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paramu wrote:Rs 2cr pardon for Marines
A lawyer for the families said they also passed on a signed note, the crux of which said they had forgiven the two Marines in the name of Jesus Christ.
Obviously, church is involved in this settlement.

Do the Indian courts and it's judicial system recognise the veracity of jesus christ in legal proceedings meaning what is the locus standi of this "forgiveness in the name of.........."
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In the court, you take oath by putting your hand on respective religious book. I don't if that practice is still there.
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Criminal cases are between the Accused and The state and not between the Accused and the Victim. So it would be public prosecutors pleadings that would be given more importance. But Lawyers of Victims carry weight in such proceedings lending support/oppose to the prosecution case.

As Paramu pointed out Centre has taken the stand that Kerala Police has no jurisdiction to prosecute the case so it would be interesting to see the case being thrown out on this account alone. Lives of Indians are so cheap, thanks to soul selling politicians and we hope to become world power.

And yes , all such points as mentioned by Ramana garu would be made before the Court and intent ear would be lent to such pleadings by the court while giving impression of doing justice. Just to remind oneself of Anderson and Ahamadi of Bhopal infamy.
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http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 120428.htm
We are on the threshold of deadly mutations of terrorism
Terrorists and insurgents are increasingly acting together at the regional, national and global level. But we in India are not, points out B Raman
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b]Individual states can control regional terrorism or insurgency with a limited spread. We have had success stories as in the case of Al Ummah in Tamil Nadu.[/b]But terrorism or insurgency of a pan-Indian spread is a different kind of threat like the one posed by the Indian Mujahideen or by the insurgency of the Maoists. The whole of India is their theatre and their target. No individual state police, however professional and competent, can deal with the threat on their own.We are on the threshold of other and more deadly mutations of terrorism such as maritime terrorism. Global terrorist organisations have been on the look-out for weapons of mass destruction material that they can use. From global, such threats are likely to become national.Only the Centre can deal with these mutations and prevent them from operating in our territory. No individual state police has or will ever have the expertise and capability to prevent and neutralize them.Our internal security problems are inextricably entwined with our external environment. The non-state actors of today -- whether terrorists or insurgents -- copy states in their ability to use modern technologies and new means of causing death and destruction.
Threats have changed today, beyond our worst imagination
When our Constitution was framed more than 60 years ago, our internal security tasks were simple -- dealing with dacoities, robberies and insurgencies. Our founding fathers had the confidence that the states can deal with any internal security threat alone. In their keenness to preserve and protect our federal state, they made the police a state subject.
We need new instruments to deal with the threats
The concept was borrowed by Home Minister P Chidambaram from the United States where the NCTC has played a useful role in preventing terrorism. Normally, there should have been no controversy but Chidambaram's action in seeking to make the NCTC a part of the Intelligence Bureau with executive powers of arrest and search has rightly alarmed the opposition-ruled states.In the US and elsewhere, such instruments function independently and not as a wing of the intelligence agency. They have no powers of arrest and search. The IB is a clandestine instrument. Fears of likely misuse of such powers by it are legitimate. They have to be addressed
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Four Hindu youths held for desecration of temple

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/and ... epage=true
It was not ‘jihadis,' but four Hindu youths, instigated by two local leaders, who planted the legs of a cow and sprinkled green paint in a temple at Madanappet, sparking communal clashes in the old city three weeks ago, the police have said.

The youths have been arrested, and the police have launched a hunt for Niranjan, a wine merchant, and Srinivas, a moneylender, accused of masterminding the desecration.

The arrested were Nagaraj, who works as a contract sanitation supervisor in the Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation; Kiran Kumar, a florist; Ramesh, a hotel worker; and Dayanand Singh, a car driver. All of them hail from Kurmaguda of Madannapet.

The arrested persons did not have any criminal record, but were organising religious programmes in the area. Their aim was to create communal disturbances and turn the situation to their advantage by provoking and uniting the Hindus, the police said on Friday.

The absconding persons did not belong to any religious organisation. They used to lead youngsters of the area in celebrating Ganesh Chaturthi and Navaratri. The two believed that by projecting a threat from the rival community, they could unite the Hindus.

They anticipated some trouble during Sri Rama Navami and Hanuman Jayanti in the first week of April. “As the events passed off peacefully, they conspired to trigger communal clashes,” the police said.

Investigators said the youths met in a wine shop and finalised their plan on April 7, allegedly at the behest of Niranjan and Srinivas. Being a sanitation worker, Nagaraj knew a place at Chanchalguda, where the burnt legs of animals are dumped. While he collected two severed legs of a cow, another procured a bottle of paint.

Past midnight on April 7, they went up to the temple, planted the legs on the wall, inserting them through the iron grill, and sprinkled the paint. The next morning, as the news spread, the Hindus of the locality gathered in large numbers.When a sniffer dog headed for the main road, a mob followed it and started throwing stones, damaging Muslim property.

