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Punishing communal violence

Praful Bidwai, writing in Pakistan's The News, spells out the intentions of US-UK Human Rights and Religious Freedom forces towards Modi.
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KLNMurthy wrote:Punishing communal violence

Praful Bidwai, writing in Pakistan's The News, spells out the intentions of US-UK Human Rights and Religious Freedom forces towards Modi.

For bidwai, the term "result of an unsuccessful abortion" somehow comes to mind. :wink:
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KLNMurthy wrote:Punishing communal violence

Praful Bidwai, writing in Pakistan's The News, spells out the intentions of US-UK Human Rights and Religious Freedom forces towards Modi.
Sven Smalgand, of the Biglund-Smalgand Foundation, has offered this view, but it is not clear if it will be published:
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I feel that Praful Bidwai righting about human writes in "The News" of Pakistan is enough of a message in itself. No one takes this man seriously anymore as his views have become too ridiculous even for him to repeat in Indian or Western newspapers, so he writes in Pakistani ones. Haven't you guys realised this yet? Or is it because he keeps harping about some "Sean McBride" prize he has won somewhere... As a Scandinavian morality entrepreneur it is my duty to point out the immorality of the position taken by Mr. Bidwai. Has he ever written anything about any of the terror attacks on Indian citizens? If he has criticised the terrorists also, then maybe we can consider his ethics and relevance as better than primate level.
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KLNMurthy wrote:Punishing communal violence

Praful Bidwai, writing in Pakistan's The News, spells out the intentions of US-UK Human Rights and Religious Freedom forces towards Modi.

Is Chindu not giving space to Lefties in its media that they have to go to TSP papers for their drivel?

Prafool Bidwai joins a long line of SLIME (Self Loathing Indian Media Elite) like Noorani, Javed Naqvi, Mani Aiyer who take potshots from TSP shoulders.
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^^Let's not forget the grey eminence of the lot, Kuldip Nayyar, who went a step further and was writing about the declining democratic situation in India in, of all places, the Saudi Gazette.
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Modi anti-visa pressure came from multiple sources

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 211767.ece
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gandharva wrote:Modi anti-visa pressure came from multiple sources

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 211767.ece
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U.S. Congressmen felt granting a visa to him would be contradictory to international law.


Lobbying by U.S. lawmakers, concern over extra-judicial deaths in Gujarat and the tenth anniversary of the 2002 anti-Muslim riots in the state combined into a multi-year wave of pressure against any possibility of the White House revising its decision to deny Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi an entry visa, according to U.S. State Department cables and other documents obtained by The Hindu through a Freedom of Information.

U.S. lawmakers pressed for sustained visa denial

In part, the Department’s close tracking of the legal challenges facing Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi stemmed from, and was used to compile a response to, pressure from domestic political constituencies that were intent on keeping the visa ban against Mr. Modi intact.

Between 2005 and 2008, at least 30 U.S. Congressmen wrote to the administration asking that Mr. Modi “should once again be denied admission to the U.S… [because] granting a visa to [him] would be contradictory to international law and would only serve to validate the Chief Minister’s abhorrent policies and actions.”

Most of the lawmakers focused on reports by the State Department and others that the Gujarat police in 2002 “were criticised for failing to stop the violence, and in some cases participating or encouraging it,” some referencing the 2003 Indian Supreme Court finding that “The state government of Gujarat led by Mr. Modi, had actively supported the anti-Muslim violence and ordered the police not to interfere.”

Of those who petitioned the State Department in this regard, 28 were Republicans, many Tea Party members, who made references to continuing tensions facing the Christian minority community in Gujarat.

Two members Keith Ellison and André Carson were from the Democratic Party, and drew attention to the fate of Muslims during the riots, including “the rape, gang-rape, and molestation of hundreds of Muslim women.”

In their responses to the Congressmen’s letters the State Department made a candid comment about Mr. Modi: “The Department of State is extremely sensitive to your concerns and we are cognisant of the human rights abuses Mr. Modi has committed.”

According to reports the Department said in its reply to the Congressmen’s letters that at the time no visa application for Mr. Modi had been located in their system and should one arrive it would be “adjudicated in strict accordance with the Immigration and Naturalisation Act,” including restrictions for those who violated religious freedom laws.

Concern over extra-judicial killings

Further, in 2011, several cables hinted at Washington’s concern surrounding extra-judicial killings in the state – notably the Ishrat Jahan ‘encounter killing’ case and the Haren Pandya whistleblower assassination episode.

Regarding the former, a U.S. cable dated April 2013 (DTG: 021156Z APR 13; CONFIDENTIAL, SENSITIVE) commented upon the arrest of five senior Gujarat police officers between February 21 and March 6 2013, on charges stemming from the 2004 killing of four Muslims, including a teenaged girl, Ishrat Jahan.

The officers had allegedly killed the innocent youths and falsified evidence to make them appear to be terrorists, the cable explained, adding, “Critics of… Modi say that these fake encounters were not the work of rogue officers but were an official state policy designed to instil fear [in] Muslims.”

