India-US Strategic News and Discussion

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
symontk
BRFite
Posts: 920
Joined: 01 Nov 2001 12:31
Location: Bangalore

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by symontk »

UlanBatori wrote:In the 1960s/70s, in South Xinjiang there was a book/play/movie called "Ninhgal enne Communist aakki"
Translation:
U made me a Communist
It accurately explained why the Marxist Communist Party and its Left Front swept 109 of 129 seats in the South Xinjiang Assembly elections circa 1967.
Today in India (and the US, and UK), the parallel is
"Ninhgal enne Hindoofundamentalist aakki"

An article like the one above by this Sunni Halal or whatever, is so full of blatant lies that one can only pulp it, not bother to rebut it. I am not saying that this makes the author a liar, mind u, he was probably born that way.
Just to nitpick, it was 1957 Assembly elections . It was out of power soon. The reason primarily was Punnapra -Vayalar uprising. Until then Congress had weightage. After the incident, Communists got sympathy votes and it lasted quite a number of years specifically 12 years, culminating with the 1957 govt
Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21233
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Prem »

Singha wrote:I am sure they can discuss and debate their terrifying future sipping red wine in literary clubs in liberal arts western campuses.none of this tribe have remotely any interest in working in india even under a friendly UPA regime.
Looong time ago it was concluded here that accpetence of TNT by Indians will send the Sp/icy chill down the Mukh and Mush of india's enemies. Ironically Hindus and Sikhs demanded the distinction from Paki/Bd Muslims on the soil where TNT was fathered by first SS married couple. The Gora of Great Cretain know the imitations of its helplessness but these Liffaafa Queens and Lotta Princes have not yet realized that their constipation is not the cause but the Consequence of their crooked cleverness.
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by UlanBatori »

Just to nitpick, it was 1957 Assembly elections .
Ha! In Ulan Bator we do not learn history from the NCERT textbooks. We just ask our yaks who eat the textbooks in their spare time. My evil 6th coujin clearly remembers the long Jaatha filling the whole main road of Ulan Bator, yelling (in translation)
Even if we forget our Mothers, we will never forget Flori!
Flori was a Collateral Damage victim in some police firing, I presume - just ask any present commie whether s(he) remembers, but I do. Due to mathematical certainties, this had to be post-1966, which means it was the 1967 election where the Left Front won 109/129 seats and the Congress won 9 seats. EMS was CM, Education Minister was Mohammed Koya, graduate of Grade 3 (but apparently a decent guy!) This govt also went out due to a "Vimochana Samaram" (Liberation Struggle) involving many school holidays, and the classic Democratic Escalation Curve: Strike. Picket. Stone-throwing at State Transport buses. Arrests. Tear-gas. Cane charge. Lathi charge. Shooting. Govt. falls. So even a majority of 109/129 did not allow the govt to complete 5 years.
anmol
BRFite
Posts: 1922
Joined: 05 May 2009 17:39

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by anmol »

Remember that movie that Hillary - Rice - Obama blamed for Benghazi ??? American court have ordered Youtube to remove that video.
First Amendment :rotfl: :rotfl:.

YouTube ordered to take down anti-Muslim film
by PAUL ELIAS, bigstory.ap.org
February 26th 2014 2:24 PM

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal appeals court ordered YouTube on Wednesday to take down an anti-Muslim film that sparked violence in many parts of the Middle East.

The decision by a divided three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco reinstated a lawsuit filed against YouTube by an actress who appeared in the video. The 9th Circuit said the YouTube posting infringed actress Cindy Lee Garcia's copyright to her role, and she, not just the filmmaker, could demand its removal.

The court's ruling addressed control of the clip, not its contents, which YouTube determined didn't violate its standards.

"Garcia's performance was used in a way that she found abhorrent and her appearance in the film subjected her to threats of physical harm and even death," Chief Judge Alex Kozinski wrote for the majority court. "Despite these harms, and despite Garcia's viable copyright claim, Google refused to remove the film from YouTube."

Garcia said she was duped into appearing in the film by the man behind it, Mark Basseley Youssef. She said the script she saw referenced neither Muslims nor Mohammad, and her voice was dubbed over after filming.

The 14-minute film, "Innocence of Muslims," depicts Mohammad as a religious fraud, pedophile and womanizer.

