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Uttam wrote:I really hope this happens sooner rather later. A lot world problems (and Indian problems) will be solved if illicit petrodollars from Saudis stop funding terrorist activity directly or indirectly.

Saudi Arabia may go broke before the US oil industry buckles
Greatest news is that Shales are here to stay and new Plasma technology make oil extraction environmentally better. Kicker is the arrival of new tech which make millions of capped oil well economically viable again and they already contain much crude to give the final blow to Oil Mafia of ME.
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are the saudis really flooding the oil market in order to kill the shale industry ? one would think US has too much leverage on it for this to happen ?!
wont bankrupting the russians and venezuelans (in return from some quid pro quo from the americans) be a more reasonable explanation ?
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Not the shale market but Iran to reduce price of oil so they stop support to Assad.
Shale market feel as a consequence.
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Saudi Arabia, another victim of terrorism like Pakistan. :((
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ramana wrote:Not the shale market but Iran to reduce price of oil so they stop support to Assad.
Shale market feel as a consequence.
Saving to India is enormous in tune of 80-100 Billion$ annually. This will help recovering few years lost under MMS /UPA regime. Good opportunity to catch up with competitors in Asia. China took full advantage of cheap oil and we should reap the benefit now wisely.
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Rahul M wrote:are the saudis really flooding the oil market in order to kill the shale industry ? one would think US has too much leverage on it for this to happen ?!
wont bankrupting the russians and venezuelans (in return from some quid pro quo from the americans) be a more reasonable explanation ?
They're flooding it to balance their books. With the oil prices depressed the only way to maintain revenue is to step up production, which lowers the price but that pain is shared across all oil producers. The Saudis are fortunate that way, in that they have some of the lowest extraction costs in the industry. Almost all of what they pump out is pure profit.

As far as the US is concerned, while the shale industry is affected (though its turned to be far more resilient than expected) low oil prices are far bigger boost for the economy as a whole (0.2% bump in GDP for every $10 fall in oil prices).
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One thing I've been wondering about - with our strategic oil reserves at just 30 million barrels (compared to over 300 mil for China), have our oil operations in Assam & Bombay High been scaled back? In the absence of more man-made reservoirs, why not retain our natural ones?
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17 killed in suicide attack on Saudi mosque
RIYADH: A "terrorist" bomb targeting a mosque used by Saudi police killed at least 17 people Thursday in the southern city of Abha, state television El-Ikhbariya reported.The explosion took place as worshippers were praying at a mosque used by Saudi special forces in Abha, the broadcaster said, describing it as a "terrorist" attack. It gave no further details.An interior ministry spokesman confirmed the attack but gave a slightly lower toll of "more than 13" dead.The victims were members of a Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) unit, the spokesman told AFP. "It´s confirmed there´s an explosion and there´s more than 13 (killed)... in a mosque," the spokesman said.The explosion happened at the headquarters of the SWAT team, which is tasked with domestic security, he added.
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On the suicide blast at Abha in Saudi Arabia, I particularly liked the following:
Hours after Thursday's bombing in Abha, a previously unheard of IS affiliate, which calls itself Hijaz Province of the Islamic State, claimed responsibility for the attack.

The group issued a statement saying an IS suicide bomber targeted a "monument of the apostate," referring to the special forces' compound in Abha. It described the kingdom's ruling family as "tyrants" who have aligned themselves with "their Crusader masters," or Western allies. The statement was carried on IS-affiliated Twitter accounts and was also reported by the SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks militant messages.
The IS affiliate known as Najd Province has carried out drive-by shootings targeting Saudi police at checkpoints in Riyadh and claimed to be behind two bombings in Saudi Arabia's east — one in May that killed 22 people inside a Shiite mosque and another a week later that killed four just outside a Shiite mosque.

The same group also claimed responsibility for Kuwait's deadliest terrorist attack, which killed 27 Shiite worshippers in June.
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Saudi embassy invokes ‘diplomatic immunity’, says rape allegations false: Indian Express

A Saudi diplomat, who has been accused of raping two Nepalese women, today met senior External Affairs Ministry officials and protested the action by Gurgaon police at his residence which he claimed was in violation of the Vienna Convention.
The Saudi Arabian embassy is learnt to have invoked “diplomatic immunity” for its diplomat accused of rape by two women from Nepal and registered a protest over Gurgaon police allegedly entering his house to conduct investigations, sources told The Indian Express. This was conveyed to Indian officials, including Ministry of External Affairs joint secretary (Gulf) T Darlong, by a Saudi embassy delegation, led by Ambassador Saud Mohammed Al Sati, on Wednesday afternoon, the sources said.

