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http://jaiarjun.blogspot.com/2012/02/ji ... tupid.html
Jis desh mein manga bikhti hai... stupid Japanese guy meets terrifying Indian city
Little wonder then that Yukichi Yamamatsu’s graphic novel Stupid Guy Goes to India – an account of his India stay in 2004-05 – contains such observations as “It’s like the ground was entirely made of cow turds” and “People were eating something that looked like potato, out of something that looked like tree bark...with their hands!” Little wonder too that parts of this book feel like a horror story about an innocent abandoned in a crepuscular forest, even though most of it is set in Old Delhi in broad sunlight (and the people around aren't monsters but speak a strange language presented as geometric symbols in speech balloons).

In fairness, Yamamatsu makes not the slightest pretence of being worldly wise. Uninformed and provincial, he is devastated to discover that homegrown Indian comics exist (he was expecting to single-handedly introduce a new art form to the country!) and this shock is conveyed in one of the book’s more amusing panels, where Yukichi’s head appears to be sliced by a samurai sword. He gets fleeced, goes around in circles and flies into existential rage when he learns the cost of printing a comic - he had figured it would be no more than 20 or 30 Yen, things being famously cheap in India. The more I read, the more I felt that the “stupid guy” in the title wasn’t just a sweet exercise in self-deprecation.
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Prabhu Chawla, warts and all, writes mighty forcefully on a mater of national import. Recommended read in full.

NGO mischief goes beyond N-plants

Excerpts...
Over a dozen crucial infrastructure, power and mining projects worth Rs 30,000 crore are stuck because of the silly objections and roadblocks raised by various NGOs in many part of the country. All of them are working in the areas of environment, health and children welfare. They have also been receiving money from abroad and are misusing these funds for the purpose of blocking developmental activities. A large of number of them have also been accused of settling scores against those who opposed the UPA government. Some other NGOs have been charged with or have been accused of forcible religious conversions in some communally sensitive states. Truthfully speaking, NGOs have become the most powerful pressure groups for settling intra-sector or intra-party disputes. In fact, the growth of the NGO is never affected by the economic fluctuations of an economy. On the contrary, it thrives on natural calamities, economic deprivation and human conflicts.
While the number of NGOs has risen by over 100 per cent over the past decade, their funds have grown by almost 500 per cent. According to unofficial estimates, there are over 2.5 million NGOs operating in India, who directly or indirectly employ around 20 million people. In other words, there is one NGO for every 500 people in India, as against one doctor for 1,000 persons. These NGOs raise amounts varying between Rs 80 crore to Rs 40,000 crore annually. Over 21,000 NGOs collectively received foreign contributions to the tune of over Rs 49,968 crore during 2005-06 to 2009-10.
The dominance of the NGO sector is the outcome of a liberal democratic set-up. Big corporate houses, retired civil servants or their wives and left-of-the-centre intellectuals have set up most of these organisations. Rebels by nature and opulent by lifestyle, a large majority of them have always been working against liberal economic policies and nationalist culture. They have, knowingly or unknowingly, been used by the ruling party to target its opponents in every state.
Read it all, only.
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Latest frontline magazine seems to be a commissar's report from FSU. Completely anti-Hindu and completely anti sangh-parivar. Whoever the Hindu group is becoming slowly nationalistic once again need to re-think.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lund ... 99460.html
Indian Politicians Love Their Poetry :roll:
Kapil Sibal, a senior leader in India's congress, will release his second book of poems, My World Within, later this week. It's the latest of many books of poetry penned by India's politicians in recent years, where the practice has come to seem almost a requirement for public office. A growing number of political party leaders, members of congress, and even prime ministers are now speaking to the people off prompter and in verse.
What will Sibal's inner world be like? Well, we know he isn't tied too tightly to any of India's poetic traditions: he wrote the book exclusively on his cell phone. The Times of India published a few excerpts, and Sibal clearly tends toward love poetry, with titles that seem ripped from the $1.99 romance spinny-bookrack at Walmart. Unfortunately for Sibal, the poems do too. Here's an excerpt from "Parched Terrain":
Your lips are parched
The summer dry
Each moment seems
Like years gone by
If the lines seem strangely short, remember the cell phone. Here's another of Sibal's -- this one entitled, "Eternal Love":
The waterfall
Was now close by
Above my head
The azure sky
Never wanted
To say goodbye
Neither did I, Kapil. Neither did I. But before we get too attached to Sibal's romantic side, know that he expects his next book to be more serious. He plans to write poems that investigate "the judicial response" to the 2002 Gujarat riots, which resulted in thousands of deaths and displaced people. So... we can all look forward to that.But some of India's other poet politicians show more promise. Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee could be West Bengal's answer to Percy Bysshe Shelley, trying to use verse to spark a revolutionary fervor. One of her published poems reads,
Your hard toil will show the light to the nation
with the new song of your heart
light the lamp of the green revolution.
Feroze Varun Gandhi, a Member of Parliament for the country's Bharatiya Janata Party, is erudite and introspective, and his last book of poetry, The Otherness of Self, was a bestseller. Here's an excerpt from his intriguing poem "Death," in which he turns death into some sort of reverse moon birth.
Die I must
But not alone
For the moon will
Steal me into her marble eyes
And through her umbilical cord
I will learn things they made me forget.Other Indian poet politicians include former prime ministers Atal Bihari Vajpayee and V.P. Singh. Singh wrote this intimate and moving poem (which was printed on the website Asian Window) while dying of cancer on his hospital bed:
Every time I wake up
It is night.
The world is just beyond
My hospital window
My only company
A distant window light.
That goes off.
First details go
Then colour
Finally even form
All that is left is a blank
In the fog of age.
With only my echo to tell me
How far away I am.All have fallen asleep
None to tell me
'Go to sleep.'
Politician or not, Singh's is a good poem with a beautiful ending. And while the results may be mixed, the prevalence of poetry in Indian culture, even in politics of all places, is impressive. Now if we could just get Joe Biden to pick up the cell phone and start versifying. What rhymes with Amtrak?
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Yogi_G wrote:Latest frontline magazine seems to be a commissar's report from FSU. Completely anti-Hindu and completely anti sangh-parivar. Whoever the Hindu group is becoming slowly nationalistic once again need to re-think.
Hindu Group succession was managed by N Ram to appoint Siddarth Vardarajan and Co- ideologists. The family, main shareholders were kicked out. Too many people have too much to lose if the media starts reporting truths.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Prabhu Chawla, warts and all, writes mighty forcefully on a mater of national import. Recommended read in full.