It sparked violence in late 2012, but YouTube rebuffed requests from President Barack Obama to take it down, arguing that only the filmmaker and not the actress owned the copyright.

The court said the actress owned the copyright to her performance because she thought it was for another film unrelated to what ultimately aired.
saip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4231
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 12:31
Location: USA

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by saip »

The ban appears to be because of intellectual property rights and 1st amendment has got nothing to do with it.
Nandu
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2195
Joined: 08 Jan 2002 12:31

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Nandu »

Similar, I would say, to how Church of Scientology used copyright law to suppress the leaking of their teachings.

IMHO, "intellectual property rights", which is a modern invention, should not be used to suppress information, only to make sure the creators are paid.
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by UlanBatori »

The actress complained because her life was in danger. The net effect is the same. BOOK BURNING! :(( CENSORSHIP! :(( ACADEMIC TERRORISM! :(( Hey, BTW, whatever happened to DK's Petition to Dismiss?
rgsrini
BRFite
Posts: 738
Joined: 17 Sep 2005 18:00

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by rgsrini »

^^Looks like liberal interpretation of their own laws in the good old US of A, to suit their convenience. Nothing new, if I may add.
ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 59773
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by ramana »

If all those US envoys to Indian sub-continent are professionals then how to explain spate of trafficking visas in India and the sudden down trend in relations?
arun
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10248
Joined: 28 Nov 2002 12:31

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by arun »

With the ongoing US attack on the diplomatic immunity of Indian diplomats and the assault of Indian Economic interests by the US in areas such as aviation and pharmaceuticals, perhaps Barbara Crosette’s depiction of India as “The Biggest Pain In Asia” was a more true depiction of how the US perceived India rather than US peddled line of India and the US being “natural allies”:

Foreign Policy from way back in January 2010:

The Elephant In The Room : The Biggest Pain In Asia Isn’t The Country You’d Think
SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 25087
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by SSridhar »

svinayak wrote:Internal politics inside USA is showing up in other countries.
The religious groups consider foreign policy is also their control and want to bring about change in other countries with the foreign policy
One more reason why USA is made for TSP.
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by UlanBatori »

If all those US envoys to Indian sub-continent are professionals then how to explain spate of trafficking visas in India and the sudden down trend in relations?
Precisely what I have been saying. (Former?) NYT papparazzi Barbara Crossette (whom my evil 6th coujin described as a Village Idiot in letter to the NYT many saal pehle) parrots the view of The Professionals, i.e, the low-skilled racist bigots whom the SD manages to recruit. I mean, think about it: In desh or Mongolia or Somalia, ppl line up to join the Phoren Sarbhij so they can get out of the country and enjoy the gold-paved streets and flowing Rooh-Afza and glittering lights of The West and live in Downtown Manhattan or DC or Frisco, sit on Route 101 flaunting Consular license plates, wear those silly cummerbunds and bow ties and Broom-Pilot gowns (note the Pre-Anmolization pictures of The Mays? Says it all!) and Feel Da Power rubbing elbows with stinking dictators or catching diseases from James Bond or his non-houris. Why would anyone with a reasonable level of education or skills seek such a career option in the Yoo Ess? OK, pre-1940s Britain I can understand, they wanted to go loot and rape as Imperial Viceroys, but today? You're just a target for the AQ etc.

So today's SD Professionals are precisely those with the skills and education of an Indian maid or DUI limo driver. And the extreme resentments of a frustrated Imperialist/ James Bond wannabe. Read Barbara Crossette's infantile tantrum (mature by her standards, BTW) again, and feel the underlying hate. How dare these Sa** N****** OPPOSE the various scams that WE put out, hain? EnPeeTee? SeeTeeBeeTee? Copenhagen Tee? Doha Tee? DubyapeeTee? Now the Son-Bin-NAFTA-Tee?

That's where the rogue elements in the SD get their encouragement for the DK extortion scams. I mean, how classy are ppl who routinely and "institutionally" lie and cheat on their taxes? Flaunt their moronic colonial prejudices on FACEBOOK?

So yes, they know how to pompously stamp "DENIED" on those visa applications from students and intelligent professionals, and fill in forms in triplicate and compose grandiose messages for WikiLeaks, and they know how to smuggle beef-burgers in their undies and run an illegal black-market operation from inside their embassy, but RELATIONS with nations? What's that? They have no relevant skills to speak of. Modern-day Fernands (of the Comte de Monte Cristo fame).

