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"Get Beant killer freed: Akal Takht to CM"

Sorry if it was missed, but has this disagreeable story hit any international news outlets? After all, the murdered leader in this case was Beant Singh, the democratically elected chief minister of Punjab, in Aug 1995.

Beant Singh was no Kim Jong Ill, Idi Amin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mabuto or SLORC(Myanmar). And no imperialist like Churchill or deGaulle. No Wen JiBao either. Even most of their deaths would be condoled if they died in that fashion( not Hitler of course).

Yet, he died a brutal death. Where is the outrage over the big fuss that is made over his killer's 'sacrifice' by the Akalis? It looks repulsive.

And instead of talking about eunuchs going to a festival, why hasn't AP( associated press) gone into this matter?


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ATS guns down Ahmedabad terror blast suspect, arrests two

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AURANGABAD/MUMBAI: A suspect in the 2008 Ahmedabad blasts was killed and two of his accomplices arrested in an encounter with Maharashtra ATS today which also left a constable wounded at Aurangabad.

The deceased has been identified as Khaleel, a resident of Gulmohar Colony in Ahmedabad, police said.

The encounter occurred near Uddhav Rao Patil Chowk in Himayat Bagh area of the town around 12.30 PM, sources said, adding two accomplices of Khaleel identified as Mohammed Shabbir and Abrar, were arrested in an injured condition after the encounter in which an ATS constable Sheikh Arif was also wounded.

All three have been admitted to the Government Medical College and Hospital at Aurangabad, the sources said.

One of the two arrested was also involved in the murder of a BJP activist, they said.

As one can guess, this didn't happen in a communal/fascist state else this would have been the headline and every channel and its uncle would have had a panel discussion for days on why the CM conducted another fake encounter!!

The new rule in Desh seems to be that only the police forces of secular states can root out the scum but no such permission for non-secular forces despite gravest provocations.


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please dont show the pics of the encounter to sonia amma she will cry


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Punjab on high alert as court orders execution of Beant Singh's killer

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Prohibitory orders under Section 144 banning assembly of five or more persons were clamped at various places including Ropar.


I do not like this.

Hanging for Beant Singh assassin, Balwant Singh Rajoana, on Saturday, rules court

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The court in Chandigarh has ordered the jailor to conduct the execution on Saturday, and has sent a contempt of court notice to the superintendent of the prison because he has told the court they could not hang Mr Rajoana on Saturday and has returned the warrant twice

The Punjab government has said that it will not allow the hanging of Balwant Singh Rajoana on Saturday at a Patiala jail.

The campaign to prevent Mr Rajoana's execution has turned into an emotional issue in Punjab.


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Lashkar on the global stage

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The capabilities of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba was seen during the horrific 26/11 attack. Post this incident many had been speaking of the manner in which the Lashkar is positioning itself to become the next Al-Qaeda which meant it was slowly but surely spreading its tentacles into becoming an international outfit. It was clear when the big boss Hafiz Saeed swore that they would have their flags flying at Washington DC, New Delhi and Tel Aviv.

The intelligence agencies in all the above three mentioned countries are working full time on the movements and operations of the Lashkar and its operatives. The expansion plan is on the cards says an officer from the Indian Intelligence Bureau. During the 26/11 attack we saw the manner in which the outfit put together the resources of global terrorists such as David Headley and Sajid Mir.

There is activity galore and one does not get to see the movements of the Lashkar just in the South Asia region. They are looking to expand in Europe, United States, Australia and the Middle East. The target nations would however continue to be India, the US and also Israel. Terror groups in Pakistan have been sensing foul play by the Israelis and they feel that attacks are being stage managed in order to further their cause. There is a likelihood of retaliation and forces are being trained against the Israelis who are present in various parts of the world. The threat is very serious, an official says. However the likelihood of an immediate attack is not on the cards, but the build up suggests that they are gearing for something very big.

The Indian Intelligence says that the Lashkar may not carry out all their international operations alone. They are trying to merge smaller groups across the world present in Europe, Australia, Middle and also South Asia into their fold. Most of the attacks on the international circuit according to the Lashkar plan will be carried in the name of these smaller outfits, but the entire operation would be overlooked by the Lashkar. The Lashkar is aiming at destruction on a large scale and the targets would be the citizens of enemy nations. However they would not want much heat on them on the international circuit as this would be the movement of their operatives would be crippled.

Unlike the Al-Qaeda the Lashkar has not yet managed to set up a proper formula where in funds flow in automatically. The Al-Qaeda was considered to be favourite among a section of the rich Muslims present in various parts of the world and these persons continued to pump in the funds more on sympathetic grounds. The Lashkar is now trying its best to attain that status. It may have announced itself on the world stage after the 26/11 attack, but does realise that attacking nations other than India on a more regular basis will give it the Al-Qaeda sort of status.

The Lashkar has been relying more on the money that it generates through drug lords and smugglers for its operations. This may have generated a lot of money, but it continues to be a risky proposition for the outfit and hence it would like to channelize more funds through donations.

The Lashkar has also been found to be setting more and more cells in Europe and is recruiting people for fidayeen missions which it plans on carrying out in different parts of the world.

