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A_Gupta wrote:
The baby boomers are now well into retirement saar. The generation that followed them are carrying a different set of baggage.
As per Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer
The United States Census Bureau considers a baby boomer to be someone born during the demographic birth boom between 1946 and 1964.[9] The Census Bureau is not involved in defining cultural generations.
Some people say 1961 instead of 1964. President Obama is a baby-boomer or just on the edge of it.
The baby boomer generation will be ruling class until 2020.
After that the children of the boomers will form the impression.
These impression are being created now - 911, Jihad, Iraq War, Afgan wars , Times square bombing etc. You should be able to create a picture of what thier world view will be.
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There was book on Generations in the Book Review thread. It pays to read the reviews if not the book. Whats the point of bring the water (book reviews) when no one wants to drink it(read atleast teh book reviews) even if they are thirsty(desirous of knowing)!
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chetak wrote: The amrekis approached the GOI to grant them free use of Vishakapatnam for their use against the russians like they finally wound up using bases in pakiland for their U2 flights and other shady activities. It was only after the GOI refused that they set up in pakiland. A right royal mess has followed since then as we all know.

The oldies who sometimes discussed this topic at the bar were generally three sheets in the wind, so I did not pay much attention at that time. That was years ago. Some of these guys have even passed on since. At that time many of those dedicated barflies used to conclude discussions by saying that that had the deal actually gone through we would all have been driving amreki cars, drinking amreki booze and smoking amreki cigarettes.
I have no information on this, but I will speculate. Of course India did cooperate somewhat with the US against China - allowing them to put a nuclear powered something in the Himalayas.

And I am sure that it is not beyond the realms of possibility that some US entity would have asked for Indian facilities. But seeing the way big powers operate - particularly the US I suspect such a story could have possible twists.

As far as I know, the US knew from day 1 (from the British) that Pakistan would be a pliable client state. On the other hand, they probably wanted to see if they could get India too under their wing. Another possibility is that they did not want to spoil relations with India by allying with Pakistan and resorted to a diplomatic trick in which they would have demanded unreasonable access to something in India (say Vizag) knowing that no Indian would be able to accept that demand. After getting a perfectly predictable refusal from India they could honestly say "We asked the Indians for help first. They refused, so we then went to Pakistan. Don't blame us for having close relations with Pakistan"
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OT, but another article about the generation gap.

A Generation Gap Over Immigration
Demographically, younger and older Americans grew up in vastly different worlds.
baby boomers and older Americans — even those who fought for integration — came of age in one of the most homogenous moments in the country’s history.
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America's New Anti-India Backlash
Accusations that an Arkansas election candidate profited from outsourcing reflects problems that will strain U.S.-India relations, writes David Karl
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/c ... 405539.htm
By David J. Karl

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The increasingly bitter contest over the Democratic Party's nomination for the Arkansas Senate seat now held by Blanche Lincoln offers a preview of the problems that will increasingly strain U.S.-India relations. A business advocacy group, Americans for Job Security, is running television ads attacking Lincoln's challenger, Lieutenant Governor Bill Halter, for profiting from a software company called WebMethods that supposedly outsourced U.S. jobs to India. With Indian music playing in the background, one of the ads features several Indians thanking Halter for sending jobs to Bangalore.

Although Lincoln has condemned the ads as racially offensive, her campaign has distributed mailers, emblazoned with pictures of the Taj Mahal, making the same charge. Halter has denied the accusations.

The events in Arkansas highlight a looming but largely unnoticed challenge for policymakers in Washington and New Delhi. India's ascent as an emerging economic power has brought strategic benefits for a U.S. seeking a geopolitical counterweight to Chinese power in Asia. But India's rise—particularly its role as the world's top outsourcing destination—also means Americans will more and more come to view India as an economic rival, just as Japan was regarded in the 1980s and China is perceived today.

EARLIER CAMPAIGN RHETORIC
The rumblings have been going on for a while. A notable upsurge in opposition to the outsourcing of work to India occurred during the 2004 Presidential campaign, reaching a high point with John Kerry's calling business leaders engaged in corporate outsourcing "Benedict Arnold CEOs."

