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brihaspati wrote:That is because intolerance of other faiths are part of the basic statutes of the faith - and this is what the people defending this faith cite: after all they cannot be but intolerant, it is required of them by their faith. Others have not included a quid-pro-quo clause in their faiths, and hence are losing out the polemics.
Pseudosecularism was born out of this.

The Hindu finds that he is allowed to criticise Hindus but not Muslims when they hide behind Islam.

Islam claims a right to be critical of all other faiths and their followers, Hindus included.

So the Muslim will praise islam and can criticise others as part of his faith; the Hindu can criticise anything but not Islam. By default, Islam escapes criticism. Add to that all the death threats and the reputation acquired by the religion of peace - you can see why even people like Bernard Lewis and a whole lot of western "scholars" are as dhimmified as the rest of us.

I had once depicted this in a graphical format, but that's not online any more.
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shiv wrote:
brihaspati wrote:That is because intolerance of other faiths are part of the basic statutes of the faith - and this is what the people defending this faith cite: after all they cannot be but intolerant, it is required of them by their faith. Others have not included a quid-pro-quo clause in their faiths, and hence are losing out the polemics.
Pseudosecularism was born out of this.

The Hindu finds that he is allowed to criticise Hindus but not Muslims when they hide behind Islam.

Islam claims a right to be critical of all other faiths and their followers, Hindus included.

So the Muslim will praise islam and can criticise others as part of his faith; the Hindu can criticise anything but not Islam. By default, Islam escapes criticism. Add to that all the death threats and the reputation acquired by the religion of peace - you can see why even people like Bernard Lewis and a whole lot of western "scholars" are as dhimmified as the rest of us.

I had once depicted this in a graphical format, but that's not online any more.

wow! it does take a pretty big leap to take what bji said and then twist it completely out of context. I really have to wonder shiv, do you jump from one ship to the other, as and when it strikes your fancy in some bizarre display of "flexibility" or is there more to the story? just a few weeks ago, you were trumpeting the "bring Islam together against Christianity", now this. you do have a silver tongue; it glitters and sniffs whichever way the wind blows. the rest of us need to figure out who is actually blowing the wind, so we can figure out the source of your ship jumping. my first and last post on this issue. please continue.
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Most of them look like British Pakis.

Video 'Global cult of Osama bin Laden still thriving'
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... lenews_wsj
Where Modern Jihad Flourishes
Until the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the American view of radical Islam and its many discontents was shaped more by the Middle East than South Asia. The U.S. has long been at odds with the raging Ayatollah in Iran, the murderous truck bomber in Lebanon and the masked Palestinian "freedom fighter." Only over the past decade has the geographical footprint of this scourge expanded in the popular imagination to include Afghanistan and Pakistan.In this sense, the Navy SEALs raid on Osama bin Laden's home in Pakistan, a year ago, marked the culmination of a widely shared intellectual journey. Its milestones include the war against the Taliban, the capture or killing of dozens of al Qaeda leaders in Pakistani safe houses, and the tracing of some of the world's most prominent terrorist acts—including the 2005 London bombings and the 2008 Mumbai attacks—to Karachi, Islamabad and the badlands straddling Pakistan and Afghanistan.Even so, our recently updated understanding of radical Islam tends to halt at Pakistan's border with India. Despite India's 150-million-strong Muslim population, its status as the birthplace of Islamist thought in South Asia, and a clutch of jihadist groups operating on its territory, the country figures only tangentially in the best-known books on the subject. It is this lack that the London-based journalist and historian Dilip Hiro seeks to address in "Apocalyptic Realm: Jihadists in South Asia." The jacket announces it as the "first complete history of Islamist terrorism in South Asia."Mr. Hiro attempts to make a fist of these disparate stories. His purpose: "to show that the interrelated jihadist movements in Afghanistan and Pakistan have infected India, and that they pose a serious threat to the Pakistani state." In a familiar refrain, he blames the U.S. for its role in nurturing the anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan in the 1980s, which he sees as the genesis of today's problems, and for a ham-handed campaign in Afghanistan since 2001 that has only made matters worse. He argues that, thanks in part to the poor economic and social condition of India's Muslim community, the "cycle of violence" between "Muslims and Hindus in India is yet to run its course."Independent India's brush with radical Islam is more recent. Though the country has experienced periodic Hindu-Muslim riots since the 1947 Partition, Islamic terrorism was virtually unknown to Indians before erupting in Kashmir in the late 1980s and spreading to the rest of the country. For this, Mr. Hiro blames not only the ISI but also the rise of Hindu nationalism and New Delhi's heavy-handed rule in Kashmir.