Political appointees, OTOH, have excelled at something in life, like used-car sales, real-estate scams, whatever, to gain the political patronage to become Ambassadors, and they never make the mistake of actually getting their hands dirty doing any work. Win-win.

SD folks had a visceral hatred for Muddlin' Halfbright (a Wendy clone, BTW) and probably for Blackwill (note that the T.Schaffer did not mention Blackwill). Both were "loquacious" as in, they could read and write. Unlike these dimbulbs.
A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12069
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by A_Gupta »

The department of dirty tricks:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014 ... ipulation/

Glenn Greenwald:
One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.
sanjaykumar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6095
Joined: 16 Oct 2005 05:51

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by sanjaykumar »

Why would anyone NOT assume that all online activity is gathered, collated and "actioned"?

The problem is signal to noise ratio. If there are one billion references to plots and conspiracies daily then it gets very difficult to be specific about the real ones.

Given hactivists, trolls and the generally disagreeable nature of humans, it must be a major problem.
Vayutuvan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12066
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 04:36

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Vayutuvan »

GCHQ is a UK govt organization. All their directors except the first one are knighted. From Wikipedia.
Does US use the similar tricks?
Vayutuvan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12066
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 04:36

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Vayutuvan »

Sanjaykumar

You are right but given the current hardware and software, especially "almost passing Turing test" setups like Watson or wolfram alpha/language the data can be processed at higher speeds than it can be generated due to the automatic nature of the classification. There is an asymmetry in the information complexity of creation vs. understanding. Since false positives or negatives are not disastrous unlike in the exact sciences it could be (and being used as) one of the tools in the Toolbox. The question is at what point the citizens would say the govt, has crossed into totalitarian territory. I don't think there is such a sharp line as such but some of the tactics are in the zone.
Last edited by Vayutuvan on 01 Mar 2014 00:33, edited 1 time in total.
rsingh
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4451
Joined: 19 Jan 2005 01:05
Location: Pindi
Contact:

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by rsingh »

arun wrote:With the ongoing US attack on the diplomatic immunity of Indian diplomats and the assault of Indian Economic interests by the US in areas such as aviation and pharmaceuticals, perhaps Barbara Crosette’s depiction of India as “The Biggest Pain In Asia” was a more true depiction of how the US perceived India rather than US peddled line of India and the US being “natural allies”:

Foreign Policy from way back in January 2010:

The Elephant In The Room : The Biggest Pain In Asia Isn’t The Country You’d Think
If We are doing half of what she said then I am happy.
sanjaykumar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6095
Joined: 16 Oct 2005 05:51

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by sanjaykumar »

There are possibilities for increasing signal fidelity. One is to look at networks. The visitor to jihad sites whose only other interest is black babes with big ones is probably a lower priority threat to the US.

Of course deceptions are possible. The issue of sensitivity can be utilised to swamp the signal by spurious data. For eg an explicit strike threat can be issued over months and over the global internet. But a recipient key would be necessary to make it specific.
rgsrini
BRFite
Posts: 738
Joined: 17 Sep 2005 18:00

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by rgsrini »

China hits back at US in human rights report
China on Friday issued a report on human rights in the US, denouncing it for foreign drone strikes, state-sponsored spying and "rampant" gun crime after Washington criticised its rights record.
Beijing said the US "concealed and avoided mentioning its own human rights problems", such as a government-run intelligence programme known as PRISM which it said "seriously infringes on human rights".

This is exactly India should do. Not just a report, and an annual certification to become eligible to do business with India.
Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21233
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Prem »

India's tough defamation, public order laws fell another book
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-indi ... z2ueCzRaue