President Obama also regularly speaks of India as a competitive threat. Following up his rhetoric during the 2008 Presidential campaign, Obama's economic stimulus package last year included a provision restricting the H-1B temporary visa program for skilled foreign workers, many of whom are Indians. He has also proposed tightening tax penalties on corporate outsourcing, vowing to rectify a tax system that "says you should pay lower taxes if you create a job in Bangalore, India, than if you create one in Buffalo, New York." The remark touched off a furor in India, with one leading newspaper declaring that the President has an unfortunate tendency to use Bangalore as "a catch-all term to hang U.S. economic woes on."

A populist backlash against the perceived ill-effects of India's economic rise will become stronger and more broadly entrenched in the coming years as American companies increasingly move to take advantage of the country's expanding commercial opportunities and cost advantages. Even as they retrench at home, for example, U.S. auto manufacturers are expanding production facilities in India, both to serve that country's exploding auto market and to build it up as a global export hub. Last year, the U.S. Homeland Security Dept. warned that the loss of such manufacturing capacity to India could trigger outbreaks of radical extremism. Adding to the anti-Indian recoil are concerns that a good part of recent U.S. productivity gains were created by companies moving more production overseas rather than improving efficiency of workers at home.

COLLEGE GRAD ANXIETIES
India's emergence as a global technology hub will also generate a political counterreaction. The country is steadily enhancing its comparative advantage in sectors characterized by high-end technological development and skilled labor—areas Americans reflexively regard as U.S. core competencies. Unlike earlier backlashes against globalization, in this one college graduates and even the holders of advanced degrees are worried about their futures and India will increasingly become a target of their fears. The term "Bangalored" has entered the lexicon of Silicon Valley to denote the outsourcing of high-tech jobs.

Obama's health-care reforms also promise to sharpen the outsourcing debate, as U.S. insurance companies, pushed to cut administrative costs, send more IT work to India. As the Economic Times, an Indian business daily, reports, Obamacare gives the outsourcing industry "its biggest bonanza yet ….The opportunity that it throws up for outsourcers is huge and far bigger than the Y2K [computer glitch], which included only changing code."

India's growing prosperity will create major opportunities for home-grown and multinational businesses alike. But as events in Arkansas underscore, there is a political flip side of this development that will be problematic as leaders in both countries seek to enhance bilateral economic partnership.

David J. Karl is president of the Asia Strategy Initiative, a consultancy based in Los Angeles. He recently served as project director of the Bi-national Task Force on Enhancing India-U.S. Cooperation in the Global Innovation Economy, jointly sponsored by the Pacific Council on International Policy and the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christoph ... 74009.html
India's grandest eminence outside the subcontinent is satisfied that we've all absorbed the news that behind the modern Bangalore boom lie 3000 years of an "accounting culture" and India's own imperial trading history. The name of Singapore, he notes, comes from the Sanskrit for "City of Lions." So "all those people who say: the West is materialist and business-oriented, Indians are spiritualist and thought-oriented, are talking absolute nonsense." Neither are those "new" Indian stakes in software and biotech all that new, or all that Indian. Many of the great Indian success stories were incubated in Silicon Valley, starting in the 1950s, and at MIT, where Nehru got the model of the endlessly fertile Indian Institutes of Technology. So Kipling is dead and buried; the twining of East and West, the meeting of the twain, is no surprise anymore. The unfolding story, in Amartya Sen's telling, is Open India.

Part of the reflection of Open India is the willingness to accept that you don't have to belong to the mainstream [80-plus percent Hindu] in order to be counted as a genuine Indian. As Rabindranath Tagore said in two quite famous statements: one, that anything that we admire, no matter its origin, instantly becomes ours. And the other, similarly, that any person who comes from abroad and is ready to live the kind of life that people lead in India is instantly accepted as being Indian. Because a lot of Indians are going everywhere in the world, and they're traveling as a kind of modern Jew of the 20th century and 21st century, India doesn't get enough credit for the fact is that there has been more immigration into Indian than almost any country in the world -- for one thing, tens of millions of Bangladeshis. Even though people grumble about it... you don't see the kind of hysteria about it that's going on Europe, for example, or the United States. That anger may yet come, but it hasn't been a part of traditional India at all. The fact is the boundaries are porous between India and abroad and it's served India very well. I think Indian booming would not have happened but for the openness of the educational sector, of the high tech sector, and the big booms, the informational as well as biochemical and medical, have come very much from a dialectic interaction with the West.