Mr. Hiro ought to be commended for attempting to bring a regional lens to a subject too often written about in narrower terms. Nobody can seriously disagree with his assertion that instability in Afghanistan and Pakistan is bound to spill over into India. Nonetheless, "Apocalyptic Realm" falls short. Mr. Hiro spends too much time retelling events—at times month by month—and too little analyzing their import. He also fails to connect the dots between the Middle Eastern and South Asian strains of the ideology, represented not only by bin Laden but also by, among others, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, the man who now leads al Qaeda. The intellectual cross-fertilization between Sayyid Qutb (1906-66), chief ideologue of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, and Abul Ala Maududi (1903-79), founder of South Asia's Jamaat-e-Islami, goes unnoticed, though between them the two organizations have spawned most of the world's Sunni jihadist offshoots.It is hard to know precisely what threat is posed by the collection of violent incidents that Mr. Hiro surveys. One lesson of recent years has been that the West if it does not view this conflict as a war of ideas, risks returning to the complacency of the 1990s that led up to 9/11. But one thing is certain: In South Asia, neither Islamism as an ideology nor jihadism as a tactic has run its course.
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^^^The usual logical dishonesties
(1) Jihadist upsurges are always always in reaction non-Muslim actions or assertions. No investigation as to whether non-Muslim assertions had their own independent legitimacies or not.

(2) Islamist radical action is always in reaction to a previous historical action. However the same historical precedence is not allowed for non-Muslim reaction as reaction to something Islamism does.

This is typically shown in pseudo-criticisms of jihad - as in the Goebbelsian propaganda that "Hindu nationalism" came before Kashmir Valley Islamic jihad. However, carefully, oh so carefully the history of anti-Hindu violence in the valley is suppressd. Case after case happened in 60's and 70's and early 80's - including destruction of temples and abductions of Hindu girls. What Hindu nationalism provoked those incidents?

More importantly the question is never asked as to what makes Muslims so intolerant of any other cultures' self-assertion? Why do they at all have to react? If they cannot tolerate to live under the shadow of any other culture - why should anyone else live under their domination?

Mr. Hiro perhaps will not ask such questions. But because those questions are never asked, and therefore never answered - the non-Muslim world remains confused, and fatally.

What about the alternative line : that instead of being used by the Americans, it is the mullahcracy which has used America for its own global imperialist agenda?
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devesh wrote: we can figure out the source of your ship jumping. my first and last post on this issue. please continue.
:D "We" can figure out? Speak for yourself sir. What ship? what jumping? You just seem to get upset at what others write and seem to make a painful series of "last posts" spread out over years. While I don't need your permission to "continue" I am thankful for your voluntary restriction of your own pointless comments. Although I am surprised that you possess it, your intuitive insight into the real value of your own words and the need to limit them is refreshing.
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Wife of the former UK Ambassador to Kuwait attacked for offending Mohammadden sensibility by mingling with men in a restaurant in Kuwait:

British diplomat's wife 'suffers third degree burns after extremist hurled boiling water over her for dining with Arab men'
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The long reach of the scourge of Mohammadden Terrorism.

“Islamic insurgents” kill 13 in Russia:

Dagestan bombing claims 13 lives
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Youtube video Muslims attack Hindu temple in Bangladesh

Why so much anger among Bangladeshi muslims towards the minority Hindus? I think that every Bangladeshi has a Paki in him somewhere.
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^^ guess what, Muslims in general cannot tolerate non Muslims prosper, march ahead or even practice their religion all the while they are being ruled by inefficient Muslim ruler who fails to improve their condition.