Darlong is learnt to have told the delegation that police did not know initially that the premises housed a Saudi diplomat, and that the raid to “rescue” the two women engaged as domestic help was based on a tip-off from an NGO.

Under the Vienna Convention, 1961, “diplomatic immunity” cannot be violated unless the country that has posted the diplomat waives it off. The Saudi embassy also issued a statement terming as “false” the allegations of sexual assault against the diplomat. “The embassy strongly stresses and have not been proven,” it said. It added that the embassy has also brought to the notice of officials in the MEA the “unwarranted media briefings before investigations are complete, and has protested the police intrusion into a diplomat’s house against all diplomatic conventions”. Article 30 of the Vienna Convention states that the “private residence of a diplomatic agent shall enjoy the same inviolability and protection as the premises of the mission”. The embassy said that it would, however, wait for a clarification from the MEA on the issue and the outcome of investigations into the allegations, it said. The MEA’s official spokesperson, Vikas Swarup, said, “We have asked for a report from Gurgaon police. Further steps will be taken once the Ministry receives a detailed report from them.” The Nepal embassy has also approached the MEA seeking its help. “We are not fully aware of the involvement of any diplomat (Saudi). When we will be informed, then we will (reach out to the Saudis). It is a very, very sensitive case and we are getting full support from the MEA and local police,” said Nepal Ambassador to India, Deep Kumar Upadhyay.
A*hole Saudis - can't seem to contain their cave man impulses!

If this issue is however allowed to be churned through the media too long it is going to have some negative consequences for both - Saudis and NaMo's outreach to the Gulf. Officially both Saudis and Nepalis are foreign nationals. Since the women are Nepali, the Indian PM cannot be seen as giving in to Saudi protestations of innocence and forgetting the trauma of the Nepali women. After all, Bharat is Nepal's big brother.

It is important that Saudis really really appreciate the severity of shi*t, the stupidity of their diplomat has shoved them in.

Saudis need to work on some agreement where this is put to rest amicably and not be stone-headed and keep on insisting on their diplomatic right to rape or their innocence. That would not solve the problem.

A solution may require:
  1. An appropriate compensation to the Nepali woman - a couple of hundred million dollars. Yes that is right. Rich pay more!
  2. A public expression of deep regret, even if apology is inconvenient.
  3. A personal apology to the Nepali woman by the Saudi ambassador in the presence of Indian and Nepali officials.
  4. A recall of the Saudi diplomat back to Saudi Arabia.
  5. Some appropriate punishment for the diplomat back in Saudi Arabia, including perhaps forfeit of property.
  6. A Saudi diplomatic push to improve ties with New Delhi.
There will be many calls for waiving diplomatic immunity allowing the diplomat to be charged, judged and punished in India. All that is justified. Hopefully Saudis are intelligent and do not show a mule-like attitude and don't let the situation balloon to where it becomes a question of India's ability to protect the honor of women in India. Saudis need to act fast on this.
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Hope we don't let this slide. In addition to monetary compensation we should look at getting a few incarsarated Indians/Nepalis freed from SA. If not make a rule that diplomats from SA will not be able to employ non Saudis as maids etc without prior permission.
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Singha wrote:this has been posted on brf before
http://www.returnofkings.com/57571/tag- ... dern-women
Man, the examples are way beyond my scales of fantasy! :shock:
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Indian policemen barge into Saudi diplomat’s home And Reportedly Assaulted His Family - Saudi Version :roll:
Saudi Gazette report




RIYADH — A group of Indian policemen barged into a Saudi diplomat’s house in Gurgaon near New Delhi and reportedly assaulted his family on Monday on the claim that the Saudi family was holding two housemaids hostage, Al-Watan Arabic daily reported on Wednesday.

