence given by India is going to force Pakistan to crack down on the Lashkar-e-Tayiba since it is part and parcel of the Pakistan Army /Inter Services Intelligence combine. Indians are yet to learn that what we face is a 'proxy war' by Pakistan.

{I submit its an undeclared war and not a proxy war.}

Wars are NOT fought on evidence and in court rooms but for national political objectives and Pakistan remains firmly wedded to their aim of breakup of India. There is a Marathi proverb, 'you can wake up a person who is sleeping but not one who is pretending to be asleep'. No amount of evidence is going to convince Pakistan that is in denial mode.

Even at the domestic level the arrest, sadly, will have negligible impact. Already the media has begun the exercise to explain if not justify Ansari turning to terrorism. The perennial 'Gujarat riots' of 2002 is being invoked. Soon busybodies and NGOs flush with funds from Middle-East will begin a campaign to sow doubts about Ansari's identity, the evidence and his confession. But it must be accepted that many more will be reluctant to take up the cause of terrorists now that Saudi Arabia -- the keeper of Mecca and Holy Land for Muslims, has turned against Indian terrorists.

This could have been a golden opportunity to mount an ideological campaign against domestic roots of terrorism, but considerations of 'vote bank' politics make it very unlikely. 'Terrorist mastermind', 'dreaded terrorist' are creations of sensationalising media. Terrorism is a product of twisted ideology, vast pool of unemployed poor and constant motivation by 'secularists' to fan grievances, real or imaginary. The ruling combine needs to keep stoking the fear factor in minorities and then pose as a saviour to reap a harvest of votes at election time (which is most of the time in India).

The principal opposition on the other hand has failed to have an inclusive vision of culture and civilization and has hardly done anything to ally the real or imaginary fears. With this scenario, sadly, India is likely to remain a playground of terrorists for a long time to come.

It is generally expected that intellectuals of the country to play a major role in such conflict to dispassionately diagnose the problem and provide solution. In case of India however, a large swathes of population including the thinkers suffer from a historical 'Stockholm Syndrome'. For the uninitiated, this is a state in which an individual or society begins to have an emotional attraction for its tormentors.

After their release in the infamous IC 814 Kandahar hijacking incident, many captives 'praised' the politeness of the hijackers! In our own morbid way we have turned Mahatma Gandhi's strategy of non-violent agitation against the British into a principal of national policy. We as nation conveniently forget that the non-violence tactic worked against the British -- a civilised and humane nation. The same Gandhi did not oppose use of military force in Kashmir in October 1947. The non-violent methods failed against obdurate Portuguese in Goa and Jawaharlal Nehru (Gandhi's disciple) used military force to liberate it. Six million non-violent Jews were sent to the gas chambers by Adolf Hitler Non-violence will not work against Hitlers, Chengis Khans and Pakistanis of this world.

Gandhi opposed the Biblical 'eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth' with a question that will that not turn the whole world toothless and blind. The counter is that if only one is to follow Gandhi while the rest of the world continues to have 'tit for tat' then only the non-violent will be both blind and toothless! In the real world one sided non-violence will always be disastrous not unlike one sided love that results in acid attacks.

Acts of terrorism are planned abroad and supported by enemy country's full resources. We in India want to apply common civil law to these complicated crimes. 'Incredible India' is the only country in the world that has no special law to deal with terrorist violence. We are destined to continue to suffer as citizens, capture of one Zabiuddin is not going to change that reality.

The rationale behind the Saudi change of heart!

In international relations things do not happen accidentally, there is always a larger design and picture behind these events. But even more important than this co-operation in nabbing a terrorist, this event underlines the growing close relations between India and Saudi Arabia. This is a direct result of India toeing the American line on Iran. The Saudis have made no secret of the fact that they see Iran and its nuclearisation as a direct threat. With India cutting down on oil imports from Iran and importing oil from Saudi Arabia, we have signaled our intentions. Handing over Indian terrorists sheltered in Saudi Arabia is their way to say thank you. Obviously this creates complications for Pakistan.

