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ramana wrote:Interesting every one has his own axe to grind and appear wise in reading the events.

BTW, This Abu Chidiya is SIMI, IM and LET. Looks like he looks all things to all people. What if he was an agent provacator for some other entitiy.
MKB, and Hindu are good bellwethers of official line of thought. Two key falsehoods they are propagating are: 1. Democratic tendencies in TSP as salvation for Indian security and 2. The critical importance of dialogue and eventual accommodation with TSP for regional stability.
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Jindal is common Indian name. Why would a terrorist call himself Abu Jindal!!!
Jindal are punjabi khatris. Jundal does not mean anything but 100% islamic nom
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A lot of reasons are being trotted out for how and why India got custody of Abu C.
Their view:
- US helped persuade KSA
- KSA gave custody so India will buy more oil
- KSA gave sustody so India wont support Iran
- TSP sent Abu C on one way mission to KSA and onward to India (MKB)

Facts:
Meantime the guy entered KSA in early 2010 and was arrested in mid 2010.
India had to provide numerous proofs to KSA to get the custody. This also demolishes MKB's speculation of TSP goodwill.
The fact that KSA took that long to give custody indicates they might have wanted to keep him even longer if it suited them.

So what changed that persuaded KSA to scarifice the Abu C?

Well we have :
-the Panetta visit
-the recent downturn in US-TSP ties
-KSA fears of Iran getting too powerful
-KSA wanting to hedge for US drawdown
- what else?
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Ramana,
Saudi Interior minister's change or perhaps absence may have played a role i suspect. The new crown prince is perceived to be friendly to our interests! Perhaps shyamd may be better placed to opine!
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Yes Nayef is dead.
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^^ It's no secret Nayef was very pro pak and had close ties. But his son ran the show and continues to run the show. I mean pak must have lobbied at the highest levels to prevent extradition.
But the way KSA think is very different. All the family members get together and talk about what to do. Each side airs an opinion, usually without the King around. Nayef being the interior minister would have had a big say and IMO his word of 'no' to extradition would have been enough. But it was nayefs approval of the extradition treaty which also helped.

He gave us quite a few other low level guys who were causing trouble in Kerala in 2010. But I think this case was clearly an exception and Nayef would have said no due to pak's insistence. His son Muhammad who is still the assistant minister of interior will be visiting soon but surely he must have had a big role as well as the powerful prince megren.
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To me its clear what has happened. The various ministries and agencies all want to claim credit for what happened and get the limelight so want to cut out each others roles in getting ansari.

He was on the watch since 26/11. Ansari was high enough to but not in the limelight so Paki's asked him to continue activities. So this guy was given fake passport, ID, married a paki woman etc. so he used this cover to conduct his missions in Nepal. He probably cropped up here but by the time we could react he was out to Pak or KSA.

Intercepts from the US confirmed he was in KSA and got KSA to pick him up. US and KSA interrogate him, this info is transferred to RAW.

Decision was taken to ask for extradition - we asked for Headley, the Omani financier and others.

KSA stonewalled because it was vetoed by the (obviously pakis don't want to let this idiot ruin ongoing ops- but they have had 2 years to prepare). So we asked US, US said sorry we can't do anything.

Fast forward - situation between pakis and US go down the drain ... Relations improve between KSA and US as well. So after long drawn out diplomacy and proof that he is indeed Indian, in the last few days Pak tried again. The final US support is the killer blow.

Notice this guy wasn't extradited just on his own - he was handed over along with incriminating evidence - 2 cell phones, his paki passport and ID. I mean if this was going to be covered up - pak could have surely got this at a minimum to reduce pressure as no implication of pakis and ISI involvement.

Clearly, this move was to pressure pak.

Nahchal sandhu himself interrogated him, on Tuesday and Wednesday night followed by Delhi police chief.

Ask yourselves why now? Why extradite now ? It is entirely possible that this was meant to be shown as a success for GOI given the domestic economic failures BUT I don't think INC is stupid because they know the secret would be out one way or another of the US involvement.
And the politicians have been the most silent, no one has milked the event.