NGO mischief goes beyond N-plants

The dominance of the NGO sector is the outcome of a liberal democratic set-up. Big corporate houses, retired civil servants or their wives and left-of-the-centre intellectuals have set up most of these organisations. Rebels by nature and opulent by lifestyle, a large majority of them have always been working against liberal economic policies and nationalist culture. They have, knowingly or unknowingly, been used by the ruling party to target its opponents in every state.
Read it all, only.
Love the highlighted part, for personal wealth sell your nation.
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meanwhile, some sarcasm from HaindavaKeralam:

http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.a ... 442&SKIN=C

Italian Killers and their Cardinal
The trigger-happy sailors from Italy could not have come to Indian shores at better times. While they were practicing target shooting at the hapless Indian fishermen, the man who converted them all to follow the same God (or his son) as the Italians was getting crowned by the very same Italians for the bounty he had harvested for them. Do these poor fishermen still remember the promises made by these Bishops and Cardinals when they were getting converted? It was free entry into a heaven full of White ladies and gentlemen, with equality, fraternity and liberty.

Whatever be the end result of present diplomatic manipulations, the Italians who murdered these poor fishermen in cold blood will never get punished. Everything will die down soon even if the police succeed in filing an FIR. The Italian heroes will be VIP treated in our jail for a few days and they will come out in bail and disappear forever. It would be a good exercise for all the converted Indian fishermen to imagine a situation where Indians shot at Italian fishermen in their seas.

The converted Indians must also accord a warm welcome to the Cardinal when he lands in Indian shores with an Italian crown on his head. After all he did a lot for the ‘welfare’ of these living targets. But for him the Italians would not have strayed into Indian waters to practice target shooting on living Indians. After all many British viceroys used to practice shooting on tigers and elephants. If British can do it with Indian animals, why not Italians with Indian humans? After all, all those converted are subjects of their empire.
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Supreme Court directs Centre to implement river interlinking

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... epage=true
The Supreme Court on Monday directed the Centre to implement the ambitious interlinking of rivers project in a time-bound manner and appointed a high-powered committee for its planning and implementation.

Observing that the project has already been delayed resulting in an increase in its cost, a three-judge bench headed by Chief Justice S H Kapadia said the Centre and the concerned State governments should participate for its “effective” implementation “in a time-bound manner”.
The bench, also comprising justices Swatanter Kumar and A K Patnaik, appointed a high-powered committee comprising of representatives of various government departments, Ministries, experts and social activists to chart out and execute the project. The committee will be comprising of Union Minister of Water Resources, its secretary, Secretary of Ministry of Environment and Forest (MoEF) and four expert members appointed by Water Resources Ministry, Finance Ministry, Planning Commission and MoEF. Representatives from State governments, two social activists and senior advocate Ranjit Kumar, who has been assisting the court in the case, will also be members of the committee.

“We direct the Union of India to forthwith constitute a committee for interlinking of rivers,” the bench said, adding “we direct the committee to implement the project”.

“The committee shall plan for implementation of the project,” the bench said, adding the delay has already resulted in an increase in the cost of the project.

The river interlinking project was the brainchild of the NDA government and in October, 2002, the then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee had formed a task force to get the project going against the backdrop of the acute drought that year.

A Centre-appointed task force had in a report recommended division of the project into two- the Peninsular component and the Himalayan component.

The Peninsular component- involving the rivers in southern India- envisaged developing a ‘Southern Water Grid’ with 16 linkages. This component included diversion of the surplus waters of the Mahanadi and Godavari to the Pennar, Krishna, Vaigai and Cauvery.

