J&K News and Discussion-2011

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Sep 2014 14:13

Well floods happen, People die as has been happening across the world since H first gave 'big "O" to 2.
What is so special about Kashmir submerged in water. It is goto Pakistan and then flush exercise by nature to clean up.

I know very soon I am going to see a email in my office asking for donation for Kashmir floods.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 25 Sep 2014 14:54

Kashmiri muslims asking for victims of terrorism, floods, earthquake etc. were a nuisance a while back. Mostly college students begging money to help victims of floods which happened god knows when. Now that the floods have happened for real, expect a surge again. Going by their modus operandi, I'm reasonably sure that the money mostly went to terrorists and their sympathisers.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Sep 2014 15:40

I can understand Kashmiri Muslims asking for money but I fail to understand uber Indian kids collecting or asking for money in the name of Kashmir floods. Such folks must be asked to live in Kashmir for few weeks to understand the reality of life.

Anyways I wait for next round of stone pelting and whining as How GoI's lack of help converted more young Kashmiri men to terrorism as if truck loads of help was coming from Shittistan. Just wait for assembly elections in few months.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 25 Sep 2014 18:16

Though the reporter tries to be diplomatic, she atleast tells what happened

http://www.ndtv.com/article/blog/report ... mir-597487

Our team was perhaps the first to go on a rescue mission with the army. Paradise was under water. The only way to move around was with the forces in army trucks and boats.

One evening, around 9:30 pm, our boat rescued one officer and ten civilians - all local Kashmiris.

But as the soldiers stretched out their hand to the locals, young men showered abuses on the men in uniform. Even a young Kashmiri man who dared to hop onto the boat, wasn't spared.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 25 Sep 2014 20:54

BTW, in all this confusion the arch-terrorist Geelani has found time (and money) to land up in Kerala seeking relief funds. I don't know if he has visited any state and tried collecting funds.
Devious Intentions behind Geelani’s Kerala Visit: BJP
Hope state BJP folks instead of whining have also raised their concerns with their own party folks who rule the centre now.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Sep 2014 21:38

^ Bigger surprise is that people would offer him money and other stuff instead of dropping him in the same enclosure where the kid landed.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 25 Sep 2014 22:21

Dhimmis "R" US did a non stop coverage of the valley even though the casualty in Jammu was 3 times more than the valley. More people died in the North East flood of last week than the valley but there was hardly any coverage of that at all.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Sep 2014 18:35

Turkey ready to play role in Kashmir settlement - DT

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has said that Turkey is ready to play its due role for a peaceful settlement of longstanding Kashmir issue and the solution should be acceptable to Pakistan, India and Kashmiri people – the real stakeholders.

“Aspirations of Kashmiri people for self-determination must be addressed in accordance with relevant UN resolutions and Turkey is ready to play its due role in this regard,” he said during a sideline meeting of the OIC Contact Group on Jammu Kashmir here at the UN headquarters in New York. The meeting was chaired by OIC Secretary General Iyad Ameen Manani.

The Turk minister said that the international community had a moral and legal responsibility to resolve this longstanding issue. Expressing concern over cancellation of talks with Pakistan by India and the rising tensions across the Line of Control in the disputed state, he called on the parties to resume negotiations without delay and engage in a meaningful and result-oriented dialogue for a peaceful resolution of all disputes including Kashmir.

On the occasion, Saudi permanent representative to OIC Mohammad Tayyab also said that Jammu Kashmir was a longstanding issue on the agenda of the UN Security Council which needed resolution by the international community. Saudi Arabia strongly supported the realisation of the rights of Kashmiri people through peaceful dialogue, which was the only way out for both Pakistan and India, he said.

He said that any settlement of the conflict must take into account the aspirations of Kashmiri people. Saudi Arabia wanted Pakistan and India to resume negotiations process and the United Nations to invest more efforts in a peaceful resolution of the conflict. It was high-time that the Kashmiri people were given their fundamental human rights and a chance to live in peace and dignity, he said.

Azad Jammu Kashmir President Sardar Muhammad Yaqoob and Hurriyat representative Ishtiyaq Hameed also delivered statements in which they highlighted the ground situation arising from the continued Indian occupation and oppressions, and the recent devastating floods in both sides of the Line of Control. The Kashmiri delegation also presented a memorandum to the OIC secretary general containing proposals for a peaceful resolution of the Kashmir issue.