Pressure tactic on pak IMO is the most plausible reason. But what comes next after this guy sings? So we have evidence of ISI involvement:
Go to the UN and bring international pressure? What's next?
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Ramana , was just told US will be designating Haqqani as terrorists and pressure is being put on TSP. So it makes sense - this is a US operation to put pressure on Pak. The reason why they didnt designate them as terrorists before was because US wanted to negotiate. Looks like that is now all off the table.

I think this is also because regional situation is changing - hint hint. See the news on J&K too.
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ramana wrote:A lot of reasons are being trotted out for how and why India got custody of Abu C.
Their view:
- US helped persuade KSA
- KSA gave custody so India will buy more oil
- KSA gave sustody so India wont support Iran
- TSP sent Abu C on one way mission to KSA and onward to India (MKB)

Facts:
Meantime the guy entered KSA in early 2010 and was arrested in mid 2010.
India had to provide numerous proofs to KSA to get the custody. This also demolishes MKB's speculation of TSP goodwill.
The fact that KSA took that long to give custody indicates they might have wanted to keep him even longer if it suited them.

So what changed that persuaded KSA to scarifice the Abu C?

Well we have :
-the Panetta visit
-the recent downturn in US-TSP ties
-KSA fears of Iran getting too powerful
-KSA wanting to hedge for US drawdown
- what else?
If US had such a say to KSA, wouldn't it have deported this pig to their land? Wouldn't khan be interested in finding out about the networks?
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If US had such a say to KSA, wouldn't it have deported this pig to their land? Wouldn't khan be interested in finding out about the networks?
He is more valuable to US as a tradable item to give India. It earns Indian goodwill, and raises TSP blood pressure, as always happens when India is "given" something.

I think this punk has no informational value, only use is to squeeze TSP and maybe corroborate already known info. I know B Raman thinks he has info about planned attacks, but how is that possible if he has been sitting in a saudi jail for 2 years?
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I still don't understnad the maha police rush to get custody of Abu Chidiya. Its not like he committed a local crime! Let the central agencies do the needful and then they can proceed with getting him convicted for the crimes in Maharastra. Appears to me that ATS and Mumbai police are competing!

Wanted all over
Two days before the 26/11 attack on Mumbai, Lashkar-e-Toiba operatives carried out a mock drill in Pakistan. The revelation came during the interrogation of Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal by the Delhi Police Special Cell, which arrested him on June 21.

The interrogation report says Ansari has admitted he was in the “control room” in Baitullah Mujahiddin near the international airport in Karachi, from where he had supervised the mock drill as well as the operation.

Present in the control room besides Ansari were Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi (the LeT military commander) and Abu Alkama, an LeT commander who had allegedly trained terrorists for the September serial blasts in Delhi that year. Sources said after the arrest of Lakhvi, the control room was destroyed so no documents could be found.

Sources said Ansari instructed the operatives to restrict the mock drill to two hours, apparently to ensure that the actual attack would not go on for too many days. During the drill, he used the same phone number and the same satellite phone set that he would use during 26/11.

He initially trained 12 potential attackers but only 10 decided to go ahead with the other two, the sources said, having lost “willpower”. They said that after the attack, those in the control room had been worried by initial reports about the supposed arrest of Ismail, leader of the group, then relieved to learn it was Kasab who had been arrested.

While training those selected, Ansari had also organised a “daawat” to recruit operatives. “They would party with chicken, mutton, khamiri, bada. :?: But they refrained from consuming wine,” :(( a source said. Fifty youths had received an invitation for the daawat. They began talking about the problems faced by Muslims, specifically during the post-Godhra riots. Later, they would discuss carrying out a jihad.

{Soon Rahul Bhatt/Imraan Hashemi type elites will start having parties serving these.}

Born on November 23, 1981, Ansari, who has at least a dozen aliases, is said to have been recruited into the LeT by Fayaz Kagazi, who was his senior in college. Ansari is a BSc and had been pursuing his Masters in Hindi when he dropped out in his first year. Sources said Fayaz, who they suspect is now in Saudi Arabia, introduced Ansari to Aslam Kashmiri, who was arrested in the Aurangabad arms haul case in 2006.

{Wait a minute. he was supposed to be a graduate of a polytechnic studying to be ab electrician. Now he is a graduate in Science and drop out with MA in Hindi?}

It was Fayaz who sent Ansari to Kathmandu for two months’ training in making bombs, they said. Ansari returned to Ahmedabad, where he is alleged to have helped carry out the blast of February 9, 2006.