As the affected persons retaliated, clashes broke out at Madanappet and Saidabad, prompting the police to impose curfew on the areas under the two police stations.

The police began their investigation, picking up youngsters involved in cases of property damage. Ramesh was among those held. He came out on bail four days ago.

Piecing together the leads, the City Police Commissioner's Task Force teams picked him up again. And he admitted to his offence. On his confession, the other three were nabbed.
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How come Jagdish Tytler goes scott free for the Sikh riots - there seems to be enough evidence against him.
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nawabs wrote:Four Hindu youths held for desecration of temple

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/and ... epage=true
Hindu Youths but these can also be INC workers or any legion of Hindu MArxist variety, see how easily the Sikular brigade uses proganda to nail RSS/BJP with little evidence.
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With May Day ahead leaving early from work. But some good news before I move. The Supreme Court of India have declared that the agreement reached between the kin of the dead Kerala fishermen and the Italian Govt. would NOT have legal standing.

Below are the news reports from Malayalam dailies.
Deepika.com
Mathrubhumi.com
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Aditya_V wrote:
nawabs wrote:Four Hindu youths held for desecration of temple

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/and ... epage=true
Hindu Youths but these can also be INC workers or any legion of Hindu MArxist variety, see how easily the Sikular brigade uses proganda to nail RSS/BJP with little evidence.
Psec Journalism Book 1.103:
For any incident, if criminals are not from a particular of two communities, write, "Hindus did it." Otherwise, write "People of a particular community (naming is forbidden) when instigated and harassed by Hindus had to resort do doing such thing."
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Could knowledgeable docs comment on this?

Vaccine vexation: India backs costly drug mix
India's Health Ministry this month ignored widespread concern over the safety, efficacy and cost of pentavalent vaccines and approved inclusion of the prophylactic cocktail in a universal immunization program in seven of its provinces.

Pentavalent vaccine doses, a cocktail of five antigens in a single shot, confers immunity against five pediatric diseases - diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, hepatitis B and haemophilus influenza type b (Hib), with the last one considered particularly problematic by some experts.

Pentavalents, produced by several manufacturers and promoted by the Global Alliance on Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI), has had a history of causing adverse reactions and deaths in India's neighboring countries Bhutan, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

The National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI), a body of experts selected by the Indian government, in 2010 recommended limited introduction of pentavalents in southern Kerala and Tamil Nadu and evaluation of results over a year before extension to other states.

Pentavalents were launched in Kerala and Tamil Nadu in December 2011, and the results were not encouraging. Kerala recorded four infant deaths following vaccination, with symptoms similar to what were seen in other South Asian countries.

Public health activists in Kerala, a state with 100% literacy and human development indices similar to those of advanced Western countries, quickly filed a public interest litigation (PIL) in the Kerala High Court asking for intervention in having the program called off and a return to the existing health plan.

But despite infant deaths and two pending PILs (with yet another being heard in the Delhi High Court) against pentavalents, the Health Ministry announced on April 16 that pentavalents would be introduced in five more states - Gujarat, Haryana, Karnataka, Goa, Jammu and Kashmir and Puducherry in October.

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chaanakya wrote:

And yes , all such points as mentioned by Ramana garu would be made before the Court and intent ear would be lent to such pleadings by the court while giving impression of doing justice. Just to remind oneself of Anderson and Ahamadi of Bhopal infamy.
Kerala fishermen's killing: Out-of-court settlement impermissible, Supreme Court says
bench of justices RM Lodha and HL Gokhale reserved its order on vessel's owner Dolphin Tankers' plea for release of the ship for 10.30am tomorrow, by which time the Italian government too was asked to file its reply.

Earlier during the two-hour-long argument, the apex court questioned the Kerala government as to why it did not oppose the compromise reached between the families of the deceased fishermen and the Italian vessel's owners, who reportedly paid Rs one crore to each victim's family.

Referring to the compromise, the apex court bench said, "This is a challenge to the Indian judicial system, this is impermissible. It is most unfortunate."

The apex court also indicated that it was not in favour of detaining the vessel crew and the two naval guards unless their presence was required by the investigating authorities.