Amartya Sen warned famously (five years ago) that India is at risk of becoming "half California, half Sub-Saharan Africa." To me he says he was offering tabloid India a caution, not a prediction. In conversation these days, Amartya Sen sounds half Victorian gent, half liberal social critic, but not a worried man -- not about India's engagement with the United States in Afghanistan, for example; and not urgently concerned about the decline of the once sacrosanct "village India." He doesn't "miss" village India, he said, "because it's not gone." From his father's house 100 miles from Calcutta, "I walk half a mile, and I'm in rural Bengal."
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SM Krishna readies for first India-US strategic talks
HRD minister Kapil Sibal, deputy chairman of planning commission Montek Singh Ahluwalia and foreign secretary Nirupama Rao have been confirmed. While strategic talks between the two democracies have taken place earlier, this will be the first ministerial-level dialogue. The Barack Obama administration is keen on transforming relations and expanding ties in key sectors such as education, agriculture and space. It has already completed strategic talks with China and Pakistan. Now it is India’s turn.

“The India-US agenda is quite rich but several key issues need to be sorted out. Outsourcing, technology transfer, popularising green technology as well as talks on nuclear cooperation, health and gender issues are all there. Counter-intelligence is another area where cooperation needs to zoom forward,” former ambassador to the US Naresh Chandra says.
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http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/may/ ... a-meet.htm
'India's concerns not addresed at the summit'
But what the diplomatic observers and experts were most chagrined over was how Obama in responding to the question by the Afghan journalist who complained that Pakistan was the root of all problems in Afghanistan seemingly gave Islamabad [ Images ] a pass, simply saying that Islamabad seems to now recognize that India is not the existential threat but the extremism and militancy within its own borders and at the crossroads of Pakistan and Afghanistan.Sumit Ganguly, professor of political science at Indiana University at Bloomington, who has become one of the most trenchant critics of the Obama administration's South Asia policy, particularly vis-à-vis India, complained that "Obama has done little or nothing to reach out to India."
"Even this latest response to the Afghan journalist's question (see separate story) seems to echo the claim of the (Pakistan president Asif Ali) Zardari regime that it is doing all it can to crush the Taliban,"Ganguly argued that "Obama's formulation that previous Pakistani regimes were in cahoots with the Taliban but have now turned a page is exactly what Islamabad, nay GHQ in Rawalpindi, would have us believe. Even Hillary Clinton's [ Images ] statements in the wake of the abortive bombing in New York City do not offer huge comfort to the Indians.""Even after the emergence of incontrovertible evidence linking the would-be bomber to training in Pakistan, she warned that 'severe consequences' would ensue if an attack in the US was linked to Pakistan," he said.Ganguly asked, "How much more evidence do we need of continued Pakistani dalliance with terrorists before the administration decides to adopt a more unequivocal stance on the matter?"He asserted that "at this stage, instead of pleading with the US to take the new regime's continued willingness to hunt with the hounds and run with the hares in Musharraf-like fashion, India should take its own steps to deal with Pakistan and decide on what role it wants to play in Afghanistan, now and in the future."
Ganguly said, "If India wants to be taken seriously as a great power it needs to act like one and not turn on bended knee to an administration that has evinced only cosmetic interest in India's role in the region and beyond. More photo-ops with Obama and dulcet words from the White House will do little to protect and advance India's national security interests."isa Curtis, who heads the South Asia Program at the conservative Washington think tank, the Heritage Foundation, said, "There was a notable difference in the tone of Obama's comments on Pakistan's role in fighting terrorism during his news conference compared to Secretary (of State, Hillary) Clinton during her interview with '60 Minutes' earlier. President Obama decided to accentuate the positive while Secretary Clinton emphasized the work that Pakistan still needs to do.""That does not mean that Secretary Clinton misspoke with her remarks, however. I believe her comments were part of a calculated message to Pakistan that the Times Square bombing attempt was a game-changer and that the US would be less patient with Pakistani reluctance to fully tackle the terrorism problem in the country," Curtis, an erstwhile South Asia analyst with the Central Intelligence Agency, said.Walter Andersen, associate director of the South Asian Studies Program at the Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, said, "The issue brought up by the correspondent from Ariana TV reflects a widely held view in Afghanistan that Pakistan is part of the problem."Andersen, an ex-State Department veteran, who final stint
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A-Gupta that is a treasure trove of American attitudes towards India over the long haul.