The task force had also mooted the diversion of the west-flowing rivers of Kerala and Karnataka to the east, the interlinking of small rivers that flow along the west coast, south of Tapi and north of Mumbai and interlinking of the southern tributaries of the river Yamuna.

The Himalayan component envisaged building storage reservoirs on the Ganga and the Brahmaputra and their main tributaries both in India and Nepal in order to conserve the waters during the monsoon for irrigation and generation of hydro-power, besides checking floods.

The task force had identified 14 links including Kosi-Ghagra, Kosi-Mech, Ghagra-Yamuna, Gandak-Ganga, Yamuna-Rajasthan, Rajasthan-Sabarmati, Sarda-Yamuna, Farakka-Sunderbans, Brahmaputra-Ganga, Subernarekha-Mahanadi, and Ganga-Damodar-Subernarekha.

The task force had also concluded that the linking of rivers in the country would raise the irrigation potential to 160 million hectares for all types of crops by 2050, compared to a maximum of about 140 million hectares that could be generated through conventional sources of irrigation.

The fate of the ambitious Rs 5,00,000 crore project proposing linkages between major rivers by the year 2016 has remained a virtual non-starter and the detailed project report (DPR) is in cold storage.
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From twitter

>>@RedCorridor
MP Takam Sanjoy accused the anti-dam agitators of getting funds from China to stop the infrastructure development in the North East
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nawabs wrote:Supreme Court directs Centre to implement river interlinking

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... epage=true
Per a tweet from Brahma Chellaney ‏ @Chellaney, it was ridiculed by Rahul Gandhi. The stark lack of intellect is mind boggling for its effects.
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In UP, SP tops list of candidates with criminal record


Please dont post blind links as acourtsey to others members.

Thanks, ramana
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From Twitter... and this is our own BRFite R Vaidya saar I presume...

>>RT @rvaidya2000: http://bit.ly/yFkriK Wikileaks files say that Shekar Gupta of Indian express was on pay role of US intel agency Stratfor
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Police in India are communalised: Prashant Bhushan

Again playing to the gallery, but one thing statements like this will make anti-Inc vote does not get split.
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Possible reason for all these sudden moves in and around desh?

Trying to get India to commit to Iran folly and Baloch resurgence.


India will be 3rd largest economy by 2030
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India sends top expert to fight coconut pest
The Government’s trip to India in January has begun to reap rewards for the agriculture sector in T&T. On Friday, Food Production Minister Vasant Bharath at a luncheon at Carlton Savannah in Port-of-Spain welcomed Dr Avvaru Sujatha, principal scientist and head of the Mango Research Unit from the Nuzvid Krishna district of India to the country.

For the next year, Sujatha will assist in the control of the Red Palm Mite pest affecting the dying coconut industry in T&T at no costs to the T&T Government. Highly recommended by the Indian Council for Agricultural Research, Sujatha who has spent 25 years of her life doing research on coconut pests was saluted by Indian High Commissioner Malay Mishra, the ministry’s permanent secretary Edwina Leacock and officials from agricultural agencies.

A blushing Sujatha promised not to let down the Government in combating the disease. “I do will do my best,” she assured. The disease, which invaded T&T in 2006, has had devastating effects, with miles of coconut estates in areas such as Cedros, Icacos and Manzanilla being wiped out in the last five years.

It is estimated that between 75 to 80 per cent of coconut estates in T&T were destroyed. Following the luncheon, Bharath told the Sunday Guardian that the Government has reaped some measure of success with its mission to India with Sujatha’s visit to T&T. “Her services, expertise and experience are all free to the Government.”

The ministry will provide housing accommodation for Sujatha, Bharath said. Bharath said he was told by disease control agencies across the world that it may take as much as three to four years to fight the Red Palm Mite. Sujatha, Bharath said, will undertake the task in one year.
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Will address rally via video if denied visa, says UK cleric

UP says no to action against Siddiqui
The decision comes a day before the sixth phase of polling in 13 districts that have a sizeable Muslim population. Siddiqui is BSP’s Muslim face.
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Cross posting from GDF

The battle against forgetting

Article written by NAC member Farah Naqvi daughter of Saeed Naqvi. NAC appointed to draft Indian laws by Sonia G really has a bunch of uber nationalists who reflect the INC's real ideology. Since Many millions vote for INC, I guess they vote and support for this ideology.

Can anyone explain INC strategy in hiring Harsh Mander, John Dayal, Saeed Naqvi, MS Aiyar and CO.

Related Article by her father

Caught in a pitying gaze
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Theo Fidel, See if this can be leveraged to provide expectant mothers with nutrition in the cities and rural areas to help with malnutrition and underweight babies. Should contact Pitroda and see what he can do.
chackojoseph wrote:BASIX 'Aahaar,' DRDO Dal Roti pack for Rs 35

:lol: We are the first to bring out the price, quantity and method information.
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Aditya_V wrote:
Yogi_G wrote:Latest frontline magazine seems to be a commissar's report from FSU. Completely anti-Hindu and completely anti sangh-parivar. Whoever the Hindu group is becoming slowly nationalistic once again need to re-think.
Hindu Group succession was managed by N Ram to appoint Siddarth Vardarajan and Co- ideologists. The family, main shareholders were kicked out. Too many people have too much to lose if the media starts reporting truths.