{Is the bomb making school in Nepal shutdown by now?}

After the arms haul, Ansari narrowly escaped arrest and was reportedly reprimanded by Lakhvi for the failure of that operation. Ansari then left for Kolkata, then to Bangladesh along with Fayaz, and then to Pakistan, sources said.

In 2009, Ansari married a Pakistani woman, Mariamme, and has a son with her. The family lives in Pakistan.

Although it was Aslam Kashmiri who gave the police the first tip about Ansari, the arrest came only on a disclosure by Mohd Adil alias Ajmal, a Pakistani member of the Indian Mujahideen :?: who was arrested by the Special Team in November 2011. Adil disclosed that it was a Marathi Muslim called Zabiuddin who had been anchoring LeT operations, helped by Riyaz and Iqbal Bhatkal.

{So Ind Muj and LeT are now same-same? What does Doggy Singh have to say for his support of Ind Muj operatives in Batala House?}

Bengal police too want to question him

Zabiuddin Ansari used Bongaon, West Bengal, to sneak from India into Bangladesh before moving on to Pakistan in 2006. While he was in Bengal, he recruited youths from Murshidabad, Malda and North 24-Parganas who would operate in those districts, police sources said. A Bengal police team has now reached Delhi to interrogate him.

Two LeT operatives linked to Ansari were arrested by the Bengal police in July 2008 from Murshidabad. Mohammad Mustaq Ahmed, trained in Pakistan, ran a small garment shop , while Hasan-ud-Jamal alias Hasan Master was a primary schoolteacher. Mustaq was given the responsibility of providing shelter to LeT members and looking after local recruitment. During interrogation, they reportedly confessed they had helped recruits cross over to Bangladesh so that they could reach Pakistan for training.

“We have information that Mustaq was the LeT linkman in West Bengal and he had links with Ansari. We need to interrogate Ansari and have sent a team to Delhi,” an officer said. "However, we are sure Ansari did not return to Bengal after leaving in 2006.”
Shows how bad Indian police surveillance was that this guy was able to operate for so long in so many areas (Aurangabad, Bongaon Does he speak Bengali too?) before graduating to TSP!

If his name wasn't Abu Chidiya I would have mistaken it for Abu Bond.
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More stuff.

Choice of alias led to his arrest
NEW DELHI: Abu Jundal's choice of an alias helped intelligence agencies unravel his identity. Jundal aka Syed Zabiuddin Ansari chose to call himself Kaasif as he launched a website to attract young boys to the Lashkar-e-Taiba while he was in Saudi Arabia.

This was a blunder. Indian counter-terror agencies were familiar with Kaasif as one of the nom de guerres that Jundal used. In fact, this was mentioned in the dossier on Jundal and other Indian fugitives holed up in Pakistan that was shared with Islamabad.

Suspicions were strengthened when intelligence agencies, including western ones, noticed heavy traffic between Kaasif's website and others which were already on their radar for terror-related activities. They were confirmed on further monitoring leading the US to ask Saudi Arabia to detain Jundal.

As already reported, the scanning of the website and the four email accounts that Jundal used after 26/11 has already yielded a cache of information on Lashkar operatives including those whom the Maharashtra- born alleged terrorist had managed to lure away to Saudi Arabia.

"We have recovered some numbers and email IDs of other persons from him," said a source.

During his questioning, Jundal also talked about the Batla House encounter saying Lashkar bosses were angry with Indian police over the killing of Indian Mujahidin's alleged commander in the shootout.

{So what does Doggy Singh and INC have to say about this fact that IM operative was LeT member?}

The investigators are now seeking to find out from Jundal whether he was in touch with the Lashkar's Saudi Arabia head - Mahmoud Mohammad Ahmed Bahaziq. Suspected to be one of Lashkar's main fund raisers in the Gulf region, Bahaziq is said to be very close to India's most wanted man Dawood Ibrahim as well.


{Shyamd is there alternate spelling for this new Abu?}

Jundal has already disclosed the name of Lashkar operative Shaukat who took him to Bangladesh in 2006 to escape Indian police who were looking for him for the Aurangabad arms haul and Ahmedabad train blast cases. A hunt is on for Shaukat.