By Shashank Bengali ( Bhandarlok)
MUMBAI, India — The Hindu epic "Ramayana" features a 10-headed villain, a magical golden deer and the flying monkey god Hanuman. But when an American religion scholar described the canonical poem as fictional, some religious conservatives were shocked.Angered by what they called an insulting, inaccurate and sexualized depiction of India's predominant faith by University of Chicago divinity professor Wendy Doniger, Hindu activists waged a four-year court battle against her book "The Hindus: An Alternative History." This month, Doniger's India publisher, a branch of Penguin Random House, agreed to settle the lawsuit by recalling and destroying all unsold copies of the book.
For Indian writers and intellectuals, it was the latest worrisome setback for the printed word in a country that likes to think of itself as a freewheeling, pluralistic democracy.India's constitution enshrines free speech, but its laws against defamation and upsetting the public order are broad, leading a growing number of publishers — storied houses such as Penguin Books India included — to shy away from books that carry even a whiff of controversy."In India you publish at your peril," Pratap Bhanu Mehta, president of a prominent think tank, wrote in the Indian Express. He said the decision to "pulp" (the industry term for destroy) Doniger's book was "the pulping of liberal India." The company said in a statement that the growing use of the provision "will make it increasingly difficult for any Indian publisher to uphold international standards of free expression without deliberately placing itself outside the law."[/b]But many say the problem lies not only with the law, but also with publishers that are unwilling to challenge it in court. Lawsuits expose publishers and authors to potential criminal penalties and massive fines, and cases can take years — marked by hefty lawyers' bills — to wind through India's tortuous legal system.
"It's disheartening," said Ashok Malik, a prominent columnist. "You can't force publishers to fight these legal challenges, but the fact is that if publishers themselves don't fight we could end up with really blandly written nonfiction in this country, where nothing controversial is touched or looked at very carefully."Censorship struggles in India date to the years after its independence from British rule in 1947, when books that cast a critical eye on nationalist heroes or policies were banned. Although India's economy has liberalized rapidly over the last two decades, its penal code still gives authorities a wide berth to block speech in the name of preserving "public order, decency or morality."In 2011, authorities in the western state of Gujarat, which is led by the conservative Bharatiya Janata Party, barred the sale of a biography of Gandhi by former New York Times executive editor Joseph Lelyveld that suggested that the icon of India's independence struggle was bisexual. Narendra Modi, the state's chief minister and the front-runner to become India's next prime minister after elections in May, explained then that the book "hurt the sentiments of those with capacity for sane and logical thinking."Doniger has criticized Indian laws, not her publisher.Dinanath Batra, the retired school principal who led the fight against "The Hindus," said he would soon take aim at another one of the many books that Doniger has written or co-written on Hinduism."She may be a scholar at home, but in India she has defiled the culture of our country," Batra said in an interview. "You are correct that we have freedom of speech in our constitution, but that does not mean it is without limits."
svinayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14223
Joined: 09 Feb 1999 12:31

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by svinayak »

rsingh wrote:
arun wrote:With the ongoing US attack on the diplomatic immunity of Indian diplomats and the assault of Indian Economic interests by the US in areas such as aviation and pharmaceuticals, perhaps Barbara Crosette’s depiction of India as “The Biggest Pain In Asia” was a more true depiction of how the US perceived India rather than US peddled line of India and the US being “natural allies”:

Foreign Policy from way back in January 2010:

The Elephant In The Room : The Biggest Pain In Asia Isn’t The Country You’d Think
If We are doing half of what she said then I am happy.

At the time of independence Churchill had talked about a smaller India and to cut down Indian influence. They have been relentless in reducing influence of India, Their most successful effort is to make sure US govt and American people do not get influenced by India and there is no pro-India lobby in US for several decades. Brilliantly they took the help of Pakistan for 50 years to reduce the soft power of India in the rest of the world.
For all its business acumen and the extraordinary creativity unleashed in the service of growth, today's India is an international adolescent, a country of outsize ambition but anemic influence. India's colorful, stubborn loquaciousness, so enchanting on a personal level, turns out to be anything but when it comes to the country's international relations. On crucial matters of global concern, from climate change to multilateral trade, India all too often just says no.
A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12069
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by A_Gupta »

matrimc wrote:GCHQ is a UK govt organization. All their directors except the first one are knighted. From Wikipedia.
Does US use the similar tricks?
Greenwald write "western intelligence agencies" so I assume all of them use it.

As it is, I think Greenwald, an American citizen, is being pretty bold in writing all that he does - various politicians have said he too, like Snowden, should be prosecuted for treason. So if he doesn't finger the US specifically, but makes his case by showing an example from the UK or some other western country, I don't think it casts any doubt on whether the US does it.
Vayutuvan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12066
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 04:36

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Vayutuvan »

So greenwald has some serious opposition which is a mark of calling a spade a spade.
sanjaykumar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6095
Joined: 16 Oct 2005 05:51

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by sanjaykumar »

On crucial matters of global concern, from climate change to multilateral trade, India all too often just says no.