How was it managed? I mean there must be ownership issues involved.
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i Muaff karro, wrang thread me hoon!!
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It's very difficult to recall any incident where the Indian navy killed foreign fishermen. Arresting for poaching, yes, but not shooting. Indian fishermen for their part have not been aggressive and used violence. Sri Lanka seems to be pretty bad that way. Are they still spooked by the years of LTTE violence?
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Supratik wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:quote="Yogi_G"]Latest frontline magazine seems to be a commissar's report from FSU. Completely anti-Hindu and completely anti sangh-parivar. Whoever the Hindu group is becoming slowly nationalistic once again need to re-think./quote]

Hindu Group succession was managed by N Ram to appoint Siddarth Vardarajan and Co- ideologists. The family, main shareholders were kicked out. Too many people have too much to lose if the media starts reporting truths.

How was it managed? I mean there must be ownership issues involved.

There was a prolonged fight where the shareholder rights were completely ignored , with apparent cooperation of the Ministry of Corporate Affairs ensuring that the violation of Company Law were ignored until the family submitted. A simple search on Google Chacha will give you details of the fight.

If Company law was implemented then Mr. Ram could not have done the succession the way he wanted. These are kind of ways done to keep control on the Media
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SC slams RSS chief for Karkare comment
Taking strong exception to Bhagwat's remark, the apex court termed it as 'unnecessary'.
WTF! what is SC role here, Are Teesta Svetalnad, B Dutt, Digvijay Singh, S Ghosh, Kapil Sibal views all necessary?

Can we have a dictionary of what is necessary and what is unnecessary!

It seems the so called beholders of free speech in media are the most narrow minded Bigoted person's in India.

One carry argue that 99% of comments made are unnecessary.

Can someone tell what speech is necessarily or unnecessary, read the web a lot of INC supporters and Media seem to be rejoicing on this comment, can they please state what is necessary and what is unnecessary, then we can officially declare India as a dictatorship
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^^What was the case about? It refers to an NIA lawyer bringing it up. Another thing is, it does not matter "legally" what a SC judge says. What matters is the judgement he gives. 90% of the reactions in the media are on this discourse and not the judgement. It is our DDM, which is bigoted and biased and partisan. The SC in most cases is only doing their jobs. Yes, to the extent that this discourse becomes rationale for this judgment, it is relevant. It may well turn out that the remark of "not necessary" may be completely valid but DDM will never give us the satisfaction of publishing the full story. :(
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Sonia Gandhi Leaves India for Health Care
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/world ... ?ref=world
Sonia Gandhi, the leader of India’s governing Congress Party has left the country for a medical checkup, party officials said Tuesday, Hari Kumar writes in The New York Times.The sudden departure and the minimal information revived rumors that Mrs. Gandhi, 65, may have a serious health problem.The Congress Party’s general secretary, Janardan Dwivedi, described the latest checkup as “routine”and said that, “Mrs. Gandhi would return to India in four or five days.” Mr. Kumar writes
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Undeterred India for moving ahead with Iran
Country is pushing hard to put the missing rail links in place

Notwithstanding the U.S. pressure to scale down its engagement with Iran, official sources here said the country not only remains an important source of oil for India, but is crucial to opening up routes to Central Asian and Caucasian countries, where New Delhi's quest for hydrocarbons and minerals is gathering critical mass.

“We recognise that Iran is the key to connecting with Central Asia,” said the sources while referring to a major meeting last month on a proposed Russia-Iran-India promoted North-South corridor that would originate from Bandar Abbas leading to Russia and other countries via the Caspian Sea.

India has “taken the lead” and is “pushing hard” to put the missing rail links in place so that a seamless route from Bandar Abbas port to Russia and Central Asia opens up by next year by when the customs union of Russia-Kazakhstan-Byelorussia would have expanded to include other Eurasian countries.

Customs procedures

Besides the three original signatories, over 15 countries have joined the north-south project. In addition to putting in place missing railways links of about 200 km, all the sides will have to harmonise their customs procedures to make the endeavour workable. Currently Indian goods enter Russia through the Baltic ports of St. Petersburg and Kotka, the European port of Rotterdam and the Ukrainian ports of Illychevsk and Odessa.

Iran, said the sources, was also critical to stabilising Afghanistan as part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) grouping after the NATO forces scale down their operations in 2014. Nearly all the countries surrounding Afghanistan are either members or observers to the SCO and they said, “we take it [the SCO] as an important platform to discuss the post-2014 situation in Afghanistan.”

India is also closely following the development of another route into Central Asia via Iran and Afghanistan into Uzbekistan. Currently a portion of the route (part of the the Northern Distribution Network) — from Termez in Uzbekistan to Mazar-e-Sharif — is used by the NATO to transfer non-lethal supplies for its forces to Afghanistan.

