J&K News and Discussion-2011

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Mar 2015 00:02

schinnas wrote:
rohitvats wrote:It appears to me that both parties - PDP and BJP - have formed the government with NOT the intention of running a stable organization but preparing the ground-work of next election. And which can happen anytime over next 6 months to 12 months. Each one will attempt to play a narrative opposite to other to please their constituency. Here is my take on the situation:

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(5) BJP has a very strong fight at it's hand and are against a wily politician in Mufti. Local BJP leadership does not seem like up to task to take him on - the burden will again fall on BJP central leadership.

Also, it is very very important that BJP is SEEN preserving the interests of its HINDU constituency in Jammu - it will have to put in place a counter-narrative to what PDP is doing. It has to emerge as the sole voice which can carry HINDU voice in Valley and try and maximize its seat+vote-share in Hindu dominated Jammu and some in Muslim dominated Jammu. Further, try and get seats in Ladakh.

Speed is of essence - BJP cannot be in reactionary mode and allow PDP/Mufti to set the agenda. I'm afraid there will be no honeymoon period here.
Very well said. I was actually surprised at the cabinet portfolios BJP agreed to. It seems lose-lose proposition. Without at least one of Finance, Home or Law portfolios, BJP cannot do much and it would be a lose-lose situation. Also, in a highly dynamic local environment, leaving decision making to central leadership is a good way of committing political suicide. BJP state unit must gets its act together and have a media savvy leader. And the obvious choice would be the Deputy CM (with some media managers sent by Central leadership).

why were people like ram madhav included in the talks?? Did the BJP not see this freight train barreling down the tunnel with lights on or did they simply mistake it for the light at the end of the tunnel.

Giving up all major portfolios and accepting ones like "science and technology", was this part of the healing touch??

dealing with such a rabid lot, were there no intelligence inputs of any kind??

Pulling the plug on the PDP will be the worst thing that the BJP may have to do and the pakis will immediately involve the united nations, eu, etc TO VERY EFFECTIVELY POINT OUT THAT INDIAN ELECTIONS ARE A SHAM, like they were saying for decades.

The vengeful termite queen with the vatican support will complete the other jaw of the closing pincer movement.

BJP, NaMo and the country is on a very sticky wicket. But I have full faith in the MAD.

tactically, the pakis have gamed this very well.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Mar 2015 00:07

This is new territory now for the nation. This is a process where the local party is to be brought under the national interest.

It will take time and it will be like AAP experiment.

chetak wrote:

Pulling the plug on the PDP will be the worst thing that the BJP may have to do and the pakis will immediately involve the united nations, eu, etc TO VERY EFFECTIVELY POINT OUT THAT INDIAN ELECTIONS ARE A SHAM, like they were saying for decades.

This will be done in a constitutional way over national interest, national security and political stability.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Mar 2015 00:13

Chetak, BJP with 25 seats had to support PDP to form the govt as that was the fractured will of the people. Both Congress and NC were not. One cant believe in democracy and boycott if numbers don't add up. Not supporting PDP would mean return to Governor's rule which the people didn't want.

Besides by forming the govt, INC-NC cabal has been kept out of power which is good for the whole state of J&K.

Now PDP is appeasing its separatists. and wants BJP to walk out so it gets stigma.

Pakis are talking to Hurrirats even after being told not to.
Now PDP is displaying its inner separatist hamartia.

NaMo has given politics a chance. And its blowing up itself.
Lets see how it plays without blowing fuze here.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Mar 2015 00:29

ramana wrote:Chetak, BJP with 25 seats had to support PDP to form the govt as that was the fractured will of the people. Both Congress and NC were not. One cant believe in democracy and boycott if numbers don't add up. Not supporting PDP would mean return to Governor's rule which the people didn't want.

Besides by forming the govt, INC-NC cabal has been kept out of power which is good for the whole state of J&K.

Now PDP is appeasing its separatists. and wants BJP to walk out so it gets stigma.
Lets see how it plays without blowing fuze here.

Not blowing any fuse, sirji.

In any negotiations, is it not wise to game all the possibilities and then gradually discard the more improbable ones as the ground situations crystallize??

