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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2012 12:27 
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The more and more it looks like unkil and aunty along with their western allies
have a long term plan to change the entire middle-east into something like the
east-asia (a collection of democratic, rich, educated, businessminded, yet western
client states like Thailand, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Korea, etc. This was
necessaciated by the event of 9-11.

To do this, the process started with Iraq. Then the Arab spring - getting rid-off
friendly dictators in a peaceful way so that ground is not ceded to fundamentalists.
Though islamic brotherhood is in forefront now...this is just a passing phase, and
eventually democratic secularists will be helped to gain the upperhand.......Libyan intervention was needed to make sure that cheap oil flows uninterrupted........this
oil is needed to take the next step - that is, to counter the iranian oil disruption......
so now Syria and iran on the chopping block.......

though the sheikhs in saudi Arabia and Kuwait are now sitting tight and sipping
whisky cozily with unkil and aunty, do that know that they are the last pieces of
this regime-change domino effect?............Once Syria and Iran are done for, then the'begining of the end' will start with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other GCC members.

After watching Tom Donilon of Charlie Rose show this appears to be the game-plan.


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They are monitoring the social change in the youth bulge in the middle east for the last 30 years. The oil money flow started in 1965 and an entire generation of youth grew up on this ol money.
They are hoping this group will want 'freedom' and 'liberty' and the small success was the arab spring.


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Why aren't Iran and Syria donating a few million $$ to Occupy Wall Street movement?
After all, it's a democratic exercise by the commoners, for the commoners, of the commoners. This will keep unkil and aunty busy for a while.
....Just some thoughts.....


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that will immediately discredit the movement. either way, don't think Iranians can pull wool over unkil's eyes so easily.


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^^^^^
Such things are not done so openly with some iranian ayatollah handing over a
cheque to occupy Wall Street hippies in front of flashing cameras.........
There are enough wealthy sympathizers to write fat cheques.......the whole
idea is to keep the pot boiling........

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by the way,...heard a rumor that the "downed drone" on the iranian soil actually may
have listening bugs in it....


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Af_2qDa ... re=related
kurdistan Independence is the 1st step for a stable Iraq
New Kurdistan Map
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9yUAxKR ... re=related

For Kurd oil and gas to flow toward India/Asia, Syria has to be reorganized. A Pipe line all the way to israel provide great outlet .


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by the way,...heard a rumor that the "downed drone" on the iranian soil actually may
have listening bugs in it....


Hmmm ...
No wonder Porkis put Amrikis along with Army and Allah.
They do everything for a purpose.

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As long as we awe at amriki nonsense, we fear their whores.


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Kati wrote:
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by the way,...heard a rumor that the "downed drone" on the iranian soil actually may
have listening bugs in it....


all those bugs will not be of much use, they need power to operate. To move it to a half decent location will itself take around 1 week, meaning the battery is drained. and once anyone starts putting a screw driver any half decent technician will remove the batteries. And if they move it to a "radio room" to seriously test, All the quackery in the world will not help it - seems like the Unkil is also starting to use djinn technology

All the "sooper-dooper" bugs which they added will be a study material to the Iranians nothing more :rotfl:


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India bought more phalcons and heron's recently and another missile.

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http://debka.com/article/21693/

Debka confirms that an attempted coup was thwarted by Assad.

But importantly it says Assad has regained power in the country and pushed the rebels hard.


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UNSC just met on Syria. China abstained and left it up to the Arab league. India slammed everyone including uk/us/ Arab league. Then votes in favour of the resolution. So everyone is confused at India.


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India slammed everyone including uk/us/ Arab league. Then votes in favour of the resolution. So everyone is confused at India.

:rotfl:

It basically says we have no bone to pick on this issue and will go with "the flow". It is so as to make sure that nobody gains a "moral standing" on the issue.


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UNSC just met on Syria. China abstained and left it up to the Arab league. India slammed everyone including uk/us/ Arab league. Then votes in favour of the resolution. So everyone is confused at India.

Yeah! Well Syria is not really Iran! So our stakes are much lower there! We would probably follow the West and GCC on this, as it means a lot for them. All this support on Syria may give India more leeway on Iran. But then that is all speculation!


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India did the right thing!! :wink:


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Crude Awakening: In Iraq's turbulent politics, whoever controls the oil production wields the power. And that might soon be ExxonMobil.