Alternative route

A western spur from Mazar to Herat would go to Delaram, follow an India-built road till the Iran border and, if the missing rail link is constructed, will connect to the Iranian port of Chabar. India is also interested in another alternative route that would go from Mazar to Iran's Sangan and Kerman cities and ending at Bandar Abbas port.

Both these routes bypass Pakistan and the insurgency-hit southern Afghanistan, while giving it access to Central Asia. In both cases as well as the North-South route, India will have to ship its goods to the Iranian ports and then transport them by land into Afghanistan and Central Asian countries in the north and the east.

However, the sources admitted that the intense U.S. pressure has put the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline on the back burner for the moment. While not involving Iran, a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan's South Yolotan gas pipeline to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India is making rapid progress. But Iran remains central in plans to source gas and oil from Central Asia, where political goodwill for India has resulted in allocation of the Satpayev oil block in Kazakhstan despite intense interest shown by China. India is also discussing the sourcing of gas from Uzbekistan's Karakalpakstan region with talks having gathered pace during its President Islam Karimov's visit last year.
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In case people don't know how our Policies and Govt. is heavily endorsed by Outsiders, especially be NAC, read this.

Right now, it would be fair to say India is facing Quazi Imperialism, with decesion made in power levers outside India.


UPA, civil society bonhomie over?

Small or hinterland groups that may have protested against land acquisition and other problems have always been more bluntly treated with direct police action or labels of 'Marxist leanings' at the state level. It's the well organized groups that have a reach through national news media that have always hurt the government - regardless of the political party in power. The trouble for the government is that field-level protests no more remain isolated and often find networks spread nationally or internationally to support them.
Aruna Roy, a member of the NAC and a prominent voice within civil society that does both - fight the state on the street and join the establishment to push her agenda from withinAll power, no responsibility and blokes like me get blamed for evils -- said, "The message being sent is that dissent will be penalized. I am very shocked and worried that expectations of liberal understanding of democracy and dissent have waned."
The outsourcing of the last mile of development services of the government had begun long ago. In fact, Digvijay Singh was credited for doing so at the state level with professional zeal. Today, there continue to be dozens of foreign-funded civil society groups that work with state governments as well as the Centre in shaping policy, conducting pilot work or delivering the goods under the policy.
Considering that some multinational corporates are still spending money through PR agencies promoting 'scientists' that criticize government for banning select GM crops, the move has upgraded 'unacceptable dissent' to a new level.
oy said the protests or plurality of opinion was important. Citing the Fukushima disaster, she said, "Look at Japan... it is ethically run and look at what happened there. In India, we have an additional burden of unethical practices and these fears are grounded in reality."
Which Japanese, Chinese, American, British or French have taken foreign funds to ask their country to roll back Nuclear weapons programmed to the detriment of their citizens.

These unelected Charlatans in the NAC needs to fully probed for all their connections.
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Aditya_V wrote:
oy said the protests or plurality of opinion was important. Citing the Fukushima disaster, she said, "Look at Japan... it is ethically run and look at what happened there.
Japan ethically run? Especially in the Nuclear sector? Nice one. :lol:
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Thats a person while being part of NAC and part of Govt. decisions blaming all and sundry for problems created by it.
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From the book 'Hindi Upanyaas ka Itihaas' (History of Hindi novels) written by Gopal Rai

In the book 'Bhagyavati' the author Shraddharam Fillori writes that during the Islamic rule, the rulers used to kidnap unmarried girls. Since kidnapping married girls was not allowed in Islam, the parents used to marry their children at a young age. The author then asks people to discontinue child marriage since the Islamic rule has ended. (The book was published in late 19th century).

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Question: Is this true?
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abhishek_sharma wrote:From the book 'Hindi Upanyaas ka Itihaas' (History of Hindi novels) written by Gopal Rai

In the book 'Bhagyavati' the author Shraddharam Fillori writes that during the Islamic rule, the rulers used to kidnap unmarried girls. Since kidnapping married girls was not allowed in Islam, the parents used to marry their children at a young age. The author then asks people to discontinue child marriage since the Islamic rule has ended. (The book was published in late 19th century).

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Question: Is this true?
Yes I think so. I have not read that book. I have heard this thing from my grandmother(my mother's aunt). It seems Islamists did not take away married girls. It seems to happen in areas where there muslim admin during British rule. So the tradition of marrying a woman early and also it seems if a baby girl was born, they would tie a mangalasutra to the cradle. Ofcourse these were all by word of mouth from grandma who had probably seen or heard it from her mother. They all were brought up in Nizam's ruled areas. They were all married young.
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rkirankr wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:From the book 'Hindi Upanyaas ka Itihaas' (History of Hindi novels) written by Gopal Rai

In the book 'Bhagyavati' the author Shraddharam Fillori writes that during the Islamic rule, the rulers used to kidnap unmarried girls. Since kidnapping married girls was not allowed in Islam, the parents used to marry their children at a young age. The author then asks people to discontinue child marriage since the Islamic rule has ended. (The book was published in late 19th century).