What one of the reports says about the regional difference in attitude towards Indian independence is correct. I had a History of India written by a Prof from Mid West who was very sympathetic to Indian aspirations. He also documented the pre-Independence contacts between Indian freedom fighters and elites in western states in US.

BTW I met his daugther in law who was working as an admin in Berkeley!
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gupta ji, thanks for that series of articles.
the time magazine articles around '65 '71 and '77 are a very good read too, you can have a look.
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One view on why the West favors Islam
But in the 20th century, the defeated Islam was coopted by the West for their own purposes:1) The oil finds resulted in the legitimization of brutish tyrants giving Islam immense monetary resources and a free hand to remain medieaval as long as they kept the pumping going. 2) Islam was used as an ally in the Cold War as a bulwark against India and the Soviets. 3) Islam was appeased in a “trade off” game by the Clinton-Albright clique by helping the Islamists against Serbia. The net result was an Islam awash with Geld and Gewaffe free to renew the Ummahian ambitions.

It is my theory that the bulwark of the West rests on a variety of Abrahamic constructs: 1) The Judeo-Christian thought (As Huntington has admitted) 2) Socialism in academic discourse. Both these are deep down at the axiomatic level are very compatible with Islam. This prevents a fundamental doctrinal attack on Islam in the West unless the West drops Abrahamism and returns to pre-Abrahamistic paganism. Thus the west allows this ambivalence about Islam- it is considered the black sheep of the Abrahamic family, but still within the family. And, they are all united in their visceral enemity to polytheism. The only hope for reform in Islam is the west cutting off support for Islam and allowing it to dismantle from within.

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ramana wrote:One view on why the West favors Islam
And, they are all united in their visceral enemity to polytheism.[/b]
And, who does he think is polytheistic I wonder?
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PSYOPS ALERT

http://video.whyy.org/video/1484111129/

A 1hr "documentary" titled "Independent Lens: Project Kashmir" is being aired on PBS TV stations across the US. Check your local listings for scheduled broadcasts. This is obviously an effort they have sunk quite some time and money into, and it is being widely broadcast to the core demographic of Obama supporters, possibly to effect a large scale manipulation of public opinion.

Please watch it... then go to the PBS websites, create your IDs, log on to their comments/discussion forums and do the needful.
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Blair steps down with “deep regret”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/lauraroze ... gret_.html
But despite his impressive military résumé and political ties, Blair lost a series of turf battles, and frequently appeared to have something of a tin ear for Washington political realities.

He seemed blindsided when his first choice to be chairman of the National Intelligence Council, Chas Freeman, a former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia and, like Blair, an expert on China, came under attack from pro-Israel groups and lawmakers who said Freeman was too critical of Israel and too close to the Saudis.

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In September, Blair lost a battle with CIA Director Leon Panetta over which of them should have the authority to assign station chiefs at U.S. embassies around the world.

But Blair was most out of step with the White House when he told Congress that an inter-agency high value interrogation group that hadn't been stood up yet should have been called in to interrogate Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian suspect in the attempted Christmas Day blowing up of a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. The administration said Abdulmutallab should be treated like a criminal and Blair later revealed that Abdulmutallab was giving information to the FBI.

In other Congressional testimony this year, Blair revealed the controversial information that an American-born Yemeni cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, linked to Abdulmutallab and the suspect in the November Ft. Hood shootings has been placed on the list of terrorism suspects targeted for assassination by the CIA.
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Beltway domino theory: On the departure of Admiral Dennis Blair

http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... nnis_blair
Quite the contrary, the tensions between Blair and CIA Director Leon Panetta and the degree to which the DNI and his bureaucracy either slowed intel flows and processes or failed to improve them to a degree worthy of their cost suggests a good hard look in the direction of this undoing of the Bush mistake would be warranted.

Next, it is the first rumbling of what could be a truly major restructuring of the Obama national security team in the next six or seven months. While Washington rumors are just about as dependable as Washington promises, there is widespread expectation that the post-midterm election period will see several major departures. Among these could be Gen. Jim Jones at the NSC and Defense Secretary Robert Gates. In the words of one senior official with whom I have spoken recently, they have offered Gates "everything but the kitchen sink to stay" but he has been intractable.