What we saw, but failed to understand, about the Iraqi insurgency in 2003-2005


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Acharya wrote:
They are monitoring the social change in the youth bulge in the middle east for the last 30 years. The oil money flow started in 1965 and an entire generation of youth grew up on this ol money.
They are hoping this group will want 'freedom' and 'liberty' and the small success was the arab spring.


One must balance this 'youth bulge' problem with other aspects. First, there is a huge male female gap in this youth bulge, males being significantly higher. Which means future competition for jobs and marriage would be painful. This may also lead to a renewed interest Islamism in the young men. That would neutralize any impact of 'Islam-fatigue'. Also, young men are dying at a very high rate in Arab countries (mainly vehicle related accidents). This has created a huge social disturbance, so much so that UAE has a permanent department under a ministry to study this problem and make recommendations (not sure about other countries). What impact this will have is anybody's guess.


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UNSC just met on Syria. China abstained and left it up to the Arab league. India slammed everyone including uk/us/ Arab league. Then votes in favour of the resolution. So everyone is confused at India.


Even Indians must be confused at India :lol:


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UNSC just met on Syria. China abstained and left it up to the Arab league. India slammed everyone including uk/us/ Arab league. Then votes in favour of the resolution. So everyone is confused at India.


I don't think that the vote has occurred as yet?


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Not yet, but they have agreed on positions apparently. Still work in progress.

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FYI, the GCC AF's - particularly Kuwait, KSA, Oman and Qatar are watching the MRCA closely per a Kuwaiti AF pilot. Now there is a renewed attempt by France to sell to Qatar and Oman just this week.


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China to support Russian draft resolution on Syria
http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c32/331145.html

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China will support Russia’s draft resolution on Syria, Permanent Representative of China to the United Nations Li Baodong said at a session of the U.N. Security Council on Syria on Tuesday.

According to Li Baodong, China intends to take an active and constructive part in consultations and make efforts together with other parties towards the settlement of the situation in Syria through a political dialogue.

The Xinhua news agency on Wednesday quoted him as saying China is categorically against the use of force to change the regime in Syria as this violates “the purposes and principles of the U.N. Charter and the basic norms governing the international relations”.

The Chinese ambassador also backed Russia’s offer to the Syrian authorities and all opposition groups to send their representatives to Moscow for consultations without any preconditions.


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^^^^^
A deft move by Russia...
to take the waid away from unkil-aunty's side...


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Meanwhile, what a sad waste of life...
Egypt football violence leaves many dead in Port Said
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At least 74 people have been killed in clashes between rival fans following a football match in the Egyptian city of Port Said.

Scores were injured as fans - reportedly armed with knives - invaded the pitch after a match between top-tier clubs al-Masry and al-Ahly.

Officials fear the death toll could rise further.

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Some of the dead were security officers...

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Egyptian fans are notoriously violent, says our correspondent, particularly supporters of al-Ahly known as the Ultras.

They have been heavily implicated in confronting the police during recent political protests, our correspondent adds. There is speculation that the security forces may have had an interest in taking on al-Ahly supporters.

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"This is not football. This is a war and people are dying in front of us," al-Ahly player Mohamed Abo Treika said.

Hani Seddik, who played for al-Ahly as a teenager, told the BBC: "I don't think this is about football. These trouble-makers were not football fans."


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Will the Saudis follow through and intervene in favor of Iraq's Sunnis?


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That will be suicidal for that would precipitate a Shia Sunni fight in Middle East and all their oil is in Shia areas of KSA.

Vinsha kale vipariti buddhi!


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Iran Can Produce Four Atom Bombs – Israeli Intelligence

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Iran has four tons of 20 percent enriched uranium, enough to make four crude nuclear bombs in a year, Israeli Military Intelligence head, Maj.Gen. Aviv Kochavi said on Thursday.

"Iran is vigorously pursing military nuclear capabilities and today the intelligence community agrees with Israel on that," he said. "Iran has over four tons of enriched materials and nearly 100 kilograms of 20-percent enriched uranium – that's enough for four bombs. It [nuclear bomb] will be done… within one year,” he added.

Speaking at the Herzliya Conference in Tel Aviv, Kochavi also said that while Iran states its nuclear program is peaceful, Israel has “conclusive evidence that they are after nuclear weapons."

Kochavi said the Iranian nuclear program, which has begun enriching uranium to 20 percent from which it can be further enriched into fissile warhead material, stems from several motives, including regional hegemony and deterrence.


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AK Antony will be in KSA on Feb 13th. Rescheduling the previous visit where he felt ill. Taliban talks will be on agenda looks like.