With mufti and the PDP, the first thing to game would have to be betrayal and the resulting re elections. Gifting away too much power to the PDP (which did not let go finance and home, knowing that the two would be crucial to re elections) was not wise. Both the BJP and the PDP were unhappy with their numbers and both would desperately have wanted to improve on their individual numbers in the next elections. Betrayal should have been uppermost on the minds of the BJP and solid backup moves to counter it, deployed in advance.

The Local BJP leadership consists of a bunch of novices who would not recognize power it it jumped up and bit them on their @ss. lal bhathi, naukar-chakar, bangla, loaves and fishes and the security guards was what interested them. They could then swan around and wait for NaMo to come and win them their next elections for them.

Having lived with the kashimiri muslims for decades, the locals should have been able to see the betrayal coming from miles away.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Mar 2015 00:39

svinayak wrote:This is new territory now for the nation. This is a process where the local party is to be brought under the national interest.

It will take time and it will be like AAP experiment.

chetak wrote:

Pulling the plug on the PDP will be the worst thing that the BJP may have to do and the pakis will immediately involve the united nations, eu, etc TO VERY EFFECTIVELY POINT OUT THAT INDIAN ELECTIONS ARE A SHAM, like they were saying for decades.
This will be done in a constitutional way over national interest, national security and political stability.

Any pulling of the plug, even in the most benign, constitutionally sound way ( none seem to exist presently ) will see the pakis wading in with both feet.

This is one opportunity that we have wantonly lobbed into the paki court and gifted away a golden chance for them to smash it in.

Like I said, fingers crossed and faith in MAD.

The hurriyat and the paki embassy tango in dilli is another front that they have tactically opened up. Maybe it's time to send high commissioner basit and his gang home and declare them as PNG.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 10 Mar 2015 00:59

barkha dutt @BDUTT · 2h 2 hours ago
Breaking -Decision to release Masrat Alam taken before Mufti took charge, during Governor's rule. @nazir_masoodi reporting details now

Another landmine pre-planted

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 10 Mar 2015 05:20

Mufti is basically betting BJP will have to give him money and funds, else he can blame them for no action, and if he gets the money, he will make sure Jammu gets none of it, and reduce BJP's support there. Win-win all the way for that separatist mofo mufti -- and this guy was the Home Minister for India under the INC, go figure. Basically, what did the BJP get for this lose-lose tie-up with the PDP? Are they really that naive?

As an aside, All the pro-paki scum in Kashmir are now spreading their tentacles into Jammu, while keeping up their anti-hindu vitriol in Kashmir, lockstep with Pakis declaring Jammu-Pakistan border as a "working border"..not a coincidence surely.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 10 Mar 2015 11:27

My CT...
They are trying to make other factions like Hurry-Rats irrelevant by letting Mufti eat up their territory. Just like Mufti may use BJP and then dump them, Even BJP is trying to use Mufti and may dump him at a convenient time.
Bottomline unless you make J&K Hindu-majority, The problem of Terrorism and Pakistan is bot going to go away.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Mar 2015 11:34

skekatpuray wrote:
barkha dutt @BDUTT · 2h 2 hours ago
Breaking -Decision to release Masrat Alam taken before Mufti took charge, during Governor's rule. @nazir_masoodi reporting details now
Another landmine pre-planted

one wonders if NaMo has been successful in cleansing the Augean stables of the accumulated scamgress filth and landmines purposely left behind and it looks like his tiny minded colleagues are blissfully unaware of the dangers of operating with such pre paid wh@res.
The fakers are using gmail addresses, quoting the same in their official correspondence.

runditv was waiting with this ambush.

Decision to Free Separatist Masarat Alam Taken During Central Rule in Jammu and Kashmir, Reveal Letters

March 10, 2015

New Delhi: Kashmiri separatist Masarat Alam's release from jail - which has led to a major political row - was initiated when Jammu and Kashmir was under central rule, letters accessed exclusively by NDTV reveal.

Two letters show that the state's Mufti Mohammad Sayeed government, which took power on March 1, had no direct role in the separatist's release. This contradicts the Centre and Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who on Monday said that the state government led by his ally had not consulted his government. "I share the opposition's aakrosh (anger)," he said in Parliament.

In a letter on February 4, the state's Home Secretary Suresh Kumar told the Jammu District Magistrate that an order detaining the separatist under the Public Safety Act had become void as it had not been confirmed in time by the state Home Department.

When the Home Department asked whether there was any fresh ground for detaining Masarat Alam, the district magistrate replied in the negative.