Islam prospered prior to 18th century only by sword, Islam flourished in last 20 years sorely because of petro $$'s and wahabbi's and AK47 in hands of misguided Islamists.

This is true for christianity too. Take for example Hitler and Germans. They could not see minority Jews prosper and control businesses while they toil and work hard.

What is inevitable result ? Attack them and take their land and kill them, make them run, terrorise them, convert them and enjoy the free loot. These a modern day bandits.

This is not the story of Bangladesh. This is true in all the Muslim countries without petro $$. While in the countries with petro $$$ their anger is diverted by giving them freebies and landscaping.

This is pathetic. India needs to strongly let its feeling known to Bangladesh. Telling them that if Bangladesh fails to protect its minorities and people flee to India they will be forced to break Bangladesh again.

Looking at this sometimes I feel that Islam is like a cancer which becomes uncontrolled and you can only control it for sometime till you give medication eventually it moves to other parts if once section is sterilised and kills the whole society. Eventually, these cancer do no have anything to feed upon and start killing each other.

World needs to find cure of these cancer.
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See the series of blogs that Koenraad Elst has written about on Meera Nanda & her pals. See the 6th one of that series.

http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... d-its.html

In this 6th one he exposes people like Sanjay Subramaniam . He has also shown Sanjay Subramaniam in his earlier books http://voi.org/books/acat/ch4.htm


You will be surprised to know from what family Sanjay Subramaniam comes.
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Hollande victory celebrations in France. Pretty revealing about vote base.

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Muslim Healthcare Study


Posted on November 11, 2010 by admin

Muslim Inbreeding Study.

A problem obviously not talked about much in the Muslim world. 1,400 years of inbreeding (think first cousins marrying) have resulted in a significant on-going health problem and degraded gene pool. While this may explain a lot of things with this culture, how will such immigrants and their ways impact our lives and healthcare support costs. Quite a revelation here from a Denmark study where the impact is obvious. This is serious stuff and you should be aware of this research.

Nicolai Sennels is a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into a little-known problem in the Muslim world: the disastrous results of Muslim inbreeding brought about by the marriage of first-cousins.

This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.

This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage.

The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are
inbred. In Pakistan , the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan and Kuwait, 63% in Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar .

According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is
thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is
more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic
disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the
births in the UK, they account for 33% of children with genetic birth
defects.

The risk of what are called autosomal recessive disorders such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy is 18 times higher and the risk of death due to malformations is 10 times higher.

Other negative consequences of inbreeding include a 100 percent increase in the risk of stillbirths and a 50% increase in the possibility that a child will die during labor.

Lowered intellectual capacity is another devastating consequence of
Muslim marriage patterns. According to Sennels, research shows that children of consanguineous marriages lose 10-16 points off their IQ and that social abilities develop much slower in inbred babies.

The risk of having an IQ lower than 70, the official demarcation for
being classified as “retarded,” increases by an astonishing 400
percent among children of cousin marriages.

(Similar effects were seen in the Pharaonic dynasties in ancient Egypt
and in the British royal family, where inbreeding was the norm for a
significant period of time.)

In Denmark, non-Western immigrants are more than 300 percent more likely to fail the intelligence test required for entrance into the Danish army.

Sennels says that “the ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and
abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world.” He points out
that the Arab world translates just 330 books every year, about 20% of what Greece alone does.

In the last 1,200 years years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been
translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book.

Sennels points out the difficulties this creates for Muslims seeking to
succeed in the West. “A lower IQ, together with a religion that
denounces critical thinking, surely makes it harder for many Muslims to have success in our high-tech knowledge societies.”

Only nine Muslims have ever won the Nobel Prize, and five of those were for the “Peace Prize.” According to Nature magazine, Muslim countries produce just 10 percent of the world average when it comes to scientific research (measured by articles per million inhabitants).