Saudi-Pakistan relations have been extremely close and most analysts accept that Pakistan nukes would be available to Saudi Arabia against Iran. That Saudi Arabia has chosen to annoy its principal hedge against Iran nukes is an event of very significant importance. Why has Saudi Arabia seemingly lost confidence in Pakistani nukes? Have Americans managed to neutralise them? Is this a prelude to de-fanging of Pak nuke teeth? All this is in nature of speculation but of great importance for India and its security planners.

By itself this coming close of India and Saudi Arabia and more importantly Saudi Arabia distancing itself from Pakistan terror project in India is an event of tectonic proportions. More so when seen in the light of some other events taking place in our neighbourhood. Sample this,

President Vladimir Putin is visiting Pakistan on September 26 this year. The first ever such visit by a Russian President. Last year Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari visited Russia, first such visit in 37 years.

China has moved its frontline Sukhoi aircraft to the Lhasa airfield.

The two events are in a sense linked to India and US getting closer. The moves by Russia, China and Saudi Arabia are a direct consequence of the Indo-US quasi alliance taking shape. It is worth speculating that the contours of this relationship were made explicit when Indian PM Manmohan Singh staked the survival of his government for the Indo-US nuclear deal in 2008. The understanding reached then has been further carried forward by the two countries and Russian and Chinese actions are a reaction to this major move by India.

The Indo-US partnership has made Pakistani position of seeking parity with India untenable. But unable to wean itself away from the addiction to American economic and military aid, Pakistan has limited options. One of them is to bring the pot on the boil in Kashmir.

In the coming months we must expect Pakistan-sponsored violence to increase in Kashmir. A major strike against the Amarnath yatra (the Hindu pilgrimage) in which lakhs of people gather presents one such opportunity. A major strike against the pilgrims can have a terrible echo in the rest of the country.

This author had mentioned earlier that in this difficult hour for Pakistan, its 'all weather' friend China will come to its rescue. This may well take the shape of a border skirmish against India. It would also be an appropriate way to remind India, 50 years after the disaster of 1962, that China has the capability of 'teaching a lesson' to India. China can then bank on the peacenik lobby in India to put the blame on Indo-US closeness for this.

All in all, we are in for 'interesting' time as the Chinese say. One only hopes that Indian policy makers are aware of the possible Chinese reaction and Pakistani designs in Kashmir. May be the Americans, aware of this have already strengthened Indian defence capability so that the lesson would be learnt by the Chinese (like they did in case of Vietnam in 1979)!

But it is reasonable to predict that major changes in inter-relationships in Asia are in the offing.

Colonel (retd) Anil Athale
My only comment is that INC can't afford another Chinese thappad. More than that the IA is waiting patiently for last fifty years to settle the accounts.So there will be a forceful response.
And the reverbations on PRC will be equally tectonic if it happens.
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Folks a lot of stuff is coming in the papers about abu chidiya and his singing. Please collect all and post with link and text for analysis.


Eg. Google Cache of news stories


I sense there is something odd here.

Abu Jundal Crime Branch Production Warrant
Crime branch wants Jundal for 26/11, ATS for German bakery blasts
Mateen Hafeez, TNN Jun 26, 2012, 01.45AM IST

MUMBAI: Zabihuddin Ansari alias Zaby alias Abu Jundal's custody is being sought both by the Mumbai crime branch and the Anti-Terrorism Squad.

While the Mumbai crime branch has already obtained a production warrant from a city court for Zaby's custody to ascertain his role in the 26/11 attacks, the ATS is preparing for a transfer warrant to take him into custody in Pune's German Bakery blasts, the 2006 Aurangabad arms haul and several forgery cases.