Despite the alert in February, no fresh charges were brought against Alam during the 49-day governor's rule. The governor and the police both report to the union home ministry, which raises the question whether Home Minister Rajnath Singh was briefed properly before his statement in Parliament blaming the separatist's release on the state government.

In a letter on March 4, three days after the PDP-BJP government took power, the Jammu district magistrate wrote to the police saying Alam's preventive detention had "not been approved by the government" and he should be released.

The hardline separatist, accused of spearheading the 2010 stone-throwing protests and jailed repeatedly under the Public Security Act, was freed on Saturday.

"It amounts to misleading the house. Government must present true facts in the house," said BSP leader Mayawati.

The controversy has strained the days-old alliance between ideological opposites PDP and the BJP. Sources say the PDP may have been silent on the details, despite the BJP's strong displeasure, as it does not want to lose credit for what it calls a "reconciliation effort" to engage Kashmiri separatists for peace.

NDTV EXCLUSIVE: Jammu and Kashmir Home Secretary's letter to District Magistrate, Jammu

NDTV EXCLUSIVE: Jammu and Kashmir Home Secretary's letter to District Magistrate, Jammu

NDTV EXCLUSIVE: Jammu District Magistrate's letter to Senior Superintendent of Police, Jammu

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 10 Mar 2015 22:01

Anyone else think this Masarat Alam episode would have been possible without the willful connivance of politically compromised lootyens babucracy scum in New Delhi deliberately keeping the govt. in the dark about this information?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Mar 2015 23:57

Tuvaluan wrote:Anyone else think this Masarat Alam episode would have been possible without the willful connivance of lootyens babucracy scum in New Delhi deliberately keeping the govt. in the dark about this information?

The concerned BJP ministers are ignorant buffoons.

In spite of such proof, and other previous evidence, if they continue down this ruinous route, they will pay for it.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 11 Mar 2015 00:40

Chetak, agree with you there. The ruling party won't last beyond their first term if they continue to allow the politically compromised New-Delhi lutyens babucracy scum to undermine them in the continuing years and are complacent about it, as they seem to be. Just one year, and hubris already set in?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 11 Mar 2015 03:43

Sagarika Ghose is a despicable cretin like all the spawn of the repugnant rat b**ards in the Lutyens Bureaucracy, so it is too much to expect anything intelligent to come out of her mouth, but she is actually saying this about MAsarat Alam without questioning the motives of the PDP mofo who made this statement. No attempt to ask about the murder charges and the stone throwing that got a lot of people killed in 2010.

Ghose:"There are no criminal charges against Alam. Not every Kashmiri Muslim with a beard is a villainous Mahmud of Ghazni." PDP leader to me"

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Mar 2015 07:45

One of the pitfalls of even India jumping on the Osama Bin Ladin is the gold standard for terrorism, and not Pakis when it comes to India, is precisely this. A terrorist in India can claim he is not a terrorist by saying Osama Bin Ladin is a terrorist and not he. I am sure "Hudson peace Institute" or "Bulletin of Atomic Farts" will invite this guy like they did to Mush and puke about "freedom struggle" against India, and how India is trying to compare him with OBL

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 24917.aspx

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 11 Mar 2015 12:40

I think the release of this guy is being over hyped by media and BRF experts. Govts do all sorts of things including sometimes releasing detainees and sometimes re-arresting them and sometimes even negotiating with them.
If Mufti is elected as CM of the state, Then allow him some leverage to handle things and run govt.

If MMS (Mufti Sayyed) was/is a anti-national then why on earth did you tie up with him in the first place. Its not as if he has developed fangs after the oath of office. Everyone and his uncle knew where Mufti's sympathies lied and his most likely actions in first few days.
Calling almost all the BJP leadership buffoon or wet behind the ears probably is the best case of being Arm chair Jingoistic while hoping that MAD have answer to every potential issue or threat.

BTW Mufti is catering to his core constituency while NDA has totally ignored theirs.

Last if Alam should be arrested and thrown behind bars, then why is Geelani enjoying Gosht-Biryani on Govt expense till now.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 11 Mar 2015 17:40

I do not know who the ministers are and did not refer to them as buffoons, though it is quite incredible that the govt. would act surprised about the release of Alam if it was all well known to them, and if so, why all this sudden act of surprise? Does not make them look competent.