In Denmark, Sennels’ native country, Muslim children are grossly
overrepresented among children with special needs. One-third of the
budget for Danish schools is consumed by special education, and anywhere from 51% to 70% of retarded children with physical handicaps in Copenhagen have an immigrant background.

Learning ability is severely affected as well. Studies indicated that 64% of school children with Arabic parents are still illiterate after 10
years in the Danish school system. The immigrant drop-out rate in Danish high schools is twice that of the native-born.

Mental illness is also a product. The closer the blood relative, the
higher the risk of schizophrenic illness. The increased risk of insanity
may explain why more than 40% of the patients in Denmark’s biggest ward for clinically insane criminals have an immigrant background.

The U.S. is not immune. According to Sennels, “one study based on
300,000 Americans shows that the majority of Muslims in the USA have a lower income, are less educated, and have worse jobs than the population as a whole.”

Sennels concludes:

There is no doubt that the wide spread tradition of first cousin marriages among Muslims has harmed the gene pool among Muslims. Because Muslims’ religious beliefs prohibit marrying non-Muslims and thus prevents them from adding fresh genetic material to their population, the genetic damage done to their gene pool since their prophet allowed first cousin marriages 1,400 years ago are most likely massive. (This has produced) overwhelming direct and indirect human and societal consequences.

Bottom line: Islam is not simply a benign and morally equivalent
alternative to the Judeo-Christian tradition. As Sennels points out, the first and biggest victims of Islam are Muslims. Simple Christian
compassion for Muslims and a common-sense desire to protect Western civilization from the ravages of Islam dictate a vigorous opposition to the spread of this dark and dangerous religion. These stark realities must be taken into account when we establish public polices dealing with immigration from Muslim countries and the building of mosques in the U.S.

Let’s hope America wakes up before a blind naivete about the reality of Islam destroys what remains of our Christian culture and our domestic tranquility.
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Adolf admired the Brit colonialists, and his worst fears came true.
Adolf also admired Islam.

Germany: Police arrest 100 after protesters clash at anti-Islam rally
Germany's local far-right party, the Pro NRW, held an anti-Islam rally. Germany's Salafists showed up to the rally to counter-protest.
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Arabophobia rather than Islamophobia, but I think it belongs here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 18707.html

"Robert Fisk: Arab Spring has washed the region's appalling racism out of the news

The Long View: Migrant workers from the subcontinent often live eight to a room in slums – even in oil-rich Kuwait"
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Marz barta gya jyon jyon Dwa di
Mali Islamist militants 'destroy' Timbuktu saint's tomb
Islamist fighters said to be linked to al-Qaeda have destroyed the tomb of a local Muslim saint in the Malian town of Timbuktu, officials and locals say.The gunmen attacked the shrine and set it on fire, saying it was contrary to Islam, according to the official.
Tuareg rebels and Islamist fighters took control of Timbuktu, a UN heritage site, after a military coup in March.
Unesco said the town's capture could endanger its "outstanding architectural wonders" .Residents said armed men from the Islamist group Ansar Dine threatened locals going to worship at the grave of Sidi Mahmoud Ben Amar."What you are doing is haram! (forbidden). Seek help from God directly rather than the dead," one of the gunmen said, according to a resident quoted by the Reuters news agency.
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India's Supreme Court orders Hajj subsidy cut
India's Supreme Court has barred the government from giving subsidies to Muslim pilgrims going on the Hajj. The court said the policy was "best done away with" and told the authorities to gradually reduce the subsidy and abolish it in 10 years.
India provides billions of rupees every year to people going on the Hajj.
Every year, about 125,000 pilgrims take the subsidy.
About time.
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The Indian SC quoting the Koran on the subject of Haj subsidy is being more literral than the political vote bank enthusiasts who pormote the Haj subsidy.

So even if getting rid of Haj subsidy is right the Court's reasons are not. Being secular etc.. they should not be quoting religious scripture of minority or majority but decide on fairness and the Constitution.