On Monday, Ujjwal Nikam, special public prosecutor during Pakistani gunman Ajmal Kasab's trial and 26/11 investigating officer Ramesh Mahale moved a metropolitan magistrate, seeking that Jundal should be produced in a Mumbai court. Zaby is believed to have guided and controlled the terrorists at Nariman House from a Karachi control room throughout the night of November 27, 2008. "When the terror attack in Nariman House was in progress, Abu Jundal gave instructions to the attackers on phone and his conversation was intercepted by Mumbai police. The transcripts are on record. Jundal told the attackers that they should talk to the electronic media in a particular manner," Nikam told the court. Jundal gave the attackers a certain text to be given to electronic channels. His intention was to show that 26/11 was masterminded by Indian Muslims and not Pakistani terrorists, but it was foiled by Kasab's arrest.

Nikam further added that Kasab had told the special trial judge that Jundal was in a Pakistani vessel, al-Husseni, with the 10 attackers and three other Pakistanis when they hijacked the Indian vessel Kuber. After the 10 terrorists boarded Kuber, Jundal wished them success for their mission and returned to Pakistan on the al-Husseini. Nikam added that the voice on the intercepted phone call has to be matched by a scientific spectrograph test with voice samples which will have to be taken from Jundal, hence his custody was necessary.

{Even NIA can make those voice samples and he can identify the other voices in the tapes. I dont understand the Maha eagerness to get hold of Jundal. Its not like they had the lead in getting the perpetrator to India. Besides Kasab is enjoying birayani in a Maha jail. Not like Mr. Nikam got speedy trial earlier! }

Armed with the production warrant issued by the magistrate, a Mumbai police team will now go to Delhi to seek Jundal's custody and bring him here to stand trial. Jundal is the first Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) operative to be arrested after Kasab.

Zaby, 31, first came under the police scanner in 2006. "We had specific information that a person (Zaby) would come near the Manmad-Chandavad highway on May 6, 2006, with a huge consignment of arms and ammunition. We spotted three men in a Tata Sumo and an Indica driven by a man. We chased the two vehicles towards Aurangabad highway and caught the trio in the Sumo, but the man in the Indica gave us a slip. He later turned out to be Zaby, the main player in transporting the arms," said an ATS officer who was part of the operation.

The ATS arrested 21 men- six from Beed district, five from Malegaon, five at Aurangabad, two in Parbhani district and three from other places. "Zaby drove the Indica to Malegaon and met some acquaintances there. He told them he needed to park his car for a few days as he was going to meet a relative. The car was packed with arms," said police. Police had seized 43kg of RDX, 50 hand grenades, 16 AK-47 rifles and 3,200 live bullets. The suspects are facing trial under the stringent Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act (MCOCA). The trial was stayed for two-and-a-half years after an accused challenged the constitutional validity of certain provisions of MCOCA, but resumed in June 2009. :mrgreen: The ATS disposed of the seized explosives on July 7, 2006.

Zaby, say police, underwent training in operating firearms and explosives in late 2005 or 2006. {Where:?:} "We don't know when exactly he went for training. But on his return, he sent around half-a-dozen youths from Maharashtra to Pakistan's Muridke camp for training," said an officer.

"Zaby attended a meeting in a Colombo hotel where Indian Mujahideen operative Yasin Bhatkal and suspected key SIMI players like Fayyaz Kagzi and others were present. In the meeting, it was decided that Zaby would pass on LeT instructions to the Bhatkal group. Now that Zaby has been arrested, his interrogation will unravel several sensitive cases," said a police officer.
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ramana wrote:I think the TSP is divesting of its non-TSP citizen terrorists/assets.

In above narrative, he doesn't show familiarity with Hyderabad, yet gives instructions on specific localities there.

Would be interesting to see Kasab's reaction on seeing him.

Handler Ansari's arrest rattles kasab
MUMBAI: It was one piece of news that Pakistani gunman Ajmal Kasab least expected to hear. When the guards at Arthur Road jail in Mumbai informed the terrorist that his handler Zabihuddin Ansari was arrested, it shook the stoic demeanour of the terrorist who was part of the 10-member team that gunned down 166 persons and injured hundreds in the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks . A highly agitated Kasab wanted to know the details of Ansari's arrest and his first question to the prison guards was whether his mentor would be brought to Arthur Road jail, sources said.