I want the spokesperson of the MEA to remind Turkey of the need to 'address the aspirations of the Kurish people' whose self-determination must be addressed immediately. India must also extend its good offices to the resolution of the vexatious Kurdistan issue.

As for our friends from the deserts, we need to remind them of the long-standing issue of the Shia-dominated Eastern Saudi Arabia. It is high-time that the long-suffering Shia Muslims along the entire eastern stretch from Al Khobar to Jubail are given their fundamental rights and a chance to live with dignity and not as second-class citizens. After all, it is the wealth generated by the oil sucked out from their lands that the rest of KSA enjoys leaving them famished. Again, India can do whatever it can in this endeavour.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 26 Sep 2014 19:20

^^Our response to this will sting.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Sep 2014 19:27

Due role??

Who gave turkey any rights to interfere??

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 26 Sep 2014 19:51

No one. They have been getting a bit big-headed of late. We have always been respectful, perhaps too respectful, and diplomatic with them. Of course, this is a Daily Times article. We need to see the exact statement, etc. I would not care much if it was the usual OIC pap, but this comment by the Turkish FM if true, is irritating. He is new, so perhaps not adequately briefed. We shall see.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 27 Sep 2014 09:18

If there's a good reason for it, I fail to see it but why doesn't India accept the UN mandated plebiscite on J&K? Unless I'm mistaken:

* Pakistan is required to restore the pre-invasion (1947) status quo in PoK/NA which includes vacating the original borders and restoring demographics before any such plebiscite can happen.
* This also means that Pakistan must ask the Chinese to return the Shaksgam Valley that was gifted to the latter by the pakis.
* The Chinese must also get out of Aksai Chin, a part of the original J&K.

We have a strong legal case in the UN because we have scrupulously kept our end of the bargain (like goody, goody starched-pant boy scouts) and refused to fully integrate J&K into India via Art 370. On the other hand, we have been wimps and shamefully allowed the original Kashmiris who descended from Sage Kashyap and were there before the Muslims even set eyes on Kashmir to be ethnically cleansed from the Valley by the Muslim population.

If the chances of the above conditions being met prove to be zero, as it will almost certainly be, let that be cast in stone at the UN. That will finally stop the plebiscite nonsense, allow us to fully integrate and repopulate the Valley to make it Indic majority (Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist) like the pakis have turned Shia PoK into a Sunni majority area, scrap Art 370 and let it be known that the Pakis and Chinese must get out of PoK/NA, Shaksgam and Aksai Chin before any talks can take place. We should make it plain that we intend to take over these areas if they are not vacated. We must be far more aggressive about pointing out the plain truth--PoK and Aksai Chin were grabbed illegally and this is recognized by the UN. It is NOT INDIA that is on the wrong side of the law in J&K. It is the pakis and Chinese who have behaved like lawless bandits.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 27 Sep 2014 10:05

Victor are you proposing that we should adapt our declared position to one that can be summarised as "India is ready for a plebiscite once all conditions for that plebiscite are met"?

If yes, that may be a position that we can take in the future. What's the hurry, at a time when Pakistan is behaving predictably like a moron, and China is steadily boxing themselves in strategically? We needn't provide the laxative for either party's constipating policies. China is better at this game, so a separate border deal with them would be fine. But Pakistan? We need them to continue stewing as Kao rightly recommended. We need them to demonstrate to the world the contours of one form of Islamic statehood. Plus otherwise, we might have to close the Benis and TSP threads.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 27 Sep 2014 10:20

Nawaz Sharif addressing audiences at the UN about the Kashmir issue.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 27 Sep 2014 10:28

Looks like mainly Umma in attendance, and not many of them even. Good. Couldn't have been planned better. The fool raised the J&K issue, even without Advani to goad them to do it; attendance is obvious in the photo. Can't ask for more really. Well, it would have been nice if he practised some inner jihad while on the podium, but that is too much to expect I guess.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 27 Sep 2014 18:21

JEM, the real fun will start with the jaguar vein off the table, the benis and tsp threads will go into overtime.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 27 Sep 2014 20:12

RJ Naved's call to a paki radio station about Billoo. Hilarious!