Sources also said Jundal has provided some details of sleeper cells of Lashkar in Kerala and other southern states. "He says that while he never visited India after 2006, he remained in touch with those modules, using different numbers each time he contacted them," said an official familiar with the details of Jundal's interrogation.

{Guess they can now tie those cells to David Headly and his cohort Rana's sojurns in South India?}

Jundal is being questioned by IB officials about various operatives of Lashkar in India. The agencies asked him questions about fake currency network being run by Iqbal Kana of Lashkar, hawala dealers based in India and Pakistan and hideouts in Jammu and Kashmir.

"He has not revealed much on these aspects yet," said a source. Jundal has, though, given details of his meetings with Indian Mujahideen bosses Riyaz and Iqbal Bhatkal in Muzzafarabad.
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Hardened Handler
26/11 Mumbai attack suspect Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal is giving a tough time to the investigators. During interrogations, Ansari starts with long speeches on religion — at times lasting for an hour. When questioned on the massacre at Chabad House in Mumbai on 26/11, he went on a discourse on Israeli “excesses against Palestine”. With a number of people coming to grill him, Ansari is also learnt to have told a senior police official that he was not aware that he was this important. The officials were heard discussing that thankfully he does not have access to newspapers or television otherwise his sense of importance would grow manifold.
Race for custody between Mumbai, Pune agencies

Has ID card from Pakistan govt, was initially mistaken for IISc attack suspect

On trial with him, man who revealed plot to attack Modi
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ramana wrote:BTW, This Abu Chidiya is SIMI, IM and LET.
By most accounts, LeT was officially launched in c. 1990. Not much later, its Indian wing was officially launched and the Babri Masjid demolition came as an excellent ruse. After the 1992 Babri mosque destruction, LeT sent Azzam Cheema to India to set up Tanzeem Islahul Muslimeen which much later became Indian Mujahideen (IM).
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ramana wrote:I still don't understnad the maha police rush to get custody of Abu Chidiya. Its not like he committed a local crime!
Wanted all over
. . . After the arms haul, Ansari narrowly escaped arrest . . . Bengal police too want to question him
Shows how bad Inidna police surveillance was that this guy was able to operate for so long in so many areas
Ramana, I agree that the Mumbai Police & the ATS must wait before the national-level agencies complete their interrogation because the conspiracy and future planning have an India-level impact. But, Mumbai police have indeed two crimes (possibly more) at least for which they have to interrogate him.

On the escape of Ansari from the Maharashtra Police in 2006, it speaks very poorly of their tactics. After all, they went to arrest him in connection with a huge arms haul in Aurangabad. They should have realized they were dealing with a very dangerous anti-national even if they did not know the extent of his involvement at that time. They went straight to his house where they did not find him. His father told the police he was in his electrical shop. The police asked his father to call him home and that was where he sensed something was wrong and escaped.
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Abu Jundal Prize Catch or A Victim of Turf War

A "secularist" buffoon gets space on the TOI for wild CTs.
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Arjun wrote:Abu Jundal Prize Catch or A Victim of Turf War

A "secularist" buffoon gets space on the TOI for wild CTs.
The moron states:
Now suddenly, out of nowhere Abu Jundal, a native of Beed and an Indian national—whose real name is Zabiuddin Ansari and who has an established, positive connection with the Maharashtra Police—emerges
2009 Article:
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_a ... re_1276204
Police are baffled at Kasab’s revelation in court on Monday that an Indian, Abu Jundal, was involved in November 26 terror attacks.

“We did not come across Abu Jundal’s name during investigations. Kasab never told us about him during the interrogations,” Rakesh Maria, the joint commissioner of police (crime), said.

Police were investigating Jundal’s involvement. Only after investigations were over, Maria said, police would decide whether to name him as an accused in the case.
Again from 2009
[url]http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-07-21/india/28180497_1_abu-jundal-ajmal-kasab-kasab-case[/url]
Who is Abu Jundal, the Indian named by Ajmal Kasab during his confession on Monday? This is the first time that Kasab has named an Indian as a handler of the Lashkar-e-Taiba that had masterminded the 26/11 carnage.