Jail sources said he also wanted to know when Ansari, who goes by the name of Zaby and Abu Jundal, was arrested. "Kasab was surprised to know about Ansari's arrest. He was curious to get the details. He was desperate and wanted to know whether Jundal would also be lodged in the same prison. But when the jail authorities didn't entertain his questions, he started pacing his cell and seemed to be in a contemplative mood," one of the sources said.

Usually, Kasab, who has been in solitary confinement, tries to make conversations with his guards. But the guards have been given strict instructions not to discuss any topic related to the case or the investigation , sources said.

Kasab neither has access to television or newspaper nor does he have any calendar in his bomb-proof cell. He has to depend on the guards to figure out the day or month of the year. For the past couple of months, Kasab is brought out of his cell for an hour daily. "The authorities want to provide him with fresh air and sunlight to maintain his health," a jail official said. :mrgreen:

Kasab, who has been convicted for his role in the 26/11 terror attacks, is now 'Qaidi Number C-7096 '. He has been held guilty of killing over 50 people, including former ATS chief Hemant Karkare. He was arrested in November 2008.
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sum wrote:From a Beed village to 26/11 control room
Investigators are now alleging that the voice on the line was that of Maharashtra resident Syed Zabiuddin Syed Zakiuddin Ansari, deported from Saudi Arabia to India on Monday. Ansari, police say, told the Lashkar-e-Taiba’s assault team to introduce themselves as residents of Hyderabad’s Toli Chowki area. He instructed them to demand that the Muslims held in jail be released, “Muslim states” be made independent, and the Army withdrawn from Kashmir.

Ansari’s alleged role in 26/11, if established, will offer investigators invaluable insights into the attack. His improbable journey from the dusty village of Ghevrai, in Maharashtra’s Beed district to the Lashkar’s control room in Karachi, though, holds out hard questions for India.

Born on November 13, 1981, to insurance agent, Zakiuddin Ansari, Ansari was an only son, brother to five sisters. He studied at Ghevrai’s zilla parishad-run high school up to standard X, and then acquired an electrician’s qualification at the Indian Technical Institute in Beed. He was studying for a master’s at the Navgan Shikshan Sanstha college.

No one knows for certain just what led Ansari to make the decision to drop out of college — and, if police are right, to join the Lashkar. It is possible, though, that this choice had something to do with the communal violence which was part of the cultural fabric of his early life. Following a wave of communal riots across Maharashtra in the summer of 1984, the Shiv Sena took control of the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation and pushed forward communal mobilisations in rural areas. Umapur, not far from Ghevrai, saw murderous anti-Muslim violence in 1986. Later, tensions surged after the demolition of the Babri Masjid in December 1992. :-?


{If he was born in 1981, he would be 11 years old in 1992 and 3 years old when Shiv Sena won the Mumbai elections. Is Pravin Swami on drugs to write nonsense like this? So how would SS winning in Mamh lead to this type of radical behavior? Also post Godra riots happeend in Feb 2002.}


In 2001, Gujarat police investigators say, Ansari met Khalid Sardana, a Jammu and Kashmir resident studying at a seminary in the State, to discuss the prospect of sending SIMI cadre there for weapons training. Later that year, Sardana took several of Aurangabad men to train with Lashkar units in the mountains of Surankote, near Poonch. At least one, Fahad Sheikh, is now known to have been killed in fighting with Indian troops in the Hil Kaka area of Poonch. It remains unclear if Ansari also trained there, or in Pakistan.
Police in Gujarat have separately said Ansari and Ahmad placed an improvised explosive device on a Mumbai-Ahmedabad train in February 2006. The device, packed inside a suitcase, went off on the railway platform, after it was fortuitously removed from the train by a thief.

Though media have reported that Ansari, using the code-name Abu Hamza, may also have been involved in a 2006 attack on the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore, sources familiar with the investigation said they had so far gathered no evidence for this claim.
So now Shiv Sena winning a muncipal election in 1986 is supposed to have caused him to join LeT? :-?