Not only did the cable go on to quote retired police officer R.B. Sreekumar, former head of the Gujarat state intelligence during April-September 2002 corroborating this view, but the diplomatic mission directly spoke to those familiar with the matter to obtain further details.

Quoting a person whose name had been redacted the cable said, “… told ConGen Staff in March that the accused police officers feel they are scapegoats for implementing an official state policy to carry out extra-judicial killings. He added that the officers believe that the state government abandoned them after the SIT report was submitted… [and] have decided to vigorously contest the charges and to prove they were not ultimately responsible.”

The cable also cited a Tehelka magazine report, which said that during 2002-06 the Ahmedabad police, “killed approximately 17 individuals they then alleged were terrorists.”

The second aspect of extra-judicial killings that drew the attention of the U.S. was the 2003 “mysterious assassination” of Haren Pandya, whom a cable dated September 2011 (DTG: 090413Z SEP 11; UNCLAS, SENSITIVE) described as “a vocal critic of… Modi.” Further, Pandya’s family believed that “his murder was a deeper political conspiracy by Modi to silence Pandya,” the cable said.

The case came up again in 2011 after the Gujarat high court reversed the earlier conviction of 12 Muslims accused of murdering Mr. Pandya, and the cable said that the re-opening of the case could “bring to light new information regarding Pandya’s killing and potentially cause political and legal headaches for… Modi as he prepares for the 2012 state elections.”

The cable appeared particularly seized of the fact that the Gujarat High Court had criticised the Central Bureau of Investigation for accepting the Gujarat police theory that Mr. Pandya’s killing was “Muslim revenge for the 2002 anti-Muslim violence.” Accepting the verdict, the CBI has indicated that it would re-open the murder investigation, the cable underscored.

Riots anniversary

Finally the tenth anniversary of the 2002 Gujarat riots was a rallying point for those who criticised the slowness in the delivery of justice to the victims, according to the cables.

In a cable dated March 2012 (DTG: 010723Z MAR 12; SENSITIVE, UNCLAS) to Washington the Mumbai consulate said that commemoration events in Gujarat passed peacefully, with victims highlighting not only their painful experiences, but also the lack of compensation and rehabilitation for Muslims whose homes and businesses were destroyed during the violence.

“Ten years later, not everyone is convinced that Gujarat has moved on, and the riots remain Modi’s biggest obstacle to his national political ambitions,” the cable said.

In the face of public comments by Arun Jaitley, then the BJP’s leader in the Rajya Sabha, that “Gujarat has had a riot-free decade,” and that Mr. Modi’s opponents were using NGOs and media, the U.S. documented remarks by a name-redacted contact in Gujarat who said to them privately, “When you have succeeded in killing people and putting Muslims in ghettos, then there is no need for communal violence.”

The cable seemed to suggest that the U.S. was convinced that justice had not yet been served to riot survivors. It noted that an estimated 200,000 Muslims fled their homes after the riots, approximately 30,000 still lived in relief colonies, and more than 70,000 relocated to Muslim ghettos after selling their properties and businesses in previously mixed neighbourhoods to Hindu neighbours.

Additionally, given that the Gujarat government had not at the time compensated victims for property loss and “refused to rebuild places of worship and denied building permissions when communities wanted to rebuild on their own,” the cable posited, “the taint of the 2002 riots will continue to linger on into the 2014 national election campaign, when Modi will be angling to be the BJP’s candidate for Prime Minister.”

This is a clear case of snake eating its tail..

The Repubilcan Congressmen were quoting SD reports back to SD to deny the visa for their own parochial reasons. The Tea party is a discredited religious right wing political faction of the Republican Party. Most of them lost their mojo in the 2012 elections.

The SD on its own relied on self serving Indian Congress party minions and willing idiots in government with axes to grind to provide reports back to US Congress.

The real environment that festerd this snake eating itself is the hatred of Congress party to dislodge Modi whom they identified as an extential threat way back in 2001 itself.


So Congress was relying on US SD to do the dirty work for them and hope to corner Modi from becoming the Prime Minister.

There were a lot of helpers all along who all look foolish now.
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Punishing communal violence

Praful Bidwai, writing in Pakistan's The News, spells out the intentions of US-UK Human Rights and Religious Freedom forces towards Modi.
This is the Berkeley Haas cabal, led by Shashi Buluswar, ASHA neta who proclaims his affinity for all things Paki. Also, Angana's connections to the L-e-T (she published in the L-e-T's website since way back, 2000 time-frame.) Prafool B. is also among the conslutants at the Berkeley Haas Riots-In-India Project. Per their website they were training Indian brats to go around carrying "cameras" (probably with the odd RDX package attached).
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the U.S. documented remarks by a name-redacted contact in Gujarat who said to them privately, “When you have succeeded in killing people and putting Muslims in ghettos, then there is no need for communal violence.”
Isn't that entirely in line with US Freedom and PeaceKeeping? Since the days of General Custer, whose troops went around disemboweling and cutting out parts of women and children to use as wallets and hood ornaments, and since the days of the Oklahoma Trail Of Tears driving the Cherokee from North Carolina to Oklahoma, and the Navajo being driven from southern US to other desert reservations, there have been no reported incidents of Native Americans burning any trains in The West, have there?