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Question: Is this true?
Yes I think so. I have not read that book. I have heard this thing from my grandmother(my mother's aunt). It seems Islamists did not take away married girls. It seems to happen in areas where there muslim admin during British rule. So the tradition of marrying a woman early and also it seems if a baby girl was born, they would tie a mangalasutra to the cradle. Ofcourse these were all by word of mouth from grandma who had probably seen or heard it from her mother. They all were brought up in Nizam's ruled areas. They were all married young.
I think the tradition of ‘laaj’ or ‘’ghumto’ (covering face/veil) in states like Gujarat and Rajasthan must have arisen due to Islamists casting their evil eyes on Hindu girls/women. There are many historical examples of Islamists kidnapping Hindu women and making them their concubines. Shahjahan had more than 5000 concubines.

I don’t think women covered their faces prior to Islamic invasion. In Gujarat, this tradition of ‘laaj’ got so worse that women started to cover their face within their own homes. As late as 1960s many women would even cover their face whilst talking to their husband in the presence of other relatives. This behaviour was labelled as ‘showing maryada (respect)’ to their husbands!

Child marriage was one form of protecting Hindu girls. I think ‘Sati pratha’ also has its roots in ‘jauhar’. Jauhar and Saka refer to the ancient Indian tradition of honorary self immolation of women and subsequent march of men to the battle field (against any odds) to end their life with respect. It was followed by the Rajput clans in order to avoid capture and dishonour at the hands of their Islamist enemies. Such painful method (burning) was preferred over other painless and easy ways like poisoning or hanging.

Jauhar (also spelled jowhar) was originally the voluntary death on a funeral of the queens and female royals of defeated Rajput kingdoms. The term is extended to describe the occasional practice of mass suicide carried out in medieval times by Rajput women and men. Mass self-immolation by women was called jauhar. This was usually done before or at the same time their husbands, brothers, fathers and sons rode out in a charge to meet their attackers and certain death. The upset caused by the knowledge that their women and younger children were dead, no doubt filled them with rage in this fight to the death called saka.
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We used to have pdf of a black and white drawing of Indian women through the ages. It clearly shows how the faces were covered like in Darfur in the early Islamic age.
Maybe some kind member will re-post it.
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rkirankr wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:From the book 'Hindi Upanyaas ka Itihaas' (History of Hindi novels) written by Gopal Rai

In the book 'Bhagyavati' the author Shraddharam Fillori writes that during the Islamic rule, the rulers used to kidnap unmarried girls. Since kidnapping married girls was not allowed in Islam, the parents used to marry their children at a young age. The author then asks people to discontinue child marriage since the Islamic rule has ended. (The book was published in late 19th century).

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Question: Is this true?
Yes I think so. I have not read that book. I have heard this thing from my grandmother(my mother's aunt). It seems Islamists did not take away married girls. It seems to happen in areas where there muslim admin during British rule. So the tradition of marrying a woman early and also it seems if a baby girl was born, they would tie a mangalasutra to the cradle. Ofcourse these were all by word of mouth from grandma who had probably seen or heard it from her mother. They all were brought up in Nizam's ruled areas. They were all married young.

kidnapping married women is haraam in "peace time", allowed in war, and always allowed on non-Muslims or in lands which is not yet Dar-ul-Islam. Look up authentic texts of Sharia under any of the four main schools.
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Views from the Right
Taking on EC

The BJP may have targeted Union law minister Salman Khurshid during his run-in with the Election Commission, but the RSS seems to have an entirely different take on the recent controversies surrounding the poll panel. An article in the RSS weekly Organiser attacked the EC, saying it has “limited functions and should not be too big for its boots... It must understand why it has been given a constitutional status. It is not for policing or autocratic functioning. The sole purpose is to ensure authority to conduct elections in a free and fair manner. The EC was not designed to become a guardian of the democracy but an efficient servant, who would function with loyalty to elect a pro-people regime.” It adds: “It is unfortunate that the EC has been trying to act bigger than the democracy and treats politicians with least respect. When it does so, it loses its own respect and authority.”

About the Khurshid controversy, it says: “in the case of whether Khurshid (and) Beni Prasad Verma on their assurance on [the] Muslim quota or listening to complaints on the construction of Ram Mandir, what the EC has been trying to do is choke the voice of the campaigners... The political parties also need to ask the EC why it should try to censor statements or tell campaigners what to speak or not.” It concludes that this is a clear violation of the mandate the EC has been bestowed with.

States of the nation

An Organiser editorial attacks the UPA government for its decision to set up the National Counter-Terrorism Centre (NCTC).

“It is not for want of laws or agencies that anti-terror investigations in India are stumbled. It is the lack of political will. Instead of acting tough on terror suspects and punishing those convicted, the UPA government is playing footsie with them,” it says, adding it was the UPA which repealed POTA “to pander to the minority community”.

The editorial, while opposing the NCTC, deviates and talks about Hindu terror. About the Samjhauta Express blast case, it says the home ministry has come up with the Hindu terror theory even after investigations had been closed.

