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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 08:20 
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I had the misfortune of hitting a deer and getting my car totaled a few years ago. Most of the deer accidents occur during the season between October and January.

Coming back to this Bovine/Deer thing... my point is that bovines on roads is not a conscious decision out of philosophical and religious considerations. It is inability of us Indians to plan and implement things so that life is more efficient. This same slack attitude lets in Kasabs into India


Good one.

It is inefficient to have a deer on a road. It is efficient to have them somewhere else. What were your eyes and wits doing on that road when you hit the deer? You hit the deer right? Why did you hit the deer? Or did the deer come and hit you?

Your personal misfortune gets prominent mention. How come you are talking as if there was no fault of yours here? Balls to the deer. Did you seek medical attention for the deer? Were there no nearby animal hospitals? I am so sorry to hear that your car was totaled by the inefficiency of a system that allowed a deer on a road. Was the system so inefficient that there were no signs that the deer could have read? Heaven forbid.

Perhaps signs could have been put up to stop Kasab? These are absolutely pathetic arguments you are making, mixing up your personal misery with lack of efficiency and connecting it to Kasab.

Your point about bovines on roads is your assumption with no insight. Bovines on roads is a perfectly conscious cultural decision in India. Not religious. The cars came after the bovines. The cars have to adjust to the bovines. You think that is "inefficient"? There are others who feel differently. What makes your view more right than others. It's just an individual selfish viewpoint. Others have their selfish viewpoints.


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Mods, please forgive me, but posting it in here since it is in context of recent discussions.

I am planning to make a spoof of top gear here in Chennai bringing in the typical stereotypes of Britards/associated low lives and other stuff with special focus on Clarkson. The info on the rats, general filth of UK and other info in this thread has helped a lot, and I am planning a plot on these lines. It will be an amateur video onlee maybe for half an hour or so. Anyone interested please email india_forever at the rate of inbox daat caam.


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 10:13 
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A wild deer running across a road in the Michigan is comparable to a rhino crossing the road in Assam--they are quite common, both cause accidents but have to be accepted because we haven't found the right balance in either country. On the other hand, domesticated animals populating main highways and railways is only found in India. There's a big difference and we ignore it at our peril.

Inefficient and dangerous roads hurt mainly the poor, the very people who let those cows and goats loose on the highways. It is not city people who don't get kerosene oil, rice and salt quickly enough, it is the people in the villages who get fleeced on simple things like this precisely because it takes an expedition to get these things to their doorstep. It is not the people in cars or buses that die, it is the ones on bicycles, scooters, thelas and rikshaws. The social divide between remote villages and urban centers is a major reason for poverty in India--it is simply too difficult and dangerous in India even in the 21st century for people in the villages to interact with the metros. We need safe, fast traffic systems to grow economically and socially and the question is how to make this happen. Making silly excuses will only prolong this injustice just as they have done for decades.

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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 10:15 
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OT but here it is. Youtube or Another

Thats Youtube videos of how a deer hit happens. In those videos they were atleast driving during the day time. I was driving at night around 1 AM on an interstate at 70MPH. So no way you can do anything to salvage the situation because you have less than a second to react. And in less than a second you cannot change the direction and speed of the car. In my accident the deer was torn asunder with one half on my wind shield and the other half under the tire. No one can do anything about this. It happens a lot on highways. And yes the authorities do everything that can be done short of mass killings. They do scientific studies about the deer population and their growth rate. And during the season enough recreational hunting permits are granted to citizens who hunt them for meat, head and skin etc. Also there are road signs indicating deer prone areas.

But the major distinction here is America has lots of forest cover every where and they also have excellent road connectivity through them so that they can connect cities with each other. In places like these away from cities deer hits happen during the season when their population is high and they are moving across. It is different from what we are discussing, that of bovine presence on city roads among major population centers.

Edited Later: As Victor above said. The major difference is Domesticated vs Wild. This is what happens on Bangalore roads.(Youtube).
Most of these cows that are left to roam are done so because the herder feels its cost effective to let the cattle forage rather than buy cattle feed(May be out of poverty).


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 10:35 
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No one can do anything about this. It happens a lot on highways. And yes the authorities do everything that can be done short of mass killings. They do scientific studies about the deer population and their growth rate. And during the season enough recreational hunting permits are granted to citizens who hunt them for meat, head and skin etc. Also there are road signs indicating deer prone areas.