My comment is limited to BJP's poor political judgement in getting into this alliance, which could alienate supporters of BJP. The perception of being yanked around by the likes of Mufti is not going down well with his supporters, that's for sure. As for Alam, the guy got a couple of 100 people killed with his stone throwing in 2010, unlike Geelani who has only been making pro-paki speeches for the past few decades. As for the parasites from Lutyen, I think I know enough to figure that they are working for the interests of themselves, and would not mind undercutting the political class to further their own interests.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Mar 2015 19:41

VikasRainaJi,

Good points, but I fault ModiJi/Jaitly/Shah for not not managing this well. Now the the Cong traitor drumbeat is that BJP escorted terrorists to Kandahar, and now this. BJP is doing worse than what it accused the Cong of doing. Usual shameless bean counting. BJP is a sell out. Yada yada.

I mean, during the alliance talks could BJP have not insisted that any controversial stuff must be first discussed before going to media? I am 100% pro-BJP, but man, and my heart goes out to ModiJi, Ram Madhav, supreme simpleton nationalists in getting into this complicated alliance. They had to sleep with the devil in the larger interests of India, and take the risk of being ridiculed as they are, by the Cong and other traitors.

So my criticism is not the decision itself, but how its being managed. After all make no mistake about it, India is dealing with rabid valley Muslims who 100% as Paki as their pigLeT mentor Hafeez Saeed. Short of gunning down every last b@stard, which India can easily do, there has to be some other way to at least turn these MoFos around a few notches. And by opening up itself to ridicule, BJP still entered into this bogus alliance with the hope of getting a foothold into the valley through the likes of Hina Bhatt etc. A retired Indian army general said on the other day that while pigLeT sentiment runs high, there is also a ground swell of opinion that is pro-India, but out of fear of ISI, Harried rats, and other assorted scum like this Alam guy, they can't express themselves until the right moment. Thats what BJP is working towards.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 11 Mar 2015 22:29

Isn't this nice, the RSS publishes a paki version of the India map -- very nationalist surely.

http://organiser.org/Encyc/2015/3/10/40 ... 3_Sarc.jpg

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Mar 2015 06:36

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/201 ... democracy/

Had he been in the opposition, Modi would have lost no time in demanding a crackdown in Srinagar. But now the prime minister finds himself maneuvered into a tight corner by Sayeed, at 79 the veteran of many an intrigue.

If Modi were to pull on the plug on the new government in Kashmir, it would please many hawks in his party, but the satisfaction would be short-lived. Sayeed would likely extend the PDP’s gains in new elections, and perhaps form a majority government in the state. If Modi were to ignore Sayeed’s provocation, that might embolden Kashmir’s chief minister even further.

Modi has to find some middle path that enables him to set down his own roots and his own authority in the troubled state, or else he will join the list of prime ministers who have made no headway in Kashmir. The game is fascinatingly poised.

More generally, the present dispute in Kashmir leads to another point about India today. The words “Indian democracy” sometimes obscure the truth that a prominent feature of that democracy is its federalism, and some of the most interesting developments in the field originate in the states, or in the interplay — as in Kashmir — between state and center.

Many of the larger Indian states — Uttar Pradesh, Maharashtra, West Bengal, Bihar — have higher populations than some of the largest countries in Europe, and they have developed their own democratic norms and peculiarities, good and bad. The present political crisis is mainly a crisis because it represents a rare chance for Kashmiri democracy to advance hand in hand with, rather than in resistance to, the central government.

It is an opportunity — and a dilemma — of which Modi is acutely aware.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 14 Mar 2015 06:51

Mufti buckles in flag fight - J&K govt withdraws circular to placate BJP

Srinagar, March 13: The Jammu and Kashmir government has in less than 24 hours withdrawn a circular that reaffirmed the equal sanctity of the state flag and the Tricolour, apparently to placate ruling ally BJP.

Chief minister Mufti Mohammad Sayeed of the People's Democratic Party has repeatedly nettled the BJP in his 12 days in power, not least by releasing Hurriyat hardliner Masarat Alam from jail.

Officials said the circular was withdrawn after an outcry by the BJP, whose precursor Jana Sangh had fought for abolition of the state flag and the state constitution.