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I said earlier that All are watching Indias MRCA contract. The first reaction from UAE is said to be: How did Dassault work with India on this deal?

So, looks like they don't understand the strategic gains India has got as a result of negotiations.


French Rafale UAE deal back on-report
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Thu Feb 2, 2012 1:09pm EST
* La Tribune says Sarkozy could seal $10 bln deal by April

* Win in the UAE could pave way for Qatar, Kuwait

Feb 2 (Reuters) - France could seal a long-awaited deal for Dassault to sell at least 60 Rafale fighter jets to the United Arab Emirates by April, turning around what appeared to have been a lost cause, French newspaper La Tribune reported on Thursday.

The French-built jet emerged on Tuesday as preferred bidder in a $15 billion contest to supply India with 126 warplanes, lifting hopes for a sale that would boost French national pride and restore the lustre of its aviation sector.

Citing unidentified sources, the paper said on its website that President Nicolas Sarkozy would go to the UAE in March or early April when the contract is likely to be finalised.

The deal, potentially worth $10 billion has been in the works since 2008, but was thrown into doubt in November when the world's fourth-largest oil exporter said the proposed terms were "uncompetitive and unworkable." It asked for details of a rival aircraft, the Typhoon built by the Eurofighter consortium.

"Everything has been unlocked (between the UAE and Dassault)," an unidentified source told La Tribune.

A French government source told Reuters that Paris was waiting to hear from the Emirates this month. Dassault and the Defence Ministry declined to comment.

Sarkozy scored a commercial coup with the announcement this week that years of lobbying had pushed India close to buying the Rafale and will look to make political gains ahead of April's presidential election in which he is lagging in the polls behind Socialist rival Francois Hollande.

The UAE has pressed for the aircraft's engines to be upgraded with extra thrust and for better radar, industry sources have said.

La Tribune said there were a few technical details still to be ironed out, but that they were easy to resolve. It added that as part of the deal Paris would take back the Emirates' existing Dassault-made Mirage fighters.

Speaking after the India announcement, French Defence Minister Gerard Longuet hinted there could be more deals ahead.

"Good news are like worries, they fly in squadrons," he said. "That (deal) is the start of a squadron of good news."

A French win in the UAE could also lead to further contracts in the Gulf Arab region which shares the West's concerns that Iran is using its nuclear energy programme to develop weapons, a charge Tehran has denied. Saudi Arabia inked a deal for U.S. arms worth nearly $60 billion a year ago.

Qatar, a close French ally, said last year it wanted to replace its fleet of Mirage fighter jets during 2012 possibly buying 24 to 36 units. Kuwait in 2010 said it was also considering buying Rafales to replace its ageing Mirage fleet.

According to analysts the Gulf countries are looking to have the same aircraft for inter-operability reasons as well as differentiating themselves from Gulf power house Saudi Arabia, which uses U.S. Boeing-built F-15s.

"My wish is that the UAE makes a decision that allows two neighbours that want inter-operability with it to make decisions," Longuet said in January when asked about potential contracts in Qatar and Kuwait.

"If they get the feeling no decision is taken they will look elsewhere. For now they are interested, but they will only really be if the first one takes a leap."


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UAE and Qatar have stopped all trade finance to Iran as of today. The position is that the GCC have to stand firm against Iran to preserve the "future generations of the GCC".

EU approves Oil embargo on Iran.


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UN agrees Syria draft

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After four hours of closed-door discussions members of the UN Security Council have finally agreed the text of the draft resolution on Syria. Russia’s UN envoy Vitaly Churkin said the document will now be sent to the capitals of the participating countries, adding that a final decision was yet to be reached.

The updated version of the Morocco-drafted UN resolution on Syria takes into consideration Russia’s and China’s positions on the issue.

Moscow and Beijing were against the demand contained in the original blueprint, calling for the resignation of Syrian President Bashar Assad.


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Israel May Attack Iran over Next 4 Months – U.S. media

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There is a growing possibility that Israel may attack Iranian nuclear facilities over the next few months, U.S. media reported.

A Washington Post columnist, David Ignatius, reported on Thursday that the U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta “believes there is a strong likelihood that Israel will strike Iran in April, May or June,” before Iran acquires the capability to produce a fully-fledged nuclear bomb.

"The Israelis fear that Iran will have stored enough enriched uranium in deep underground facilities to make a weapon very soon and only the United States could then stop them militarily," Ignatius wrote.

CNN confirmed the Washington Post journalist’s report citing an unknown senior U.S. administration official.