Though special public prosecutor Ujwal Nikam said Kasab had deliberately named an Indian to mislead the investigation, sources in the security establishment confirmed that a terror mastermind, by the name Abu Jundal, did exist. ''In fact, he has been one of the most-wanted leaders and we have been trying to track him down for the past 15 years,'' a security official said.
From 2010
http://netindian.in/news/2010/02/04/000 ... -be-indian
Union Home Minister P Chidambaram today said that there was a handler in the November 26, 2008 terror attacks on Mumbai who could be an Indian or someone who had lived in the country for a long time.

"There was a handler in 26/11 whom we have known for long, or suspected for a long time, could be an Indian," Mr Chidambaram told journalist Vir Sanghvi in an interview on television channel CNBC-TV 18.

He said that voice samples of the suspect from Pakistan were essential to conclusively estbalish the identity of the handler, who goes by the name of Abu Jindal.
From 2009
http://www.timesnow.tv/Saeeds-secret-me ... 327657.cms
It emerged that an FIR was reported against a man named Abu Jandal, who is said to have attended one of Hafiz Saeed's secret meetings. Speculation is rife that this is the same Jandal wanted in planning the 26/11 Mumbai attacks and Ajmal Kasav claimed that it was Abu Jandal, who taught him Hindi and the ropes of launching terror strikes.
From 2010
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... ror-attack
According to Indian security sources, one of the 26/11 handlers, Abu Jundal, referred to Kashmiri's 313 Brigade during one of his instructions to terrorist Imran Babar.{He is linked to Ilyas Kashmiri}
And there are tens of more articles. Stating for the record so that morons with their own agendas dont allege that "Abu Jundal" was recently dug up phenomenon and mislead us all. That fellow was sought for a long time, has been mentioned in Kasab's confessional statement in 2009, has been mentioned by Chidambaram in 2010, has been mentioned by the police and intelligence agencies as someone they are tracking and hope to catch. There are records which go back atleast 3 years! and the moron has the temerity to say:

Now suddenly, out of nowhere Abu Jundal :evil:

And oh by the way the name "Abu Jundal" seems to be popular, an article from 2005
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2005 ... alism.html
Who is Abu Jundal? How come the account of his life has become a doctrine to legitimatize draconian attitudes? The story of Abu Jundal took place in a time when the Prophet Muhammad offered a peace deal with the tribe of Quraish, called the Treaty of Hudaybiya. The Quraish sent Suhayl bin 'Amr as an emissary. One point of the treaty said, ""If any person from among the Quraish goes to Medina he shall be sent back, but if any Muslim goes to Mecca he shall not be sent back.""

Before the treaty was signed, a son of Suhayl named Abu Jundal escaped Mecca and had gone to Muhammad seeking shelter as a newly converted Muslim. Suhayl demanded the return of his son if Muhammad wanted to proceed with the agreement. The Prophet was in difficult position. He knew the Quraish would treat Abu Jundal badly if he was returned because of his faith. However, if he did not return Jundal there would be no treaty.

To the objections of his friends and advisers, mainly Umar bin Khattab, the Prophet decided to hand over Abu Jundal to the Quraish. He offered Abu Jundal some condolence by stating that God would present him a way out.

On his way to Mecca, Jundal killed the Quraishi accompanying him and escaped to Saif al-Bahr. He joined with Abu Baasir Utba bin Usaid and 70 other people who accepted Islam and left Mecca. They began to raid the Quraish caravans that traveled to Syria for trade. They spread fear and killed many people. Their deeds disrupted economic activities in Mecca.
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SSridhar, Can we capture Anujan's post on Pak Watch blog so it can be quoted?

Thanks,

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Anujan, you have a PM.
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ramana wrote:More stuff.

Choice of alias led to his arrest
During his questioning, Jundal also talked about the Batla House encounter saying Lashkar bosses were angry with Indian police over the killing of Indian Mujahidin's alleged commander in the shootout.


"He has not revealed much on these aspects yet," said a source. Jundal has, though, given details of his meetings with Indian Mujahideen bosses Riyaz and Iqbal Bhatkal in Muzzafarabad.
sum wrote:Is there no level to which these guys stoop? If the law minister says that Rajmata started crying since it was so unfair, what stops him from getting the Delhi CM indicted for a encounter case like they have been doing in Gujarat?

