Bharat Rakshak

New thread for discussion on India-US Foreign Policy and strategic issues.

Six year old Indian origin Christian girl on the US no fly list :

Another buttering by Obuma to our PM
Expect all the media to go ga ga till the US sticks a rod up their a$$. Access to Headley, proping up the pakis , meddling in Indo Pak relationship is all forgotten for now

When Singh speaks, people listen: Obama.

- The Hindu

Seriously this is so juvenile.

This is because when Obama sneezes, Indian media catches a cold.

India should think and cooperate with United States beyond the focus of Pakistan. Particularly in terms of space cooperation and also developing marine technology and airbus and so on. India and US has much more common values which also need to be cherished through promotion of Indian languages and other knowledges available in India - of course it is already happenning.
One of the important contribution India can make in promoting family and community values (without being caste centric and partriarchal in characteristics) alongside those who are already doing in United States.

It is also essential to work together in terms of developing heavy machine technology from US for our own future plans of development.


India, U.S. to establish four working groups on health sector
http://www.healthcare-digital.com/news/ ... lth-sector

Ties Strengthen Between United States and India
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/as ... 63354.html


I do not know whether S M Krishna does his job good as Congress has this behaviour of making Chief Ministers who lost their elections as central ministers. I should say S M Krishna was good in terms of focussing on developing Bangalore based IT centres and so on but was not able to spread the development across Karnataka. Then he is good for something in IT area not for Foreign ministry but anyway hope he will do something proactive to develop India US relationship further. I am not sure what happened to nuclear cooperation. India signs with everyone nothing is real happening for the energy hungry India on the ground.

He has been put there to increase relationship with China and Russia. That is the biggest priority


US is not needed by India

Why? US is still the biggest market and the most dominant in research and cutting edge technology.

With all their controls it doesn't matter to India where they are in technology.

In this forum and in this thread, not too long ago, one of the "expert"
said, :Link

(I could have picked up one of many.. but just one example ...)

WOW!!!! the "expert" never heard of her, but this does not matter, see the wisdom! One time I heard such briliant analysis was when some "expert" analysed how all Indians burn their brides when he heard that there was a new Indian doctor in his town..

Unfortunaterly many dialogs here are following the same theme and/or in other ways going downhill ..
.
On one hand we get multiple comments like "US is not needed by India" or "it doesn't matter to India where they are in technology." on the other hand others are getting tizzy because of a comment by Obama (which, as in this case happened to be positive - but it would not have matterd). "experts" are giving their verdict of "MMS buttering up" or "its all so juvinele" etc...
Seriously folks, as some one has pointed it out, this vuvuzella noise is becoming very annoying.
(P.S. JEM, BTW I really enjoyed your comment in Iran thread, but same can be applied in this thread too)

Regards.,
(Disclaimer: I had NO intentention of flaming anyone.)

One may be good friend to Russia and China but it does not mean that India should not regard US as a business or cultural friend and partner. In as much as India needs US I think US needs India too. Policies of Environment and Economic balances India is closer to US than any other countries. I strongly suggest that India rethinks its foreign policy to make advantage of good relations with all from whom she benefits and they too benefit with good relationship with India.

When Nehru had this policy of China bhai-bhai what happenned the history will tell. Pariticularly we need US friendship when China is checking India with pearl policy very openly. Russians are also weary about Chinese increasingly arms supply to various Islamic folks including Chechens ofcourse through international arms market (not directly).

India has to be a friend with US even to put pressure on Pakistan but at present MMS' policies are a kind of isolating India from International governments and make India to depend too much on China and others.

We have to come to a level of negotiating very carefully in terms of NPT and other issues rather than taking a straightforward withdrawal to another camp. It is essential that India works out a good relationship in a way that is mutually beneficiary. It may also need some sort of compromises on ourside particularly in Nuclear polciies so that we are also growing in other ways.

This suggestion may not be good for the national interest of India.

PS- Anybody not agreeing with my comments or feeling 'emotional' about my comments - I apologize to them.

Amber GJi,

There is a lot of wisdom in what was said and discussed from that point on, namely, NH should not even be on our consciousness (I mean those who care for Indian interests), we should not be giving her the time of the day. Pity you don't see the wisdom in this.

Anyway, have the math fields medal awardees been announced? I only hope that if the awardee is an Indian or of Indian origin, he doesn't run away from his roots like a dog whose tail is on fire, and many "wise" folks both here and on DDM and elsewhere yet celebrate that achievement as that of Indian. You get the drift.