This lady needs a mirror real bad.
Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21233
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Prem »

Tushar Kashkari in race for the upcoming CA Governer's election as Republican candidate . He will be a good replacemet for weak Jindal for Republican.
Kashkari a Newcomer in California Politics – But Seasoned by TARP
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2 ... soned-TARP
SACRAMENTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Neel Kashkari knows he faces a tall order this election year. A relative newcomer on the California political scene, Kashkari announced in January that he will challenge Gov. Jerry Brown, who has now announced that he is seeking re-election and has amassed a financial war chest. Kashkari will address what he sees as the most pressing priorities for Californians when he speaks to the Sacramento Press Club on Thursday, March 6 at the club’s monthly buffet lunch at Capitol Plaza, 1025 Ninth Street, 3rd Floor. Tickets, $29 for members and $40 for non-members, may be purchased at www.sacpressclub.org. The RSVP deadline is 5 p.m. Tuesday, March 4. The candidate is best known for managing the U.S. Treasury Department’s Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) when the financial crisis struck in 2008. Kashkari is running partly on his experience operating that program, in which he brought together Republican and Democratic lawmakers to write and pass landmark legislation. An Ohio native, Kashkari earned bachelor’s and master’s degrees in engineering at the University of Illinois and worked in the aerospace engineering industry before opting to join the world of finance, earning an MBA from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. He has spent the better part of the last year touring the state and meeting with people as he explored a bid for public office. At the Sacramento Press Club luncheon, he is expected to discuss his ideas about the future of California
Vayutuvan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12066
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 04:36

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Vayutuvan »

Long term global concerns may not necessarily match with short term Indian concerns.
Last edited by Vayutuvan on 01 Mar 2014 09:12, edited 1 time in total.
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by UlanBatori »

Being from upper Himachal, I happen to have read a lot on the "Global Warming" BS.
The issue is very simple. If there is too much CO2 in the atmosphere, it is because the industrialized economies put it there since the Industrial Revolution. Their wealth came at that cost to the world. Therefore, the solution is for THEM to reduce their emissions until they have paid for their actions. The other nations which have been held back for centuries, cannot be asked to delay their development until they have grown to a decent level.

That was the basis for the UNFCCC, which led to the Kyoto protocol. By 2005 the "Appendix A" nations (the culprits) were to meet their quotas. By 2013 they were to have reduced their emissions to their 1990 levels.

Instead, as of 2009 (Copenhagen) they decided to change the goalposts, and kept demanding that China and India join the Appendix A list as Developed Nations. Meanwhile, Australia is allowed to keep increasing emissions.

The US, of course, has refused to sign the Kyoto protocol.

And the SD and the village idiotte Crossette wants to blame India for all that, since trying to blame China just gets the finger up their musharrafs.
Last edited by UlanBatori on 01 Mar 2014 07:03, edited 1 time in total.
member_28380
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 69
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by member_28380 »

svinayak wrote:

Foreign Policy from way back in January 2010:

The Elephant In The Room : The Biggest Pain In Asia Isn’t The Country You’d Think
[/quote]

This Barbara Crossette old witch seems to have pathological hatred of India. Wonder what could be the reason.

There is another angle to look at this, the more powerful a country becomes the shriller the criticism. Look at how
much criticism US takes/ ignores.
member_28380
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 69
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by member_28380 »

MurthyB wrote:Extremist censorship holds Hindus in chains

BY SHIKHA DALMIA :roll:
The book, it claimed, had “hurt the feelings of millions of Hindus” with its overly erotic interpretations of their faith.

But by using censorship to salve Hindus' imaginary wounds, it'll ensure that the best scholarship about its own religion won't happen in its own country. It'll happen elsewhere, especially America. :rotfl:
One of their arguments is that the study of Hinduism has become dominated by American scholars and smacks of neo-colonialism that denies, as one put it, “Hindus their own experience of their own religion.” There are two problems with this accusation:

• First, it gets things backwards. One of Doniger's key aims is precisely to free Hinduism from the puritanical distortions imposed by Victorian British colonialists. :rotfl:

Second, it is an admission of their own intellectual bankruptcy. Hindus feel threatened by contrarian interpretations because they haven’t developed a critical mass of scholarship of their own.
But that won’t happen in a political environment hostile to open inquiry. Free thinkers are unlikely to enter fields ruled by narrow dogmatism where certain interpretations have already been declared illicit.