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Among the rumored replacements for Gates, by the way, we find not only Senator Jack Reed and former Senator Chuck Hagel, but because both have chinks in their armor -- Reed is a Democratic Senator from a state with a Republican governor meaning if he left his replacement might not be a Democrat and Hagel is smart and respected but has a reputation for being a bit challenging to deal with at times -- a new name has joined the list being buzzed about: Hillary Clinton.

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Facing a Rift, U.S. Spy Chief to Step Down

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/us/po ... intel.html
But Mr. Blair also fought battles inside the intelligence ranks. Last summer, he clashed with Leon E. Panetta, the C.I.A. director, over the appointment of the senior American spies overseas. Mr. Panetta went so far as to issue a memorandum to C.I.A. operatives telling them to disregard a directive that Mr. Blair had sent a day earlier.

Mr. Blair, a Navy officer for decades, considered Mr. Panetta’s move an act of insubordination, intelligence officials said.
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India's Spice Girls: American Culinary Superstars
Now, in their wake, comes a new tribe of lady toques far more rooted in the Raj than Escoffier. Indeed, from the kitchen to the wine cellar, TVs to PCs, Indian women have quietly emerged as America's newest foodie heavyweights. Led by cookbook author and television host Padma Lakshmi, Indian women chefs, sommeliers, writers and restaurateurs are proving a potent force in the male-dominated world of high-profile cuisine. See the top 10 food trends of 2008.)"Food is entrenched in our culture, in our families, in our history," observes master sommelier Alpana Singh, director of wine and spirits for Chicago-based Lettuce Entertain You restaurant group. "Cooking is not something sudden for us," she adds. "We're just expanding beyond our own community." What is new is the stature of South Asian women now embarking on high-profile culinary careers. Gone are the "auntie" archetypes like author Madhur Jaffrey, cooking comfort curries for the masses. In their place are globally minded pros like Singh — the youngest-ever woman to be named a master sommelier
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/travel/article ... z0oWwlRWov
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You can ask him in his blog. BTW what are your views on his main thesis and not peripheral remarks?
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US-India strategic dialogue from June 1 to 4

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 960311.cms
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US may overhaul export controls to up sales to India
Exploring avenues to boost its stagnant exports, the US is apparently mulling a complete overhaul of its export control policies this year, which might pave the way for sale of more high-technology goods to India and China, especially in the field of green energy.

"We are reviewing the entire list of our export control system as some of the protections and restrictions make very little sense," US Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke said here
US may lift technology export curbs
The United States is likely to overhaul its export policy by lifting controls on technology products, in a bid to boost sales to emerging economies such as China, India and Russia. The US, weighed down by rising imports and falling exports, is exploring avenues to boost its stagnant exports. A policy shift in Washington is likely to lead to China and India acquiring some of the latest US technology, which is currently blocked over intellectual property rights concerns.
"Currently, less than 1 per cent of US exports to China require a licence. Of those that do require a licence, 98 per cent are approved," China's official media quoted Locke as saying last night. He said the US expects such a policy change to increase its exports to emerging markets like China, India, Brazil and Russia.

Locke is in China to attend a two-day US-China Strategic and Economic dialogue starting 24 May. US seems desperate to push exports to China and India, which are huge markets for US technology products.
Signalling right intentions before strategic dialogue where this issue is bound to come up..
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Support N-liability bill for India's growth: PM

...and for America's as well... :twisted:
"We have the will to ensure that our country does have an effective nuclear liability compensatory arrangement. This we need if we have to become a major nuclear energy power," he told a press conference to mark the first year of his Congress-led government's second tenure.

Manmohan Singh felt that political parties who are "interested in India's growth and interested in ensuring that India's nuclear power programme moves forward will support this".
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The Robert Gates-Hillary Clinton axis

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37672.html
Gates, who has long signaled an eagerness to retire, just launched what appears to be his final initiative, a tough push to scale back the Pentagon’s gargantuan bureaucracy. Clinton, with her hawkish image and ties to Gates and to military brass, would be his most logical successor — and some of her most senior allies have begun quietly to float the notion.
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That would certainly be a shame, Bob Gates is of powerful stature and a visionary force in the Obama administration.
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The president at West Point: Half the ideas, half the calories

http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... e_calories
The president correctly said we need to grow stronger at home to lead in the world. But the administration has fostered burgeoning deficits and has shown precious little impulse beyond the mandatory convening of commissions to actually do the three things that are essential to fixing our problems at home: creating a new source of revenue (a value-added tax), cutting defense spending and cutting entitlement spending.