Sonia cried after seeing Batla encounter images: Khurshid
Law minister Salman Khurshid on Thursday said Congress president Sonia Gandhi had tears in her eyes when he showed her pictures of Batla House encounter.

Salman Khurshid was addressing a rally in Azamgarh on Thursday in Uttar Pradesh on the last day of campaigning of the second
phase of UP polls.
Disgusting folks...

Recall Salman Khurshid's claiming that Sonia Gandhi wept for these terrorists? Can some one ask him about it now?

And confront Doggy Singh on his consorting with terrorists?
And those Jamia Uty profs claiming innocent victims onlee?
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SSridhar wrote:Anujan, you have a PM.
SSridharji
Will do.
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Sushupti,
I reopened the old thread. Please post there. Will move the relevant posts there.
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Look at the Paki perfidy
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/saudi ... t/968110/0
A scientific superimposition of photographs from Ansari’s school days, then from his files in India and his current picture, was done repeatedly and they all suggested he was the same person. Yet, the Pakistani claim that he was Riyasat Ali, travelling on a genuine Pakistan passport (QL1790941), issued on January 28, 2009 and valid until January 27, 2014, weighed heavy on the Saudi authorities. His father’s name was recorded as Mohammed Khushi in the passport and he was shown as belonging to Sheikhupura in Punjab. He also had a Pakistani wife Miriam and was even issued a National Identity Card.

{After there was a DNA match}
Another apprehension conveyed was whether Indian agencies had somehow managed to get the suspect’s own sample earlier and was now showing it as his father’s sample.

This time a vial of blood was given so that Saudi agencies could get their own institutions to do the test. These tests, too, delivered the same result, confirming his identity as Zabiuddin Ansari. By then, Pakistan authorities had passed on Riyasat Ali’s National Identification Number and other relevant details but it was becoming difficult to hold the argument and Saudi agencies conceded that he was an Indian.
All in all if the Pakis tried so hard it is a big catch!!
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Anujan, Top priority should be to let Ansari's family reunion with their grand child and bahu.
Can't let them become potential hostages in TSP.

Howcome SMK doesn't issue them visa pronto?
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Nothing that we don't know. Yet,

ISI & PA protect Hafiz Saeed 24X7: Jundal
26/11 plotter Zabiuddin Ansari aka Abu Jundal has said that LeT chief Hafiz Saeed, one of world's most serious terror threats, is guarded round the clock by Pakistan's security forces and its spy agency, the ISI.

Jundal's disclosure about the 24x7 security extended to Saeed by Pakistan's security forces and the ISI only underlines what has always been known: the security establishment in that country treats LeT as a strategic asset and would protect it at cost of global community's annoyance.

The terrorist also told Indian agencies that LeT, faced with heightened pressure on Pakistan post-26/11, has shifted is operational command, Beit-ul-Mujahidin — in jehadi parlance — from Muzaffarabad in PoK to Dulai, closer to J&K.

The 26/11 mastermind, who has admitted to have met Zakiurr Rahman Lakhvi in Pakistan's Adiala Jail, has also said that the LeT commander has all the facilities in the prison. He has revealed that despite their growing notoriety as a terrorist outfit, funds are not in short supply for LeT. He also disclosed that Muzammil has taken over the command of LeT after Lakhvi's arrest.

Jundal has also disclosed the name of one Shaukat, who took him to Bangladesh in 2006 to escape Indian police who were looking for him for the Aurangabad arms haul and Ahmedabad train blast cases. Now, IB officials are trying to locate Shaukat.
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Ansari guy is described as a hardened jihadi but he has been singing from day one. He was also described as looking scared when handed over to Indian officials.
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SS-ji may be. But some can be boastful of their "achievements" knowing that there are no *real* consequences to the actions performed.
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only just discovered?? :lol:

This is the exact reason the jehadi WKKs pitch for more people to people contacts. Shame on us for being taken in so easily.


Pakistan used cricket diplomacy to survey terror targets
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chetak wrote: Shame on us for being taken in so easily.
And repeatedly too. We are foolish letting Pakis inside our country.
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26/11 attackers were helped by 40 Indians: Pakistan
"Our information is that there were at least 40 Indian nationals who helped the attackers. We want India to come clean on this," an unnamed official of Pakistan's Foreign Office was quoted as saying by The Express Tribune.