Nonsense. You build a highway through a forest and allow cars to run though at 70 mph and then you say nothing can be done about it. It's just your apologetic attitude to what sounds profoundly stupid to me just as cows on the road sound profoundly stupid to you. Why can't you accept my excuses that are as stupid as yours? I'll answer that. You think your view is morally right. That's all.

And this is the Indo-UK thread where you bring up whines about India because of an accident you had in the US where they have their own stupid excuses for such accidents. Your intent is more to have a whine about India than anything else - seeing how you bring in inane excuses and apologies and the Kasab straw man in the middle of all that. I am amazed at the grievances you are regurgitating. You have one huge chip on the shoulder.

You hit a deer on a highway at 70 mph in the US so cows on Indian roads are bad, and that is how Kasab got in. I love it.


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 10:42 
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Ok let me return the favor. I am sure you will enjoy this video of a deer's head getting shot in America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxGBrtcqLo4


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 10:44 
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Victor wrote:
A wild deer running across a road in the Michigan is comparable to a rhino crossing the road in Assam--they are quite common, both cause accidents but have to be accepted because we haven't found the right balance in either country. On the other hand, domesticated animals populating main highways and railways is only found in India. There's a big difference and we ignore it at our peril. .


yeah Cows are Common too in India and you have to accept it.


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 10:58 
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It's not just Pakistan that's promoting piracy. Here comes londonistan. All easy money.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 6244865278
THE British government has secretly approved the payment of millions of dollars in ransom money to Somali pirates despite stating publicly that it opposes such deals.

Dozens of payments -- most for hijacked ships -- have been sent from banks in London through British airports to pirate gangs on the Somali coast, a leading insurance industry expert has revealed.

Each payment is individually signed off by a unit within Whitehall, contradicting the claims by ministers including Foreign Secretary William Hague that Britain does not support or "facilitate" such payoffs because that would encourage piracy. :rotfl: {we Paki cousins onlee, we talk pious act devil}

There are fears some ransom payments approved by the government are financing Islamist terror groups in the Horn of Africa and that the government's use of the Royal Navy to combat piracy stands in stark contrast to its quiet support for the payments.


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 11:31 
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Yogi_G, please devote 3-5 minutes on the Black Death and its impact on European psyche, the development of Protestant branch and Renaissance + Reformation.

We need an Indian gaze on this, i.e Purva-Paksha on the old continent.


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 12:05 
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Yogi_g - also about chadwick movement. How people in london threw defecated material on the streets. How london became plague capital and later TB capital of the world.

And yes, about dirty rivers

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... cy-england

Pl quote Gandhiji talking about gutter inspection report. Katherine Mayo, gutter inspector, as Mahatma Gandhi called her because she wrote a book titled "Mother India' describing all these chi chi things of India.

Why ukstan is taking a role of Gutter Inspector at regular interval!!


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 13:27 
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Aditya_V wrote:

I think in these statistics one class of Vehicles is missing, 2 Wheelers. No way India has only 74 million Vehicles when you add 2 wheelers in the mix as quoted by Jermy Clarkson.

As per Road accident Stats released in TN. the largest no of accident fatalities are from two wheelers hitting pedestrians.

BTW: Having to suffer daily from the road sense of my fellow citizens, I do not justify the callous attitude of many of them.


Saar, please see data here
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2777&p=1227703#p1227703


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 13:57 
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abhishek_sharma wrote:

Well, a farm is a confined place...snip..

Sharma ji,
Reply here
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2777&p=1227722#p1227722


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This discussion is a perfect example of Macaulized mindset I must say (not the issue, the discussion on the issue), comment on it here.

viewtopic.php?p=1227750#p1227750


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 15:22 
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Bri,there is a fundamental Q here.Does corruption affect you in your daily life? In India absolutely yes.We have to bribe our way to get our basic utilities like water,telephones (much less now after the advent of pvt. cell-phone companies),electricity,etc.If you up the ladder for permissions for buildings,licences for hotels,etc.,unless you pay the price there is no go.Forget about the police,I can vouch from personal experience! This kind of corruption is not found in developed nations at all,barring the odd case.There would be public outrage if "baksheesh" demands were made of the public in western develeoped nations.Corruption here does exist,but is at a much higher invisible level,like the pay-offs to Tony Blair for his unstinted support for the invasion of Iraq,where he is raking in the millions on the lecture circuit giving talks at times to obscure organisations for fat fees.Other PMs like Major,etc. get lucrative directorships or consultancies with the most octopi-like entities like the Carlyle Group,just a few details below:

(According to a 2011 ranking called the PEI 300 based on capital raised over the last five years, Carlyle was ranked as the third largest private equity firm in the world, after TPG Capital and Goldman Sachs Principal Investment Area.[3] Carlyle had been ranked first in the 2007 listing.[4]
In 2010, the Financial Times announced that Carlyle Group is the private equity firm of the year.
Carlyle reported assets in excess of $150 billion under management diversified over 84 distinct funds.According to a 2011 ranking called the PEI 300 based on capital raised over the last five years, Carlyle was ranked as the third largest private equity firm in the world, after TPG Capital and Goldman Sachs Principal Investment Area.[3] Carlyle had been ranked first in the 2007 listing.[4]
In 2010, the Financial Times announced that Carlyle Group is the private equity firm of the year.)

Prominent personalities of the group.

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Notable current and former employees and advisors

[edit] Business
G. Allen Andreas - Chairman of the Archer Daniels Midland Company, Carlyle European Advisory Board
Daniel Akerson -Board member at 7 companies, Managing director at Carlyle
Joaquin Avila - former managing director at Lehman Brothers, Managing director at Carlyle
Laurent Beaudoin - CEO of Bombardier (1979-), former member of Carlyle’s Canadian Advisory board
Peter Cornelius - Managing Director of Nielsen Australia.
Paul Desmarais - Chairman of the Power Corporation of Canada, former member of Carlyle’s Canadian Advisory board
David M. Moffett - CEO of Freddie Mac, Former Senior advisor to the Carlyle
Karl Otto Pöhl - former President of the Bundesbank, Former Senior advisor to the Carlyle Group
Olivier Sarkozy (half-brother of Nicolas Sarkozy, President of France) - co-head and managing director of its recently launched global financial services division, since March 2008.[41]

[edit] Political figures

[edit] North America
James Baker III, former United States Secretary of State under George H. W. Bush, Staff member under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, Carlyle Senior Counselor, served in this capacity from 1993 to 2005.
George H. W. Bush, former U.S. President, Senior Advisor to the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board from April 1998 to October 2003.
Frank C. Carlucci, former United States Secretary of Defense from 1987 to 1989; Carlyle Chairman and Chairman Emeritus from 1989 to 2005.
Arthur Levitt, Chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle Senior Advisor from 2001 to the present
Luis Téllez Kuenzler, Mexican economist, former Secretary of Communications and Transportation under the Felipe Calderón administration and former Secretary of Energy under the Zedillo administration.
Frank McKenna, former Premier of New Brunswick, Canadian Ambassador to the United States between 2005 and 2006 and current Deputee Chairman of Toronto-Dominion Bank; served on Carlyle's Canadian advisory board.
Mack McLarty, Carlyle Group Senior Advisor (from 2003), White House Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1994.
Randal K. Quarles, former Under Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under President George W. Bush, now a Carlyle managing director

[edit] Europe
John Major, former British Prime Minister, Chairman, Carlyle Europe from 2001 - 2004

[edit] Asia
Anand Panyarachun, former Prime Minister of Thailand (twice), former member of the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board until the board was disbanded in 2004
Fidel V. Ramos, former president of the Philippines, Carlyle Asia Advisor Board Member until the board was disbanded in 2004
Peter Chung, former associate at Carlyle Group Korea, who resigned in 2001 after 2 weeks on the job after his infamous email scandal
Thaksin Shinawatra, former Prime Minister of Thailand (twice), former member of the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board until 2001 when he resigned upon being elected Prime Minister.[42]

[edit] Media
Norman Pearlstine - editor-in-chief of Time magazine from (1995–2005), senior advisor telecommunications and media group 2006-



http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le3995.htm

This program was broadcast on VPRO Netherlands TV:

Exposed: The Carlyle Group
Shocking documentary uncovers the subversion of Americas democracy.
I defy you to watch this 48 minute documentary and not be outraged about the depth of corruption and deceit within the highest ranks of our government.


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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012 17:33 
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Today is the 3rd day of Sankranthi, or "maatu pongal" in Tamil Nadu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makar_Sankranti
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The third day of festival is Maattu Pongal. It is for offering thanks to cattle, as they help farmer in different ways for agriculture. On this day the cattle are decorated with paint, flowers and bells. They are allowed to roam free and fed sweet rice and sugar cane. Some people decorate the horns with gold or other metallic covers. In some places, Jallikattu, or taming the wild bull contest, is the main event of this day and this is mostly seen in the villages.