The ambitions that the Lashkar is nurturing on the international circuit would not however mean that the threat perception for India comes down. India and Kashmir in particular will always continue to top the Lashkar’s priority list. The ISI which has been remote controlling the Lashkar feels that at any cost it cannot get out of Kashmir since this is something that keeps the outfit going in Pakistan at least. For the radicals in Pakistan the Lashkar needs to keep its interests alive in India failing which they could find the sympathy factor dwindling in their own country. Moreover the Kashmir battle is considered to be a freedom fight for Pakistan and hence the common man too in Pakistan would continue to support any group that is battling for Kashmir. Moreover any attack on the Indian soil will always be given the Kashmir spin and the act becomes completely justified then for them.

While India will have to deal with this menace the world too needs to prepare itself for the Lashkar assault. According to Ashley J Tellis, Senior Associate South Asia Program, Carnegie Endowment, the Lashkar is a formidable and highly adaptable adversary with a genuinely global reach and the ability to grow roots and sustain operations in countries far removed from its primary theater of activity in South Asia. He also goes on to point out that they have a global vision and international ambitions which include- distinct ideology that underwrites Islamic revanchism, justifying collaboration with other terrorist groups, loyalty to Pakistan and willingness to protect its patron state against domestic opponents, diversified network for mobilizing resources, promoting its international presence, and recruiting members, which minimizes its dependence on the state and proficiency at exploiting science and technology, extra-national social links, and state vulnerabilities in order to advance its political aims.


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Nanjappa doesn't state it clearly but there are lot of parallel/contradictory thoughts in that article.

Lashkar cant hope to take up ALQ role as its a Pakjabi terrorist outfit depending on the Pakjabi TSPA and its branch ISI. Al Q had global origins and was funded by oil rich Arabs as their contribution to the Afghan jihad.


Further if LeT confines itself to attacks on India to keep the Cashmere flame alive ,then they become an India centric outfit and that is at variance with the Al Q khwabs.

All this means LeT is a Pakjabi terrorist outfit run by ISI against India.
All this international hulla is smoke and mirrors. Could be rangeen sapne by Nanjappa's interlocutors too.

ISI knows that if it goes against the West, they will be tandoored. Look what happened to their clown jewel David Headley urf Daoud Gilani. The minute he started looking at Denmark, he is now in prision in US with his buddy in jail too. Yes out of Indian hands now, but who knows what could happen latter.


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"Get Beant killer freed: Akal Takht to CM"

Sorry if it was missed, but has this disagreeable story hit any international news outlets? After all, the murdered leader in this case was Beant Singh, the democratically elected chief minister of Punjab, in Aug 1995.

Beant Singh was no Kim Jong Ill, Idi Amin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mabuto or SLORC(Myanmar). And no imperialist like Churchill or deGaulle. No Wen JiBao either. Even most of their deaths would be condoled if they died in that fashion( not Hitler of course).

Yet, he died a brutal death. Where is the outrage over the big fuss that is made over his killer's 'sacrifice' by the Akalis? It looks repulsive.

And instead of talking about eunuchs going to a festival, why hasn't AP( associated press) gone into this matter?


parochial behaviour. Others of similar mind ask for pardon for Kasab.


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Since this thread has now been locked for archiving, I thought we should see what has been happening in this 'case' under the leadership of the great UPA II.

The ATS had arrrested in 2006, three men: Shabbir Masiullah, Dr Salman Farsi and Zahid Abdul Majeed.

Later, there was a "U turn" when Swami Aseemanand (an "extremist" as he was fighting to stop the missionaries from converting the poor Dang Tribals in Gujarat) was arrested and later "confessed" that this was the work of saffron terrorists.

The latest is that the three men above are now SP Politicians and contesting the Malegaon Municipal Corporation elections.

As for the long suffering Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur and Lt Colonel Prasad Purohit, against whom not a shred of evidence has been made available despite several narco and brain mapping tests - are still languishing in jail without bail since 2008.

The latest BS theory being floated is that 'Hindu radicals hire Muslims for Malegaon blast' see this.

Ultimately, there will be no result of any investigation. Gujarat is incidentally now open and fair game for the EJs once again, as their principal opponent is in jail.

Meanwhile The Sachar Committee and Ranganath Misra reports have shown that the condition of Muslims is declining across the community. Therefore, they must vote for saviours like Mulayam and Diggy.


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PostPosted: 28 Mar 2012 19:38 
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Varoon Shekhar wrote:
"Get Beant killer freed: Akal Takht to CM"

Sorry if it was missed, but has this disagreeable story hit any international news outlets? After all, the murdered leader in this case was Beant Singh, the democratically elected chief minister of Punjab, in Aug 1995.

Beant Singh was no Kim Jong Ill, Idi Amin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mabuto or SLORC(Myanmar). And no imperialist like Churchill or deGaulle. No Wen JiBao either. Even most of their deaths would be condoled if they died in that fashion( not Hitler of course).

Yet, he died a brutal death. Where is the outrage over the big fuss that is made over his killer's 'sacrifice' by the Akalis? It looks repulsive.

And instead of talking about eunuchs going to a festival, why hasn't AP( associated press) gone into this matter?


parochial behaviour. Others of similar mind ask for pardon for Kasab.



Appeasing terrorists for political gain seems to be something all our political parties love to do.


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Per ToI the execution has been stayed. Nothing else to be said. Anarchy wins again.