Jana Sangh founder Syama Prasad Mookerjee's pet slogan was: " Ek desh mein do vidhan, do pradhan aur do nishan nahin chalega (One country can't have two constitutions, two prime ministers and two flags)."

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 Mar 2015 07:00

A_Gupta,

All that is fine and dandy, but remember, TSP is maneuvering too big time. TSP has Mufti & Co by their b@lls. One wrong move which TSP does not approve of, and Mufti's had will be blown off by ISI. Isn't it painful, any move India makes, TSP has a counter strategy to thwart India's gain. What I mean is that this democratic exercise which TSP did everything to thwart, was India's effort. Getting a govt representing all sections of the state is India's brain child. Making reasonable compromises between Kashmiri nationalism, and Indian soverignty is once again India's genius. But even after all this, TSP remains the king pin thug to demolish India's efforts. And the irony, TSP is exploiting the democratic dividend too, which they had nothing to do with, and did everything to destroy. Give peace a chance, destroy this abomination.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 14 Mar 2015 07:44

PDP’s CBMs: Upgrade BJP Ministers, set up a panel

With relations strained between the PDP and its ally BJP after the release of separatist leader Masarat Alam, the PDP plans to reinforce its commitment to the alliance through a series of confidence building measures.

Elevating two BJP ministers of state with independent charge to Cabinet rank, setting up a coordination committee for better communication, allocating more portfolios to Sajjad Lone and more prominence to deputy CM Nirmal Singh in the Valley are some initiatives the two parties have agreed on.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 14 Mar 2015 22:10

.." I mean is that this democratic exercise which TSP did everything to thwart, was India's effort. Getting a govt representing all sections of the state is India's brain child. Making reasonable compromises between Kashmiri nationalism, and Indian soverignty is once again India's genius. "

Well said, CRamS. It is distressing how short people's memory is, particularly when it comes to Islamist violence that is backed by Pakistan. The first time the PDP came into power, in the autumn of 2002, was after an election in which *500* people were murdered by Islamist militants. The number included one sitting minister, from the National Conference, and one major political candidate. There were also 3 attempts to kill a female NC candidate. And even CNN had to highlight her narrow escapes.

No one in their right minds, using the greatest reach of their imagination, could accuse the Indian state and army of 'repression and human rights violations' during that election. It was that same Indian state and army which upheld democracy and pluralism, it was the separatists and Islamists who tried everything to sabotage it.

It's distressing how many Indians cannot articulate relatively simple thoughts, and remember even fairly big events, like the violence racked Kashmir election in 2002, the massacre of wives and children of army personnel at Kaluchak a few months earlier, and the bombings of the Raghunath temple and a cricket watching crowd, also in that same year.

Instead, the more vocal/visible Indian tendency is to praise Pakistan, for the fall in militancy and terror in Kashmir and elsewhere, witness Aakar Patel's articles in Outlook, which actually lay more blame on India for not talking to Pakistan sufficiently.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 14 Mar 2015 22:17

Tuvaluan wrote:Isn't this nice, the RSS publishes a paki version of the India map -- very nationalist surely.

http://organiser.org/Encyc/2015/3/10/40 ... 3_Sarc.jpg

Some moron was slacking at work

RSS mouthpiece 'Organiser' apologizes for PoK map error

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 14 Mar 2015 22:21

Varoon Shekhar wrote:Instead, the more vocal/visible Indian tendency is to praise Pakistan, for the fall in militancy and terror in Kashmir and elsewhere, witness Aakar Patel's articles in Outlook, which actually lay more blame on India for not talking to Pakistan sufficiently.

Bekaar Patel has to earn his dollas by being what he is i.e. a sellout, there is no need to raise BP by reading his farticles.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Mar 2015 01:12