And if they do, it won’t be in India. They’re likely to come to America, whose wealth and commitment to academic freedom has resulted in the greatest flowering of the liberal arts in our times.
They’ll study with Americans like Doniger and get initiated in American norms of scholarship :rotfl:
The rot is deep, deep.

Indeed. Ironically she works at the "Reason Foundation" :oops:

Most amazing to me is this statement: "Hindus feel threatened by contrarian interpretations because they haven’t developed a critical mass of scholarship of their own."

Even if we want to have an "open mind" and explore all view points, how can you deal with this fart?
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by shiv »

VijayKM wrote: Even if we want to have an "open mind" and explore all view points, how can you deal with this fart?
I noticed this during the "Out of India" debate. Indian origin apologists for the egregious wotzisname - was it Witzel? filled up information space with erudite articlesin support of his farts. They really have to be countered by logical arguments without anger. The will shut up, eventually, when they know how many people hold views that are different from their own.

I have been commenting on all these articles where the possibility of commenting exists
Suraj
Forum Moderator
Posts: 15043
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 12:31

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Suraj »

Jhujar wrote:India's tough defamation, public order laws fell another book
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-indi ... z2ueCzRaue
This article provides a very obvious opportunity:
* Go to the link.
* Post a scathing indictment of their own hypocrisy in the comments.
* End the comment with a challenge to avoid moderating the comments, to demonstrate their own credentials supporting freedom of speech.
* If they do moderate comments, post a terse rejoinder thanking them for making your point.

It is important to be civil while being supercilious.
Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21538
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Philip »

Watch the actions of the US's "strategic partner" in Syria....cutting off the hand of a thief for stealing.These are the satanic forces that the Americans,Saudis,Brits,French,Qataris,Turks,et al,are supplying with arms,funds,whatever to overthrow Assad and usher in this Taliban style hell in Syria.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... itter.html
#horror: The moment Muslim Syrian extremists cut off a man's hand as punishment for stealing - and posted pics LIVE on Twitter
WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT: Islamist group live-tweeted punishment of a thief in northern Syria
Photos were posted online showing a man having his hand chopped off
Group claimed the man requested the punishment to 'cleanse him of sin'
Anindya
BRFite
Posts: 1539
Joined: 02 Feb 2003 12:31
Location: USA

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by Anindya »

Don't know if people remember this incident from a few years ago ... Yale university Press banned the publication of specific cartoons about mohammed in a book titled "Cartoons that shook the world". No one protested this incident as a form of religious extremism.

Yale Press Bans Images of Muhammad in New Book
Yale University and Yale University Press consulted two dozen authorities, including diplomats and experts on Islam and counter terrorism, and the recommendation was unanimous: The book, “The Cartoons That Shook the World,” should not include the 12 Danish drawings that originally appeared in September 2005. What’s more, they suggested that the Yale press also refrain from publishing any other illustrations of the prophet that were to be included, specifically, a drawing for a children’s book; an Ottoman print; and a sketch by the 19th-century artist Gustave Doré of Muhammad being tormented in Hell, an episode from Dante’s “Inferno” that has been depicted by Botticelli, Blake, Rodin and Dalí.

The book’s author, Jytte Klausen, a Danish-born professor of politics at Brandeis University, in Waltham, Mass., reluctantly accepted Yale University Press’s decision not to publish the cartoons. But she was disturbed by the withdrawal of the other representations of Muhammad.
rgosain
BRFite
Posts: 441
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 12:31

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by rgosain »

UlanBatori wrote:Being from upper Himachal, I happen to have read a lot on the "Global Warming" BS.
The issue is very simple. If there is too much CO2 in the atmosphere, it is because the industrialized economies put it there since the Industrial Revolution. Their wealth came at that cost to the world. Therefore, the solution is for THEM to reduce their emissions until they have paid for their actions. The other nations which have been held back for centuries, cannot be asked to delay their development until they have grown to a decent level.

That was the basis for the UNFCCC, which led to the Kyoto protocol. By 2005 the "Appendix A" nations (the culprits) were to meet their quotas. By 2013 they were to have reduced their emissions to their 1990 levels.

Instead, as of 2009 (Copenhagen) they decided to change the goalposts, and kept demanding that China and India join the Appendix A list as Developed Nations. Meanwhile, Australia is allowed to keep increasing emissions.