How is this different than the Toureg literalists who demolished the Sidi's tomb?
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ramana ji,

kantakenaiva kantakam - use a thorn to take out a thorn. Niyat (intention) is most important in namaaz. :)
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chetak ji, here is the full 2005 BBC story. I thought it was a hoax. I dont count BBC as a reliable source in such matters. But aparently there is also an independent testimony (in bold). Looks serious.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/n ... 442010.stm
The risks of cousin marriage

By Justin Rowlatt
BBC Newsnight


Many people would find the idea of marrying a first cousin shocking, but such marriages are not unusual in some British communities.

It is estimated that at least 55% of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins and the tradition is also common among some other South Asian communities and in some Middle Eastern countries.
But there is a problem: marrying someone who is themselves a close family member carries a risk for children - a risk that lies within the code of life; within our genes.

Communities that practice cousin marriage experience higher levels of some very rare but very serious illnesses - illnesses known as recessive genetic disorders.

Open debate

Now, one Labour MP is calling for an end to the practice. "We have to stop this tradition of first cousin marriages," Keighley MP Ann Cryer tells Newsnight.

Mrs Cryer believes an open debate on the subject is needed because - despite the risks - cousin marriage remains very popular.

Mrs Cryer's constituency is in the Bradford area, where the rates of cousin marriage are well above the national average. It is estimated that three out of four marriages within Bradford's Pakistani community are between first cousins.

The practice remains so popular because the community believes there are real benefits to marrying in the family. Many British Pakistanis celebrate cousin marriage because it is thought to generate more stable relationships.

Strong unions

Such unions are seen as strong, building as they do on already tight family networks.

"You have an understanding," explains Neila Butt, who married her first cousin, Farooq, nine years ago.
"Family events are really nice because my in-laws and his are related," she says.

"You have the same family history and when you talk about the old times either here or in Pakistan you know who you are talking about. It's just a nicer emotional feel."

But the statistics for recessive genetic illness in cousin marriages make sobering reading.

British Pakistanis are 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population - they account for just over 3% of all births but have just under a third of all British children with such illnesses.

Indeed, Birmingham Primary Care Trust estimates that one in ten of all children born to first cousins in the city either dies in infancy or goes on to develop serious disability as a result of a recessive genetic disorder.

Variant genes

Recessive genetic disorders are caused by variant genes. There are hundreds of different recessive genetic disorders, many associated with severe disability and sometimes early death, and each caused by a different variant gene.

We all have two copies of every gene. If you inherit one variant gene you will not fall ill.
If, however, a child inherits a copy of the same variant gene from each of its parents it will develop one of these illnesses.

The variant genes that cause genetic illness tend to be very rare. In the general population the likelihood of a couple having the same variant gene is a hundred to one.

In cousin marriages, if one partner has a variant gene the risk that the other has it too is far higher - more like one in eight.

Myra Ali has a very rare recessive genetic condition, known as Epidermolisis Bulosa.

Her parents were first cousins. So were her grandparents.

"My skin is really fragile, and can blister very easily with a slight knock or tear," she says.

Myra has strong views about the practice of cousin marriage as a result. "I'm against it, because there's a high risk of illness occurring", she says.

Denial

According to Ann Cryer MP, whose Keighley constituency has a large Pakistani population, much of the Pakistani community is in denial about the problem.
She tells Newsnight that she believes it is time for an open debate on the subject: "As we address problems of smoking, drinking, obesity, we say it's a public health issue, and therefore we all have to get involved with it in persuading people to adopt a different lifestyle", she says.