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 27 Sep 2014 20:17

Victor can I also add that China's invasion of Tibet makes it difficult to restore the status quo ante as much of ladakh borders the Tibet region. Kahmiri jihadists and their apologists in the west don't like this being mentioned

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 27 Sep 2014 20:19

Indeed. They are gradually beginning to realise that it is already off the table... and hence the flopping about like fish out of water.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 27 Sep 2014 21:32

The only way to get back PoK/NA (and we must) without falling back on the Law of The Jungle is to legally negate the paki occupation using the laws of the "international community" aka UN, and failing their vacating the place (which is 99.99% likely), to take it back by force. Tibet is a separate issue even if it is next door because it has nothing to do with us in legal terms. What the rest of the world thinks is immaterial and we must at least begin to sound like we are not forgetting it. Our legal position is unassailable and the absolute worst thing we can do is not underline that at every opportunity.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Sep 2014 21:39

anupmisra wrote:RJ Naved's call to a paki radio station about Billoo. Hilarious!

This guy is amazing. I listen to him every now and then. He had made another such call sometime ago regarding domestic law and order. Absolutely on the dot.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 27 Sep 2014 22:34

anupmisra wrote:RJ Naved's call to a paki radio station about Billoo. Hilarious!

That was hilarious. Our DDM should learn a thing or two from him. I will have to find a way to listen to this guy regularly.

wig · Post by **wig** » 01 Oct 2014 21:27

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 017907.cms

Pak army fires at Indian posts in J&K's Poonch, India retaliates strongly

Defence sources told IANS: "Pakistan army resorted to unprovoked firing at two of our posts on the LoC in Poonch district today evening."

They added: "They are using small arms and automatics to target our positions. Our troops have responded with equal calibre weapons.

"Pakistan firing started at 7pm on Wednesday and till last reports came, firing exchanges were still going on in the area."

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 01 Oct 2014 21:34

Why equal caliber arms? Are they playing Ping-Pong ?

Vivasvat · Post by **Vivasvat** » 04 Oct 2014 09:17

Noorani panders to his masters in paki newspaper opinion - lungi in full shiver due to BJP rule.
Politics of floods

The tragedy has not deflected the BJP government at the centre from pursuing its policy. Last month, Home Minister Rajnath Singh wrote to Omar Abdullah seeking allocation of “suitable’ land for creating dwelling units to rehabilitate Kashmiri Pandits who had left the area during the militancy. “Land may be identified near the native places they migrated from.”

After migration, some Pandits jumped into the lap of the Sangh Parivar and set up an extremist body, Panun Kashmir

The enclaves they demand will be like Israeli settlements on the West Bank. Here is an area in which Kashmiris should join hands to offer them a return to their former homes with self-respect. Feverish moves are being made to register their names on the electoral rolls so that the BJP, which has no presence in Kashmir, acquires their votes in its drive to secure 44-plus seats in the 87-member Srinagar assembly.

Rajnath Singh’s recent statement is ominous. “We are preparing a comprehensive policy on Kashmir. We will announce it soon.”

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Oct 2014 09:27

^^Bjorn Biglund feels strongly about above, hence this comment is apparently awaiting moderation never to be published:

This writer is an old bigot who has long been peddling his tripe on the back of freedom of speech. What he has forgotten is in India people have also long exercised the freedom to ignore, which they have done with casual indifference as far as his articles are concerned; probably why he is relegated to your columns. No worries, his view has consistently been that whatever India does is wrong, and whatever Pakistan does is well, something to be quiet about because he probably still has family in Kashmir who are interested in keeping their heads. Further, his recommendation for taking the view of "bureaucrats with probity" is a self-reference. He considers himself as one of those who should be consulted. But the man is a never been has been. He has nothing of value to offer except bitterness and a green-tinted vision of a past that never was. Sort of like this newspaper. Looking backward to his next column.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 11 Oct 2014 03:30

Are these guys for real?

