Islamic Britain & The Compromised Western Civilization

[Chandragupta]

Looks like utter & abject surrender to the desert religion by Englistanis. Suits them right. From what I have heard from friends & relatives, London is pretty much an Islamic city anyway. More women in hijabs than Istanbul, from what they tell me.

If this is how it is going to be, SDRE Hindus remain the only bastion of the kufr civilization. I wonder if Muslims can put up banners like 'Your dead go to hell, ours go to Paradise' or spit at Indian Army soldiers in full public view & escape retribution from the Hindus like they get away in the west. Of course, another decade or so of Congress rule and that might change.

[RamaY]

Ramanaji,

I remember that prediction of yours.

I wonder if Queenstan (along with some Eurobian countries) can place itself as the Vaisya(business)/Sudras(technology) of Ummah. Araps will make the Brahmins and Pakjabi types Kshatriyas. They will be kind of some of the regiments of Persian king as showing in 300 movie.

Perhaps this is how they hope to undo the Hindu acquisitions and consolidation of this section. Given the IQ levels of Arabs and their current ummah brothers, this is the only way Queenstan can keep their hold on this sector using Arab oil money.

interesting times ahead.

[vishvak]

A few pointers to how to understand and neutralize propaganda/direct-action type scenarios for desi samaaj?

[Atri]

RajeshA ji,

One of the most important pointer is provided not by an anrej but by a german, that too the most hated german of modern times. Sri Adolf Hitler.

Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy. However, Nazi-era Minister of Armaments and War Production Albert Speer acknowledged that Hitler was only cooperating with Muslim figures, such as al-Husseini, because he felt the antisemitic views they shared would eventually help him win power and influence over the Middle East in the long run. According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" Speer also stated that when he was discussing with Hitler events which might have occurred had Islam absorbed Europe:

"Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."

Juxtapose this to what your's truly said on another dhaga

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1419841

Surasena ji,

The Urheimat OR Punyabhumi of anglosaxons is hybrid of Scotland and Scandinavia. For Tolkien, Shire was akin to this hybrid of Scotland Scandinavia. Similar is the Aslan's country in Lewis's Narnia series. In game of thrones series, GRR martin has similar idealization of "North". All of them draw heavily from Nordic mythology and folktales. And recurring theme is atlantis. heck, even Hogwarts in harry potter series is located in purer north.

In tolkein's universe, North is always something greener, purer which people of "west" fight to protect usually against east. The elite of "men of west" are originally from this legendary island of Numenor (atlantis). Tolkien's universe is based on WW1 scenario (Mordor and easterlings representing Turkey). It also had some hints of Nazi Germany (rise of isengard). The elephant riding evil "easterlings" form major chunk of Sauron's army. Battle of Minastirith is based on siege of Vienna where the "west" put forth the last stand and was surprisingly victorious by valor of horse-riding Polish Hussars (Here it is horseriders of Rohan).

Similarly in this Game of thrones series, the continent of Essos (asia) is where religion of 7 comes from which destroys the native religion (Christianization of Scandinavia and Scotland - A bloody tale) by fire. The elite rulers of continent "Westeros" (Europe OR "the west" as a whole) come from a legendary city of Valeria (or something) which is destroyed by fire and dragons and inbreeding.

The newest religion of one true "lord of lights" has names similar to ancient Zoroastrian religion (along with recurring motif of fire-worship) Azor ahai or something. It is complex borrowing from ongoing demographic invasion of Islam and Persian invasion on greece. As story progresses, one subplot is all about rediscovery of the religion of old gods which has gone in hiding in far north and its rejuvenation along with all the lores associated with it. The emotional attachment to prechristian ideals is strongest in Scandinavia.