Saudi Ambassador to India Muhammad Al-Sati said the diplomat was a Saudi Embassy employee and the policemen’s claim about the two maids was untrue. “The policemen assaulted his wife and his 19-year-old daughter. The Embassy condemns such an act. We have already contacted the Indian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the head of Gurgaon Police,” said Al-Sati.

The Indian authorities are still investigating the incident, he said. A spokesman for India’s Foreign Ministry said it had requested a report from the police and would decide on what action to take after reviewing the information.
The two Nepalese maids, aged 30 and 50, have filed complaints with police alleging the unnamed diplomat kept them locked in his apartment where they were abused, assistant commissioner Rajesh Kumar said.

The Saudi Embassy denied the allegations in a statement to the Press Trust of India (PTI) news agency. “The Embassy strongly stresses that these allegations are false and have not been proven,” the statement said.
Posting one reader`s comments, which sums up the situation very well, thank you :D :
There is rarely smoke without a fire!! When will Saudi Gazette report objectively instead of behaving like the entire world is against Saudis? Last week it was the Turkish security at the airport. This week it is the Indians. Is it ever the fault of Saudi citizens or are they perfect in all respects? .. :mrgreen:
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disturbing details in TOI today. the police have seized the security notebook showing visitor entry and the CCTV footage to atleast prosecute the diplomats friends if they can id them. even a fairly aged 50 yr old maid was not spared.

quoting from print edition: the second round of medical reports gives a clear picture of the horrors the two nepalese women
had to live with. "as they had continuously undergone unnatural sex, they have developed severe infections. the younger one had developed vaginal, anal and pelvic infections" said one of the doctors at civil hospital. she also had brutal nail marks and bruises near her private parts another doctor said.


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/two- ... 69825.html
They alleged that they were even taken to getaways like Nainital and Agra with groups of over 10 people, who gangraped them several times.

"For them, we were worse than dogs. We survived on biscuits and tea and were made to work 24 hours a day. The diplomat would hand us over to his Saudi friends, who sexually assaulted us, and his wife used to thrash us. The family would lock us up in a room whenever they went out," 50-year-old Meena (name changed) told Mail Today.
The women lost their families when the devastating earthquake struck Nepal in April.
The rape survivors alleged that the Saudi diplomat started asking for sexual favours from them days after they returned to India from Saudi Arabia. "He asked us to massage him… he then raped us and forced us to have unnatural sex and fellatio. He also invited his Saudi friends who gang-raped us several times. Sometimes, groups of over 10 men used to rape us in nights. Whenever they wanted to rape us during the day, the Saudi diplomat sent his wife and daughter away," said Vinita.

They claimed that the diplomat also took them to other places, including Nainital and Agra, where they were introduced to his "Saudi guests who sexually assaulted them".

"On one occasion, one Saudi man slashed my wrist with a knife when I protested his sexual advances," Vinita said, showing her wounds, and added that her colleague was repeatedly hit on the head.
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i guess anal sex does not count as infidelity under the book, hence their preference for it.

1st secretary is a very senior consular post right? given only to presumably well qualified and senior people. the leased him a 6000 sq ft flat to go with it.

he must be shamed and dragged to court so much his entire diplomatic career is finished and no country should accept him ever and if any of his gang of 10 friends do not have diplomatic immunity they must be tracked down and interpol notices put on them if they have already fled the country, which is likely. we should also ask for extradition to face trial here.
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Seriously why was the saudi pov posted anyways, what do you expect from a muslim dictatorship? after all they are phorphathers of pakis and we already know how low pakis can and regularly stoop to cover their h&d.

except more reports about poor saudis/muslims being persecuted in non muslim countries for no reason onree.
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Saudi diplomat case: Rape victims were severely tortured, say doctors :shock:

Findings of two boards same, says Gurgaon medical chief; India asks Saudi Arabia to join probe.[*][/b]