It also mentions the Batla House controversy: “it is the performance of the Central government and its kid-glove attitude towards terrorism that is making its intentions suspect in the setting up of the NCTC... what makes the NCTC a bad move is the fact that it is not an independent body but answerable to the political power of the home ministry, superseding elected chief ministers.”

Secret Sonia

AMIDST reports that UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi has declined to disclose the details of her income tax returns under the RTI Act, an article in the Organiser asks why is she so “secretive” and still in public life.

“First it was her religion, then her relatives and then her illness and now her income tax returns. Sonia Gandhi has consistently refused to reveal details regarding these,” the article says. It says information regarding her trip abroad for treatment too was denied to the public on grounds of her privacy.

“The media played along in such reverential obedience. If public money had been spent on her, it has to be accounted for and the citizens of the country have a right to know how much and why the money was spent; if the treatment she received abroad was not available in India etc,” it says.
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From the Urdu Press
Riots in retrospect

Ten years after the Gujarat riots, Rashtriya Sahara writes a full-page review on February 28: “Ten years have passed since the massacre of Muslims in Gujarat in 2002, but Chief Minister Narendra Modi tries to talk about his electoral success in response to the bitter questions of his opponents. When asked about the riot culprits being unpunished, victims still being harassed and having received no compensation, Modi has often got up and moved away from the camera. In March 2010, a Special Investigation Team (SIT) was appointed by the Supreme Court to probe the Gujarat riots, which asked Modi to answer some questions, details of which are now in public domain. But many questions still remain unanswered.”

In another, more positive piece of comment, it writes: “Muslims do not want to talk much about the riots, ten years later. Some infer that the Gujarati Muslim is so afraid that he does not want to speak — but that is not the case. Some may indeed be afraid, most Muslims are committed to rebuilding their lives, bit by bit, struggling against circumstance. They must be saluted for this”. It quotes Iqbal’s famous line: ‘Sitaron se aage jahan aur bhi hain’ (there are other worlds beyond the stars).

Describing Gujarat as ‘Maadr-e-Hind ke rukhsar par thehra hua ansoo ‘ (a teardrop on the face of Mother India), the daily Inquilab, published from Mumbai, Delhi, Lucknow, Kanpur and Bareilly, compares the riots with the violence and destruction of India’s Partition.

Newly united front?

The strong opposition of several chief ministers to the now-deferred National Counter-Terrorism Centre (NCTC) has been much discussed in the Urdu press. Jamaat-e-Islami’s biweekly, Daawat, writes on February 22: “It has been confirmed that the entire exercise was undertaken by the Centre, keeping state governments in the dark, without any discussion or consultation. The objections raise fundamental questions of weakening federalism, which can lead to other problems.”

The New Delhi-based weekly, Nai Duniya, edited by Samajwadi Party leader and former MP Shahid Siddiqui, however, calls it “a rebellion by the chief ministers to snatch power from the Congress and BJP in 2014”. In a piece of commentary (February 27), the paper writes: “It is not just a disagreement with the Centre’s decision — the objective is to forge a new united front against the Congress and the BJP... After the inclusion of a party like Telugu Desam, the way will be cleared for a strong political formation.”

The Maharashtra check

Lucknow-based daily Aag writes in its February 18 editorial: “The results of the Maharashtra municipal elections, particularly in Mumbai, amid the UP elections, have been an eye-opener for the Congress.” It adds: “The Congress-NCP alliance is now being described as a mistake. Some Congressmen say that the NCP succcesfully bargained for seats held by the Congress, and Congress could have kept those 25-odd seats that it lost.

Rashtriya Sahara, in its February 21 editorial, says that Raj Thackeray managed to snatch18 seats from the Shiv Sena. “Dadar area was the most powerful stronghold of Bal Thackeray. Shiv Sena Bhawan, the symbol of the Thackeray clan’s power, is situated there. Now Raj Thackeray has captured Dadar”, the paper says. It says that the Congress-NCP combine is still ahead of the Shiv Sena-BJP alliance in smaller towns and rural areas, and that “significantly, the entire election process was free of the Anna Hazare factor”. However, the paper says, “despite the fact that the election day was declared a holiday, 55 per cent of Mumbai’s middle class chose to stay home with their family.”

Music and words

According to a report in Delhi-based daily, Hamara Samaj (February 22), at the 143rd birth anniversary of legendary Urdu poet Ghalib in Delhi’s Ghalib Academy, Prof. Shamim Hanafi, a renowned Urdu scholar, said that Ghalib was very well-versed in the intricacies of Hindustani music: “Ghalib had also chosen certain ragas for his ghazals and he has stated in one of his letters that a particular ghazal should be sung in Raag Jhinjhoti,” Prof. Hanafi revealed.”
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I know this issue will be discussed to death in the Mil forum, but I think it deserves a spot here. what does everybody think about MoD denying private sector a role in defense ship building? what I'm primarily concerned with is the effects this will have in the decades to come. especially regarding the attitudes and behavior of the business elite that is taking shape in India. on BRF, many have said before that the rising class of business interests, both at the small/medium level and at the multi-billion dollar level, need to be "taken care of" so that they don't jump ship. the idea is that these groups need to be nurtured from now on, so that they have an orientation that leads them on the path of partnership with Indian Rashtra in rebuilding an Indian Imperium.

while the elite have a lot of opportunities, it is very clear that Defense/Military is not one of those sectors. if the impression that Indian armed forces, and Rashta are not really interested in Indigenous manufacture and development of big ticket defense projects becomes solidified, it is possible that the elite which hopes to have a share of this pie will simply move onto greener pastures and abandon all hope of ever making a name in this sector. that is a very seriously debilitating prospect.