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2015 ... oot-22.asp

India is on a roll in World Cup 2015, so is Delhi Sarkar vis-à-vis PDP. Delhi in 2015 translates into Modi’s India with BJP in toe. In India, it is not unusual for drummers and cheer leaders to equate the nation with its leaders—didn’t DK Barooha say, “India is Indira”? Team India is winning from impossible positions....
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Mufti Muhammad Sayeed could not but be batting on a sticky wicket, clearly on the back-foot. Given the straitjacketed power structure, it cannot be otherwise, whatever the pretensions to contrary. Praising cross border actors and JK resistance formations for allowing sweet conduct of the poll, or release of Masrat Alam are PR exercises, politically unsubstantial, without dividends. .
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In JK election, BJP lost fair and square in Kashmir, and in Ladakh. BJP tally was restricted mostly to two and a half districts in plains. The total tally was just a shade over the half way mark of much hyped 44plus. The desired tally included Arun Jaitley’s five lotuses from the vale. It could not pocket even one, in spite of high geared campaign. The precarious placing—the clear BJP loss was converted into victory as PDP chickened out of a regional alliance and opted to partner cultural nationalists. Pleas of wide sections of citizenry, of civil society formations were unheeded. Mufti Muhammad Sayeed held back no punches, as he stated, “It is no option”. Translated, it means Kashmir centricity is no option, it relates clearly that safeguard of partisan interests remains the goal. It means that a joint stand to defend Kashmir’s interests is off the table, an option ruled out. It may not be taken to mean that NC is any better. In their heyday, they held the cultural nationalists is as tight an embrace as PDP.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Mar 2015 22:15

One terrorist with 72 Graphic Image:
From NPR!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAjoTj-UcAAs854.jpg

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Mar 2015 22:36

Sagar G wrote:
Varoon Shekhar wrote:Instead, the more vocal/visible Indian tendency is to praise Pakistan, for the fall in militancy and terror in Kashmir and elsewhere, witness Aakar Patel's articles in Outlook, which actually lay more blame on India for not talking to Pakistan sufficiently.
Bekaar Patel has to earn his dollas by being what he is i.e. a sellout, there is no need to raise BP by reading his farticles.

lots of folks seem to have lost their perks, free khana-peena, lifafas and complimentary poontang with the talks or even talks about talks shutting down. No wonder so many are pissing their pants and desperately wanting the talks to resume.

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Mar 2015 22:05

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Meanwhile in Jammu & Kashmir, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s flag is seditiously flow by Asiya Andrabi.

Let us see if the BJP Administration of our Prime Minister Narendra Modi gets his party colleagues in J&K to push coalition partner PDP into taking prompt and appropriate punitive action against Asiya Andrabi:

Pakistani flag displayed amidst 23rd March celebrations in Srinagar

arun · Post by **arun** » 26 Mar 2015 09:47

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Brahma Chellaney in Mint on India’s policy towards the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Mr. Chellaney finds the BJP led Administration of our Prime Minister Narendra Modi wanting and I agree with that conclusion of Mr. Chellaney.

Read and be depressed:

India’s Pakistan policy in tatters : Narendra Modi’s govt is in danger of being as incoherent as Manmohan Singh’s in dealing with Pakistan

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 26 Mar 2015 20:52

J&K assembly views a ruckus as NC MLA Javaid terms the speaker of assembly a "Hindu fundamentalist".
link
What a circus in J&K parliament, which also saw another round of protests over remains of terrorist Mohammed Afzal.

Wonder why people do not talk about secularism in J&K which seems to need secularism the most.

rohiths · Post by **rohiths** » 26 Mar 2015 21:30

Pakistan policy was going fine. Post Obama visit it has changed. Looks like some hard arm twisting from US led to the change. Its pretty obvious

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 26 Mar 2015 22:29

It is indeed strange that while US Prez talked about religious tolerance, there is not so much talk on munna Pakis where anti-minority literature are taught in schools, and numerous terror strikes have sources in Pakistan. How can there be any scope of discussion between multicultural India and rabid exclusivist Islamic Pakis?

It is not that people who wave Paki flag, hurriat bunch (propped up by then US ambassador), USA or for that matter Pakis themselves don't know all this. The least we can do is disclose if there was pressure - and details therein - from superpowers to give Pakistanis excuse of fig leaf (talks?) so that Pakis appear civilized to an extent that some kind of diplomacy is going on even now.

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 30 Mar 2015 05:45

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 30 Mar 2015 22:45

IA is forced to help these types of bubbas.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 30 Mar 2015 23:47

^^

Islam as an ideology needs to be removed from all aspects of any sane civilisation to ensure it's survival.

gunjur · Post by **gunjur** » 05 Apr 2015 16:57

Today i attended the talk by ram madhav on JnK government formation.

Few things

* It was supposed to start at 10:30 but he didn't turn up untill untill 11 or so. Few people were saying now that ram madhav has become "neta" he is making public wait for him.