The bench made it clear that not only the citizens of this country but even foreign nationals, present in the country are entitled to the protection as per Article 21 which grants right to life and liberty to everyone in India.
Stage is being set for release of Italian marines. The same Bench which appeared to have come down heavily against the Centre later gave a judgement which was neither here not there and defactor went in favour of the Centre on Age Row. Here also Marines would leave and if pronounced guilty would never be arraigned by Police nor would they obey Indian court's order to serve sentence , if given. I think it would be fair to ask the Police if they would be able to produce the chargesheeted ( still no chrge is filed??) Marines to the Court for trial and serving the sentence if pronounced guilty and then only consider release. In any case Fishermen families have put a price on their own lives and that would weaken the case.
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ShyamSP wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:
Hindu Youths but these can also be INC workers or any legion of Hindu MArxist variety, see how easily the Sikular brigade uses proganda to nail RSS/BJP with little evidence.
Psec Journalism Book 1.103:
For any incident, if criminals are not from a particular of two communities, write, "Hindus did it." Otherwise, write "People of a particular community (naming is forbidden) when instigated and harassed by Hindus had to resort do doing such thing."
It could be some foolish 'youths' trying to be too clever but we should use Yoginder sikand's article as a guide to sift through the reports.
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chaanakya wrote:Stage is being set for release of Italian marines.
If the Marines get bail, with a surety indicating that they would actually COME BACK to India and stand trial, then we can be rest assured that this case is closed. The fishermen (with their current rate of 1 crore/head) would any way not make a ruckus. The media can also be put down by saying that any way the Italians paid huge money, the fishermen are happy and now what is bothering you?. The marines can get back to Italy, the government can say we did our best but the court granted them bail, and the victims have been adequately compensated for. How strong the police contests the bail plea depends upon the policy laid out by the government. So if Central or State Government does want these folks to get bail, the police would not contest the bail plea strongly. Some sort of unenforceable surety would be give and that is the end of it.

Before I forget: If I read the law correctly, in case a charge sheet is not filed within 90 days after the FIR is lodged the accused would get the bail automatically. We need to remind ourself on when this incident happened and what day is today :).
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Lashkar-e-Taiba's own Skype frazzles Indian intelligence - http://bit.ly/IDPq9B

Intelligence agencies detain 40 persons at Indo-Nepal border
TNN | May 1, 2012, 04.48AM IST


LUCKNOW: Acting on a tip-off from central intelligence agencies, the Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB) and the Uttar Pradesh Police intercepted and detained 40 persons including 11 males, 7 females and 22 children while entering into India from Nepal at the Sonauli border in Maharajganj district early on Monday morning. None of them were found with any documents that could help in verification of their identity.

Though senior police officials were tight-lipped on the issue, UP police sources said that credentials of nine of the adult males have been verified as natives of Jammu and Kashmir.

However surfacing of a Pakistani angle has put a question mark on the very movement of the group, which actually comprises seven families and two others.

Sources said that sustained quizzing of the suspects have revealed that some of adult Kashmiri males had crossed over to Pakistan several years ago and got married their. Doing odd jobs, they brought up their families in Pakistan itself before they decided to return to their native places in the Kashmir valley. Investigating agencies suspect that some of them had probably undergone arms training in Pakistan and were now shifting with their families to Kashmir possibly as a part of a major terror design.

Reports reaching the director general of police headquarters here said that all the 11 adult males were subjected to several rounds of questioning separately by the central and state intelligence agencies apart from the Uttar Pradesh Police and the SSB teams.

After they claimed to be natives of Jammu and Kashmir, their specifics were faxed to the J&K police for individual verification. While, some of them were either established as true, others are yet to be confirmed.

The heads of the seven families have been identified as natives of Kashmir. These include Dawood Ahmed Lone (37) of Naakhal area in Magaama police circle of Badgam district, Farooq Ahmed Baani (29) of Kulgam, Abdul Rasheed (38) of Pulgama, Bashir Ahmed (32) of Kalaarus locality and Gulam Mohiuddin (45) of Kachruqazipura in Lagaat police circle - all situated in Kupwara district, Bashir Ahmed (42) of Goolar locality under Pahalgam in Anantnag, Sheikh Mustafa (42) of Lalpura in Budgam district, Mohammed Ashraf Thokar (35) of Raakhiteer loclaity in Pulwama district and Shabbeer Ahmed (32) of Shopian district in Kashmir.

Investigating agencies confirmed that though nothing objectionable had been found from any of the 40 persons detained and all of them were carrying household items with them, further verification of some of them is underway.

"A clear picture will emerge possibly by Tuesday evening," said a senior IPS officer posted with a central intelligence agency.
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Were they discussing cricket?

Whats the pont of that headline by Ind Exp?
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Sachin wrote:
chaanakya wrote:Stage is being set for release of Italian marines.
If the Marines get bail, with a surety indicating that they would actually COME BACK to India and stand trial, then we can be rest assured that this case is closed. The fishermen (with their current rate of 1 crore/head) would any way not make a ruckus. The media can also be put down by saying that any way the Italians paid huge money, the fishermen are happy and now what is bothering you?. The marines can get back to Italy, the government can say we did our best but the court granted them bail, and the victims have been adequately compensated for. How strong the police contests the bail plea depends upon the policy laid out by the government. So if Central or State Government does want these folks to get bail, the police would not contest the bail plea strongly. Some sort of unenforceable surety would be give and that is the end of it.

Before I forget: If I read the law correctly, in case a charge sheet is not filed within 90 days after the FIR is lodged the accused would get the bail automatically. We need to remind ourself on when this incident happened and what day is today :).