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PostPosted: 28 Mar 2012 20:21 
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The Tibetan who immolated himself desperately protesting the Chinese communist occupation and absence of local democracy and freedom in Tibet, passed away. Meanwhile, the Akalis are busy protesting the death sentence of a terrorist who brutally murdered a progressive, democratically elected chief minister in Punjab. Not even a communist, monarchist, fascist, colonialist,theocrat, military ruler or strong man. Mind boggling!


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progressive, democratically elected chief minister in Punjab


Punjabis should be allowed to deal with this issue as they see fit. There were excesses on both sides during that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_ ... ice#Punjab


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But who was that other 'side', the Khalistan Commando Force, the Babbar Khalsa? Not exactly legitimate groups struggling for more democracy and pluralism, against a dictatorship. Things _might_ be different if Beant Singh were an Idi Amin or Kim Jong Ill etc.

Again, note the contrast between Tibet on the one hand, and Punjab( 80's,90's) and Kashmir on the other. In Tibet, it is all Tibetans who are dying, including from self immolation. Not even from 'stone throwing', which of course is hardly a benign activity. There are no Chinese airplanes being blown up, no Chinese governors( who are not democratically elected) being suicide bombed, no buses or trains full of non-Tibetans being machine gunned, no serial bombings of Chinese cities.

Just people desperately protesting the absence of freedom and democracy, by killing *themselves*. Astounding contrast.


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He was not the suicide bomber, the suicide bomber died along with Beant Singh. Rajoana was the standby.


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But who was that other 'side', the Khalistan Commando Force, the Babbar Khalsa? Not exactly legitimate groups struggling for more democracy and pluralism, against a dictatorship. Things _might_ be different if Beant Singh were an Idi Amin or Kim Jong Ill etc.


this is the view from Punjab.

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Beant Singh formed government in 1992 with support of the Congress party in Punjab. Most of the Punjab population boycotted the elections and he was elected on less than 10% of votes polled. During this time Director General of Police expanded upon a system of rewards and incentives for police to capture and kill militants, leading to a dramatic increase in disappearances and extrajudicial executions. Although all Sikhs were vulnerable to disappearance and killing, police especially targeted Amritdharis (Singhs/baptized Sikhs of the Khalsa), those who were politically active with the Akali Dal parties, and families and friends of alleged militants.[2]

By the end of the "Decade of Disappearances" in 1995, security forces had disappeared or killed tens of thousands of Sikhs. In order to cover up their crimes, Punjab security forces killed human rights defenders such as Jaswant Singh Khalra and Sukhwinder Singh Bhatti, as well as secretly cremated thousands of victims of extrajudicial executions between 1984 and 1995.[3]


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On March 23 2012, he was awarded the honor of "Living Martyr" by Akal Takhat, the highest temporal seat of the Khalsa. Dilawar Singh Babbar was awarded the honor of "National Martyr".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balwant_Singh_Rajoana


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The whole nature of that 'struggle' for Khalistan, as of Kashmir presently, was/is bogus, repellent and regressive. The short cuts the police took in Punjab was essentially a response to 1) the savagery of the insurgency itself and 2) the paralysis of the whole legal and judicial system, where witnesses and informers were being threatened or killed. In that environment, you can't expect the police to follow correct procedures and arrest each and every suspect, with a 'you have the right to remain silent.. and finally "book em Danno".

It wasn't one or two murders per year, as in the FLQ in Quebec. Rather, one or two, or more, thousand every year.

Also, the elections of 1992 did not receive a heavy turn-out, but the elections of 1993 certainly did, right at the village level.


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PostPosted: 28 Mar 2012 21:36 
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I know nothing about the Punjab of mid 1980s but I am sure of one thing.Encylopaedia Brittanica,Wikepedia,foreign media like BBC,NYT,Time are biased against India,Hindus,GOI,Congress and they have stooped to gutter levels and will stoop to gutter levels to defame India and sell their khalistani snake oil.Their propoganda is so full of venom and bias that any reporting by western sources should be thoroughly scrutinised.Infact,I would rather instinctively reject them and believe the very opposite of what they would like the 'world to believe'.

Why on earth should Beant Singh/KPS Gill have had anything against keshdari sikhs?The Punjab Govt put an end to marauders/extortionists/hoodlums/anarchists who had been unleashed by the khalistani movement was the consensus view.


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vera_k wrote:
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progressive, democratically elected chief minister in Punjab


Punjabis should be allowed to deal with this issue as they see fit. There were excesses on both sides during that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_ ... ice#Punjab



This is bound to impact death row residents from cashmere and pakiland as well as some convicted "dravidian" friends.


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What the non-Sikh Indians perceive to be reality is vastly different from what the average Sikh in rural punjab perceives as the truth. They believe to this day that the marauders/extortionists/hoodlums/anarchists were police "cats" who were out to discredit the movement. Since the Khalistani movement was religion-based and against a secular state, the Govt of the day was also fighting against a religion or against significant aspects of it. But the latter was obviously denied in Indian media that the Indian state was 'almost' fighting against a religion, they made it out that it was just a few miscreants (Khalistanis) and the rest were a "peaceful majority". Amritdhari sikhs were the foremost and most prominent symbols of the Sikh religion and were thus targeted by the police during the 80s and early 90s. If Sikhs felt religiously distinct and wanted to stay distinct from a secular country with no particular emphasis on religion and Sikhs on the other hand want to make religion their national identity, then govt has to fight against the identity. I think that's what happened in the 80s. Only those on the ground in Punjab during those days, today in their 40s and 50s can give an accurate picture.