Actually, this is a topic that should be discussed: what would happen if The Faithfool in a Faithfool-infested town gathered in a mob of 4000, stopped an Amtrak train and (Heaven forbid!) burned the passengers to death while they stoned the train, blockaded firefighter trucks and ambulances, and celebrated outside for an hour or two.

What do you think would happen to the residents of that town? B-52s or just a Philadelphia "MOVE" type Peacekeeping? Someone I know once asked this question gently on the "IndiaUnity" yahoo group graced by such Peacekeepers as Kaleem K*w*ja and Shake Ubaid, and the reaction was a lot of fun to watch. I think this question should be posted on Teetar and fB to take a poll.
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amirkhan delusions of them still being in some sort of moral high ground when it comes to rights, fairness, equality, justice etc is just laughable (irrelevant to whether their assertions on gujarat situation is true or not).
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Gus wrote:amirkhan delusions of them still being in some sort of moral high ground when it comes to rights, fairness, equality, justice etc is just laughable (irrelevant to whether their assertions on gujarat situation is true or not).
More than islamic society, the western civilization has been the most destructive force on the planet. Amrikhans should hang their heads in shame for what they have done to Iraqis. US leadership has blood on their hands and they know it. Then why this grand standing?

It is a sad state of affairs that at least some of the aam-admi in US somehow naively believes that American government fights its wars for just cause and to promote freedom and democracy.
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KLNMurthy wrote:Punishing communal violence

Praful Bidwai, writing in Pakistan's The News, spells out the intentions of US-UK Human Rights and Religious Freedom forces towards Modi.
And this is likely why Prafool ButtWhy is publishing in Baki news papers:
That delusion cannot last. Modi will soon find that his promise to provide jobs to the 12 million people who enter the labour market annually cannot be delivered – certainly not through his ultra-capital-intensive Big Business-subservient model of growth. Nor will be easy to restore dynamism and balance to the economy. Modi’s test will come soon as the mega-projects he is pushing fail to fructify and the reality of ecological devastation by capital dawns upon the country.
The bolded part above is sure to piss-off a lot of potential donors and will not be published in any news paper that makes money through big business.

I must add: Prafool is sucking the teats of US/UK who have engageed in genocide and mass murder all through history. He is publishing it in a news paper that belongs to a country known for its genocidal nature. Irony must have died a thousand deaths, infact it may still be dying as we speak.
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purefool was writing (vomiting rater) a lot around 2005/06 and then nothing and now that modi is PM, these idiots are coming out of the woodwork...
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ramana wrote:So US Congress was relying on US SD to do the dirty work for them and hope to corner Modi from becoming the Prime Minister.
It was a SD show all along. Nothing stopped SD from getting more opinion from India after all. Plus there is more evidence of US money and diplomatic interaction with entities in India than the other way round.
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Gus wrote:purefool was writing (vomiting rater) a lot around 2005/06 and then nothing and now that modi is PM, these idiots are coming out of the woodwork...
How do these people survive? I do not see Purefool going for a day job, and writing articles a few times in a year cannot provide a full annual income.
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Tie this to Paco and his handlers
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gandharva wrote:Modi anti-visa pressure came from multiple sources
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 211767.ece
The close monitoring of the legal woes of Modi by the US administration suggests only one thing to me. Playing realpolitik. The US, which is detested by the entire Islamic ummah, wanted to show to them that it was on their side in fighting for the ummah. Modi came in handy for them. It monitored the developments in India closely so that its actions could shape the policies of its allies vis-a-vis Modi and its reactions were proportionate to the developments in India. Once Modi win became a certainty, it asked its trusted allies to thaw the relationship and it followed suit later. There was absolutely no other reason for a country that usually does nor care for anything except its self-interests alone, to have been that much interested in Modi.
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India successfully challenges US at WTO
A World Trade Organisation (WTO) Dispute Panel has ruled that the imposition of Countervailing Duty (CVD) by the United States Department of Commerce (US DOC) on India’s exports of hot-rolled carbon steel flat products is inconsistent with the law on subsidies.

The ruling was circulated on Monday. India has now said that it is evaluating all other products of Indian origin on which the U.S. has applied the same provisions. This provision has been in existence in the U.S. for many years and India is the first country to successfully challenge it, according to a release from the Commerce Ministry.

The measures continue to be in force and adversely impact the Indian exports, the release said. India had challenged the determinations made by the US DOC in various investigations and reviews, contending that its programmes do not confer any subsidy on the Indian exporters. The provisions under challenge were that of US Tariff Act and the Code of Federal Regulations as being inconsistent with the provisions of the WTO Subsidy Agreement (ASCM).