Deccan Herald:

SC allows Italian ship to sail
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Court allows Italian ship to leave India
In a conditional relief to Italy, whose merchant ship was seized following the shooting to death of two Kerala fishermen by two marines on board, the Supreme Court on Wednesday allowed the vessel to leave India, along with the crew and the remaining marines.
Honestly, if what I understand is correct, I dont see a problem here. The ship and the *remaining crew & marines* are the parties who are going back. The people who did the actual firing are NOT going any where. If I get this right the two prime accused are still in Indian custody. Scientific evidence collections from the ship and questioning of the other marines and crew are completed. If they have to be summoned as witnesses, then the court has got the commitment from the shipping company that they can be produced within 5 weeks. There is no point in detaining a huge ship and people who are not connected with the actual crime.
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Sachin wrote:Court allows Italian ship to leave India
In a conditional relief to Italy, whose merchant ship was seized following the shooting to death of two Kerala fishermen by two marines on board, the Supreme Court on Wednesday allowed the vessel to leave India, along with the crew and the remaining marines.
Honestly, if what I understand is correct, I dont see a problem here. The ship and the *remaining crew & marines* are the parties who are going back. The people who did the actual firing are NOT going any where. If I get this right the two prime accused are still in Indian custody. Scientific evidence collections from the ship and questioning of the other marines and crew are completed. If they have to be summoned as witnesses, then the court has got the commitment from the shipping company that they can be produced within 5 weeks. There is no point in detaining a huge ship and people who are not connected with the actual crime.
Thats correct. Ship and other crew are not required for further investigation and need not be detained. The two accused are still in custody. If chargesheet is not filed within 90 days or after such extension of time as may be allowed by the Judicial magistrate they become entitled for Bail. If they are guaranteed to be produced by the Country or if CBI says it can produce them as required by the sessions court then they could be released. Afterall one need not be under custody without proper trial and conviction and sentencing. Trail would take years to finalise and by that time these marines would either grow old or be dead. Families have taken monies and those who were killed could not have earned as much in their productive lifetime. There are thousands of crimes/murders committed and not all reach a conclusion. If this trial is not reached finality none would be a loser except for the country as a whole. Sad but real.But what the heck...
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chaanakya wrote:The two accused are still in custody. If chargesheet is not filed within 90 days or after such extension of time as may be allowed by the Judicial magistrate they become entitled for Bail.
We need to watch out for this. With media interest going down and the relatives of the dead people made their quick money, things would fall silent now. Media etc. would only wake up when the accused have got the bail, and have flown back home. Then politicians would start the blame game and media joins in.
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The Christian Machinery at work again as they use you against you:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 983845.cms
The leaders of both the parties accused Jaganmohan Reddy, a Christian, of showing disrespect to other religions and disturbing the sanctity of the Balaji temple.
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krithivas wrote:The Christian Machinery at work again as they use you against you:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 983845.cms
The leaders of both the parties accused Jaganmohan Reddy, a Christian, of showing disrespect to other religions and disturbing the sanctity of the Balaji temple.
It is the congress machinery which is afraid that Jagan is taking Reddys(converted and non-converted) and christians(many fishermen & SCs have converted) along with them, so they are trying to create a split.

popcorn time. :wink:
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Virupaksha wrote:It is the congress machinery which is afraid that Jagan is taking Reddys(converted and non-converted) and christians(many fishermen & SCs have converted) along with them, so they are trying to create a split.

popcorn time. :wink:
Much ado about nothing. Media seems to be dragging TDP name also while it is Congress and Jagan drama. Congress and Jagan want to split TDP votes and share in PRP-style operation by doing all sorts of dramas but so far no success is seen except that they're splitting their own votebanks.

What Hindus must try is separation of State and Temple. Temples should be off-limits to these crook politicians.
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A real wierd article by Swami here. His thrust seems to be that Tiger is innocent and whatever he did was only because of the riots and so, he isnt to be blamed fully :-?
Babri Masjid ghosts emerge from tale of Bolton terror suspect to be extradited to India
Early in 2010, detectives walked into a grocer's store in Bolton, 16 km from Manchester, looking for a man his closest friends called “Tiger.” For 17 years, police in Gujarat had been hunting for Muhammad Hanif Patel, wanted for his alleged role in a 1993 grenade attack on a train which left an eight-year-old girl dead and 12 people injured.

This week, the greying 54-year-old businessman lost a desperate legal battle to avoid extradition to India. His trial, when it begins later this summer, will exhume some of India's most painful post-independence history.

In December 1992 when Hindutva groups demolished the Babri Masjid sparking off murderous communal violence nationwide, Mr. Patel was a successful construction magnate. His United Kingdom-based father, Umarji Patel, belonged to an influential Muslim family, part of Surat's well-heeled business élite. Mr. Patel busied himself organising relief camps for the thousands of Muslims displaced in the violence, often carried out by police-backed mobs.

He also, police claim, participated in a plan to kill.