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The lines about innovation at home are starting to ring pretty hollow as comprehensive climate reform looks ever less likely and promises like doubling exports are not actually supported by little things like the remotest semblance of a trade policy.

The president said we need to build international institutions. But what that means is we need to selectively but clearly give up our dominant role in them, be willing to let foreigners make decisions to which we adhere, give the institutions true enforcement capabilities including the ability to commit troops to ensure, for example, that nuclear wannabes don't violate international law.

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Further, we can't credibly say we're for a strong international system and then vigorously oppose, as this administration has, the kind of strong new multilateral institutions we need to, for example, regulate international financial markets or do too little to support, as this administration has, ones we desperately need like one to protect our shared global environment.

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Want an innovative national security strategy? Start by living up to the promise of the president's earlier speeches rather than his recent penchant for slipping deadlines and dilutive compromises. Then recognize that we are going to have to narrow our ambitions, recognize the implications of our dwindling resources, move away from mid-century paradigms of American hegemony (or early 90s fantasies of same), find true partnerships with partners who are often rivals and often have values different from our own, establish principles wherein the use of force is not squandered on actions which have primarily domestic political goals but is available when needed, cut bureaucracy, cut duplication, recognize changing military paradigms.

America's new seeming embrace of the Predator drone as a manifestation and metaphor for the over-the-horizon, unmanned, white-collar-warfare policies we're comfortable with is shallow and deeply flawed, but at least it recognizes that the nature of warfare is changing in ways our budgets do not.

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That the situation on our border with Mexico and our relations in this hemisphere are, well, heading south... that the big relationships that we need for the future in places like China and India are evolving slowly and fitfully and without, it seems, any real vision... that hotspots like North Korea or with regard to Israel and its neighbors are deteriorating rapidly...

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From MEA's website

Visit of US Under Secretary for Political Affairs to New Delhi

Mr. William Burns, Under Secretary for Political Affairs, US Department of State visited New Delhi on May 24, 2010 for meetings with his counterpart, Foreign Secretary, Smt. Nirupama Rao.

Foreign Secretary and Under Secretary Burns reviewed the India-US bilateral agenda and, specifically, the progress made in the India-US Strategic Dialogue announced on July 20, 2009 by External Affairs Minister and US Secretary of State, Mrs. Hillary Clinton during the latter’s visit to New Delhi.

The substantive issues relating to the forthcoming visit of External Affairs Minister to USA from June 2-3, 2010 for the inaugural meeting of the India-US Strategic Dialogue in Washington were at the core of their discussions.

Intensified India-US co-operation in the five focus areas of strategic cooperation, energy and climate change, education and development, economic trade and agriculture constituted their main agenda. They also exchanged views on regional and global issues of shared interest and common concern.

Under Secretary Burns also called on Dr. Montek Singh Ahluwalia , Deputy Chairman, Planning Commission, H'ble Shri Prithviraj Chavan, Minister of State for Science and Technology and Shri Shivshankar Menon, National Security Adviser .

New Delhi
May 24, 2010
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When Passengers Spit, Bus Drivers Take Months Off

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/nyregion/25spit.html

We should use this article when Americans judge our manners and civility.
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If Gates says "goodbye" after Blair's departture,
the O Team will be up the creek, without a paddle,bailing out water, in total darkness occupants wearing earplugs unable to see or hear the roar of the Niagra approaching!

PS Elaborating:The O Team and its leader are so inexperienced,especially fighting Bush's Republican wars-now apparently without Gates too,part of the old experienced brigade who are being prevented from taking the hard decisions needed to end the US's role in the region.Here the end game is far more important than the first campaigns of invasions ,where no solution to ending the wars either militarily or diplomatically have been found thus far.To me the best way is to hand over the catastrophe to the UN and under UN auspices and a more neutral team of peacekeepers wind down the conflict and in the fullness of time establish some sort of genuine people's representation both in Iraq and Afghanistan.The US establishment's overriding strategic ambitions are the biggest obstacle to bringing in peace to the region,where the very presence of an infidel from the US is enough of a rallying cry to wage jihad against the "Crusaders" and their ilk.