The matter was taken up before the WTO Dispute Panel as the two parties could not resolve the issue bilaterally. “One of the major rulings in favour of India is that the Panel has held that the U.S. law mandating cumulation of non-subsidised imports with subsidised imports while determining injury in a CVD investigation is inconsistent with WTO obligations,” the release said.

“This ruling potentially questions the validity of a number of other CVD proceedings conducted by the United States on products of Indian origin.”

In addition to the above ruling, the Panel has held that the U.S. had no factual basis to hold that the grant of mining rights for iron ore and coal was a subsidy. The Panel could not consider some of India’s claims such as those relating to the methods of calculating the amount of subsidies and one relating to the application of adverse fact available, the release said. The ruling is appealable before the WTO Appellate Body and the decision to appeal against the same is currently under active consideration.
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SSridhar wrote:
gandharva wrote:Modi anti-visa pressure came from multiple sources
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 211767.ece
The close monitoring of the legal woes of Modi by the US administration suggests only one thing to me. Playing realpolitik. The US, which is detested by the entire Islamic ummah, wanted to show to them that it was on their side in fighting for the ummah. Modi came in handy for them. It monitored the developments in India closely so that its actions could shape the policies of its allies vis-a-vis Modi and its reactions were proportionate to the developments in India. Once Modi win became a certainty, it asked its trusted allies to thaw the relationship and it followed suit later. There was absolutely no other reason for a country that usually does nor care for anything except its self-interests alone, to have been that much interested in Modi.



In other words while pummelling the Muslim world in Iraak, Afghanistan, Abu Garib and other atrocities, US was suing Modi as a whipping boy to divert the Muslim rage boys.

And Indian Congress party and psecualr chatteratti were willing tools in this deception. And got aids from US NGOS.
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prahaar wrote:
Gus wrote:purefool was writing (vomiting rater) a lot around 2005/06 and then nothing and now that modi is PM, these idiots are coming out of the woodwork...
How do these people survive? I do not see Purefool going for a day job, and writing articles a few times in a year cannot provide a full annual income.
They're usually "analysts", "researchers" and "fellows" at half a dozen think tanks at any given time. For example, clicky.
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ramana wrote:

This is a clear case of snake eating its tail..

The Repubilcan Congressmen were quoting SD reports back to SD to deny the visa for their own parochial reasons. The Tea party is a discredited religious right wing political faction of the Republican Party. Most of them lost their mojo in the 2012 elections.

The SD on its own relied on self serving Indian Congress party minions and willing idiots in government with axes to grind to provide reports back to US Congress.

The real environment that festerd this snake eating itself is the hatred of Congress party to dislodge Modi whom they identified as an extential threat way back in 2001 itself.


So Congress was relying on US SD to do the dirty work for them and hope to corner Modi from becoming the Prime Minister.

There were a lot of helpers all along who all look foolish now.
This is a direct interference inside Indian state by a foreign govt
Also there is no price paid by the characters who are following this against PM Modi

The characters are getting money from the other lobbies to pursue this. There is money in this and hence it has been going on for such a long time. Indians need to counter this money system and make sure there is a price paid for interfering inside India
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Karan M wrote:You can always put something long lasting that affects the person later. IMO Modi should do a Putin and take aling his own cook, water, food.
i think Mr Shasri did that to NY and the hotel I heard billed India for repainting the room! (could be apocryphal)
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ramana wrote:
Modi anti-visa pressure came from multiple sources
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 211767.ece

The close monitoring of the legal woes of Modi by the US administration suggests only one thing to me. Playing realpolitik. The US, which is detested by the entire Islamic ummah, wanted to show to them that it was on their side in fighting for the ummah. Modi came in handy for them. It monitored the developments in India closely so that its actions could shape the policies of its allies vis-a-vis Modi and its reactions were proportionate to the developments in India. Once Modi win became a certainty, it asked its trusted allies to thaw the relationship and it followed suit later. There was absolutely no other reason for a country that usually does nor care for anything except its self-interests alone, to have been that much interested in Modi.


In other words while pummelling the Muslim world in Iraak, Afghanistan, Abu Garib and other atrocities, US was suing Modi as a whipping boy to divert the Muslim rage boys.

And Indian Congress party and psecualr chatteratti were willing tools in this deception. And got aids from US NGOS.

Lot of those multiple source are also Unkils assets

They want to create a large India vs Muslim world confrontation and what better way than a leading figure in India to be taken as an example. This needs to made aware to the Indian public and how INC is part of this large game plan

Indians should not fall for this trap
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svinayak,
Hold your horses (AIT or oxes OIT)!!!

First one needs to understand what was happening and idenitfy the agents of change and propaganda. And this has to be publicised.


Action can be on many fronts.