When a mod states clearly that a topic is not appropriate for a thread (as archan did in the very first post here), it is best to let it go and not continue to fulminate.

The US is not a democracy - it is controlled by elites who manage elections, control the media and assassinate troublesome individuals. Many of the goals of these elites are illegitimate - for example the global warming scam.

Nevertheless, India should cooperate with anybody on a mutually beneficial basis, without succumbing to any illegitimate demands. A problem is that the elites that control the US have a considerable influence on the Indian polity, too.

Why should "you" apologize if others are emotional?

You make some good points on the nature of US polity, but this comment of yours, is frankly trash talk. Anthropomorpic global warming is a reality. To deny it, puts you among the distuinguished crowd that includes Fox news fascists and their supporters. I am not sure thats a distinction you are proud of.

Ah, thank you we would have never guessed otherwise, the post certainly seems to spare no effort in achieving that effect.

Meanwhile, I personally feel that issue of persons of Indian origin, immigrants and their take on immigrant community is crucial for a strategic forum like BRF.

Too long India has shunned the people that left her shores and allowed them to be carried away by waves of time. Haiti, Trinidad etc etc.. No more I would say. Make links and use them.

The discussion is very valid for India in realizing what the effect of diaspora is going to have on India.

Just because it causes discomfort to some, that is hardly the basis of discouraging the discussion.

Kindly explain?

May be you should explain rather than ask me to explain. Go back and read your post. Use wikipedia, if need be.

Why the chip on the shoulder? If my point was not clear to you, you can ask for clarification otherwise why add nonsensical emoticons?

Hope U.S. acts “favourably” in Anderson extradition: PM

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article491800.ece

Boss, emoticons can appear to be nonsensical given the vantage point YOU take. You never did check wikipedia on what Haiti has to do with "Indians" or shall we say, Indic-origin peoples. Yet you have the balls to keep yapping endlessly about chip on someone's shoulder and what not. Do your homework, then talk.

Debating individual americans' religious affinities is passe, but has somehow become de jure brf-itis, championed by a few. It really does not matter if Nikki Haley chose Christianity or not, she is not an Indian in the first place. Goodwill for expats from India is one thing, making their behavior a matter of brf's concern especially given that they have renounced Indian citizenship (assuming they even had one in the first place) when there are bigger fish to fry only shows the pettiness in terms of strategic interests. I am sorry to say this: in a thread titled strategic news and discussion, what bullshit is this about Nikki Haley or Bobby Jindal's religion. Let them be, India is not short because they have chosen to leave Hinduism or may hate Hinduism. It is India's own responsibility to worry about its needs and interests, expecting dole from BJ or NH, only because their parents originated in India is strategically asinine in case you did nt realize this so far.

CRamS - you are mistaken. There has been no global warming since 1900. Temperature change on Earth is closely correlated to temperature change on Mars (suggesting that the sun is playing the key role - http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/stor ... 59a5c7f723), and in any case changes in CO2 levels lag changes in temperature, which is opposite of what would have happened if CO2 was causing temperature increase (http://www.sciencebits.com/IceCoreTruth). The temperature during the medieval warm period was significantly higher than it is today (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/t ... ipulation/).

Check these out -

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995 - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l?ITO=1490

Rural US Sites Show No Temperature Increase Since 1900 - http://objectivistindividualist.blogspo ... ature.html

Climate scientists withdraw journal claims of rising sea levels - http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... ct-siddall

World may not be warming, say scientists - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 026317.ece

As regards political motivations for the global warming scam, we are discussing them, to some extent, in this thread in the GDF: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5525

Stan I know what Haiti has to do with the issue at hand. That is why I mentioned it. If you think it does not, kindly explain your position rather than one line emoticons.

Meanwhile you think Indian diaspora is not of concern to India and we should not talk about it. Considering that how important Indian diaspora is in Indian media and the effect it has on general public discourse, trying to say, "oh they dont exist" is well, ostrich.

The issues exist there is discussion in the media and people are talking about it. That is the reality. Now you think people should not talk about it -- fine your opinion and walk the talk -- stay out of those discussions.

What is the Khujli to stop others from talking? I have a perspective and I laid it out clearly, if the mods think that discussion related to diaspora should be on another thread, it will be on another thread, if no thread then it will be on Nukkad.

Suppressing discussion because they dont meet your personal standards is well, sorry not likely not work as long as we are a open society.

Excuse me, sir, this is what you wrote:

And then you come up with his gem:

You think I am an idiot?! You think folks reading this thread are nutjobs?! How many Indian-origin people do you know in Haiti? May be you are the only one who can explain how clubbing Trinidad and Haiti in one breath could pass muster without the emoticon. Please, accept the challenge and explain to people how putting Haiti and Trinidad in the context you did is not -worthy. Instead of accepting a silly error, you go on and on like an eb.