* Coming to that actual subject, He told that "we are aware of people apprehensions that by joining with valley parties, we are diluting our stand on article 370 etc etc. But we are nationalists and we will never take any step which will cause trouble to the nation. Please believe us on this".

* He also told that from day 1, bjp inspite of having mission 44+ knew that bjp didn't have chance in valley, and only to an extent in ladakh region. Our main region would be jammu onleee(so in ways we knew that we could only get max 35 or so seats).

* This coalition is only for governance in JnK(developmental issues) and not a political one, else pdp would be in nda by now. Also bjp has mainly developmental ministries like power, pwd, social welfare etc

* Short of voting rights in assembly polls bjp is taking steps to give all human rights to pok refugees who are mainly hindu sc's like providing identity cards, jobs in local govt etc etc.

* JnK govt will setup a commission for taking up delimitation of assembly seats headed by Dy.CM(bjp guy).

* On asked whether bjp had an option of sitting in opposition, he told ÿes, but which also meant we would never cease to be an opposition party in JnK.

* "Separatists like sajjad lone are now ministers in JnK govt from bjp quota. He took oath swearing on indian constitution. We are working/worked on "mainstreaming" separatists."

* On asked about UT status to Ladakh, and setting up a railway track to ladakh via himachal and not via srinagar. He gave a typical politicians response that we(i.e. current JnK govt) are committed on development of all regions including ladakh,. We are planning to setup a power plants etc etc. WRT railways there are logistical issues due to terrain etc . But once sorted out, rail will be extended to ladakh from srinagar.

No mention of anything about UT status

* When asked if the current govt(both in dilli, srinagar) had any plans to give a stage to various anti-paki/pro-india voices within gilgit/baltistan similar to what pakis do via hurriyat etc here in india, he totally skipped it and said "pakistan has been "strictly told" to not entertain separatists in kashmir. But if we(union govt) are invited to pakistan day function, as a neighbor we have to attend official functions. Some attend it out of compulsion(Gen VK Singh), and some like mani shankar aiyar attend it willfully. What can we do."

* Also working on a settlement package to KP's, wherein KP's can return to their place with full HnD. IIRC yes, he did mention these two words: Honor, Dignity.

* On a question, to restrict this Kashmir issue to only valley as neither jammu nor ladakh wants to secede or join pakis, by taking out these two regions. He mentioned BJP has no plans to separate the regions( iirc he told bjp and not current JnK govt). Then he started talking about shimla/lahore declarations etc etc.

* When someone asked a generic Q on the dismal handling of media by bjp, he in a way acknowldeged that yes, we have to improve our media management skills onleee.

(actually his answer sounded like:: But what to do, bjp is an sdre party onlee

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* Once he mentioned, he is new to this job(as bjp in charge of JnK), as the previous JnK in charge has joined union govt. He had only 1-2 months before elections.

*** The bottomline message from him was, "Given the current strength of bjp in parliament(where they are even struggling to pass land bill) and also in srinagar: we are trying our best. But folks, bjp does understand public's apprehensions, but please believe us." He also mentioned that he is "getting it" on twitter for this arranging this coalition.

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EDIT: I felt that his transformation to a "neta" was there, judging by his answers for various Qs. Also more or less most of channels( even english channels like ndtv, headlines today) were covering it. Maybe due to this, he was not forthcoming and open. But yes, more than one occassion he did go after abdullah parivar. As he said, their hands are tied and subtly hinted not to expect much on political front but they are more concerned about day to day governance issues within JnK.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Apr 2015 19:29

^^ Good summary. Question I have is what exactly does BJP mean by strictly telling TSP to not enetertain the Harried rats. How will it be enforced.

gunjur · Post by **gunjur** » 05 Apr 2015 22:41

CRamS wrote:^^ Good summary. Question I have is what exactly does BJP mean by strictly telling TSP to not enetertain the Harried rats. How will it be enforced.

Actually the person who was sitting behind me was telling the same i.e. whatever the indian govt may say, will the pakis care?? or something to that effect.

Here is the "official" rss article on the program. This article also covers most the points which i summarised.