[*] Very unlikely to happen :cry:
The victims — aged 44 years and 20 years — were examined twice in Gurgaon, first by a gynaecologist and then a four-member medical board. The reports confirmed sexual assault including rape, sodomy and forced penetration.
The victims — aged 44 years and 20 years — were examined twice in Gurgaon, first by a gynaecologist and then a four-member medical board. The reports confirmed sexual assault including rape, sodomy and forced penetration.
Sorry to say, but in the end, a face saving arrangement , will be worked out at the highest level of both Governments ; the victims will probably be handsomely financially compensated ; maybe, even some sort of secret apology through legal channels ; economically and geo-politically, too much is at stake here for both parties ; who knows - maybe the culprits are high up in the royal food chain and cannot be touched for ( Saudi) domestic reasons
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65 people killed as crane crashes in Mecca's Grand Mosque

Saudi Arabia’s civil defence authority says almost 200 injured in preparations for annual Haj pilgrimage

At least 65 people were killed and a further 184 were injured when a crane collapsed at the Grand Mosque in the Muslim holy city of Mecca on Friday, the Saudi Arabian government has said.

The country’s civil defence authority said on its Twitter account that rescue teams had been sent to the scene. The tweet said that the authority’s director general Suleiman Al-Amr attended.

Muslims make their annual hajj pilgrimage later this month and Saudi authorities go to great lengths to be prepared for the millions of people who converge on Mecca.

Pictures circulating on social media, which the Guardian could not independently verify and which were too graphic to reproduce, showed what appeared to be numerous bodies on the ground - as well as bloodied, injured people being helped the scene.

They showed a large group of people lying on marble-like flooring, most of them near to a wall and surrounded by rubble and other debris. One man appears to be being wheeled out of the building on a wheelchair.

Other images posted on the same account appeared to show parts of a crane that crashed through the roof of a building.

Al-Arabiya television earlier said the crane had fallen because of strong storms. Western Saudi Arabia has been hit by strong sand storms in the past few days.

Saudi authorities have taken a series of safety measures over the past decade aimed at preventing crowd crushes after tragedies such as the stampede in 2006, which resulted in 350 deaths, a building collapse in the same year which killed 76 and a stampede that killed more than 200 people in 2004.

Officials limited numbers attending the hajj after a peak in 2013, in which more than 3.1 million pilgrims arrived. Bottlenecks in which crushes occurred along the pilgrimage route were widened and religious authorities decreed that it was not mandatory for pilgrims to touch sacred spots.

The Grand Mosque, which houses the Kaaba, the cube-shaped structure towards which Muslims worldwide pray, has been surrounded by a number of cranes. Reconstruction work has been going on to enlarge the mosque by 400,000 sq m (4.3 m sq ft), allowing it to accommodate up to 2.2 million people.

The work has continued for the past two years and was expected to be largely completed before this year’s pilgrimage, which begins on 22 September.

Saudi authorities have lavished vast sums to improve Mecca’s transportation system in an effort to prevent more disasters. Security services often surround Islam’s sacred city with checkpoints and other measures to prevent people arriving for the pilgrimage without authorisation. Those procedures, aimed at reducing crowd pressure which can lead to stampedes, fires and other hazards, have been intensified in recent years as security threats grow throughout the Middle East.

According to a report on Al-Jazeera television, the crane fell on the east side of the mosque after a sandstorm and heavy rain. It said that the building’s doors were shut and people were locked inside. Its reporter said there was “slight pandemonium” and that one person was killed in the rush to get out.

The reporter said: “Dozens of ambulances are heading to the site. The authorities closed off the area shortly afterwards. This whole place is already a construction site. What made it worse is that around 5.30pm there was severe rain and it’s just gushing down the road. I am surrounded by people who are grieving. The mood here is of sadness.”

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RajeshA wrote: ...
There will be many calls for waiving diplomatic immunity allowing the diplomat to be charged, judged and punished in India. All that is justified. Hopefully Saudis are intelligent and do not show a mule-like attitude and don't let the situation balloon to where it becomes a question of India's ability to protect the honor of women in India. Saudis need to act fast on this.
Vain hope.

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It is a aign. From the heavens. From where 72 are distributed. That these 10000 room hotels and grand masks are but temples with idols in it. Green carpets or not. I suspect sink holes will be next after these things falling from the sky. Then a plague of locusts. Best to dismantle the whole thing.
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Saudi Arabia to review relations with 'untrustworthy' Pakistan

Riyadh: After Pakistan failed to join the Saudi-led Operation Decisive Storm, in which numerous airstrikes were conducted throughout Yemen against Houthi forces between March 26 and April 21this year, Saudi Arabia has now decided to review its military and economic ties with Islamabad.