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I say this as a Punjabi Khatri who has Sikh In-Laws (Jutts) and whose paternal grandfather was the younger sibling of a sikh.

Your view is wrong. I have attended too many cop funerals (mostly Sikhs) in the late 80s and early 90s to swallow that. Ask the Hindu Population of even a cosmopolitan city like Chandigarh, where no one stepped outside their homes after dark (like the middle ages) and these are Punjabi Hindus, not UP/Bihar people who perpetrated 84 riots. Further, I have also had the misfortune of attending the funeral of my Father's colleague, M L Verma, Additional principal secretary to Bhajan Lal,his wife, and young son (a boy) in Feb'92 (I was 14 then). He was murdered near kakkar mazra. His second boy barely made it. I wonder what kind of life he would have had. I know I have never recovered from it.

What great point was being made by killing women and children like this, only they would know. But "Tractor tanks" (for night raids) were used to kill so many Militants that they ran out of steam. Terrorists are funny in that way, kill a very large number of them and they suddenly become reasonable.

You can only end terrorism by killing terrorists. That's exactly what was done. By the largely Sikh Police.

And lastly, most of the informers for the police were also Sikhs. They were ultimately harassed by those they were giving 'shelter' and lost faith in the 'movement'.

Although I don't dislike Badal, (his constituency was next to my Mother's native Gidderbaha), at some point the Akalis will have to contend with what I like to call Punjab's "Mayawati Moment". Punjab has the highest % of scheduled castes in India.


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not UP/Bihar people who perpetrated 84 riots. .


Manu ji , From where did you get the above story ? This is simply not true.Bulk of riots happened in Delhi and most of those who participated in these riots were not from UP/Bihar.

H.K.L Bhagat was a punjabi Hindu.Jagdish Tytler is again a Punjabi.Sajjan Kumar is from Delhi itself. People of UP/Bihar were and are mostly neutral towards sikhs.


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^^

The people that took parts in the 84 riots in Delhi were not Punjabi Hindus either. I was in Delhi then, in one of the west Delhi localities to be precise. The profile of the rank and file of the 84 rioting mob is well known.


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Darshhan ji, it would be better if you ask any Delhi based Sikhs. I stand by my assertion.

Being "from Delhi" is meaningless. There are 30 lakh people from Bihar alone in Delhi.


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To be fair, Bihari/UP migrants were not part of the rioting mobs.


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To be fair, Bihari/UP migrants were not part of the rioting mobs.


May be some from the religion of peace?


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Sankuji,

No. Followers of religion of peace are ghettoed only in few pockets in Delhi and they don't posses the numbers and the logistics. Read Darshan's post above. One of the ring leaders name is a dead give away.

Between my dad's posting in Delhi and my professional stint there, coincidentally I've spent around 15 years in and around 2-3 localities in West Delhi. And I've seen the demographic changes also (most of the 80s and the last decade). In 80s there were simply not enough outsiders in such concentrations to undertake rioting of that scale. On the other hand, Punjabi Hindus in those areas are what you'd categorize as typical middle class families.

Sirji, think logically...midddle class folks don't go around rioting and migrants in small numbers (as said in 80s there were not much) from far off states are there for their daily breads.

I think I've given enough hints.


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vera_k wrote:
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Punjabis should be allowed to deal with this issue as they see fit. There were excesses on both sides during that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_ ... ice#Punjab


Vera_k: So a murderer to be let off since there were other wrong-doers?

And what is this 'Punjabis'? SGPC is using its communal bent to get someone off. It does not mean 'Punjabis'.

What is both sides - Terrorists and govt? So, you might as well let go of Afzal, Kasab, and those Rajiv killers.


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this is the view from Punjab.

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Beant Singh formed government in 1992 with support of the Congress party in Punjab. Most of the Punjab population boycotted the elections and he was elected on less than 10% of votes polled. During this time Director General of Police expanded upon a system of rewards and incentives for police to capture and kill militants, leading to a dramatic increase in disappearances and extrajudicial executions. Although all Sikhs were vulnerable to disappearance and killing, police especially targeted Amritdharis (Singhs/baptized Sikhs of the Khalsa), those who were politically active with the Akali Dal parties, and families and friends of alleged militants.[2]

By the end of the "Decade of Disappearances" in 1995, security forces had disappeared or killed tens of thousands of Sikhs. In order to cover up their crimes, Punjab security forces killed human rights defenders such as Jaswant Singh Khalra and Sukhwinder Singh Bhatti, as well as secretly cremated thousands of victims of extrajudicial executions between 1984 and 1995.[3]


I will not forget my view of Punjab - the tense moments of not knowing the fate until one heard back on safe arrival of the loved one (or self). The Khalistanis were pulling out all non-Sikhs from buses and shooting them. Does this view from Punjab also take that into consideration? How many 1000s were killed by the terrorists?

So, yes punish those who did excesses but do not absolve the terrorists.


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Per ToI the execution has been stayed. Nothing else to be said. Anarchy wins again.