BJP’s General secretry Ram Madhav, who is In-charge of party’s Jammu and Kashmir affairs said that “the BJP-PDP government in formed Jammu and Kashmir is a Government formed for governance of the state and to fulfill the constitutional obligation. The government is based on development oriented common minimum program and there is no question of any compromise in BJP’s stand on Jammu and Kashmir. BJP will not allow anything to happen in Jammu and Kashmir that compromises with the National Integrity. BJP has respected mandate of people of Jammu and Kashmir and thus is now part of the government there. No compromise of national interest”

He was delivering a lecture on Current Socio-Political situation in Jammu and Kashmir at Mythic Society auditorium, Bengaluru, organized by ‘Manthana’- a Bengaluru based intellectual forum for promoting Nationalist discourses.

“While talking about recent elections to Jammu and Kashmir state assembly and PDP-BJP alliance government formation he said “The renewed interest in knowing what is happening in Jammu & Kashmir because there is a government in the state today which seems to many as an unusual type of arrangement. Many are watching the developments of BJP especially after the formation of BJP – PDP government. But BJP has nationalistic signpost as its ideology. And I will assure you we will not do anything that will be against the interest of our country, its unity and sovereignty. Due to the kind of identity politics practiced in state these many years BJP was treated as an untouchable Hindu party. In state general election 2008, held aftermath of Amarnath Andolan when BJP was at peak of its popularity we secured 15 percent votes and 11 seats. But due magic Modi wave in 2014 that swept country, J&K could not escape from that wave.”

“During 2014 loksabha election BJP secured 33 percent of votes in state higher than national average. During last assembly election we worked on a strategy to maximize the gain under the idea 44+. We worked with idea that BJP should be in power in the state. We achieved it, today BJP is in power which was unthinkable five years back and in future whatever type of government will be there in state BJP will be in power. We have secure largest vote share in the state, 23 percents, and won 25 seats. Two seats are won by Peoples Conference supported by BJP and a rebel candidate from BJP has won. So technically we have same number of seats as PDP which had 28 seats. Now the immediate challenge was to form the government.”

“There were lots of ideological difference between BJP and PDP. PDPs chief Mufti Muhammad Sayeed on record had said-BJP and PDP are like north and south poles. Both National Conference and Congress had offered unconditional support to PDP. However any government without BJP would have been unrepresentative, because entire Jammu was with BJP. Hence we were left with no option but t form the government. All options were sorted out. After all negotiations what is there in Jammu and Kashmir today is governance alliance, an alliance based on common minimum program for the development of the state.”

Explaining the basis of formation of government on common minimum program Ram Madhav assured that “There is nothing in the common minimum program which could be called as compromise. The CMP is dedicated to the development of the state. 80 percent of the CMP deals with development of three regions of Jammu and Kashmir. 10 percent deal with governance issues like fighting corruption, setting up vigilance commission, panchayat elections etc and remaining only 10 percent deal with issues which are contentious. On these 10 percent issues we agreed to disagree and try come to a common understanding. However on these 10 percent issues lots of speculation mongering is going on. On issues like 370, AFSPA I feel we handled in the best possible manner. “

Assuring the commitment of BJP to address the issues of refugees Ram Madhav said “The government will facilitate respectful return of Kashmiri Pandits to valley. Compensatory packages will be given to all refugees, which is pending from decades. The government is committed to give all the privileges of state subject to refugees migrated from west Pakistan, 90 percent of whom are scheduled tribes. As part of CMP commission will be set up to address the long pending demand of delimitation of constituencies in the state.”

Asserting the BJPs strong position in politics of J&K he said “Today BJP in Jammu and Kashmir has 4 MPs, 26 MLAs, 7 MLCs, 3 alliance partners; a formidable force in the state. We are committed to give a non corrupt development oriented government which the state has never seen before.”

“Assuring the commitment of BJP to National integrity he told ”As long as BJP is in power we will assure anything bad will not happen to national integrity. Recently during VHP golden jubilee celebrations Praveenbhai Togadia was prevented from delivering speech in Karnataka and West Bengal, but he held programs in J&K border areas. We will ensure that nationalist voices have their say in Jammu and Kashmir.”

Cautioning about speculations being created in media he said “we have to stop seeing Jammu and Kashmir from Pakistan perspective or international perspective. “

The program opened with a patriotic song by Kumari Ohileswari, President of Manthana Dr Giridhara Upadhyaya welcomed the gathering. Tejaswi Surya, member of Manthana anchored, Rajesh Padmar, coordinator of Vishwa Samvada Kendra Karnataka extended the vote of thanks.