Am always in awe about the 101 excuses our "secular" media finds to justify every Indian Islamic terrorist. Wonder what was the justification for the Kerala muslims given!
I think Prawin Swami needs to be challenged for his Lahori Logic.
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ramana wrote:
sum wrote:From a Beed village to 26/11 control room



I think Prawin Swami needs to be challenged for his Lahori Logic.
Another "journalist" in search of the padma shri and it's consequential benefits.
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26/11 was an Indian plot, claims Pakistan
Abu Jundal's disclosures — about the involvement of Pakistan's official agencies in the 26/11 plot and Islamabad's determined effort to block the deportation of one of the Mumbai attacks' masterminds to India — threaten to strain the bilateral ties.

Pakistan that worked hard to block Jundal's deportation for almost a year on grounds that he was actually Riyasat Ali from Pakistan, suddenly switched track to audaciously suggest that Jundal being an Indian national suggests that 26/11 could have been an Indian plot.
Even as Jundal gave details of the collaboration of Pakistan's state agencies in the 26/11 plot, its Interior Ministery adviser Rehman Malik blithely said India should focus on the role of Indians like Jundal, Fahim Ansari and Sabahuddin Ahmed in the Mumbai attacks. "Zabiuddin is Indian, he was caught in India, he did everything in India. Why are you blaming Pakistan? He is your citizen. That means your agencies failed to control their citizens. Please have a look at your system as well," Malik said.
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Malik claimed that all the recent terror attacks in India had been the handiwork of Hindu terrorists. Claiming he had warned home minister P Chidambaram of this, Malik said, "We warned you (India) three years back that Hindu extremism is coming to your country. Your own Taliban are emerging there. So now we've seen the result and I wish best of luck to India that the law enforcement agencies must do something to stop it," he said.

The remark, seen as insensitive at a time when Jundal's arrest has revived the painful memories of the terrorist assault on Mumbai, rankled even more because Pakistan's efforts to block the deportation of the terrorist have confirmed doubts in India that Islamabad has no intention to keep its promise to punish the 26/11 perpetrators. They also coincided with Jundal's disclosure about the elaborate effort that Lashkar and ISI made to make 26/11 appear a handiwork of Hindu extremists.

Rehman's outburst followed a strong statement by Chidambaram about the complicity of Pakistan. "India's claim of the Pakistan state's involvement in Mumbai's 26/11 terror strike has been proved with the confession statement of Abu Jundal," Chidambaram stated in Thirvananthapuram on Wednesday.
Chidambaram's ire is centred on the fact that for months Pakistan tried hard to stop the deportation of Zabiuddin, alias Jundal to India. It was a clear sign that Pakistan retained interest in keeping their terror assets intact, and Chidambaram will now up the ante on voice samples from Pakistan. That will become the new benchmark of Pakistan's cooperation on terror.

as usual paki brilliance. they dont not even shame. what etch and dee.
may they rot in jannat with corpses.
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In the immediate aftermath of the 26/11 Mumbai carnage, the ISI told a select gathering of foreign correspondents in Islamabad that the attack was a drama enacted by India to distract the world of ‘Hindu extremism’.
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Was there an official statement from KSA regarding handover of Zabiuddin Ansari?

I could not find anything on http://www.mofa.gov.sa
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In the immediate aftermath of the 26/11 Mumbai carnage, the ISI told a select gathering of foreign correspondents in Islamabad that the attack was a drama enacted by India to distract the world of ‘Hindu extremism’.
^And all our WKKs,INC led by Diggy and 30-40% of the junta would have still been talking about it if not for Kasab's arrest.
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^
Don't expect one. The whole thing was handled informally to save KSA the embarrassment resulting from extraditing a believer to a kafir nation.
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news from Bahrain abut abu hamza's arrest:

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDeta ... yid=332843
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Abu Jundal’s arrest: Pakistan slams India, says ‘we are proud of our ISI’
Zabiuddin is Indian, he was caught in India, he did everything in India. Why are you blaming Pakistan? He is your citizen. That means your agencies failed to control their citizen. Please have a look at your system as well".
"We warned you (India) three years back that Hindu extremism is coming to your country. Your own Taliban are emerging there. So now we've seen the result and I wish best of luck to India that the law enforcement agencies must do something to stop it," he said.
SO all the candle lighters in Mumbai have got thier response.
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We warned you (India) three years back that Hindu extremism is coming to your country. Your own Taliban are emerging there.
So the seeds of INC policy for garnering cheap votes in 2008 elections come home to roost now.
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sum wrote:MKB crawls out of where he was hiding to say that TSP knowingly sent Abu Jundal to Indian hands and US is behind this to spoil Indo-Pak "bonhomie".
Abu Jundal arrest: Who stands to gain?
Adrenaline has been flowing through the Indian veins for the past 48 hours since Zabiuddin Ansari aka Abu Jundal had his 'homecoming' after a prolonged absence abroad. He is a 'precious catch', no doubt.

Aside corroborative evidence, he can provide us fresh evidence about the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai [ Images ]. But there are also things he may not know, simply because he was not in the loop, as they say.
Saudi Arabia does use terror as an instrument of state policy, but it is strictly in other countries only. It is well-known that Riyadh played a big role in mobilising the anti-Shi'ite Salafist terror groups in post-Saddam Hussein Iraq despite their affiliation with the Al Qaeda with a view to prevent the Shi'ite empowerment. The Saudis are today openly helping terror groups in Syria with the hope to bring about a 'regime change' in that country. Equally, the Saudi role in organising Islamist radicals in the Libyan war is well-known.

But the golden rule in Riyadh is that the radical elements will be exterminated from Saudi soil as such, since they might threaten the stability of the regime. This is one major difference between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
That is to say, Pakistani security establishment would have known that Ansari was highly vulnerable on Saudi soil. Yet they apparently directed him to go and operate as a lone ranger out of Saudi soil, hoodwinking that country's intelligence. This remains an intriguing detail that needs some explanation. The point is India-Pakistan entanglements are never quite what meets the eye.

The heart of the matter is that Pakistan enjoys very close relationship with Saudi Arabia and one enduring template is security and military cooperation. (Pak army chief Ashfaq Kayani broke protocol to attend Nayef's funeral.) There is no doubt that if a day arrives with Iran going 'nuclear', Saudis will follow suit and reams of papers have been written by authoritative analysts that Riyadh might even source a custom made nuclear bomb from Pakistan.

Suffice to say, it is a profound relationship. That brings us to a second question: Didn't Pakistan weigh in that it was sure to provoke the Saudi security establishment if it transpired at any stage that Rawalpindi had introduced Ansari, who is a Lashkar e-Tayiba operative? Why did Pakistan risk such a misadventure that held the potential to raise dust in Saudi-Pakistani ties?

Suffice to say, Pakistani motivations in this case are rather complex. The first Pakistan reaction by Interior Minister Rehman Malik [ Images ] has been that Ansari is after all an Indian.

Even more intriguing is that Ansari has been apparently in the custody of the Saudi intelligence for months. Why were they holding him for so long? How did they nab him? Or, did they nab him or someone virtually handed him over to the Saudis? Why did the Saudis decide to deport him as the month of June 2012 was ending? In diplomacy, timing is of the highest significance.

Are we to believe that Ansari was a total duffer who opened a Facebook account in his real name which alerted spooks to his presence in the Saudi capital, etc, etc.?
The United States has scrambled to take credit for getting the Saudis to deport Ansari. The former US secretary of state Madeline Albright has been camping in New Delhi [ Images ] in recent days knocking at the doors of Indian politicians (including -- or especially -- the opposition politicians) canvassing support for Delhi's impending 'reform' allowing Wal Mart [ Images ] to enter India's [ Images ] $430 billion retail market.

Now, Albright abruptly changes tack and goes 'live' on the Indian television to flag Ansari's capture as one of the finest flowers of the US-Indian security cooperation.

Albright's message is not difficult to decipher: The US has only India's best interests in mind -- be it Ansari or Wal Mart.