Calling for corrective action without root cause and factors will lead to satisfying wrong action!
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svinayak wrote:
ramana wrote:
Modi anti-visa pressure came from multiple sources
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 211767.ece

The close monitoring of the legal woes of Modi by the US administration suggests only one thing to me. Playing realpolitik. The US, which is detested by the entire Islamic ummah, wanted to show to them that it was on their side in fighting for the ummah. Modi came in handy for them. It monitored the developments in India closely so that its actions could shape the policies of its allies vis-a-vis Modi and its reactions were proportionate to the developments in India. Once Modi win became a certainty, it asked its trusted allies to thaw the relationship and it followed suit later. There was absolutely no other reason for a country that usually does nor care for anything except its self-interests alone, to have been that much interested in Modi.


In other words while pummelling the Muslim world in Iraak, Afghanistan, Abu Garib and other atrocities, US was suing Modi as a whipping boy to divert the Muslim rage boys.

And Indian Congress party and psecualr chatteratti were willing tools in this deception. And got aids from US NGOS.

Lot of those multiple source are also Unkils assets

They want to create a large India vs Muslim world confrontation and what better way than a leading figure in India to be taken as an example. This needs to made aware to the Indian public and how INC is part of this large game plan

Indians should not fall for this trap



Aunty burqua is eagerly facilitating Bill Clinton who is presently in Jaipur to pour oil over troubled waters and smooth over the US govt Modi faux pas. Considering that it was vicious darling Hillary who did most of the heavy lifting using her NGOs to cause the damage to Modi, in the first place, (including sending NGO teams to Gujarat and searching for mass graves that teesta swore would help crucify modi), the husband and wife duo are playing it very cool.

The serial interviews of Hillary and Bill by aunty burqua looks staged and artificial.
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UlanBatori wrote:
Punishing communal violence

Praful Bidwai, writing in Pakistan's The News, spells out the intentions of US-UK Human Rights and Religious Freedom forces towards Modi.
This is the Berkeley Haas cabal, led by Shashi Buluswar, ASHA neta who proclaims his affinity for all things Paki. Also, Angana's connections to the L-e-T (she published in the L-e-T's website since way back, 2000 time-frame.) Prafool B. is also among the conslutants at the Berkeley Haas Riots-In-India Project. Per their website they were training Indian brats to go around carrying "cameras" (probably with the odd RDX package attached).
Any documentation available? Especially the con-slut-ant aspect?
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Gus wrote:amirkhan delusions of them still being in some sort of moral high ground when it comes to rights, fairness, equality, justice etc is just laughable (irrelevant to whether their assertions on gujarat situation is true or not).
Here you go, Ozzie-Pakier-than-paki Brian Cloughley on "since the US did it, it must be true":

A moral conflict
Since May India has been governed by the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party led by Narendra Modi who undoubtedly possesses enormous charisma, impressive political talent and great energy. He is also the man who in 2000, as chief minister of Gujarat, failed to bring the forces of law to bear on those who were massacring over a thousand Muslims in some of the most horrible savagery India had seen since the Hindu slaughter of 8,000 Sikhs in 1984.

Most official post-pogrom inquiries stated that Modi was not to blame, but there must have been some substance to the allegations because the US denied him entry. He was refused a US visa in 2005 under US Code 6442 that bans admittance of foreign persons responsible for “severe violations of religious freedom,” and Britain forbade any official meetings with him on similar grounds. The BBC reported that in 2002 “the UK helped to organise an effective ban on Mr Modi travelling to Europe.”

Countries don’t deny entry to people over trivialities. They must have a practical or even a moral reason for so doing. And the object of their disfavour must have done something pretty bad for such action to be taken – obviously with approval at the highest level, as Modi was chief minister of a large state that was business-oriented and becoming quite prosperous.
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He is just a Ozzie Prafool.

And has been called Clueless.

Wonder if he is Cawthorne's golden boy.
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How do these people survive? I do not see Purefool going for a day job,
This is the right question, and I think the answer is "courtesy of YOU, dear taxpayer".

KLNM, I think the answer is(was, at least) at the Berkeley-Haas India Riots Project website. The whole gang was there IIRC: Harsh Mander, Angana Chatterji, Bidwai all listed, others to be invited.

It is disappointing that there have been no public questions put to the President of Berkeleystan on why they are attacking and actively undermining Indian democracy, and whether s(he) is incompetently unaware of even the recent background of some of those such as Chatterji, in their own neighborhood.

What is the Social Media for if not for such altruistic undertakings? Is this the PeeAref where the Great Anmol posts, hain?
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UlanBatori wrote:
It is disappointing that there have been no public questions put to the President of Berkeleystan on why they are attacking and actively undermining Indian democracy, and whether s(he) is incompetently unaware of even the recent background of some of those such as Chatterji, in their own neighborhood.
mullah, lets not go as far as no questions have been put. no effect of questioning is more like it. the high and mighty need to put the "questions".
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SSridhar wrote:
gandharva wrote:Modi anti-visa pressure came from multiple sources
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 211767.ece
The close monitoring of the legal woes of Modi by the US administration suggests only one thing to me. Playing realpolitik. The US, which is detested by the entire Islamic ummah, wanted to show to them that it was on their side in fighting for the ummah. Modi came in handy for them. It monitored the developments in India closely so that its actions could shape the policies of its allies vis-a-vis Modi and its reactions were proportionate to the developments in India. Once Modi win became a certainty, it asked its trusted allies to thaw the relationship and it followed suit later. There was absolutely no other reason for a country that usually does nor care for anything except its self-interests alone, to have been that much interested in Modi.
Islamic ummah satiated by US going after Modi? And this when US being the biggest kuffr reaper of Islamic souls? I dont think so SS-ji. For the Ummah, the number 1 enemy is and will be USA, USA, USA!