According to high-level Arab sources based in Dubai, Saudi Arabia has decided to " cool off " its relations with Pakistan after it failed to join the Operation in which 10 Arab states including Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait, the UAR, Qatar and Bahrain took part.


Pakistan was missing from the operation because it claimed that its Parliament passed a resolution that the country would remain "neutral" in the Yemen conflict.

Later, in a damage control exercise, Pakistan's Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Saudi King Salman Bin Abdul Aziz had held a luncheon meeting at the Royal Palace in Riyadh. However this failed to placate the Saudis.

Providing details of the Saudi anger at Pakistan sources said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who arrived with a powerful delegation, including Army Chief General Raheel Sharif and Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, was received by Deputy Crown Prince. This in itself was a snub because normally Sharif would be received by the Crown Prince.

Expressing his anger over Pakistan's inability to choose side in the Yemen conflict, Saudi King Salman during the meet made it clear that Saudi Arabia would not ask help from Pakistan in the future if they didn't join them.

As per Dubai-based high-level Arabian insiders, even though Pakistani political parties have been receiving funding for their political activities since 1947, the nation ditched Saudi Arabia's reciprocal relationship.

Recalling the helps provided to Pakistan, sources said that since the Cold War, the nation supplied pilots to repel advances by communist South Yemeni forces into Saudi Arabia, while Saudis funded the Afghan Mujahedeen in accordance with the US and Pakistan that repelled the Soviet invasion.

When Pakistan was facing possibilities of international sanctions in 1998 for conducting nuclear tests, the Saudis offered 50,000 free barrels of oil to help cushion the blow, they added.

The insiders further stated that Nawaz Sharif, who was deposed from office in 1999 and was facing murder charges, and his family were rescued through Saudi intervention and provision of comfortable exile until former Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf permitted him to return to the country in 2007.

They further pointed out that because Sharif's daughter was married to a grandson of King Fahd, he became a member of the Saudi royal family. In 2014, Saudi Arabia, which continues to be the largest source of petroleum for Pakistan, boosted the nation's weak reserves with a gift of 1.5 billion dollars after Islamabad's reversal of policy of neutrality in the Syrian War. This has funded the LeT and LeJ as well.

Noting Pakistan's unfaithfulness towards its major ally and donor the US, Arabian sources further said that there was nothing new in the nation ditching them during a crisis.

Branding Pakistan as the 'epicentre of terrorism', sources added that the genocide against minority ethnic communities is growing and military and civil government are at odds with each other with army exercising supremacy.

In 2003, Musharraf helped revive the Afghan Taliban to fight the Americans in Afghanistan, which led to the rapid spawning of the Pakistani Taliban who instead chose to fight the Pakistan Army with the aim of turning the country into a theocratic state.

In 2008, Pakistan under President Asif Ali Zardari failed on every level of governance and quickly became so threatened by the army that Zardari decided to hand over all security and foreign-policy making to Army Chief General Pervez Kayani.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and General Raheel Sharif are at loggerheads once again as has been the past practice between Prime Ministers and Army Chiefs.

Concluding that Pakistan will remain a breeding ground for terrorist groups if its funding isn't stopped immediately, the insiders said that Saudi Arabia has decided to distance itself from Pakistan with terror breeding being another factor going into the Saudi decision.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/
Saudi Arabia offers to help with Europe's refugee crisis – by building 200 mosques in Germany

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 97335.html
Mecca crane collapse: 107 dead and at least 238 injured after crane comes down on Grand Mosque
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Saudi diplomat case: Waive immunity, New Delhi tells Riyadh
As the diplomatic crisis over the Saudi diplomat accused of raping two Nepalese women employed by him showed no signs of easing, India has asked the Saudi government to waive the official’s diplomatic immunity and cooperate in the investigation.
According to the Gurgaon police’s detailed report submitted on Wednesday, the diplomat and his father-in-law were accused of raping the women, a crime to which their wives were accomplices, and they had sought permission to proceed against them and question them at the earliest.