Cabinet approves Rs 44,000 cr package for submission to GoI

Srinagar, Oct 10: The Cabinet which met here under the chairmanship of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah approved special financial package for submission to Government of India for providing of funds to the tune of Rs 44, 000 cr for rehabilitation of the people who suffered due to floods and for restoration of the damaged infrastructure.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Oct 2014 09:12

Dipanker wrote:Are these guys for real?
Srinagar, Oct 10: The Cabinet which met here under the chairmanship of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah approved special financial package for submission to Government of India for providing of funds to the tune of Rs 44, 000 cr for rehabilitation of the people who suffered due to floods and for restoration of the damaged infrastructure.

Modi Money Mantra is why Omar now trying to get close to Modi.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2014 11:10

Jhujar wrote: Modi Money Mantra is why Omar now trying to get close to Modi.

Jhujar, where is Omar trying to get close to Modi? He was critical of Modi for calling-off peace talks. He said that the Hurriyat meeting with the Pakistani High Commissioner was a routine affair for the past 20 years etc. He also commiserated with people on either side of the border due to the firings ! The Abdullah family, like most of the rest of the Kashmiris, is as dodgy as ever.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 11 Oct 2014 12:10

Jhujar wrote: Modi Money Mantra is why Omar now trying to get close to Modi.

The money should be disbursed but with such stringent clauses that Kashmiris should be put to hard work and get every paisa of this funds by hard work. Not by stone throwing or throwing tantrums. This is the time to teach the Kashmiri lazy bums the benefit of hard work, better for GoI not to leave it.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Oct 2014 13:20

barkha dutt ‏@BDUTT 2h2 hours ago

Am hearing that General Ata Hasnain to be the new Governor of J&K. Fantastic choice. A Gentleman Soldier. Understands J&K with empathy

James B · Post by **James B** » 11 Oct 2014 14:21

Gen Ata Hasnain is a great choice for J&K governor. He was 15th Corps commander in J&K. He is a visiting fellow at Vivekananda International Foundation. Heard lot of good views about him as GOC of 15th Corps.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 11 Oct 2014 20:13

Forget rules, settle flood claims: 'honourable 'SC

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Oct 2014 20:19

svenkat wrote:
Forget rules, settle flood claims: 'honourable 'SC

Were they similarly insistent during floods in other parts of the country involving other communities?? Just asking onlee.

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 11 Oct 2014 20:53

Lt gen s k sihna was the man who turned tides in Kashmir by fighting against the system but the reward he got was, sadly he was removed from the governor job.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2014 21:25

svenkatJi, I respectfully disagree for the following reasons:

1. For purelly civilized, ethical, moralistic, common sense reasons. One does not discriminate against another just based on their religion.

2. I have seen and heard Gen Ata Hasnain, and he is articulate and competent and patriotic as any Indian can be.

Now whether or not Bukara endorses his is another matter.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 11 Oct 2014 22:42

How about first settle the KP's in Kashmir and then worry about Kashmir valley's claims. After all KP's were the first sufferers in this Queue and this 44,000 crore seems to have been pulled out of musharaff. What happened to we don't need India and Indian help. What happened to those banners by people on dry grounds during flood.
Knowing Kashmiri Muslims, every tom dick and harry would come with 'Kashkol' and ask for money.After all free money from India is what has sustained Kashmiri Muslims for so many years.

SC's job is to implement law and not make up rules on the go. Why so much sympathy with Kashmiri's and none with rest of Indians. I didn't see SC doing any didly squat when Hindus were/are being slaughtered in Kashmir. Not a single Kashmiri terrorist hanged or thrown behind bars for life since Maqbool Bhat. After all Terrorism in Kashmir wasn't being peperated by little green men from Mars.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 12 Oct 2014 00:23

You can buy musharraf of every single Kashmiri for 44,000 crores and still have a few thousand crores left over.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Oct 2014 05:20

Much more efficient for the Abdullah gang to keep 40,000 crores and give 4000 to the Jehad to avoid trouble for them (the gang).

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 12 Oct 2014 07:43

[Useless rant deleted. If your only argument against an IA officer is his religion, then you need some alternate place to vent your frustration. Not on BRF. And let this be amply clear to everyone here. Don't get any funny ideas. And no more discussion on this topic. - rohitvats]