"I think the same should be applied to this problem in the Asian community. They must adopt a different lifestyle. They must look outside the family for husbands and wives for their young people."
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So why do the Pakis promote first cousin marriages on the paternal side? They cite Islam but where an how does Islam require this?
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No "Pakistanis" but "Asians". That includes you and me even though we have nothing in common with the shittistanis that live in the UK. According to Dhimmi Beeb:
"It just happens that in this particular area and time the demographics were that these were Asian men."
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ramana wrote:So why do the Pakis promote first cousin marriages on the paternal side? They cite Islam but where an how does Islam require this?
Who cannot be bedded is laid out in the Al baqara - the "cow". Everything else is halaal. First cousin marriages are not banned unless they have foster relationship. There is a rumour about a certain very amorous Mughal goat ordering his daughter to breast feed her bro because he was getting worried about their extra-closeness.
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ravi_g wrote:
chetak ji, here is the full 2005 BBC story. I thought it was a hoax. I dont count BBC as a reliable source in such matters. But aparently there is also an independent testimony (in bold). Looks serious.

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ravi_g Saab,

There are many more such articles in professional journals and independent studies.

Many doctors in my biradiri. Have listened to many such discussions over the years. The import is just now kicking in.
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Please allow me to add a medical+philosophical point about cousin marriages.

Actually diseases can be dealt with using two different philosophies.

1. One is the ancient world philosophy in which disease was part of life and that death and health were partly God's will. This attitude has worked for most of human history. What happens is that those who die young, die young. Those whole live to adulthood reproduce and continue the race. You can start producing kids by age 13-15 and if you live till 40 that is long enough to conquer neighbouring kingdoms, produce grandchildren and die.

2. "Modern" attitudes to health stem from modern medical care which is barely 150 years old. Modern helthcare has fostered a change in western societies and is gradually spreading around the world. Peopel haev fewer children but more children survive into adulthood. In the meantime the Western/Christian ideal of "this life" being precious (as opposed to Jannat after death) there has been a push for prolonging this life into immortality - trying to break evolutionary paradigms.

Along with that - in countries like the UK, (and in Europe) healthcare has become a subject that affects the economy because vast sums are spent on just keeping people alive and healthy. And the most costly diseases are the ones that do not lead to early death but need chronic attention for decades.

So how does this impact on cousin marriages in Pakistan versus Britain?

In Pakistan cousin marriages are not an issue because the old rules described by me above in point #1 apply. In Britain point # 2 kicks in and all the donkeys who are born in Britain are kept alive by the system. In Pakistan they would be allowed to die and ammi would just whelp another malformed baby in one year. If Ammi dies Abba will marry a nearby niece. Out of 15 kids, five kids, Mohammad, Ilyass, Hafiz, Ajmal and Pervez will survive.

In Britain they get their knickers in a twist because all the Paki donkeys who would die in Pakistan are kept alive and they too marry and produce more bacchas which Britain will keep alive. This is Britains problem. Their philosophy is incompatible with the old one. But the old one has evolved since the beginning of time. The British attitude is just 150 years old

Guess who will win in the long term? The Bakis of course. The Brits need to look in their own Bible, It's all in there. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit.
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^^^ Can someone explain what Arab Syphillis is
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The would be underwear bomber was supposedly a CIA informant.
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Jarita wrote:^^^ Can someone explain what Arab Syphillis is
Google for Bejel, Yaws and Pinta.

These are skin disease caused by the syphilis bacterium and the long term effects are like syphilis, which can affect the joints, bone, brain and blood vessels. Spread is by kissing or sharing drinking water glasses. What your mummy taught you about not using/sharing jootha glasses is true.
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In Canada a Mohammadden Madrassah belonging to the Shia Ithna Asheri sect, if memory serves the sect is a breakaway faction from the Khoja sect run by the Aga Khan, comes under investigation for propagating hatred against Jews:

Islamic school under investigation for teachings about Jews
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shiv wrote:
Jarita wrote:^^^ Can someone explain what Arab Syphillis is
Google for Bejel, Yaws and Pinta.

These are skin disease caused by the syphilis bacterium and the long term effects are like syphilis, which can affect the joints, bone, brain and blood vessels. Spread is by kissing or sharing drinking water glasses. What your mummy taught you about not using/sharing jootha glasses is true.

Thanks. This is fascinating
But how can they pass through generations and cause neurological syphillus. I am referring to past posts by Brihaspati
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Jarita wrote: Thanks. This is fascinating
But how can they pass through generations and cause neurological syphillus. I am referring to past posts by Brihaspati
I would say brihaspati's views are plausible. Although syphilis can be transmitted from mother to child I doubt if that was the method of transmission. the usual method of skin contact, sharing water containers would have led to the infection.