We can forget any more judicial executions in this country. The last fellow to hang Dhananjoy Chatterjee hung from the gallows because he had no political clout. Even worse criminals, terrorists etc. would now have fun time in the prison surviving on money without doing an honest day's job. These folks in Punjab have just given ideas to Jehadi and LTTE sympathisers. Kasab may demand chicken biriyani and more dishes after hearing that he is not going to die any time soon.


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Overheard online that the GoI may now have to give contracts to supari-heroes like Bob Biswas to execute the darned terrorists on our death row....


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SRoy ji and Manu ji , First of all I never intended to say that Punjabis were involved in rioting.To make it clear once more , Punjabi Hindus were not involved in rioting i.e they did not make the masses of rioting public.I just pointed out the origins of the ringleaders.

Now the question is who made up bulk of these rioteers.Well let me try to explain the best I can.I belong to eastern delhi.This part comprises of areas like Trilokpuri,Patparganj etc which were the worst affected parts of Delhi.It is the from among the inhabitants of these areas who took part in these riots.Again who were these inhabitants ? They were not UP Bihari public.SRoy ji is completely right when he says that in 1984 UP bIHAR population was very less in Delhi.

It is the community which controls and dominates these areas even today. I will not mention the name of community in this forum since even from that community only a small percentage actually participated in riots.So there is no point in maligning the whole community. I will give you a hint though.The community name starts with V. Most of them are from Delhi and adjoining areas.Anyone from east Delhi who has some knowledge of local areas can attest this.

Similar is the case with the other affected areas.

Most People of UP and Bihar have no ill feelings towards Sikh community.

One point that I would like to make is that UP and Bihar compose of almost 300 million people. They are further divided into many subregions.Hence I do not think if one can generalise and stereotype them to fit a particular pattern of behaviour.


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Did Veerashaivas riot in Delhi in 1984? Is there any reason for this veil of secrecy surrounding the rioters? BRF is getting increasingly difficult to follow and understand with "innuendos", "hints", "sourcespeak", "chaipaanwalaspeak" etc. Seems sometime there is more fruitful discussion on Chamundi express and Bengaloru-Mysuru push-pull. Sorry for rant, slow day.


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something is really rotten in Punjab, it seems to be a vestige of the 80s and 90s. Here in 3 videos, there are one set of politicians/shiv sainiks/thugs who are non-sikhs taking cover behind police lines and taunting sikh mobs. The police seem to carry them along or are disinterested to rein them in. Who are these guys, they are seen in first video esp who leads the party that specializes in provoking the mob in white kurta pyjama.





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Did Veerashaivas riot in Delhi in 1984? Is there any reason for this veil of secrecy surrounding the rioters? BRF is getting increasingly difficult to follow and understand with "innuendos", "hints", "sourcespeak", "chaipaanwalaspeak" etc. Seems sometime there is more fruitful discussion on Chamundi express and Bengaloru-Mysuru push-pull. Sorry for rant, slow day.


ManjaM ji , Sorry.Never meant to be cryptic.But the problem is people are very quick to stereotype.Even though only a small fraction was involved , the whole community will be tagged unjustly.Just see how people are ever so ready to generalise UP Bihar population/North east/etc.

By the way it is not Veershaivas.By the way Trilokpuri and adjoining areas are the strongholds of Valmikis.


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they also go by bhangi, and IIRC a lot of them were butchers specializing in pork since it was no-go for muslims. Meo's, Gujjars are the mainly violent groups in Delhi.

suspects list:

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TRILOKPURI

BLOCK 5

1. Papita, a gangster

BLOCK 12

2. Brahmni (Mishrani) Shastri

BLOCK 14

3. Baleshwar Bhrgi alias Bhalu
4. Bal Kishan

BLOCK 21

5. Bihari Dhobi

BLOCK 25

6. B. D. Sharma

BLOCK 27

7. Israi Ali alias Chunnu
8. Salim, a notorious criminal
9. Massa, charas smuggler

BLOCK 28

10. Yayiha Siddiqui, clinic owner on the main road of Block 27
11. Monu Singh, shopkeeper
12. Soni, railway employee
13. Mukesh

BLOCK 29

14. Mukri Master

BLOCK 30

15. Om Parkash alias Omi, mason
16. Ved Parkash, brother of omi and head mason by vocation
17. Noor Jahan
18. Karamat, cement-seller
19. Shabnam, owner of a TV shop
20. Damesh
21. Punju
22. Salim
23. Advas’s son in law (Abbas of Block 32)
24. Mukri, video shop owner
25. Hasin