What do they do to cattle on this day in Britain? :D


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shiv wrote:
Today is the 3rd day of Sankranthi, or "maatu pongal" in Tamil Nadu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makar_Sankranti
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The third day of festival is Maattu Pongal. It is for offering thanks to cattle, as they help farmer in different ways for agriculture. On this day the cattle are decorated with paint, flowers and bells. They are allowed to roam free and fed sweet rice and sugar cane. Some people decorate the horns with gold or other metallic covers. In some places, Jallikattu, or taming the wild bull contest, is the main event of this day and this is mostly seen in the villages.


What do they do to cattle on this day in Britain? :D


They are left overnight in the barn with Jeremy Clarkson for some "smooth riding".


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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2012 04:22 
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Philip ji,
that is exactly the line I indicated - whether that "upper level" corruption is transparent. In volume terms, even if "lower" level broad-spectrum corruptiuon is not visible - the total quantum of the corruptiuon flow may well over exceed all that happens in India. Ultimately, it is the people of those lands who are paying for it too. Just because it is indirect or apparently invisible does not do away with the balancing of accounts.


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PostPosted: 23 Jan 2012 19:03 
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link Some tidbits about recent controversy suggests how hollow the global free speech bastions are and the undercurrents that effect outlook in India.
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Relying on a House of Lords’ decision of 1979, Muslims in the UK fervently pleaded for an extension of the law of blasphemy to non-Christian religions. But it was turned down because Whitehall (the seat of England’s government), even with the influx of millions of immigrants to England, was still — at least in outlook — an exclusively Christian country!

If by innuendo, the distinguished and popular author, who could not attend/ did not attend/ was not permitted to attend the Jaipur Literature Festival (take your pick!), had linked the names of the four women in his book instead to Jesus Christ, he would have been guilty of the criminal offence of blasphemy in England — the bastion of free speech.
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My response to some recent comments by a few members of the distinguished literati — Indian and foreign — in Jaipur over the last weekend is that intentional vilification of the Christian religion is still as much a criminal offence in the UK (a land of hope and glory for free speech) as it is in India — except that in India it is not restricted to one religion alone.

In other words, the freedom of speech is not a principle but convenience only for a few and for the rest freedom of speech it is punishable. I am not sure if the clergy class is silent on free speech debate for Pope himself has opined against secularism in Spain, Australia. But then it may happen that the Church will own up anything that looks better even if it is a lie in UK and a reality in India, a land of heathen and pagans.

Such shallow & double standards by those who speak of high & modern values.

Why don't we send some human rights people to address partial blasphemy laws? I am sure the good people of global village who are not bigoted, not dishonest and not unfair with any amount of courage and understanding of justice & peace will consider universal blasphemy laws as civilized.

Or that those who take false pride should be left to their own karma. Karma is more of a bull who serves than a bitch who hits back. Should I trust karma more than the bigoted dishonest and unfair.

By the way, the Wiki entry for Fali S. Nariman is mind boggling. Such titans in India is matter of pride & wisdom.


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Purush wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:

I think in these statistics one class of Vehicles is missing, 2 Wheelers. No way India has only 74 million Vehicles when you add 2 wheelers in the mix as quoted by Jermy Clarkson.

As per Road accident Stats released in TN. the largest no of accident fatalities are from two wheelers hitting pedestrians.

BTW: Having to suffer daily from the road sense of my fellow citizens, I do not justify the callous attitude of many of them.


Saar, please see data here
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2777&p=1227703#p1227703


That link says nearly 90 million vehicles as of March 31, 2006. In the last 5.75 years. with nearly 10 million 2 wheelers per year plus cars plus trucks and buses Clarkson right number should have been close to 150 million vehicles in India with 100 million 2 wheelers. Having ridden 2 Wheelers in India and driving a car now. my risk of accidents in 2 wheeler accidents is much higher. Remember we are talking of 2 wheelers not only in relatively slower city but Highway fatalities as well.

4 lakh died in accidents in 2010 in India; majority 2 wheeler victims


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David Cameron urges European leaders to 'be bolder'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16736260

What many Europeans have become like pessimits and hopeless. I think it is time for Europe to have strong hope that they are not going to go down and other economies are going to grow at their costs. Rather if they go down other growing economies too will also have serious problems.

In this sense Cameron is right to call EU leaders to be bolder and grow with strong hope. It is difficult to turn arond from spending culture to working and earning culture. But those richest fools who are trying to manipulate and ac umulate and abuse the present market system make huge money and run away without responsibilities should be punished and their wealth should be nationalised. Without much trust and hope in the present market system, the economy cannot grow and the system should also become transparent and fair in all possible ways.