Babri Masjid to Black Friday

From evidence produced during the trials of several men already convicted for the bombing, at least some of Surat's besieged Muslims felt the need for more muscular kinds of assistance. The former State Minister and Fisheries Board Chairman Mohammad Surti — who received a 20-year sentence for his role in the bombing last year — called top ganglord Abdul Latif for help. In April 1993, Mr. Latif is alleged to have met with Mr. Surti, his son Farooq Surti, local Congress politician Iqbal Wadiwala, Husain Ghadiyali, Salim Chawal and Mr. Patel himself.

Later that month, Mr. Ghadiyali drove a Maruti van, with a dozen hand-grenades, two Kalashnikov rifles, and a hundred rounds of ammunition to Surat. The grenade thrown at the Gujarat Express on April 22, 1993 was intended to have demonstrated that killing Muslims would not be cost-free.

Nothing in the Gujarat Police's files, or the trial records, suggests Mr. Patel had a direct role in the bombing. Mr. Ghadiyali, whose wife tied a rakhi on the ganglord's wrist each year in a ritual gesture of brotherhood, was the central actor. :-?
Mr. Latif — later to die in a controversial encounter — was no jihadist. Long, a key figure in Gujarat's lucrative bootleg racket, he had clawed his way into the State's élite by ruthlessly eliminating his rivals. He won support by acting as a source of patronage and protection — and bought impunity by building a close relationship with the local Congress. In 1987, then in jail facing trial on murder charges, he fought and won elections from five Ahmedabad municipal wards.

In the wake of the 1992-1993 carnage, ganglords like Mr. Latif came under pressure from communities torn apart by communal violence — and turned to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate for help. In February 1993, Karachi-based ganglord Dawood Ibrahim Kaskar ordered networks to stage reprisal attacks. From a confessional statement made by Dawood Ibrahim's lieutenant Usman Gani Merchant, we have some idea of what was discussed at the meeting, where the decision for ‘revenge' was taken.

Mr. Kaskar's operatives set off 13 improvised explosive devices in Mumbai on March 12, 1993, killing more than 250 people — the largest terrorist attack in India's history, known popularly as the Black Friday bombings. The explosives, grenades and assault rifles used in the course of the revenge operation were provided by the ISI, which hoped to set off a communal war in India.

The weapons used in Surat, investigators later discovered, were part of a larger consignment of 57 Kalashnikov assault rifles, several dozen grenades given to Mr. Latif by Mr. Kaskar, with instructions to carry out similar operations in Gujarat.

Led by a Latif gang member called Rasool Khan ‘Party,' his nickname derived from slang for businessman, the crime syndicate carried out strikes in a Surat marketplace, and at eight locations in Ahmedabad — killing 10.

Mr. Latif fled India for a time, dumping his remaining cache of 30 assault rifles and grenades in Jharnea, in Madhya Pradesh. Police allege the weapons were transported there by Sohrabuddin Sheikh, who was killed in a 2005 shootout with the Gujarat Police, now known to have been staged to settle a business-related feud. In 1995, Mr. Latif returned to India after a falling-out with Dawood Ibrahim, and was killed in a controversial encounter.

Following the murderous 2002 communal riots in Gujarat, elements of the group built alliances with jihadist groups, laying the foundations for a new phase of retaliatory violence. Rasool Khan ‘Party' hid out in Hyderabad, where he made contact with controversial Islamist cleric Maulana Mohammad Naseeruddin. Following the murderous 2002 communal riots in Gujarat, Rasool Khan is alleged to have funded the travel of jihad recruits to training camps in Pakistan. Mr. Khan, like other key figures in these networks, is thought to be in Pakistan
All the right keywords ticked:
Hindutva, murderous 2002 riots ( mentioned 5-6 times), all the gangsters suffixed with a "Mr" etc.
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Politics of the black hat
Shishir Gupta, Hindustan Times
May 05, 2012
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On April 24, 2012, the Himachal Pradesh Police quietly dropped all criminal charges against Ogyen Trinley Dorje. Known as Black Hat Lama, Ogyen Trinley Dorje is a claimant to the title of 17th Karmapa and head of the influential Karma Kagyu school of Tibetan Buddhism. Backed by powerful
mentor priest, Taisitu Rinpoche, Ogyen even has the support of the Dalai Lama to the Karmapa title. The criminal case was related to seizure of Indian and foreign currency, including Chinese Yuan, amounting to nearly R6 crore from Gyotu monastery in Sidhbari in Kangra district after Ogyen’s key aide, Shakti Lama, was caught by the Una police carrying unaccounted one crore rupees in cash on January 26, 2011. Lama was caught red handed in a benami land deal on behalf of Karmae Garchen trust, which was then said to be headed by Dorje.

This was the culmination of a complex, nuanced and multi-layered game played between Indian intelligence agencies, rival high lamas of Tibetan Buddhism and watched by Chinese rulers of Tibet. The biggest gainer in the cash seizure controversy was Ogyen’s arch rival Trinley Thaye Dorje, the second claimant to the 17th Karmapa title, the Black Hat and riches in the Rumtek Monastery in Sikkim. Said to be propped up by a section of the Indian internal security establishment, Trinley Thaye Dorje and his mentor Shamar Rinpoche are based in a Kalimpong monastery.