Yaws, pinta and bejel are diseases that are ignored by Indian medical students other than those who want to know extra points for good marks. Medical research and medical facilities in the countries that harbor bejel (Arabs) were set up only in the last 30 years - long after the discovery of penicillin and are probably nowadays treated and cured easily. Even today you have Arabs who don't have a clue who come to doctors with a cup of tea asking if a maid servant may have peed in the cup to attract the man of the house.

There is no medical literature from those countries going back 200 years or more documenting deaths, diseases or behaviour that could be diagnosed in retrospect as neurological syphilis. But syphilis was very much there and a few modern papers do document the presence of neuro-syphilis. So chances are that in the old days a lot of mad syphilitics were accepted as seeing visions form God or behaving differently because Allah willed them to be that way.
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^^^ Reminds me of what Vivekananda said about specific individuals having disease induced visions. :-?
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The Origins of Islam: Tom Holland Explains New Book ‘In the Shadow of the Sword’
It is a curious feature of the Qur’an that it should give a notably starry role to an episode fundamental, not to Muslim, but to Christian faith: the visitation by an angel to Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ. Indeed, the Annunciation is retold in the Holy Book of Islam not once, but twice. Mary was evidently a person much on the Prophet’s mind. Not only is she the one woman in his revelations to be mentioned by name, but she features as well in a whole range of incidents quite aside from the Annunciation. Details left unrecorded by the New Testament—for instance, that she went into labor beneath a palm tree, where her son, speaking from within her womb, encouraged her to snack on a date or two—are given pride of place in the Qur’an. Gratifying evidence, so it appeared to Muslims contemptuous of the Christian scriptures, that they were far better informed about the life of Jesus than were those who, in their folly and delusion, presumed to worship him as a god.But how had the Prophet come by these various stories? To Muslims, of course, the question was a waste of breath. Muhammad had been visited by the divine. Just as Christians believed that Mary, by giving birth to her son, had delivered what they termed the Logos, or the ‘Word’, so Muhammad’s followers knew that his revelations, gasped out with ‘the sweat dripping from his forehead’, were the veritable speech of God. Muslims were no more likely to ask whether the Prophet had been influenced by the writings of other faiths than were Christians to wonder whether Mary had truly been a virgin. What the stiff-necked Jews and the obdurately blinkered Christians had failed to realise, in the opinion of the Muslim faithful, was that every single prophet mentioned in the Bible had actually been a follower of Islam. Hence the starring roles granted to so many of them, from Adam to Jesus, in the Qur’an. And to Mary too, of course. That stories of the Virgin being succoured by a friendly palm tree had actually been a Christian tradition for centuries, and seem in turn to have derived from a legend told by the pagan Greeks, was blithely ignored—as, of course, it was bound to be. No Muslim scholar could possibly have countenanced a notion that the Prophet might have been in the business of filching anecdotes from infidels. The Qur’an, after all, did not derive from outside sources. Rather, it was the Jews and the Christians, by allowing their holy books to become corrupted, who had ended up with distorted, second-hand scriptures. Only in the Qur’an had the awful purity of the divine revelation been properly preserved. Every last word of it, every last syllable, every last letter, came directly from God, and from God alone.The ancient capitals of the Near East, which for more than four thousand years had served as the cockpits of civilisation, immense petri-dishes teeming with peoples of every conceivable faith, dense with temples, and synagogues, and churches, were a colossal distance away. Even to the borders of Palestine, where Abraham had built his tomb, and Solomon reigned, and Jesus been crucified, it was a full eight hundred miles. What likelihood, then, the Muslim faithful demanded to know, that a prophet born and raised so far from such a milieu could conceivably have been influenced by its traditions and doctrines and writings? The sheer prophylactic immensity of the desert that surrounded Mecca, impenetrable to outsiders as it was, appeared to render the answer obvious. Just as it was the blood and muscle of Mary’s virgin womb that had, in the opinion of Christians, nurtured the coming into the world of the divine, so likewise, in the opinion of Muslims, was it the spreading sands of Arabia which had served to preserve the word of God, over the course of its protracted delivery, in a fit condition of untainted purity.