BLOCK 31

26. Kamruddinm four-mill owner
27. Nayamat Ali
28. Neenav, tea shop owner
29. Dr. V. P. Singh
30. Duli Chand, local gangster
31. Rampal Saroj, Congress (I) leader
32. Gopal Singh
33. Kishori Lal and his four brothers, manely, Shravan, Shiya Chote and Kamal who are a
alleged to have brutally murdered four Sikhs, Hukam Singh, Teerath Singh,
Sajjan Singh and Soma Singh.
34. Jaggi Sansi and his wife, Draupdi
35. Kharak Singh Pradhan
36. Gaffar Khan, cement seller
37. Manu Sansi
38. Aasim
39. Somnath, alleged to have killed Hoshiar Singh (son of Milap Singh) alongwith three
other men after locking them in a room and setting it on fire
40. Ajit
41. Kadir
42. Monga
43. Sati
44. Telo Sansi, Draupdi’s sister
45. Rooplal, who is alleged to have murdered Labh Singh
46. Omi Chamar, cobbler
47. Murari, vegetable-seller with a shop in Block 31
48. Pehlvaan, brother of Rashid
49. Bachchan
50. Aziz
51. Ansar
52. Kallo Khan, dhaba-owner
53. Abbaas, cloth and shoe shop owner in Block 27
54. Dr. Lambu
55. Bhallo, boot legger
56. Kayamat Ali
57. Raju Bhangi
58. Jaggi
59. Bhaiyya
60. Murli Khan
61. Sher Khan
62. Raju Ram
63. Bedhu Ram, alleged to have killed in 31/99 and 32/97 Blocks

BLOCK 33

64. Pappu
65. Bhoom, local gangster
66. Gyani, student
67. Mohhamed, bicycle shop-owner
68. Birju
69. Zakir
70. Kamal Singh, rickshaw-owner
71. Munshi
72. Rashid, cycle Rickshaw shop-owner in block 32
98. Ganapt, shop-owner
99. Piriya, Gujarati
100. Gurbat Bhai
101. Islam
102. Rao
103. Changa Doctor
104. Omi three-wheeler driver
105. Garib Das
106. Dharmanand, kerosene-shop owner

BLOCK A-5

107. Hasla Ram
108. Mangla
109. Satbir
110. Salam

BLOCK B-1

111. Pal Brahman
112. Shambhu
113. Kheesamvaija
114. Kumar

BLOCK C-3

115. Gopal and brother
116. Tiwari
117. Raghubir and Bangi
118. Pratap Bhangi
119. Vajuje

BLOCK C-4

120. Barji Lal and his son
121. Kala Ram and his two son
122. Prem Singh Muchiwala, property dealer
123. Jai Kishen Bhangi
124. Danny
125. Pappu
126. Mohan Lal, son of Thekedar Komal

BLOCK P-3

127. Taar Chand, Carpenter
128. Master, kerosene shop-owner
129. Radhe Shyam, mechanic
130. Babu Lal, vegetable-seller
131. Sikander’s brother
132. Gulab Singh, godown-owner

MONGOL PURI

133. Hardwari Lal, Mandal Pradhan
134. Narendra Singh, Congress (I) worker
135. Salim Quereshi, Congress (I) worker
136. Shaukeen, Congress (I) worker
137. Rajinder
138. Shiv Charan

MAUJPUR, GHONDA

140. Biro Joginer, kerosene shop owner
141. Trilok, flour mill-owner
142. Gupta, paper-seller
143. Delu Ram, tailor
144. Bhola Doodhwala
145. Balbir Doodhwala’s son
146. Prem Nai
147. Gyan Malwai
148. Natgayan’s son

SHAKAR PUR

150. Bhatia, Congress (I) worker
151. Dogra, Congress (I) worker
152. Singh, Congress (I) worker
153. Lakshmi dhoban
154. Aswani, Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) worker
155. Satpal, hotel-owner
156. Ashok Kumar, flour mill-owner
157. Ram Niwas Sharma
158. Rohtas Singh of Shkarpur village

KHAJURI KHAAS

159. Kadam Singh, Panchayat Chief
160. Kadam Singh’s nephews
161. Nambat Singh, ration shop-owner
162. Sham Lal, retired assistant sub-inspector
163. Jai Singh, kerosene shop-owner
164. Jugnu
165. Parsa

JANAKPURI

166. Pratap, Chief of the village administrative body, Sagarpur, who is alleged to have killed 22 people

BLOCK C

167. Dabbu Bhangi
168. Kalia Bhangi
169. Upli Bhangi
170. Son Sassi
171. Mohan Sassi
172. Raju Bhangi
173. Malaram, who distributed kerosene oil free to the killers

MANDAVALI-UNCHPUR

175. Sachdeva, property-dealer
176. Raj Kalia, cement-seller
177. Gupta, grocery shop-owner
178. Ram Prakash, worker in a khadi shop
179. Dharampal
180. Kishen Dutt
181. Babu Das
182. Joshi

RAJ NAGAR

183. Balwant Khokar
184. Mohinder Singh Baragdola
185. Iswar Chand Sharma
186. Pandit Ram Niwas
187. Pandit Tara Chand

SADAR BAZAR

188. Kamal Dhobi
189. David, son of the Dhobi
190. Vinayak and his family members

AZAADPUR INDUSTRIAL AREA.

191. T S Bedi, factory owner

POLITICIANS

This list includes people who instigated violence and later protected the criminals

H K L BHAGAT, Information and Broadcasting Minister
It is learnt that he influenced the decision to release some mobsters from the Shahadra Police station on November 5.

BABURAM SHARMA, Municipal Corporation Member (Ward No. 58)
He is a confidant of Mr. Bhagat’s. The allegations against him are : He led the violent mob on a motorbike and mike in hand and is responsible for killings in Baabarpur, Chajupur, Maujpur and Ghonda in East Delhi.

SAJJAN KUMAR, Congress (I) MP
It is alleged that he gave a hundred rupees and a liquor bottle each to the killers.