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Now is the time to study, invest and to work with India : British Foreign Secretary


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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 645339.cms
World Economic Forum Davos 2012: Garib UK focused on trade ties with India, says David Cameron

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DAVOS: European leaders seem to be edging closer to a consensus on finding a solution to the Euro zone crisis, UK prime minister David Cameron told ET on the sidelines of a British Tea party. "From what Ms Merkel said on Wednesday, and from my sense, our message for the rest of the world is that we seem closer to a solution," Cameron said before he dropped in to the India Adda, chatting with visiting Indian CEOs sipping Darjeeling tea and eating dhoklas. He also said that he's expecting to host Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in London later this year, which will be the first visit by the Indian premier to the UK since Mr Cameron came to power. India was one of the first countries Cameron visited after taking over as UK prime minister. "India is growing, while Europe is not - but in Britain we are very focused on the India trade relationship," Cameron said. Earlier, in his keynote address, David Cameron highlighted the fact that Britain is "open for business" and committed to promoting business and enterprise, despite the austerity cuts. His focus on India came through as he skipped out of the British Tea party, an event meant to launch London's Olympics later this year, and dropped in to the India Adda for a few minutes. The UK event had no shortage of the strong India presence either - LN Mittal, his wife Usha and son Aditya attended as did top investment banker Jitesh Gadhia among others, along with UK chancellor George Osborne


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The UK is in "top gear"...pardon the pun,in engaging with India at the moment.Last year William Hague made a front page speech about the importance of Indo-Brit engagement and that his govt. would give it special momentum.This should give both countries a lot of mutual benefit.The enormous (peaceful) Indian diaspora in the UK is a goldmine for improving relations across the board.Indian buyouts of companies,distllleries, football clubs,etc.,is only cementing ties fruther.In complete contrast to ties with outr nieghbour,whose chief export to the UK is terror!

"4 lakh" deaths due to two wheelers?! Astonishing stats.The poor Pakis do not realise that if they want to kill more Indians,all they have to do is to sell us more two-wheelers.I can't understand why we are so blase about this shameful fact and do not usher in the most stringent of traffic and transport laws and enforce them .It is only when a family member or friend is killed or injured in a traffic accident that we start yelling in protest.The absence of public mass transportation in large cities is one main fact of the rise in the 2-wheeler population.In the UK,almost all citizens use public transport which by Indian stds, is exceptionally convenient.One never feels the need for owning a vehicle as even car hires and taxis are a call away.We are being seduced by the auto lobby which has ruined western democracies .If the GOI just transfers a small % of its focus upon national public transport ,and use the seas and waterways more effectively for transport too,a revolution in the way we travel and better safety would emerge.The UK is an example wher ewe acn learn a lot about public transport and high volumes carried.


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chackojoseph wrote:


Earlier, it probably was the time to rape, pillage, steal, starve and butcher India. :evil:


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Earlier, it probably was the time to rape, pillage, steal, starve and butcher India. :evil:


For Publicity purposes it was always study, invest and to work with India while the private intent was to make as much profit as possible from the relationship.


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"4 lakh" deaths due to two wheelers?! Astonishing stats.The poor Pakis do not realise that if they want to kill more Indians,all they have to do is to sell us more two-wheelers.I can't understand why we are so blase about this shameful fact "

I've always felt that, given the conditions and constraints of driving in India, with a huge variety of vehicles, plus people, plus animals sharing the roads, and the roads themselves being smaller generally, the kind of politeness and consideration you see in the West would be very difficult to imbibe or express. Still, even with the limitations in India, there is room for more courtesy, restraint and orderliness. And that would lead to more safety.

When I come to India shortly, I'm going to do my tiny, negligible bit ;-) to slow people down and implore them to be more respectful/considerate. Stuff like, "Hey man, slow down for a pedestrian, don't speed up and expect him to move" or "it's not the end of the world if you don't overtake the fellow in front of you" or " let the other car go, he's been waiting a while, so gesture to him". And "don't honk unless absolutely necessary".

Let's see the result of this ;-)


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When I come to India shortly, I'm going to do my tiny, negligible bit ;-) to slow people down and implore them to be more respectful/considerate. Stuff like, "Hey man, slow down for a pedestrian, don't speed up and expect him to move" or "it's not the end of the world if you don't overtake the fellow in front of you" or " let the other car go, he's been waiting a while, so gesture to him". And "don't honk unless absolutely necessary".