The outsourcing of Afghanistan to Pak is the secret understanding between the US and Pak,with an acquiescient MMS being fobbed off with dinner and a few pleasantries.The next conflict on the agenda is Iran,where the US is under intense pressure from Israel to either neuter Iran or watch the Israeli's do it themselves.The US's spat with the current Israeli dispensation has ensured a veritable frothing cauldron of a witches brew.A huge US armada is being assembled in the Gulf which is sitting upon a tinederbox.If HIlary Clinton takes over security issues as well/from being Sec. of State,the setting would be perfect for a mediaeval "crusade" against the "Saracens" once more.
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>>If Gates says "goodbye" after Blair's departture, the O Team will be up the creek, without a paddle,bailing out water, in total darkness occupans wearing earlugs unable to see or hear the roar of the Niagra approaching!

Plij to elaborate
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shukla wrote:Support N-liability bill for India's growth: PM

...and for America's as well... :twisted:
"We have the will to ensure that our country does have an effective nuclear liability compensatory arrangement. This we need if we have to become a major nuclear energy power," he told a press conference to mark the first year of his Congress-led government's second tenure.

Manmohan Singh felt that political parties who are "interested in India's growth and interested in ensuring that India's nuclear power programme moves forward will support this".
... that too after BP's huge oil spill in uncle's own coast
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Ajai Shukla reports..

CISMoA or ..not??

US high-tech arms to India stumble on safeguards
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Army chief warns against govt-to-govt deals with US

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 970446.cms
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hmmm there goes the myth of great high touch after sales service and web based ordering of spares!

this is a radar system used by the US army at present. its not a special kit for us or a older system.
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A very serious situ and absolutely unprecedented for an Indian COAS to warn the GOI/MOD thus! It brings into serious question the wisdom of buying key weapon systems from the US (or for that matter any other nation under similar conditions) where the seller can welsh on the after sales service,etc., causing grievous damage to the security of the nation especially in times of crisis.What is the solution then?Hiring top lawyers and fighting another battle in the courts with the US govt! The only way to preserve the nation's interests is to have an equal transparent tender system where even the conditions of sale are examined from each manufacturer/nation.The current govt. of MMS is trying desperately to oblige its master,Uncle Sam,with huge promised purchases bypassing the entire defence procurement system,which is itself as slow as the proverbial tortoise.
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"Such congressional independent-mindedness threatens to detract from the legacy of perhaps the best defense secretary of all time. Expect Dr. Gates, who may be in the last year of the last job he'll ever have, to respond accordingly. "

EXcerpt:
Gates vs. Congress: The last crusade
Posted By Thomas E. Ricks Monday, May 24, 2010
By Travis Sharp

In his latest fusillade against Pentagonal inertia, Defense Secretary Robert Gates yesterday reiterated his commitment to "belt-tightening, making tough choices, and essentially refocusing available resources" within DOD's budget.

Gates has kicked up a lot of rhetorical dust in recent weeks by asking tough questions about the need for several high-priced weapons systems. Yet literal-minded defense wonks will tell you that Gates' stated objective is actually quite modest: cutting $10-$15 billion, a two percent smidgen of DOD's annual budget, in "overhead costs" and redirecting those savings toward force structure and modernization.

Though modest, Gates' agenda faces a foe that has inspired fear and loathing in many a defense secretary: the U.S. Congress during an election year. In a demonstration of the uphill climb Gates faces, the House Armed Services Committee last week added funding for several things the Pentagon didn't ask for, including an alternate engine for a Joint Strike Fighter program that is already under scrutiny for cost increases and schedule delays. Gates has threatened repeatedly to recommend that President Obama veto any bill that funds the alternate engine, but defense kingpins Sen. Carl Levin, Sen. Daniel Inouye, and Rep. Ike Skelton have all publicly voiced their dissent.

Such congressional independent-mindedness threatens to detract from the legacy of perhaps the best defense secretary of all time. Expect Dr. Gates, who may be in the last year of the last job he'll ever have, to respond accordingly.