Is Nikki Haley's religion of concern to the Indian diaspora at large?! Is Bobby Jindal's religion a big concern to most (or a good fraction) of the Indian-origin people who may or may not hold Indian citizenship in the first place? A passing remark is one thing, making it the subject of discussion for reams and reams of pages is quite another brf-disease, again championed by a few like you.


On the one hand, toi is toilet paper, desi media is ddm. On the other hand, what media discusses is important. Selective application of logic is what I will call sanku-therapy.


Quite late. Read the first damn post of this thread. Sanku, is your tactic always like this?: Butt in on some random topic, make an asinine point, and when pointed out that the point is asinine, bring in bullshit, and when the shit is called, whine about democratic rights. It is boring, sanku. Please.

Stan let me do the needful if only helps some folks to look up things before coming up with ringing posts.



We're talking about Indian diaspora right? Maybe the sea waves washed the Indians away?

Stan, tchh,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-reside ... ian_Origin



And what in the statement that I made led you to make the claims that you did, "the Indian diaspora must be looked after where ever they may be, Haiti or Trinidad"? Did I claim to provide a exhaustive list? Did I claim to to provide a list of ranked countries? Did I claim that they must be same level of countries?

Clearly the message was "Even if there is a minuscule minority Indian diasopra they should count" I thought that the reference to Haiti should be OBVIOUS in that regard. Well I was wrong, there are people to whom that was not obvious. Fine.

But what you did was to freely assume all that about my post and proceeded to act smart.

I am frankly tired of a growing tribe of forumites here who speak for what others mean and are more interested in baiting others than adding their perspective. You are too good to join their tribe.

Meanwhile your selective interpretation of my post which you do not understand but feel free to start going on a apolpyltic fit over does not deserve a response -- perhaps if you can talk about what I actually wrote



If there is anything you have to add on the content of the matter, that is the importance of Indian diaspora in public space and imagination and strategic effects thereof, we can talk about it.

It will be entirely your choice whether you wish to discuss that topic or derail the thread with what you think I said.

And oh, your cheap street level talk masquerading as discussion does not intimidate me, I have seen the kinds where bluster passes for content before, what I cant understand is why you wish to stoop to the same.

Ah, Sanku's sankarapandiness, the ones that i have seen before. Boss, guess what, I wish I had all the time in the world for you. I have a day (and night) job where I have to get certain things done lest some n maakis get to my backside. Good luck with your leaps that fail to impress me and goodbye, till I confront you sooner than you wish.

Stan, the attention is very flattering, as long as you can discuss meaningful content, I will be around.

Meanwhile, dont waste yourself on straw man bashing and other such juvenile items, there are a few poster who can do no better, but seriously you are pretty good to need to resort to such as well as be aggressive. Just a friendly suggestion.

It is not that NH or BJ is verboten on this forum or thread, it is what you discuss about them. We do not wish to discuss their religious faith and benefits/deficiencies of one faith vs. other.
Sanku, I have seen you on many occasions getting upset at other members and your tone is confrontational in many discussions. I have seen this in the military forum and here. Like I commented in nukkad not too long ago, one of these days we will run out of patience and start throwing warning and bans around. Seriously the good some of you guys do by bringing in your knowledge and perspective on this forum is undone by none other than yourselves.

Archan, please feel free to point out where exactly have I said that their religious faiths should be discussed? Much less discussed the comparative analysis of their faiths? My entire set of posts about Indian origin politicians in US was based on "cultural values" with religion being one of the many indicators.

And, "ham aah bhee karte hain to ho jaate hain badnaam, wo katl bhee karte hain to charcha nahi hota"

BO's policy is dangerous. not just with TSP and India but also Russia.
This one is the silliest story made up just to create scare among western countries.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 492160.ece

All actors involved in the act have been warned officially. Sanku has qualified for it, and hence been banned. In the future, hopefully better sense will prevail overall.

It's Not Obama's World
( Is Big O or Turning Big 0)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-w ... 29050.html
The world seems to be running away from the president.


H&D Hurting Now. Swimming pool gandha karne ko buss ek hi Poake kaffi hai) BIg O showed his color in the beginning by sidelininning India in Afgnaistan , Now enjoy the company of Poakiedot Pigs.

^^^ Is this relevant to this thread? Shouldnt it be in the Indi-US news thread?

Thanks, ramana