That Muslim tradition attributes the origins of its holy book to an illiterate man living in a pagan city in the middle of a desert is—to non-Muslim historians—a problem, not a solution. Perhaps, had the revelations of the Prophet materialised in some other period and place, then the fact that the presumptions of the late antique Near East are shot through them like letters through a stick of rock would indeed appear an authentic miracle. As it is, the distance between Mecca and the lands of the Roman and Persian empires to the north suggests a mystery of the kind that perplexed early cartographers when they mapped Africa and South America, and observed that the eastern and western coasts of the Atlantic Ocean seemed to match like the pieces of a gigantic jigsaw puzzle.To be sure, the order established by the Arabs in the century following the life of Muhammad was indeed something novel. But originality alone does not tell the whole story. Prototype of every subsequent Islamic empire that it was, the Caliphate founded in the seventh century was also something very much more: the last, the climactic, and the most enduring empire of antiquity. Recognition of this fact has prompted historians, over the last few decades, to question much that Muslims believe about the origins of their faith. Why do the earliest biographies of the Prophet, in the form we have them, originate almost a whole two centuries after his lifetime? Where, if not in Mecca, might he have lived? Why are the references to him in the early Caliphate so sparse, so enigmatic, and so late?We see in late antiquity,” as one of its foremost historians has put it, “a mass of experimentation, new ways being tried and new adjustments made.” What emerged in the century or so after Muhammad as the religion called Islam was one consequence of this “mass of experimentation”—but there were a whole multitude of others too. The most significant of all these, of course, were Judaism and Christianity: faiths that by the time of Muhammad had taken on something like the form they wear today, but had once themselves been swirls of beliefs and doctrines no less unformed than those professed by the Arabs in the first century of their empire. The story of how Islam came to define itself, and to invent its own past, is only part, then, of a much broader story: one that is ultimately about how Jews, Christians, and Muslims all came by their understanding of religion. No other revolution in human thought, perhaps, has done more to transform the world. No other revolution, it might be argued, demands more urgently to be put in proper context.
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U.S. Military Taught Officers: Use ‘Hiroshima’ Tactics for ‘Total War’ on Islam
For the better part of the last decade, a small cabal of self-anointed counterterrorism experts has been working its way through the U.S. military, intelligence and law enforcement communities, trying to convince whoever it could that America’s real terrorist enemy wasn’t al-Qaida — but the Islamic faith itself. In his course, Dooley brought in these anti-Muslim demagogues as guest lecturers. And he took their argument to its final, ugly conclusion.

“We have now come to understand that there is no such thing as ‘moderate Islam,’” ( Army Lt. Col. Matthew A.) Dooley noted in a July 2011 presentation (.pdf), which concluded with a suggested manifesto to America’s enemies. “It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction.”
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The hon'ble officer is going on Nazi path. The Nazis also argued on similar lines when faced with dealing with Royal Marine Commando raids on Occupied Europe and Irregular UK 'raids' with partisans/Resistance units. Am sure a few were subject to Nurmeberg trials on that charge.

This obession with just war is a Christian imperative.

Secondly Mecca is a holy site like Jerusalem due to location of Kaaba.

Medina is a political center which got changed as Islam spread even during the four Caliph period. As such destroying it wont matter! And Wahabis destoryed Mecca landmarks many times, till the Ottoman Turks removed them from power by killing them.


In other words the strategy is not complete.
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M & M are the main visible symbols of mythical Islam thus natural targets if they re-define the enemy in WOT. Muslims beileve that Allah protects both and if Amercano shatter this myth it will be half the curtain on this religion. Taking leaf out of islamic history, Rest can be accomplished by banning the Book, Beard and Burkha in public space.
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