Since the time Modi came to power, rabid Xtian groups in US wanted to crucify ;) him. 2002 became an excuse. And they threw their everything at it [ Conjecture ] They probably also thought, goaded by Indian media, a US visa denial could influence state polls too [/conjecture] To their utter horror, Modi, like our Hanuman became bigger , stronger and threatened to damage US=India relations completely. That is when the US seemed to have started to back off.

This Hindu article looks like b$ to me.
Lobbying by U.S. lawmakers, concern over extra-judicial deaths in Gujarat and the tenth anniversary of the 2002 anti-Muslim riots in the state combined into a multi-year wave of pressure against any possibility of the White House revising its decision to deny Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi an entry visa, according to U.S. State Department cables and other documents obtained by The Hindu through a Freedom of Information.
Regarding the former, a U.S. cable dated April 2013 (DTG: 021156Z APR 13; CONFIDENTIAL, SENSITIVE) commented upon the arrest of five senior Gujarat police officers between February 21 and March 6 2013, on charges stemming from the 2004 killing of four Muslims, including a teenaged girl, Ishrat Jahan.
Mount RoadMahavishnu makku TheHindu-bhai cites Freedom of Info act and US promptly releases confidential cables, documents etc? I am sure the US national anthem was also playing in the background.

They went down the wrong road taking cues from the southern xtian belt congressmen. SD obliged. Indian courts did not find evidence. So they resorted to "international law" - god knows what that is, especillay when any kind of intl law will have zero jur'dction in Gujarat.
Now they are trying to extricate themselves. So they are throwing everyone under the bus ("multiple sources" ). The names
of the antiModi lot are already public. What further harm can come in naming them again? What is not explocitly said though is "hey...yes we messed up based on inputs from congressmen and _ALSO , most importantly, from inputs from your own countrymen_
" ( look at space devoted to Indian sources in the article)
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SSridhar wrote:The close monitoring of the legal woes of Modi by the US administration suggests only one thing to me. Playing realpolitik. The US, which is detested by the entire Islamic ummah, wanted to show to them that it was on their side in fighting for the ummah. Modi came in handy for them.
SS - the modi visa thing is a coming together of several interest groups - EJs annoyed at anti-conversion laws and enforcement by modi, seculars and leftists in NGO and academia in US, india hating US lawmakers etc. they lobbied the state dept and got this done. they were so bought into their own delusions of power, that they thought this is like an indictment that will bury modi. on the contrary, this may have fueled the man's ambitions and alerted him to such enemies.
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KLNMurthy wrote:Mature political systems like USA, and increasingly, India, have a life and continuity beyond one or the other specific "supreme leader" even if their citizens are sometimes too infantile to realize this.

If the Indian culture and political system was so rotten that its salvation depended solely on one single mortal individual, however remarkable and talented he might be, then there is no hope for it in the first place. No Modi or super-Modi can fix a system that didn't already have some elements that make a fix possible.
Be it at home or at work, a single individual can create fertile ground for the growth of stable institutions/teams or break them and destroy all the previous efforts. People are attracted and motivated when a person of their liking/ideas rise; this motivation moves mountains and rivers. In the absence of this motivational force people meander. Modi is the force now.
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I think this would be unprecedented for a foreign leader

India’s Narendra Modi: Ready to rock out Madison Square Garden?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... re-garden/

Elvis Presley. Muhammad Ali. Narendra Modi? India's new leader is looking to make a splash when he arrives in the United States in September. He's expected to attend the U.N. General Assembly in New York and travel to Washington to meet with President Obama.

Now Modi has instructed supporters in the United States to find him a venue big enough for a grand address to the Indian diaspora planned for Sept. 28. They believe his speech could draw 100,000 people. Trouble is, they can't find a venue in the New York area that they think is big enough — and available.

"This is not a simple welcome," said Chandrakant Patel, a Tampa businessman who is president of Overseas Friends of BJP, but rather "a historic event." He added, using a honorific: "People in the Indian diaspora are very happy Modi-ji is coming as prime minister."
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Gus wrote:
SSridhar wrote:The close monitoring of the legal woes of Modi by the US administration suggests only one thing to me. Playing realpolitik. The US, which is detested by the entire Islamic ummah, wanted to show to them that it was on their side in fighting for the ummah. Modi came in handy for them.
SS - the modi visa thing is a coming together of several interest groups - EJs annoyed at anti-conversion laws and enforcement by modi, seculars and leftists in NGO and academia in US, india hating US lawmakers etc. they lobbied the state dept and got this done. they were so bought into their own delusions of power, that they thought this is like an indictment that will bury modi. on the contrary, this may have fueled the man's ambitions and alerted him to such enemies.
This group is not new. They had plans during the NDA1 where the real motive was to create large anti NDA, anti BJP and anti Hindu movement for eventual revolt and eventual large scale conversion. Some of the EJs during that period even eluded to it.