LALIT MAKEN, Congress (I) Party Trade Union Leader and Metropolitan Councillor.
It is alleged that he distributed money and liquor bottles to the mob and an Ambassador car, said to be his, was seen at Azadpur on Grand Trunk road four times during the violence and the mobs were given instructions by the car occupants.

DHARAMDAS SHASHTRI, Congress (I) MP from Karol Bagh
He is alleged to have provided the list of Sikh houses and shops with electoral roll as the source. According to press reports of November 5, 1984, he is also alleged to have pressurised police officials in Karol Bagh police station to release from custody those arrested for the anti-Sikh violence.

JAGDISH TYTLER, Congress (I) MP.
He intruded into press conference of the Police Commissioner, Mr. S C Tondon, on November 6 and told him, by arresting my men you are obstructing the relief work for the victims.

MAHENDERA SINGH, Metropolitan Councillor.
It is alleged that he, alongwith Dharamdas Shastri, was seen going around with electoral rolls (used to identify Sikh houses) in Prakash nagar.

MANGATRAM SINGAL, Municipal Corporation Member, (Ward No.32)
He is alleged to have been in the company of Dharmadas Shastri during the violence.

Dr. ASHOK KUMAR, Municipal Corporation Member, Kalyanpuri.
It is alleged that violence was sparked off after he held a meeting with Congress workers and supporters and that he was leading the crowd which indulged in large scale violence, including, killing, burning, looting and gang-rape of women.

SUKHANLAL SOOD, Metropolitan Councillor.
Eye witness accounts allege that he led the violent mob and that he brought lists of Sikh houses and petrol (used to burn Sikhs alive) to the scene of violence. Later, when he went to the Shakarpur relief camp to distribute food AND sweets to the survivors, some women recognised him and had him chased out of the camp.

JAGDISH CHANDER TOKAS, Municipal Corporation Member, Munirka, Ward NO. 14.
He is alleged to have led the violent mob in sector 4 and 5 of R. K. PURAM.

ISHWAR SINGH, Municipal Corporation Member, Mongolpuri, Ward NO. 37.
He is alleged to have led the violent mob in Mongolpuri.

BALWANT KHOKAR, Youth Congress (I) Leader, Delhi.
He is alleged to have instigated the violent mob in Palam Colony.

FAIZ MOHAMMED, Youth Congress (I) Leader, Delhi.
Survivors in the Shakarpur relief camp and residents of Mongolpuri say that he was directly involved in the violence.

RATTAN, Delhi Youth Congress (I) Leader.
He is alleged to have been directly involved in the Palam Colony violence.

SATBIR SINGH, Youth Congress (I) Member.
He is alleged to have brought a busload of criminals to Guru Harkishen School in Munirka and participated in looting and burning the school down.

POLICE

This list includes police officials who ignored their duty, instigated violence and were directly involved in it.

MALHOTRA, Assistant Commissioner Police East Delhi.
He is alleged to have called the mob to the police station and told it that It “should have demolished the gurudwara as well (the mob killed……? Bhatia, a Sikh Congress worker). Besides, Malhotra is alleged to have accompanied the mob to the scene of violence. He was in a jeep, armed with a revolver, accompanied by two sten-gun wielding cops. Following him were two station wagons in which cans of petrol were kept. He is said to have handed over weapons to the mob and instigated the mob that came to the police station from Gurunangal Nagar and Lakshminagar.

JAI SINGH, SHO.
He is alleged to have told the mobs that they “have three days to kill and loot, free for all.”

RAVRAM MEHAR, SHO, Shankarpur.
He is alleged to have identified Sikh houses and shops.

HARIRAM BHATTI, SHO, Sultanpuri.
He is alleged to have disarmed Sikhs of their small weapons of defence and On November 2, personally killed some Sikhs. Also , on November 3 and 4, he made Sikh men cut their hair on gunpoint.

ROHTAS SINGH, SHO, Sadar.
He is alleged to have personally indulged in burning down Sikh houses.

SHOORVIR SINGH, SHO, Kalyanpuri.
He reached Trilokpuri at 2.30 p.m. on November 1 when violence was on, is alleged to have ordered two constables on duty there to go away, thus giving the mob a free hand at violence.

R.D. SINGH, Sub-Inspector, Durgapuri.
According to survivors in the Loni Road, Gurudwara relief camp, Singh instigated the mob and personally beat to death some Sikhs.

SHO, R.K. Puram and Constable on duty.
When people from Sector 4 asked the duo for help to save a Sikh family in their area are alleged to have denied help and goes on to say, ” Sikhs should be finished.”

Following is a list of police officials who instigated and participated in the violence in the areas under their control.

TYAGI, SHO, Trilokpuri
RANA, Inspector, Trilokpuri
MOOLCHAND, Sub-Inspector, Trilokpuri
BAKSHI, Assistant Sub-Inspector, Trilokpuri
RAJVIR SINGH, Head Constable, Kalyanpuri (posted in Trilokpuri)


- source: Sarkari Qatl-e-aam by Sardar Gurcharan Singh Babbar


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yup , valmikis and bhangis are the same.


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Indian Mujahideen-What are we doing?