Pakistan will "push" India to share details of the recent arrest of Ansari alias Abu Jundal when the foreign secretaries of the two countries meet in Delhi this week, the report said.
If Ansari & Fasih were Indians and therefore part of the Fantastic Forty as TSP claims, why the fck did Pakistan ask KSA to extradite them to Pakistan claiming they were Pakistani citizens ?
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^^ As much as i LOL at anything Karachi bob says, somehow it seems he must have overheard this 40 figure at some ISI party where some handler must have been boasting about 40 Indians training under him for various ops. So, wouldnt completely dismiss the number out of hand.
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sum wrote:^^ As much as i LOL at anything Karachi bob says, somehow it seems he must have overheard this 40 figure at some ISI party where some handler must have been boasting about 40 Indians training under him for various ops. So, wouldnt completely dismiss the number out of hand.
No he was reading the beat up copy of Arabian Nights tale "Ali Baba and Forty thieves" and decided on the number.

The good thing is the TSP will themselves spill the local recruits' names.

Now which jihadi will work for them in future?

Can't go on Haj to KSA or to TSP!
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LeT 'major general', two ISI men were inside 26/11 control room: Abu Jundal | TOI
NEW DELHI: A senior Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militant, identified only as "major general saheb", was among the 10 people present in the control rook set up in Karachi to orchestrate the 26/11 terror attack on Mumbai, key suspect Abu Jundal has told Indian investigators, an officer said.

Indian intelligence agencies are still to ascertain the identity of the LeT militant.

However, they are convinced that at least two of the 10 people present in the control room on November 26, 2008, were from Pakistan's spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), as per Jundal's revalations.

"Till now, Jundal has informed us of some persons present in the control room. He identified one of them as 'major general saheb', whose original name is yet to be ascertain. He seems to be a high-ranking LeT militant. This apart, Jundal has identified Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi and Muzammil alias Yusuf as those present," an officer in the investigating team told IANS.

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After 12 days of questioning Jundal, India is now convinced that the 26/11 attack took place with state support and that the ISI played a key role.

"But investigators need more time to collect irrefutable clues and evidence," the officer said.

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"The name and rank of the ISI officers was not known to Jundal. At least, that's what he claims and reasons out that he was not allowed to ask them who they were when he met them in the Karachi control room," the officers said.

They also said that Jundal only knew the names of LeT leaders Hafiz Saeed and Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, whom he used to meet.

But he was positive that the two, whom he could not name, were ISI officers, all from their distinctive behaviour and conduct, which seemed military and bureaucratic.

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What i heard is either the desi jihadi recruits are :1) wanna be rich will do anything type ( varies from filmi to need US via on a fake hindu name passport ) or 2) upper class ( money in family ,fantasize about PBUH and think they know & understand Quran better than mullahs type . They give money in lieu for being considered brain behind the coming rise of chand-sitara in desh . Sometimes they get caught in act with foot soldiers . In that case mullahs make moolahs from their family with promise of getting the 'innocent boy' back . Once past the age of 45+ they begin to smell coffee till then they continue on their chand-sitara agenda . Over the time most of them give up but then there's always someone else to take their place & the cycle continues) Quite a few make a replica of TSP model in desh via business-politics-foreign base-broker lifestyle & end up as players & become known to friends & foe alike .
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Newsinsight has an article

The Indian Hand?
The Indian hand?
Without local help, the 2008 Bombay carnage wouldn't have happened, says N.V.Subramanian.

2 July 2012: Whilst the quality of the follow-up that led to the capture of Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jindal is exemplary, some questions still remain to be answered about the November 2008 Bombay attack that killed 164 persons and injured more than 300. And the most important of the questions is this: Did Indians in India facilitate the Bombay attack?

P.Chidambaram's home ministry has been most emphatic in saying no.

The Pakistan government in an attempt to absolve state and non-state actors insists Indians in India were involved.
The Pakistan foreign ministry has repeated this charge to counter the adverse publicity generated by the arrest and disclosures of Abu Jindal. It puts the figure of Indians involved at 40.