This group wanted to take adavntage of the goodwill of the majority people and fool them to revolt against NDA/BJP and brng in large scale social movement to revolt and conversion. It was a perfect plan based on the social engineering analysis and events planned before. Lot of Khan people and EJ were expecting a large surge in support and conversion.
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Gus wrote:SS - the modi visa thing is a coming together of several interest groups - EJs annoyed at anti-conversion laws and enforcement by modi, seculars and leftists in NGO and academia in US, india hating US lawmakers etc. they lobbied the state dept and got this done. they were so bought into their own delusions of power, that they thought this is like an indictment that will bury modi. on the contrary, this may have fueled the man's ambitions and alerted him to such enemies.
Quite true. I am not disputing any of that. We know that too many diverse groups were gunning for Modi. But, the GotUS cited only the 2002 riots to deny visa to Modi. That is the opportunism that I am talking about. Such an avaricious action masks other intents and reasons too and allowed the holier-than-though Congressional report on religious freedom not to sound too hollow for the Muslim ummah.
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SSridhar wrote:
Gus wrote:SS - the modi visa thing is a coming together of several interest groups - EJs annoyed at anti-conversion laws and enforcement by modi, seculars and leftists in NGO and academia in US, india hating US lawmakers etc. they lobbied the state dept and got this done. they were so bought into their own delusions of power, that they thought this is like an indictment that will bury modi. on the contrary, this may have fueled the man's ambitions and alerted him to such enemies.
Quite true. I am not disputing any of that. We know that too many diverse groups were gunning for Modi. But, the GotUS cited only the 2002 riots to deny visa to Modi. That is the opportunism that I am talking about. Such an avaricious action masks other intents and reasons too and allowed the holier-than-though Congressional report on religious freedom not to sound too hollow for the Muslim ummah.
Basically the US SD under Hillary, using the riots, they played to the gallery both in India and in pukiland. They served the large crowd of Modi hating pseudos in India and the rabid ummah in pukiland ( meaning the whole country), the ummah anywhere cannot take it when the ummah elsewhere gets pasted . The mental image of Modi, unbowed and unbeaten enraged the pseudos and the ummah and the EJs exploited this. Helped by the congis and the NAC, they sailed under the radar with their filthy NGOs and house nigger creeps like udaykumar and john dayal doing termite works to undermine the Indian system.

But, the fact of Modi single handed, sweeping the elections has come back to bite them in the butt. The GOTUS and SD are furiously back pedaling and desperately trying to make nice after belatedly realizing that Modi has many many opportunities for trade and stuff other than the US

The older colonial powers of UK, France and others in europe were able to read the tea leaves and correct their courses vis s vis Modi, much ahead of the belated realization of the GOTUS and the pakis
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^^^^^^

The anger is understandable but it pays to get the facts straight. The visa denial happened in 2005 under the Bush Administration. While Hillary didn't do anything to reverse it, it was already a fiat acomplice by the time she came to office.

Another point. Looking at the Washington Post article posted by Ameet, if that happens, that is Modi addresses a gathering at Madison Square Garden it would be delicious irony. The 2005 visa denial happened when he applied for one to go the NYC to address his supporters at, ta da da, Madison Square Garden.

:-)

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1
United States Senate Senate Foreign Relations Committee Sub-Committee On Near Eastern On South And Central Asian Affairs July 16, 2014


Indispensable Partners: Reenergizing US India Ties

Testimony of Frank G. Wisner, International Affairs Advisor, Squire Patton Boggs.

Senator Kaine and Senator Risch,

It is an honor to appear before your sub-committee and address the important question of “Indispensable Partners: Reenergizing U.S. –India Ties.”

I come to these proceedings with experience in dealing with U.S.-India relations. I served as United States Ambassador in New Delhi from 1993-1997.

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In my testimony, I intend to address the state of the US-India relationship and what needs to be done to give it fresh energy and importance to our two countries.

[..]

It is on these common interests that our relationship with India has developed over the past quarter century. The strength of our political and economic relations with India have regrettably atrophied over the last four years and need attention if we are to set a stronger basis for our relationship and more effectively pursue our respective national interests. At the heart of the challenge is a strategic question. On our side we lost confidence in the last Indian government’s ability to follow through with the undertakings we believe it made to us and to find common ground with us on a number of questions – trade being a notable example.