The US, of course, has refused to sign the Kyoto protocol.

And the SD and the village idiotte Crossette wants to blame India for all that, since trying to blame China just gets the finger up their musharrafs.
UB this is an excellent point, and one that is conveniently forgotten. European countries had access to cheap coal and the mineral wealth of their colonies. India could only hope to industrialise after independence because the UK saw it as a captive market for products from the UK, and imposed swingeing taxes on indian produced textiles, metallarugy and salt which benefited the colonial industrialists and crippled India. Interesting that 250 years after the start of the industrial revolution, India commulative CO2 emissions are below that of the UK.
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by shiv »

Suraj wrote:
Jhujar wrote:India's tough defamation, public order laws fell another book
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-indi ... z2ueCzRaue
This article provides a very obvious opportunity:
* Go to the link.
* Post a scathing indictment of their own hypocrisy in the comments.
* End the comment with a challenge to avoid moderating the comments, to demonstrate their own credentials supporting freedom of speech.
* If they do moderate comments, post a terse rejoinder thanking them for making your point.

It is important to be civil while being supercilious.
I've done my bit.
vishvak
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 5836
Joined: 12 Aug 2011 21:19

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by vishvak »

^^
First world nations can't stop spreading lies and deception in international fora.
In Europe more mines are to be opened for mining dirtiest coal now.
Dirtiest coal’s rebirth in Europe flattens Medieval towns - dated January 2014.
More:Germany and coal
Another report Germany Plans to Raze Towns for Brown Coal and Cheap Energy
This after push for renewable energy sources in Germany touted as the most advanced. God knows what is status in other countries.
A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12069
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by A_Gupta »

VijayKM wrote:
svinayak wrote:

Foreign Policy from way back in January 2010:

The Elephant In The Room : The Biggest Pain In Asia Isn’t The Country You’d Think
This Barbara Crossette old witch seems to have pathological hatred of India. Wonder what could be the reason.

There is another angle to look at this, the more powerful a country becomes the shriller the criticism. Look at how much criticism US takes/ ignores.[/quote]

Please to point out that per around 2005 statistics, a person taking a round trip from New York to Beijing by a large airliner, assuming about 200 persons per plane, was responsible for the emission of as much carbon dioxide, in that trip, as the economic activities of 10 Indians that whole year. (The person in question was NY Times columnist Paul Krugman, who in one column or blog post was kvetching about India's stand on carbon, and he had just performed such a journey. I submitted the estimate as a comment, I don't know if he ever saw it, but he hasn't said much on that topic since.)
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by UlanBatori »

I've done my bit.
Me 2!!
CRamS
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6865
Joined: 07 Oct 2006 20:54

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by CRamS »

A_GuptaJi,

You took on an Economics Nobel Prize winner and silenced him. Impressive.

BTW: I am sure I have it somewhere on my hard drive, but a few years ago, Paul Krugman wrote a very insightful blog I believe on carbon tax and how to enforce it. In other words, what is a free market approach to carbon tax taking into account social welfare.
ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 59773
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Post by ramana »

Anindya wrote:Don't know if people remember this incident from a few years ago ... Yale university Press banned the publication of specific cartoons about mohammed in a book titled "Cartoons that shook the world". No one protested this incident as a form of religious extremism.

Yale Press Bans Images of Muhammad in New Book
Yale University and Yale University Press consulted two dozen authorities, including diplomats and experts on Islam and counter terrorism, and the recommendation was unanimous: The book, “The Cartoons That Shook the World,” should not include the 12 Danish drawings that originally appeared in September 2005. What’s more, they suggested that the Yale press also refrain from publishing any other illustrations of the prophet that were to be included, specifically, a drawing for a children’s book; an Ottoman print; and a sketch by the 19th-century artist Gustave Doré of Muhammad being tormented in Hell, an episode from Dante’s “Inferno” that has been depicted by Botticelli, Blake, Rodin and Dalí.

The book’s author, Jytte Klausen, a Danish-born professor of politics at Brandeis University, in Waltham, Mass., reluctantly accepted Yale University Press’s decision not to publish the cartoons. But she was disturbed by the withdrawal of the other representations of Muhammad.
Will Yale also not publish an image of the frieze over the US Supreme Court that shows Muhammad among the law givers?

Image

Source:

http://www.wnd.com/2006/02/34686/
Post Reply