There is prima facie evidence of abuse, sodomy and rape by the diplomat and his father-in-law,” said a senior official handling the case, warning that the serious nature of the charges meant the case could “escalate if allowed to linger.”
The Saudi Embassy refused to accept the charges against the diplomat [*]and issued a strong protest to the government on Wednesday on the police’s conduct as well as what it called “false and unproven” reports in the media.
[*] This appears to be their standard response in other cases, and in other countries as well ; question of "face saving"
“Time is of the essence here. It would be best if the Saudi Embassy act swiftly to send the diplomat back on its own,” former IFS officer Pinak Ranjan Chakravarthy told The Hindu.
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Why was the Saudi thug not being monitored by IB?
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^Almost certainly was. But can't be followed into residence I suspect. Diplomatic immunity is a very powerful waiver, unfortunately in this case. Some of the stuff that diplomats get up to in various parts of the world (and get away with) is mind-boggling.

Let us hope that there's some proper financial resolution for the Nepalis at least. Worst part of it (from an issue-handling point of view) is that it appears the victims were Nepali citizens - so it is a trilateral issue.
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i know of one previous case, in 2010 UK, a saudi gay price having a deeply abusive relationship with his partner killed him in a hotel room in a fit of rage. he first tried to claim diplomatic immunity as a saudi royal, but a check of foreign office records showed he was not part of that list, so old bailey gave him minimum 20 years in jail.

funny thing is after finishing his jail term, if he were deported to saudi, he could face the death penalty for being gay and also shaming his clan. so the judge assured him he would be eligible to apply for asylum in UK on his release.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

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in delhi there is nothing holding back police from naming and shaming the 1st secy atleast and rounding up his associates vast majority will not have immunity, some could be students. if he is not co-operating by giving out all their names, make him a no-fly list member and let him continue to be in the saudi consulate where he has taken shelter till such time as he rats on the others in exchange for being declared non-grata and going home. organize daily morchas giving his photo outside the consulate to embarass the ambassador and his clique.

atleast make sure his name and fame is worldwide and no country will ever accept his diplomatic credentials. let him be assigned to stamp passports at jeddah airport for the rest of his career.
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Because 2 women were involved does it possibly mean that the perps could get the death penalty (at least theoretically)?

Also does only the diplomat have immunity or is it extended to his family (including his father in law)?
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Consider the dynamic - father in law and son in law violating women, after sending the daughter/wife and daughter/grand daughter out!!!!
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are the saudis really flooding the oil market in order to kill the shale industry ? one would think US has too much leverage on it for this to happen ?!
wont bankrupting the russians and venezuelans (in return from some quid pro quo from the americans) be a more reasonable explanation ?
BTW, there are people in the US wanting to remove restrictions on exporting oil.

So, while the shale industry could be hurt, there us enough to export.

Also read that the hurt is for Russia and Iran. Shale is a byproduct, if at all.
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Indian Sailors Bombed InSaudi Led Air Attacks In Yemen

'They will kill us, please save us', pleads an Indian sailor stuck in Yemen

Sanaa: Despite an assurance of safe evacuation by the Ministry of External Affairs, it seems that the sailors in Yemen are yet to avail any help from Indian government.
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According to a report by the CNN-IBN, one of the sailors in his audio message has spoken of very tough situation there as “no help has reached” them and they are being bombarded with warplanes.[*]
Meanwhile, the Ministry of External affairs has assured that steps were being taken for the stranded Indian sailors' safe evacuation.
[*] So much so for the "piloting skills" of the Saudi Air Force, which if past reports, are to be believed have "being trained" by the personnel of the one and only Islamic Nuclear Power. :oops:
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=513_1398939613

CSS 2 nuclear capable missile paraded at Hafr Al Batin base - Bad Sharif in attendance earlier this year.
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abhik wrote:Also does only the diplomat have immunity or is it extended to his family (including his father in law)?
Immunity is for all those who hold the diplomatic passport.
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Saudi Arabian diplomat, accused of raping Nepalese women, has left India: Govt
NEW DELHI: Saudi Arabia on Wednesday withdrew its diplomat, accused of raping his Nepali maids, after it refused to waive his diplomatic immunity.

Despite their protestations of innocence, the Saudi Arabian embassy sent their diplomat home before India could declare him persona non grata and expel him.