The relationship took on the tone of a transactional undertaking. On the Indian side, many argue they do not understand American strategy in Asia, including in South Asia. They thought they understood the Bush Administration’s approach to the continent’s security problems, especially our approach to China. They assert they have found no comparable clarity in the Obama Administration’s views. Indians wish to understand our strategy for a good reason. They want to know their place in it. The definition will permit the Indian government to make its choices. Indians are especially concerned with how the United States intends to deal with the rise of Chinese power. This Indian government, like its predecessor, sees China as its principal, long term strategic and economic competitor.

India fought a war with China; it has unresolved border issues with China; its economic relationships are filled with points of friction. India’s defense posture is heavily dictated by the potential threat from China. And India’s new ties with Japan reflect Indian preoccupations with China.

How does the US intend to cope with China’s rise is the lead question on Indian minds. Indians also follow events in Afghanistan closely and believe that Afghanistan’s fate directly affects India’s security. Indian officials want to know how we plan to proceed after the withdrawal of American and NATO troops; how we will be engaged in supporting the Kabul regime and what steps we have in mind to keep the Taliban at bay.

Across the border, Indians watch with growing concern deteriorating conditions in Pakistan and are directly threatened by the actions of the Pakistani government and rogue radical terrorist across India’s boarders. Pakistani origin terror and involvement in Kashmir remain major questions for India. Prime Minister Modi has opened a dialogue with Pakistan’s Prime Minister. He and his colleagues do not seek American mediation nor direct involvement. Indians believe they can find their own way forward with Pakistan and that American involvement will complicate the ability of the two governments to manage their differences. Instead the Indian government looks to us for encouragement and with respect to Pakistan, the Indians expect us to be clear what the steps we will take to nudge Pakistan toward a peaceful relationship with India.

Our current strategic dialogue contains many channels for discussing political, intelligence and security matters. Our military exercises and defense trade strengthen our ability to deal with India’s national security establishment. But these activities need a strategic definition and that is the task before Secretary Kerry when he visits India this month. It is also the challenge the President will face when he meets Prime Minister Modi in September in Washington. It is important that we get our strategic definition right.

Prime Minister Modi’s recent election is virtually unprecedented; he comes to office with great authority; the opposition is in disarray and will be so for sometime to come. We are wise to assume that the Prime Minister and his party may be in office for the next ten years.

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Indian government’s restrictions on foreign ownership, its tax policies, approaches to intellectual property rights, its insistence on localization, the criminalization of civil disputes that has put an American CEO in jail, and failed attempts to secure legislation which would permit American investment in the nuclear power industry are all examples of why American companies have backed away from the Indian market.

These issues must be addressed if there is to be renewed American investor confidence in India. This said, Prime Minister Modi’s government has sent a strong signal that it intends to be business friendly. In my judgment, India’s government will address individual business problems American enterprises face, as well as and the policies which lay behind them. Unlike its predecessor the Modi government is principally about growth. Its first budget, announced on July 10, signals new policy directions -- a determined effort to strengthen India’s weak public finances, tackle inflation, revive the sluggish economy and build an investor friendly environment.

[..]

I believe that his ambition can best be met if he commits India to a more robust free trade and investment regime. I also am persuaded that our economic relationship with India needs a long term objective which will drive action and capture imagination. Free trade and investment are the precisely the right sort of priorities for they bring reciprocal benefits to India and to the United States.

This said, we have a long road to travel before we can reach a free trade destination. First, we need to complete our Bilateral Investment Treaty; we need India’s reengagement in WTO negotiations. Further along, India has a choice to make about APEC and the Trans-Pacific trading regime. But we have a decision to make as well. We can let India struggle on its own or we can turn Indian interest in Pacific trade into a strategic feature in our relationship.

Finally, and at a future point in our history, we and India might set our sights on a bilateral free trade agreement. Free Trade and investment are important objectives. India should not let itself fall between the emerging Atlantic and Pacific trading regimes. But a commitment to freer trade and investment implies a tough choice for India.

Is India ready to enter the world trading system wholeheartedly or it is more concerned about attracting investment and trade to its shores, protecting itself from international competition? I believe the first choice is the surer way to Indian prosperity and national economic strength. The United States and India have a variety of public and private fora to discuss trade and investment issues. Several, like the Trade Policy Forum, has lapsed and need to be reenergized. These institutions are part of the fabric of the U.S.-India relationship. However, they only find their logic when we and India agree on policy objectives which benefit both nations. Neither we nor India will ever achieve all of our objectives. Building the relationship calls for patience, forbearance and for give and take; it also calls for determined action. Neither India nor the United States will accept dictation or pressure. If we handle our relationship with respect, the rewards are significant. India can emerge as one of this country’s major strategic and economic partners and in turn, we can help India strengthen India’s security and promote the welfare of its people. We both need that sort of relationship in our troubling and demanding world I appreciate the subcommittee’s attention to my arguments and I am open for questioning.
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the criminalization of civil disputes that has put an American CEO in jail,
Hmmm!!!!

How about
the criminalization of civil disputes that was used as an excuse to put American hands inside the **** of an Indian woman diplomat
Hope Indian Babus are blunt enough to ask exactly that, with POTUS BO present, to JokeRry.
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