To his credit, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh saw through the complex game after a high level Buddhist delegation met him on January 29, 2011 in support of Ogyen Trinley Dorje. After discussing the issue with his principal advisors, the PM was clear that as Tibetan refugees, the Karmapa or his supporters could only buy land in India through benami transactions which normally involve cash. It was also clear that as the Karmapas supporters were Tibetans, Europeans and Americans, the cash offerings had to be in Chinese Yuan, Euros or US dollars. Despite the public and media calling Ogyen a Chinese agent and Beijing issuing an official statement denying it, a message was sent to then Himachal Chief Secretary, Rajwant Sandhu, (on the sidelines of the annual chief secretaries conference on February 4, 2011) to not escalate the issue, stop the media trial and let the police quitely investigate the high profile case due to rival claimants and powerful lobbies at work.

The tussle over the real incarnation of the 16th Karmapa has been complicated by the circumstances in which Ogyen Trinley Dorje crossed over from the fortified high security Tsurphu Monastery in Kham region of Tibetan Autonomous Region of China to India in 2000. His great escape from Tsurphu on December 28, 1999 to Mustang region on the Tibet-Nepal border, airlift to Kathmandu in the presence of the Dalai Lama’s representative and subsequent entry into India through Raxaul border, surfacing at Dharmsala on January 5, 2000, are shrouded in mystery. Even though the Dalai Lama fully backs Ogyen Trinley Dorje to be the 17th Karmapa, there are genuine concerns within the Indian establishment, and a section believes that he is a Chinese plant. Rival Trinley Thaye Dorje was also born in Tibet but was anointed as 17th Karmapa by Shamar Rinpoche at the Karmapa Buddhist Institute in Delhi in 1994.

In the backdrop of Beijing’s desperation over 35 self-immolations in Kham-Sichuan region, the role of the 17th Karmapa assumes importance since, after the Dalai Lama, he is the second most powerful lama outside China. His word counts in eastern Tibet and could play a soothing role in settling the restive Sichuan region. The other reason is that in case something were to happen to the present 14th Dalai Lama, then Ogyen Dorje would be an important player in forming the search party to seek out the next Dalai Lama, the reincarnation of the head of Gelug school. Beijing would do everything to nix this move. The quest for wearing the Black Hat, rightful heir to the fortunes in Rumtek Monastery, a labrang (branch) of Tsurphu, and the influence of the 17th Karmapa in the sensitive Sikkim-Bhutan region is also an important factor in the political calculus of India and China. All these factors were put on the table before National Security Advisor Shiv Shankar Menon, known China expert, on February 21, 2012 by top officials and intelligence chiefs. It was pointed out that Ogyen Dorje had quit the Karmae Garchen trust six months prior to the cash seizure and hence had nothing to do with the benami land deal. After ensuring that all the principals were on board, the meeting chaired by Menon made a few key decisions.

The first, India will not get involved in the internal politics of the Karma Kagyu school and will give equal status to Ogyen and Trinley but will not allow either of them to take the seat at Rumtek Monastery till the 17th Karmapa reincarnation issue is resolved. Both will be allowed to travel abroad on refugee certificates but will be asked to maintain proper accounts.

While Indian agencies cannot vouch that Ogyen Trinley has nothing to do with Beijing, chances of him being a Chinese agent are extremely remote as he came to India at the age of 14. So by calling him a Chinese agent, India was not only antagonising his supporters and Tibetans at large but also potentially delivering him into Beijing’s lap. Hence, a decision was made to engage Ogyen while watching his statements on China.

Unreasonable action against Ogyen would also annoy the Dalai Lama, whose set-up would be under greater threat if the 17th Karmapa claimant actually had linkages with the Chinese establishment. So as long as Ogyen is not a security threat, New Delhi is not worried about his religious role.

Significantly, Ogyen Trinley was allowed to travel to America twice and his critical statement on Chinese repression and regret over rising self-immolations in Sichuan was also noted with satisfaction. While India recognises Chinese claims over Tibet, it is Beijing which is increasingly getting worried over protests and self-immolations in the highest plateau as force is not working against the rebellious monks. When External Affairs Minister S M Krishna went to meet his Chinese counterpart, Yang Jiechi, in February, he offered Indian help for settling Tibet. Even Chinese high officials have started murmuring about the need to engage India over Tibet. With all the high priests of the four Tibetan Buddhism schools living in India or Bhutan, New Delhi needs Ogyen Trinley and his supporters in the Himalayan belt for its Tibet card.
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X-posting from Red Menace thread.

Very troubling.