Ignatius wrote that one of the signals of the upcoming military operation against Iran was a statement by the Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak last month who said that the United States and Israel should postpone a military exercise that would have taken place in May.

Panetta and the Pentagon refused to comment on the Washington Post report, Reuters said.

Israel views Iran's uranium enrichment activity as a major threat to its security regardless of the fact that the Islamic republic denied that its nuclear program is not for military use, it claims it needs nuclear power to supply a growing demand for electricity.

Israeli Military Intelligence Head, Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi said on Thursday that Iran had over four tons of enriched materials and nearly 100 kilograms of 20-percent enriched uranium, which is enough for producing four nuclear bombs.


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Discussing the future of Syria, Nikolas K. Gvosdev writes:
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...the reality of what has happened to other multiethnic societies when authoritarian regimes have collapsed does not provide a comforting track record.

http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/arti ... r-in-syria

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Sultan Qaboos's first interview with a US journalist in many years:

The view from the Gulf: America's quiet go-between speaks

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Oman's ruler, Sultan Qaboos bin Said, a longtime, discreet intermediary with Iran, says that Iran is seriously seeking a way out of American-led sanctions over its nuclear program and urges the United States to re-engage the regime on a variety of issues, not just its nuclear program.

"No one in the world can live on his own in today's world," the sultan said, referring to Iran.

"They don't want to bring upon themselves more trouble. They know they are mistrusted and must convince the world of their peaceful intentions."

Specifically, the sultan added, Iran understands that this means working more closely with the International Atomic Energy Agency to increase international nuclear inspections of its nuclear program and returning to talks with the U.S. and key Security Council members, Britain, France, Russia, China, as well as Germany, known as the P-5 plus 1. Last Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad proposed such talks.

The sultan urged President Obama to take Iran up on its offer. "The United States and Iran should sit together and talk," he said
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Sultan Qaboos' conviction that Iran's alleged pursuit of nuclear weapons can and must be resolved peacefully was among several notes of optimism he struck during a rare, four-hour interview -- the first in-depth interview he has given an American reporter since 1997. The meeting took place last week at Hisn Al Shomoukh palace, about 90 miles from Muscat, the capital.

He disclosed that Oman, at America's "hint" for assistance, had recently conveyed to the highest levels of the Iranian government a warning about the adverse potential consequences of closing the Strait of Hormuz. How precisely that message was conveyed -- "we have our ways and means," he said -- he would not disclose. But he added that he believes the message was clearly received.

"No one will block the Strait of Hormuz," Qaboos asserted.

Iran, he added, may also be preparing to adopt unspecified reforms.

The sultan shared his views before Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said that Iran could acquire a nuclear bomb within a year. But Sultan Qaboos disputed the notion that this was Tehran's intent.

"They now want to persuade the rest of the world that while they are seeking a nuclear capability -- like Japan -- they are not seeking weapons per se," he said. He claims to believe them.

Asked why the West should try again to negotiate with Iran, since Tehran had reneged on an earlier agreement to reduce stocks of low enriched uranium which, if further enriched, could provide fuel for a nuclear bomb, he said that Iran's economic challenges had now grown more severe as a result of economic sanctions.

But Washington remains skeptical, noting that Tehran has not yet responded to the European Union's demand for a specific proposal from Iran indicating that its desire to talk is more than merely a time-buying tactic.

Asked about reports that Israel was allegedly weighing a military strike to degrade and delay Iran's nuclear program, Qaboos replied that while he understood that "Israel must be looking at all the options and keeping all of them open," he hoped that the situation would not "deteriorate to the point that Israel feels compelled to take drastic measures."

"Inshallah it will not happen," the sultan stressed. But were Israel to strike, "God forbid," he added, all parties would have to "do what you can to avoid an escalation."

"Peaceful solutions are always preferred," he said.

For Israel, especially, the sultan said, there was no viable alternative to resuming serious talks with the Palestinians. "These two peoples must find a way to live together," he said.

The sultan expressed optimism about Yemen, a country that has been in constant turmoil since the outbreak of the Arab spring last year. He said he believed that Yemen would stabilize now that Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh, who came first to Muscat before traveling to the U.S. for medical treatment last Saturday, had agreed to leave Yemen, at least temporarily. "He realized that he should be part of the solution, not the problem," Qaboos said during the interview in English, which he speaks fluently and with a slight British accent.

The Sultan, who celebrated his 40th year in power last November, seemed far less optimistic about developments in Syria, Egypt, and prospects for a resumption of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.