I believe this decision needs to be scrutinized heavily. I know that the Armed Forces in general are geared towards protecting India and I am not trying to question their loyalty. But I am seriously questioning the IQ of the people who decided to shut out private sector from submarine building (is it confined to that or is it broader naval ship building too?). this is a very dangerous thing, IMVHO. it risks making India permanently dependent on all and sundry foreign nations when it comes to Submarines, which are going to stay as a major source of power projection into the significant long term future, until something radically changes in the meantime.

IMHO, Indian private industry has shown a remarkable ability to adapt practices and implement processes and operations with agility and time consciousness. we are developing a niche in heavy industries and precision manufacturing like forgings, material processing, and bottom-up design and production of industrial machinery components, etc. this is the ideal time to also start working on "organism-level" projects which incorporate several systems and subsystems of high complexity and sophistication. a project like submarine manufacturing will borrow expertise from several sectors which are coming up in India, which have proven themselves successful in manufacturing those components and subsystems.

I don't see how this decision is a "positive" one, let alone beneficial or wise....JMTPs.

we should also keep in mind that this is concerning the Naval capabilities of the nation. it is always best to keep an open mind on such issues. Naval power is a keenly watched issue and at any given time, we can be sure that the usual suspects are all eagerly poking and prodding for any minute opening that they can exploit wrt Indian Naval projection capabilities. we should not discount any and all possibilities. this is not science fiction. just a reminder that Naval power is one of the most contended geopolitical objectives and no "established" power EVER gives it up or watches on the sidelines as new competitors rise!
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Some information on the history of Hindi speaking regions is available in the Indian Lit. thread.
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India's strict visa regulations hamper entry of skilled foreigners
http://www.samachar.com/Indias-strict-v ... bhbdj.html
Alexandra Patargia is a 26-year-old civil engineer from Greece. After an engineering degree from Athens, she completed her master's degree in development administration and planning from London and is now keen on finding a job in India. "I have been following the India growth story for the past couple of years. My qualifications in civil engineering and development should find a very good fit in India, I feel. Besides, India is on a growth path while European countries such as ours are not doing very well," she says. However, her job search in India has so far not yielded results.
The main reason for this is the $25,000 per annum lower limit that the Indian government has set for giving employment visas to skilled overseas workers. For Patargia, who has two years of work experience in Greece, an annual salary below $25,000 is acceptable. "I would like to work in India to gain experience. I'm willing to start with a lower salary. I know that in my kind of job, there will be an annual increase in the salary based on performance. However, the Indian government rules don't allow that," she says.
Many young professionals like Patargia now want India on their CVs and the reason is not always mind-boggling entry level salaries. Mumbai-based lawyer Ashok Pratap, who has a growing clientele of foreigners looking for employment visas, sees the interest among young foreign professionals to work in India going beyond just good salaries. "India is an emerging economy and is now attracting many young professionals who want to come here to experience a different work culture and a way of life. Often they are willing to work for salaries that are much lower than in their own countries," he says. The Indian government had set the salary threshold limit of $25,000 a year for foreign nationals being sponsored by employers in India for an employment visa from November 2010. It includes salary and allowances paid to them in cash. Suheil Tandon, co-founder and partner of specialised sports management company Pro4Sport Solutions, feels that in the business of specialised sports coaching at the grass-roots level, employing foreign nationals is important. "There are not enough sports coaches and specialists in India.
In other countries, there are many young sportspersons who are well trained and many of them are willing to come and work for us in India. Some are also keen on coming to work as interns while they are finishing their training," says Tandon. India does not have the concept of an internship visa for foreign nationals. Project Visa Even though the Indian government has no plans currently to increase the categories under which the lower salary threshold will be relaxed for employment visa applicants, the project visa category within the employment visa regime, has come as a big benefit for the power and steel sectors.
Under the P visa, foreign nationals can come to India for execution of projects in the power and steel sectors. The visa is project specific but is not subject to the lower salary ceiling. "This visa facility was introduced to meet the huge demand from industry and helps companies to bring in semi-skilled or unskilled foreign workers for specific projects," the home ministry official told ET on Sunday. Not surprisingly, there's a huge demand for the P visas and according to figures from the ministry of external affairs, there have been 1,000 P visas for the power sector and 400 for the steel sector issued within a year of the category being introduced. "In the past, workers from certain regions - such as China - have faced a lot of problems in getting their employment visas. However, the P category has helped to iron out a lot of these problems," says Amitabh Singh, partner, Ernst & Young India, a consultancy.
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