India's Maoists are no rag-tag rebels
Recent interrogations of top-level Maoist leaders in India have revealed that the insurgency now boasts a well-equipped force of some 46,000 combatants organized into companies, platoons and special action teams. Despite the group's swelling numbers and influence, however, it still views guerrilla warfare and high-profile abductions as the best tactics to exploit Delhi's failure to coordinate an anti-insurgent policy.
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Home ministry objects to EU delegation's Nagaland visit without security clearance

Amazing wherever there is some internal unrest in India be it C'Garh Maoists, Orissa, or Kashmir, NE, LTTE . EU diplomats are heavily involved. Wonder what gives?
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^

This weekend there was an interview (ABN-Andhrajyothy Open Heart with RK program) of Sri Aravind Rao, ex DGP of Andhra Pradesh and he talked about YSR's "Negotiation with Naxals" move in 2004.

He clarifies that the entire AP police and IAS system was unaware of the simple fact that when a state/central government negotiates with a armed/political group, then it will come under international purview and will have ramifications.

The DGP was educated by the central cadre about this and were given their experiences w.r.t Nagaland and other NE negotiations.

On one hand it shows the shortsightedness of state bureaucratic cadre and the need for central cadre (and the supporting federal structures).

The next decade is very important for India because
- A couple of generations are separated from Indic consciousness due to JNU education system (the current generation do not know local languages, poets, philosophers etc., and is more aware of christian and foreign thought leaders in all aspects of life)
- The INC fiasco with Center-state relationships
- The ongoing debate on restructuring central/state cadres of IxS officers
- manufactured sub-identities with foreign support and influence structures.
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RamaY wrote:^

This weekend there was an interview (ABN-Andhrajyothy Open Heart with RK program) of Sri Aravind Rao, ex DGP of Andhra Pradesh and he talked about YSR's "Negotiation with Naxals" move in 2004.

He clarifies that the entire AP police and IAS system was unaware of the simple fact that when a state/central government negotiates with a armed/political group, then it will come under international purview and will have ramifications.

The DGP was educated by the central cadre about this and were given their experiences w.r.t Nagaland and other NE negotiations.

On one hand it shows the shortsightedness of state bureaucratic cadre and the need for central cadre (and the supporting federal structures).

The next decade is very important for India because
- A couple of generations are separated from Indic consciousness due to JNU education system (the current generation do not know local languages, poets, philosophers etc., and is more aware of christian and foreign thought leaders in all aspects of life)
- The INC fiasco with Center-state relationships
- The ongoing debate on restructuring central/state cadres of IxS officers
- manufactured sub-identities with foreign support and influence structures.
I'm glad you brought it up. I watched that excellent interview yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPeHvQi1cYI (in Telugu)

He made some good points related to internal security and India needs to reflect as it is coming from the man who had whole experience in AP state intelligence and dealt heavily and successfully with Naxals.

(These are my understanding not word-for-word translation:)
* Naxalites had ideological convictions at the begging but no more. Now many are stuck there as Naxals so they don't want to lose their identity when they come back. They are mostly used for political machinations.

* Nagaland like peace accord was wanted to rubbed on AP Naxals by foreign powers such as Britain and Canada. He heavily resisted institutionalizing and internationalizing such issues instead of local dealing with them. He says Naxal puppeteers want to internationalize and make accords so they can install observers in the Naxal areas and take control and monitor the areas instead of it being internal issue.

* Indirectly hints that EJs are danger to India. Billions are being generated to engage in EJ activity.

Added later: You may want to check this one also that shows up next to the above video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG-OYibr72E (in English)
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EJ and Naxal links have to be exposed widely inside India
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Pak bid to ‘grab’ Dawood aide from Thailand foiled

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 55779.aspx
India has foiled Pakistan’s bid to secure the custody of Muzakkir Sayyed alias Munna ‘Jinga’, a Mumbai-born aide of fugitive Indian don Dawood Ibrahim Kaskar, from Thailand.Sayyed, a sharpshooter, had led an attack on rival don Chhota Rajan in Bangkok in September 2000.

The 10-year jail term of Sayyed, who was housed at a Bangkok prison facility after being convicted for orchestrating the attack on Rajan, ended recently. Pakistani diplomats, allegedly armed with fake documents and passport details of Sayyed that identified him as a citizen of their country, had contacted their counterparts in Thailand a few weeks ago - while he was still incarcerated in a Bangkok prison facility — to “grab him”, said a CBI official on the condition of anonymity.

“Pakistani officials told Thai authorities that Sayyed was a Pakistani citizen — on the basis of papers submitted by them, including a fake passport created after his flight to Karachi from Mumbai in 1999 — and demanded that he be deported to their country as per Thailand laws,” said the official.

It was suspected that Sayyed and five other members of the team, which attacked Rajan on Dawood’s orders, had allegedly received training and logistical help from the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Incidentally, the ISI is also suspected to have sponsored the don’s stay and activities since his orchestration of the March 1993 Mumbai serial blasts.

Alerted by the Indian embassy in Bangkok and the Research & Analysis Wing (R&AW), the CBI scrambled to halt Pakistan’s attempts to take Sayyed with them in the nick of time.