This writer was amongst the first to question the claim of the Manmohan Singh government that no resident Indian was part of the Bombay attack conspiracy. It deserves to be questioned again. The claim was made reflexively, not on the basis of police investigation, but as a political statement. Perhaps the government thought such a statement would calm Hindu and Muslim sentiments and keep the secular peace.

But this writer's analysis still tells the Manmohan Singh government lied. :eek:

The Indian state is far too matured and resilient to go up in flames because of terrorist attacks from Pakistan.

The November 2008 carnage was the product of well-coordinated and meticulously planned shooting and bombing attacks. The attacks were spread over several sites in South Bombay. The sites were perfectly chosen to maximize terrorism. Crowded places such as Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus became a slaughter house for Pakistani terrorists whilst hotels like Taj Mahal and Oberoi Trident raised the social profile of terrorist victims. From the Lashkar-e-Toiba's perspective, the attack couldn't have been more successful.

But the scale of attack and the employment of at least 11 terrorists suggest the LeT did not manage the entire bloodbath exclusively through radio contact. They should have had logistics and spotters' teams on the ground to carry the Pakistani controllers through every stage of the attack, because the attack spread over not a couple of hours but three days, in which an entire megalopolis was held to ransom.

Moreover, it is impossible that the terrorists reached their respective target destinations so quickly and smoothly without having some prior acquaintance or knowledge of South Bombay. South Bombay is a maze as anyone who's been there knows. For a newcomer to set about capturing landmarks on the basis of memorized military maps is impossible unless he received help along the way. Or he was no newcomer. Recces by David Coleman Headley couldn't have given such intimate knowledge to the terrorists of the attacked hotels without having stayed in them or personally visited. The list of irreconcilables is long.

From the very first day of the attack, the Indian government said no Indians were involved. It was later amended to include Abu Jindal but excluded the possibility of any local Indian assistance to the terrorists in India, before or during the attack. How could the Indian government be so sure? That narrative has become a matter of faith with the government, impeding investigations into the Indian angle of the Bombay attack, and pinning the blame entirely on Pakistani terrorists. You cannot customize terrorism investigations in such fashion.

Because India has not come clean on the Bombay attack, it gives scope for Pakistan to embarrass the government, as it has once again done. Seen objectively, the Bombay attack was conceived and planned by the Lashkar-e-Toiba in Pakistan. The ISI and the Pakistan army and navy participated in the project on a deniable basis. Disgruntled Indians were used, some based in Pakistan like Abu Jindal and others operating out of India. It still makes it a Pakistani operation for which the LeT chief, Hafiz Mohammed Sayeed, should hang. But the Indian government is equally engaged in cover-up by denying an Indian hand other than that of Abu Jindal.

At the least, it shames memories of victims of the 2008 carnage, many of whom were Muslims.
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Looks like a story to boost the role of Mumbai Police in the eyes of the public thru gullible reporter.

- Kasab is already in judicial custody. SO what is the need for 'covert' interrogation? he can be questioned as and when they need. Besides Kasab was not the one with a cell phone! He might at best tell about Mur(d)ike capers.
- We already have Daoud Gilani aka David Headley saying he bought the red threads near Siddi Vinayak Temple to confuse the Indian police and take advantage of the saffron terror new stories. So how can Ansari have come up with the same scheme?


It would be nice if the Police spokesman read the back ground files and not contradict with new versions of old infromation.

There is a small issue of credibility.

A newpaper can always print a retraction and in case of Ind Express brazen it out.
Not the govt spokespersons.
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I thought I asked thsi question if Ansari met David headley urf Daoud Gilani in some thread:

Met Headley, Lakhvi was with him

Did Headley confess to meeting Abu Hamza or Ansari?
Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal, accused of handling the 26/11 attacks from Pakistan, has reportedly confessed that he met David Coleman Headley at a terror training camp ahead of the attacks, and that Lashkar-e-Toiba commander Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi was with the Pakistani-American.

Investigators said Jundal claimed to have met Headley at a training camp in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir. Their interaction was apparently brief but Ansari claims he did know that Headley was scouting for targets to attack.

The disclosure has lent weight to investigators’ suspicion that Ansari was the man whom Headley has been referring to as Abu Hamza. The NIA plans to contact the FBI in light of this claim. The NIA, which has questioned Headley, believes Jundal also met Sajid Mir, named by Headley as his handler.
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