The templates that surface in all this are the following: a) Pakistani motivations in sending Ansari to the viper's nest; b) Timing of the Saudi decision to deport Ansari; c) The US role (or lack of a role) in it in substantive terms.

The irresistible question in all this is once again, "Who stands to gain?"

To be sure, Pakistan loses heavily. Either it has been downright stupid or it gambled and lost or it willfully acted by getting rid of a most dangerous Indian from its soil who is in any case a 'burnt-out case'. Pakistan knew Ansari would probably spill the beans if he got into Indian hands, but then, Indians already knew much of what he might say anyway.
That apart, the US also would like to step into the India-Pakistan dialogue, which lately has been having a dynamics of its own sequestered from the chill in US-Pakistan ties. Indeed, highly irresponsible calls are being made in certain quarters in India questioning the raison d'etre of the dialogue with Pakistan. No doubt, the atmospherics of the India-Pakistan dialogue have overnight come under weather. Again, the lingering question would be, 'Who stands to gain?'
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It Pays to be Patient - Edit in The Hindu
For the loved ones of the 164 people who died in the 26/11 attacks, the arrest of Zabiuddin Ansari marks a small step forward in the slow march of justice. Mr. Ansari is alleged by India’s intelligence services to have been one of six men who guided the actions of a control team in Karachi. His arrest in Saudi Arabia will demonstrate to the masterminds of 26/11 that their crime is not forgotten, and that there will be no impunity. India’s intelligence services deserve credit for patiently pursuing Mr. Ansari — but so do its diplomats and national security strategists. India’s hunt for the perpetrators of 26/11 has met with more success than any past transnational terrorism investigation because of adroit use of the country’s geostrategic influence. New Delhi has succeeded in pushing the United States to take its counter-terrorism concerns seriously, hammering home the issue’s centrality to the relationship. Riyadh’s increasing cooperation with Indian counter-terrorism interests is also driven by its appreciation of the realities of a changing world. India, with China, will be among the kingdom’s principal energy markets in coming decades. More important, Saudi diplomats wish to wean India away from its long-standing relationship with their key regional adversary, Iran. There is one place, though, which remains shut off from the evolving international consensus on terrorism — and that is Pakistan, where 26/11’s key architects live.

There are three things India ought to do to deal with this situation. First, its high officials must resist the temptation to engage in the kinds of media-driven verbal India-Pakistan mud-wrestling that has periodically broken out over the 26/11 case. It has long been clear that powerful figures in Pakistan’s intelligence services had at least something to do with the attacks; it is unlikely that the country’s most powerful institution will collaborate in its own prosecution. It is not without reason, after all, that the men who harboured Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad are yet to be identified. Secondly, India must conduct the prosecution of Mr. Ansari as transparently as possible. Ill-advised Mumbai police investigators attempted to frame Indian nationals Sabahuddin Ahmad and Fahim Arshad Ansari for a role in the 26/11 attacks, disgracing themselves in the process. Finally, in years to come, with the influence of jihadist groups in Pakistan waxing, there will be new threats to India. New Delhi must anticipate and counter these threats using all tools at its disposal, from enhancing its counter-terrorism capabilities to doing what it can to strengthen the hands of democratic forces across the border. {That is the debatable point. There is no way Pakistan will revert to being a normal nation-state. It is only bound to be more and more Islamist in nature. In fact, we must be prepared for a rather sharp increase in Islamism within Pakistan in the next couple of years. It is a fallacy to believe that strengthening democracy there would somehow blunt the extremist Islamist fervour gripping the masses more and more. That is why an intact Pakistan functioning even nominally as one entity is dangerous for us. Enhancing counter-terrorism is a given, but so long as the source exists, even if it does not become stronger, the danger is ever present to plural, liberal and open societies like ours.}
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Interesting every one has his own axe to grind and appear wise in reading the events.

BTW, This Abu Chidiya is SIMI, IM and LET. Looks like he looks all things to all people. What if he was an agent provacator for some other entitiy.
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