“The Thai authorities had already accepted the Pakistani position. But we challenged their contention and got the deportation stayed,” the official said.

“Thailand is likely to deport Sayyed to India soon,” said the official, “But Pakistan is cagey about India getting hold of Sayyed because he can divulge details on how its agencies had abetted the attack on Rajan, which was an act of international terrorism.”
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Letting Pakistan exist is an act of international terrorism.
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Even Chinese high officials have started murmuring about the need to engage India over Tibet. With all the high priests of the four Tibetan Buddhism schools living in India or Bhutan
India should begin by reiterating UN resolutions that call for a plebiscite in Tibet, negotiate taking back of Aksai China, integration of the Kailash Mansarover region with India, withdrawal of China from the Shakgam valley and POK. That are the topics that we should be discussing on the table with the Chinese every time we meet up with them.
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Another candidtae arrives who will be promptly arrested next week at a bus/railway station in XYZ city:
Engineer held in Saudi may be original IM link to Bihar
Investigators believe that Faseeh Mehmood, an engineer from Darbhanga who was arrested by the Saudi Arabian police earlier this week, is the Indian Mujahideen’s (IM) original link to Bihar.

Mehmood, sources claim, attended an IM programme in Bhatkal around 2005 and left India after the crackdown on the organisation in 2008. He was introduced to the Bhatkal brothers, Riyaz and Iqbal, by another IM member, they say. Investigators claim Mehmood later did “talent-spotting” for IM.

Mehmood is one of the nearly dozen Indian terror suspects who investigators believe are in Saudi Arabia. He was reportedly arrested on May 13 and is expected to be deported soon. His wife has already been deported.
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Recall the French terrorist who got shot in France? Here is latest scoop on him and his targets;

Slain terrorist Merah planned to attack Indian embassy in Paris

Mohamed Merah, the terrorist who was shot dead by the French Special Forces in Toulouse on March 22, had also planned to attack the Indian Embassy in Paris, French daily Le Monde reported.

Quoting sources from the Central Directorate of Internal Intelligence and the Special Forces who took part in the 32-hour siege of Merah, Le Monde alleges that the young killer's Taliban handlers in Pakistan had ordered him to attack the Indian mission here. “That was the target given him by the Taliban who prepared him for jihad during his training in Pakistan in the summer of 2011,” Le Monde reported. However, the paper says, Merah finally decided against the attack, given the difficulty of the enterprise. These conversations between Merah and Special Forces personnel were recorded and they are now part of the judicial dossier.


Merah first killed three Army personnel outside their barracks on March 15. Four days later, he killed a Jewish Rabbi and his two sons at a faith school, and then chased and killed a seven-year-old girl on the school premises. Throughout, he filmed his acts with a video camera strapped to his chest.

During the 32-hour siege, which ended in a bloody gun battle, he spoke freely to policemen who continued to interrogate him over telephone. All these conversations were recorded.

When asked by The Hindu whether this report was a matter of serious concern for the Indian government, Ambassador Rakesh Sood said: “The news report in Le Monde is something we have taken note of. We have also taken it up with the authorities in France, in terms of the veracity of the story as well as necessary steps to strengthen the security arrangements at the Embassy and the Residence.”

Had Merah carried out his plans, was the Embassy protected enough or was it vulnerable? To this question, Mr. Sood said the report, quoting Merah, said he found the Embassy a difficult target. “Therefore what exactly had he intended to do and that he was unable to do is something that is difficult to know, now that he is no more. It is difficult to figure out what exactly he had in mind. But somewhere in the Le Monde report it does say that he desisted because of the difficulty of the task. In any case, we are taking steps to strengthen the protection of the Embassy.”

Lured into jihad

Well-placed sources in France who cannot be quoted say the French intelligence services are extremely worried over the growing radicalisation within the Muslim community here. France has the largest concentration of Muslims in Europe, an estimated five million and it is often the young, under-educated and unskilled Muslims of Arab origin, who are radicalised and lured into jihad.

Merah is exactly one such youth of Algerian extraction. During his conversations with the policemen, he deplored the fact that he had not killed enough victims. “I did not kill enough,” he said, adding he did not fear the Special Forces surrounding his first floor apartment “because they love life, while I prefer death.”

Elder brother being questioned

The police are questioning his elder brother, Abdelkader Merah (29), who remains in isolation at the prison in Fresnes. The older Merah admits he helped his brother steal the scooter Mohamed Merah used during the killings. The younger Merah would carry out armed robberies to finance his trips to Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Jordan, Iraq or Israel. The fact that he travelled to Israel has given rise to the suspicion that Merah was an intelligence agent or at least a pawn used by the French spy agencies. With a name like Merah, the Israelis would have been extremely reticent to let him in despite his having a French passport, unless they had the green light from French services.

What can be expected is the use of non-TSP origin terrorist by TSP in and against India. The signals are clear.
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