Yet things on Capitol Hill aren't all bad. To dispel any sense that Congress is just hopelessly lousy and should stay away from defense policy -- in fact, an active and informed Congress is more important than ever in an era of creeping executive power-check out the details of the House Armed Services Committee's new authorization bill. There is some pretty cool stuff in there on an alternative career track for commissioned officers (as Abu Mook noted), Service energy initiatives, and bolstered counter-ideology and Special Ops activities.

Another thing to watch is Rep. Gene Taylor's determined effort to get the Navy to share with Congress its analysis of alternatives on the next generation ballistic missile submarine (SSBN-X) slated to replace existing Ohio-class subs. Taylor recognizes that the $85 billion SSBN-X fleet will make dollars scarce for other shipbuilding programs, including the surface combatants built in his district. He has been wondering aloud whether a smaller, cheaper Virginia-class-style submarine armed with a new, smaller ballistic missile could still provide the range, payload, and performance characteristics required for sea-based strategic deterrence. Just promise that you won't lead a crusade to fund an alternate submarine program, OK congressman?
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All of these developments substantiates the opposition to the nuclear deal with the US. If they can play their games with something as minor as fire finding radars, what will they do with something as important as nuclear reactors and India's energy security.

It is time to junk the nuclear liability bill as the government has produced.
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India, U.S. firm up agenda for dialogue
Ms. Rao and Mr. Burns reviewed the bilateral agenda and, specifically, the progress made in the India-U.S. Strategic Dialogue announced on July 20, last year during Ms. Clinton’s visit here, External Affairs Ministry said in a statement tonight. “The substantive issues relating to the forthcoming visit of External Affairs Minister to USA from June 2-3, 2010 for the inaugural meeting of the India-U.S. Strategic Dialogue in Washington were at the core of their discussions,” it said.

“Intensified India-U.S. co-operation in the five focus areas of strategic cooperation, energy and climate change, education and development, economic trade and agriculture constituted their main agenda,” the statement said. It added that Ms. Rao and Mr. Burns also exchanged views on regional and global issues of shared interest and common concern. Mr. Burns also called on Planning Commission Deputy Chairman Montek Singh Ahluwalia, MoS in the PMO Prithviraj Chavan and National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon.
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shukla wrote:Ajai Shukla reports..

CISMoA or ..not??

US high-tech arms to India stumble on safeguards

The expert with Indian name is US citizen and his advise is also pro-US yet is quoted in the Indian news report as if he were an Indian! Great going!

Same thing as Siddharth Vardarajan who raises US point of view questions as if he were an Indian.
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Singha wrote:hmmm there goes the myth of great high touch after sales service and web based ordering of spares!

this is a radar system used by the US army at present. its not a special kit for us or a older system.
I am told that the same problem exists with high-tech medical equipment. The prospective purchaser thinks the American specifications are superior and price is acceptable; but the hapless purchaser stumbles into the reality of very poor post-sales support. Since other multinationals are much better at this and since the hospital needs working equipment rather than great equipment sitting idle for the want of spare parts or service, the sales do not go to the American supplier.
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The present Indian government should not do any thing funny to break the tension between US and India.


Indian Lawmakers Pressed to Back Nuclear Liability Legislation
Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh yesterday urged lawmakers to pass legislation that would impose limits on the amount of damages that foreign operators of nuclear plants in the South Asian nation could be required to pay in the event of an accident, the Press Trust of India reported. The measure is required to implement a historic U.S.-Indian civilian nuclear cooperation agreement (see GSN, May 7).

Payouts for those atomic firms would be capped at $110 million under the Civil Liability for Nuclear Damage Bill; opponents of the measure have demanded a higher limit.

"All political parties interested in India's growth, interested in ensuring that India's nuclear power program moves forward will support it," Singh said.

"We have the need to ensure that our country does have an effective nuclear liability compensation arrangement. This we need if we have to become a major nuclear energy power," he said. "I have no doubt that as far as the nuclear agreement with the U.S. is concerned it will move forward," Singh added (Press Trust of India/Deccan Herald, May 24).
http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/g ... 5_9955.php

All those who are involved in making money out of these nuclearly projects such as electricity boards should also share responsibilities during any disaster. In this case Government should promise some funds into this or at least make insurance on those people who might be affected by such unevents.
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