With respect to Egypt, which just marked the one-year anniversary of the uprising that prompted President Hosni Mubarak's ouster, Qaboos said that he felt personally sorry for the Egyptian president, who is ailing and on trial for capital crimes, because "it didn't have to end this way."

"Maybe there were other alternatives, such as reform," he said. But Qaboos added that he wanted to hear from Mubarak's defenders. "A proper trial should be conducted and the truth should come out." The sultan also indirectly cautioned both Egypt's armed forces and militant Islamists from clinging to, or trying to usurp power. "No one party or religious group should impose its will," he said. "They all need to work together."

As for Syria, while refraining from criticizing President Bashar Assad by name, he urged Damascus to accept the Arab League's initiative asking Assad to step aside so that a political transition can begin. The Syrian government has rejected the Arab group's resolution. But Sultan Qaboos urged persistence and patience. It had taken time to convince President Saleh of Yemen that Oman's advice to leave was sound. Because Saleh was granted immunity from political charges, the sultan said, the Yemeni president felt that he could eventually return to Yemen to compete for power democratically. The Arab League resolution, as written, would enable Assad, who heads his own party, to "remain as leader of that and compete in a democratic system."

Oman has repeatedly used what the sultan called his country's "good ties" to Iran and his other neighbors to free hostages and help defuse potential politically explosive situations. A diplomatic cable disclosed by WikiLeaks says that Oman helped free British sailors captured by Iran's navy in 2007.

According to the state-run Omani news agency, Oman also helped free three French aid workers being held hostage by Al Qaeda militants in Yemen by paying a sum which officials here declined to disclose but that diplomats estimate at several million dollars.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has traveled here twice, once to thank Sultan Qaboos for his role in freeing American hikers being held by Tehran. Oman reportedly paid some $1.5 million to Iran and sent a plane to transport the hiker hostages out of the country.

To demonstrate his support for a "friend" in trouble, the sultan said he traveled to Iran for the first time ever during the Green uprising in 2009. But another Wikileaks cable, dated 2010, put such gestures in a more pragmatic light. "Oman views Iran as the strategic threat to the region but has chosen to manage the threat by fostering strong working relations with Tehran," the cable asserts.

Clinton has come here to Muscat twice to meet with the sultan, whom she has lavishly praised on several occasions.

The respect is clearly mutual. The sultan called Clinton "a lady I admire." He said he had not met President Obama, but had talked to him by phone several times. "He is a capable man," the sultan said, with somewhat more measured enthusiasm.


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Russia and China have vetoed the resolution on Syria - http://rt.com/news/syria-resolution-vet ... china-515/


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^^^ It is probably good that India kept a low profile, and it is probably good that another Libya type situation is prevented, at least for now.

This might be an inflection point. Let's see.


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Russian veto is not surprising given the fact that Putin expressed dismay a few months back to his confidants how Russia blundered by voting with the other three in UN against the Lybian's regime, and how NATO used that vote as an excuse for regime change. Putin vowed at that time to take lessons, and never again barter away russian interests. So, no matter how much the other three dilute the resolutions against Syria, UNSC route to approve it will be blocked. The other three can pull Sonia G's string to get indian approval, but not Russia's. Russia will harden its stand for quite some time.


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Its good to see China come in open and oppose the resolution without fear or favour ..... it is not easy when there is no much opposition from Western nation and Arab league for a unconstitutional regime change to stand up and speak.

Kudos to Russia and China for sticking to their grounds and taking every thing to their stride.


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PostPosted: 05 Feb 2012 20:04 
I understand the water-downed resolution suits india as we dont any sort of regime change/Sanctions etc being discussed in the UN due to Kashmir etc. I understand we have commercial links with the country. However traditionally any idea what has been India's relation vis a vis the Syrian regime or to put it in a better way what has been the syrian regime's attitude towards India ?


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For Russia the veto is strategic - control of Europe. Asaad's operations seem to be an act of desperation - the more massacres he commits - it shows that it is a sign of weakness.

Asaad will be getting his flight to Turkey or GCC ready soon.

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Re Iran

The Israeli's are hinting that their clock for a strike is running at a different speed to the US. US might want to do something pre-election. Both say it takes 6 months for full effect of sanctions to take its full effect. But the Israeli's say 6 months be too late. Source says 100% the Israeli's are good to go, now just a question of timing. He says hopefully the US will engineer a blackout (i.e. no yes or no answer - i.e wink to attack).

Israel says they are ready for Iranian reprisals - Barak thinks the Israeli dead won't even be more than 500.


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