Ha ha...would love to hear how your experiment went ( if you are still alive at the end of it).

Had started off in this way but have given up and just try to follow all these things myself instead of bothering to tell others.


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"Had started off in this way but have given up and just try to follow all these things myself instead of bothering to tell others."

That's great, every little bit helps. You never know, someone could be influenced by your example somewhere, and adjust their behaviour accordingly. Or another individual may have noticed what you were doing, and reflected later, "I saw something interesting today, maybe more of us should follow that"


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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2012 21:29 
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Varoon Shekhar wrote:

When I come to India shortly, I'm going to do my tiny, negligible bit ;-) to slow people down and implore them to be more respectful/considerate. Stuff like, "Hey man, slow down for a pedestrian, don't speed up and expect him to move" or "it's not the end of the world if you don't overtake the fellow in front of you" or " let the other car go, he's been waiting a while, so gesture to him". And "don't honk unless absolutely necessary".

Let's see the result of this ;-)


Do what your heart tells you and I wish you luck. May you learn about India and have peace of mind. No sarcasm intended.


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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2012 22:24 
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Varoon Shekhar wrote:
"Had started off in this way but have given up and just try to follow all these things myself instead of bothering to tell others."

That's great, every little bit helps. You never know, someone could be influenced by your example somewhere, and adjust their behaviour accordingly. Or another individual may have noticed what you were doing, and reflected later, "I saw something interesting today, maybe more of us should follow that"

Will be very glad if that has happened!!

All the best to you too in your noble endevour, saar.


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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2012 01:28 
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shiv wrote:
Varoon Shekhar wrote:

When I come to India shortly, I'm going to do my tiny, negligible bit ;-) to slow people down and implore them to be more respectful/considerate. Stuff like, "Hey man, slow down for a pedestrian, don't speed up and expect him to move" or "it's not the end of the world if you don't overtake the fellow in front of you" or " let the other car go, he's been waiting a while, so gesture to him". And "don't honk unless absolutely necessary". Let's see the result of this ;-)
Do what your heart tells you and I wish you luck. May you learn about India and have peace of mind. No sarcasm intended.


Dont forget to say Hey Man to an old Pa in front of his sons !!
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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2012 05:49 
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Wasn't this the Indo-UK dhaga?? Jus' wondering...


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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2012 14:38 
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Hari Seldon wrote:
Wasn't this the Indo-UK dhaga?? Jus' wondering...


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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2012 17:01 
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shiv wrote:
Varoon Shekhar wrote:

When I come to India shortly, I'm going to do my tiny, negligible bit ;-) to slow people down and implore them to be more respectful/considerate. Stuff like, "Hey man, slow down for a pedestrian, don't speed up and expect him to move" or "it's not the end of the world if you don't overtake the fellow in front of you" or " let the other car go, he's been waiting a while, so gesture to him". Let's see the result of this ;-)
Do what your heart tells you and I wish you luck. May you learn about India and have peace of mind. No sarcasm intended.


While driving my car some years back, on a pretty congested road, I gave way to an ambulance and within seconds 2-3 autorickshawwallas immediately tried to occupy that vacant space, causing a traffic jam….


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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2012 18:54 
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While driving my car some years back, on a pretty congested road, I gave way to an ambulance and within seconds 2-3 autorickshawwallas immediately tried to occupy that vacant space, causing a traffic jam….


Irrespective of what happened, do give way to Ambulance, Fire Brigade , always.


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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2012 20:36 
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^^^^

Chaanakya, my post was primarily in response to Varoon's remark that when he visits India, he will tell people "don't honk unless absolutely necessary" etc...thus my post that when some people may not even bother to give way to ambulances, he expects to tell them not to honk unless absolutely necessary....

FWIW, the country where Varoon and I are presently based, it is mandatory/compulsory to give way to ambulances, police cars etc.


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PostPosted: 01 Feb 2012 05:13 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tract.html

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France swoops to rob UK of £13bn Indian jet contract despite Government promises aid package would secure deal.

India has snubbed British industry and awarded a £13billion deal to supply fighter jets to France.

The contract was lost despite Government claims that the UK’s £1billion aid package to India would help secure the order.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1l5C2QJDE



I am so glad we selected Rafale. :P


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PostPosted: 01 Feb 2012 08:56 
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The UK seems to have some really lofty ambitions fuelled by crumbs :eek:. India is supposed to ecstatically swoon over the GBP 280 Million the UK has offered India as aid :lol: :

AID ROW AS INDIA SNUBS UK OVER £7BN JET ORDER


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