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Masterminds: From left: Riyaz Bhatkal, Iqbal Bhatkal, Abdus Subhan, Safdar Nagori

We have seen arrests galore and the police from each state has a different version to the working of the Indian Mujahideen. On one hand after a couple of arrests the police claim that they have cracked a particular case, but the matter never seems to reach the logical end when the battle for conviction is fought before the court.

Looking at the various cases that are being handled by the police departments one could easily say that the conviction rate has been a zero and this is not a pretty picture that is being painted.

Look at the manner in which the events have unfolded in the year 2012. The year began with the Delhi police arresting four IM operatives who according to the police had confessed that they had executed the Chinnaswamy stadium blasts in Bangalore. Then came another revelation that 13/7 blasts were executed by a module led by Yaseen Bhatkal. Ironically this is not something that the Maharashtra ATS agreed with and continues with their own probe into the case.

After this 7 seven members of the IM were arrested in Tamil Nadu and it was claimed that Yaseen managed to give the slip. This was then followed by the arrest of Habib Phalai in Uttar Pradesh and he was made an accused in the Ahmadabad serial blasts case. During these investigations the police claimed that the IM had planned on targeting various high profile institutions such as the BARC and also the DRDO.

A couple of weeks later the police claimed that two IM operatives Salman and Shahzad had confessed to their role in the Delhi serial blasts and had procured explosives through Karnataka.

There were a couple more arrests and these were in connection with the Bangalore serial blasts case and also the Ahmadabad blasts case. This was followed up by the arrests of Mohammad Anjuman in connection with the Jama Masjid case, Talha Abdali for being the founder member of the IM and Mohammad Kafeel for being a recruiter.

Today the Maharashtra ATS which has carried out a couple of arrests claims that these youth were linked to the Gujarat blasts and had also planned on carrying out the assassinations of the three judges who delivered the verdict in the Ayodhya title suit case.

While these arrests look good on paper the question that one needs to ask if we have managed to solve the real problem of terrorism. There have been mixed reactions to these arrests. Some have been genuine one and some a case of mistake identity. The real battle according to experts will be won only when the police convert the arrests into convictions in courts. The police were caught in a very embarrassing situation during the Mecca Masjid case when all the youth that they had apprehended were cleared by the court.

A senior police officer says that in the court there are documents of proof which are sought and more often than not the police are unable to provide the same. Cases have started off on one theory and as the years go by the theory begins to change and by the time the matter reaches the court the prosecution has hardly a case on them. A member of the prosecution too points out that more often than not the police has theory on them and this is not good enough in the courts.

The police have found themselves groping for answers on the modus operandi and also the forensic evidence which they have not been able to prove before the court. One problem is that they take too long to understand the case and by the time the arrests are carried out most of the proof would have vanished. It has happened in all the recent cases of terrorism that the country has been rocked with. The problem begins with sharing of intelligence. We have seen many a time the blame game which occurs post every terrorist attack. However once the damage is done there is utter confusion and police teams have on most ocassions not coordinated and have worked independently. Some feel that the introduction of an NCTC may actually do the job as there is a dire need for terrorism probes to be more centralised in nature as it does not lead to any confusion.

Looking at the case of the IM one can see how the theories have been floated and also the manner in which a new version comes out with each arrest. In the past five years we have seen at least 5 different masterminds of the outfit. It started with Safdar Nagori who started the radical SIMI which turned into the IM. Then came Riyaz Bhatkal who was followed by Abdus Subhan. While Riyaz’s name did the rounds for sometime, the police then went on to state that the organisation was taken over by Iqbal Bhatkal. However today the name on everyone’s lips is Yaseen Bhatkal. Barring Nagori, the rest are all absconding and at the end of each probe the police take the name of the mastermind and wind up by stating that once he is arrested the case would attain a closure.

Have the police probed these incidents in a lazy manner or has the IM outwitted them? It could be a case of both. Looking at the manner in which the police are looking into these cases it is evident that they have not understood the modus operandi of the IM entirely. The IM too has surfaced in bits and pieces and has safeguarded their main persons with aliases such as Sharukh Khan which was used by three members. In addition to this the police are also faced with a major problem when one of these operatives leave the country immediately after an attack. Finding an IM member in Pakistan is as good as impossible and the probe comes to a stand still in such an event.

A senior official says that in order to bust such groups there is a dire need for immediate reaction. We need to seriously build up a thorough data base on such elements. A mere ban will not be enough and that comes more into play when these members are running in between countries. An outfit like the IM creates more of a problem from within the country and hence our home security, coordination and intelligence sharing ought to be intact in order to convert the arrests into convictions.


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Maybe the theories are all correct. It could be a leadership in transition. The fact that the IM leaders run to TSP shows the hand of an intelligence network in organizing the IM gang.
The police are treating it as crime while its an intel/covert op of irregular warfare run from TSP using local elements.
And the constant speeches by Doggy Singh also makes it suspect.


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Kerala fishermen's killings: Italian ship may leave against Rs 3 crore bond
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Nearly six weeks after marines on board the Enrica Lexie killed two fishermen, mistaking them for pirates, the Kerala high court on Thursday cleared the decks for Italian tanker Enrica Lexie to leave Kochi if the ship's owners furnished a bond of Rs 3 crore.

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The Italian marines, however, were still under arrest, pending further hearings of the tria


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