In a terse statement on Wednesday night, the MEA spokesperson said "We learn that Saudi embassy first secretary, Majed Hassan Ashoor, who is allegedly accused of abusing 2 Nepali maids, has left India. The first secretary being a diplomat is governed by the provisions of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations".

The MEA asked the Saudi authorities to waive his immunity so he could be investigated. The Saudi government refused and withdrew their diplomat which, sources said, was a tacit recognition that their defence was weak.
The police case on the rape will continue, said MEA officials. But it will be difficult to prosecute since the main accused will no longer be there.
The Nepal ambassador had a different perspective.

"The investigation is good. Because Gurgaon police has done a very wonderful job and the MEA is also cooperating. And we have very friendly relations with Saudi government also. Nepal and Saudi Arabia have good relations that's why we are hopeful that it would be amicably settled and the victims will get justice. It's a sensitive issue that's (why) we are waiting and it may take some time. We are in contact with the ministry of external Affairs," Upadhyay said.

Sources said the Indian government had regretted the violation by the police, but felt that in the larger interest of rescuing two women being treated as sex slaves by the diplomat, the police action was justified.
* Hope the poor victims get some financial compensation from the culprit government ; it will not be uncommon to see some sort of retaliatory action against India or Indian economic interest in Saudia
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They got the oil and Modi has just concluded his ME diplomatic push. He won't rock the boat. Unfortunate.
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Was the Father in law rapist also gone? What about the diplomats friends he was lending them to?

What about the human trafficking chain from Nepal to Delhi that supplied this. And who else in the diplomatic circles is involved ?

IB should have kept track and could have blackmailed the rascal.

Also watch for his name as he will turn up later.
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Saudi engineer brutally beats up Indian worker, video goes viral
A viral video that claims to show a Saudi engineer brutally beating up an Indian worker engaged in the Grand Mosque expansion work in Mecca has raked up a major debate in Saudi Arabia. The video, which was initially shared on Facebook, has been viewed by thousands of social media users across the globe.

The shocking video shows a Saudi engineer beating up an Indian worker, who repeatedly tries to apologise. In the nearly two-minute video, the construction worker is seen pleading for mercy, while the Saudi engineer continues to kick and flog him. The engineer also spits on him after repeatedly slapping him.
Tarek Fatah, a Canadian journalist, who shared the video on his Facebook page posted it with the caption: "Saudis beat an Indian to pulp. Are we surprised then when a Saudi diplomat rapes Indian and Nepalese woman in Delhi as a matter of his right?"

[Click here to watch video: Warning disturbing content]

The incident has raked up a major debate in Saudi Arabia, where a lawyer has asked the government to take legal action against the engineer. Lawyer Abdulaziz Al-Mushaiti has approached the Saudi government to arrest the engineer, Saudi Gazette reported.
Al Mushaiti noted that the treatment of the worker was "inhumane" and swift legal action must be taken to punish the guilty.

Many in Saudi Arabia, who shared the video, noted that the actions of the engineer were shameful and the humiliation that he meted out to the worker should be condemned.

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Vikram Malhotra

How inhuman one could be! My heart goes out to this man and all
the people of the world who are trapped in difficult situations. God has given these perpetrators a field to play out their deeds - and they don't realise what karma they are accumulating. Judgement day! Their five-time prayer will not get them anywhere close to the gates of hell!

Gauri Lankesh
This is how Saudis treat Indians. And Modi's government allows the rapist to escape.
And this country, inhabited 99% by the followers of the Religion of Peece was "rewarded" by the United Nations by being appointed to a Human Rights Council seat :roll:
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I am not entirely convinced by the description of that video. I recall seeing it atleast a year ago and the description was that he was a handyman or delivery man of sorts who had 'dared to talk to the saudi wife' in the course of his work hence the big dog went after him as only big dog is allowed to touch/talk/see the burqa clad human.

that does not absolve the big dog of criminal behaviour, just saying it might be a recycled old video with new description.
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^^yup, he's a handyman or construction supply worker of some kind. That does not look like a home, but rather as the office site of a second-rate firm. Further, the TV suggests it is not current, but that is not conclusive. Many Saudi second or third rate "engineering office" type set-ups have ancient shite in them. I'm not certain, but I think I've seen this video before too - shared on mobile.
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