[member_22872]

But, islamization of any country with nukes is a threat no ? islamization of a 'developed nation' is in fact is the best strategy for the islamists to get hold of nuke technology, ie., marry have kids, have ghettos, talk about islamophobia and you have laws favouring you to live long, prosper and screw others happiness while you are at it and end up with tons of latest weapons. Because of their close cooperation with the Americans, Brits have state of the art technology. So worrisome times than anything as far as threat to Kafur nations like India is concerned. And also Britain is haven for India centric terrorist organizations. Now Britain will become another TSP with training camps soon when this Islamization goes critical. But culturally, it is amusing that once Christian nation now is caught in the grip of islamism like an insect caught in a cobweb. The same weapon it used to divide India is now slowly digesting it from within. Serves them well.

[ramana]

RamaY, Its wrong to bring in Hindu motifs when discussing the mlecchas.
Even if the Brits adopt Islam they will still have to bow to Mecca in their East.
And if they adopt shariat, Islamic banking is not far off. And that will end their deriviatives and hedge fund scams and thus the utility of Londonistan as financial Mecca.


venug, If you think about it Malsi stopped the periodic scourge of Asia. Once the Persians were Islamised the physical threat of invasion of Europe ended. So no real invasion of Europe happened after that except for the Moorish incursion into Spanish Granada which was reversed in Reconquista.

[Agnimitra]

RajeshA ji,

One of the most important pointer is provided not by an anrej but by a german, that too the most hated german of modern times. Sri Adolf Hitler.

Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy. However, Nazi-era Minister of Armaments and War Production Albert Speer acknowledged that Hitler was only cooperating with Muslim figures, such as al-Husseini, because he felt the antisemitic views they shared would eventually help him win power and influence over the Middle East in the long run. According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" Speer also stated that when he was discussing with Hitler events which might have occurred had Islam absorbed Europe:

"Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."

Hitler and Nazism basically brought colonial Europe's core attitudes and policies home to roost - in the one Euro power that was continually suppressed by the others especially the Anglos, and was a colonially unsuccessful. Hitler admired and feared the Brits. The Brits did everything and more than what Hitler did, but they did it with greater finesse, deniability, lies and subterfuge. Hitler at once gives them the opportunity to feign moral umbrage and superiority at all that Nazism stands for, while at the same time it blows the lid on a lot of colonial Europe's (and especially Britain's) undercurrents and forces greater subterfuge - and hopefully some public shame.

Islamism is a 'solution' that helps these British elites resolve, both, their undercurrents of dominance and manipulation, as well as the public shame of those undercurrents and its historical legacy.

[shiv]

Let me add some pisko.

If any type of behaviour survives over centuries, it is because there is something about it that attracts and holds people. It is a form of cognitive blindness to fail to understand why someone else may be attracted by seemingly odd behaviour just because you are personally not attracted to that behaviour.

What I am trying to get at is that there are many aspects of Islam that are attractive to people in some situation. Islam is blatantly biased towards the dominant male who desires to have more than one woman and loot. It will always attract some men who find it the most convenient route to do their thing. Islam has also been structured to pardon some types of criminal behaviour (in other societies) in exchange for submitting to the rules of Islam. That is a convenient/fair exchange fo a person who is stuck between being declared criminal and retaining his freedom and honor.

But where cognitive blindness comes in is the way we (most of us are male and non Muslim) think of Islam and women. There is (IMO) a tendency to imagine that Islam is terrible to the woman. Once again, this is not true. There are aspects of Islam that some women, under some circumstances find attractive.

Psychological and sociological studies of girls between the ages of about 10 and 16 show that there is intense competition that can create deep insecurities and depression for some girls. A society that demands slim, pretty, tall girls with adequate boobs and the ability to attract "desirable" men will always favor some girls over other. Some girls in the latter group who have been traumatized and made to feel inferior because they are spotty or the wrong weight, benefit from the "equalization" created by the hijab and can be enticed into taking up Islam "voluntarily". Unless you actually work with adolescent girls some of these nuances cannot be seen. The reason I bring this up is the fact that it is illustrated by this article posted earlier
http://www.arabnews.com/british-women-who-turn-islam

The point I want to make here is that when you have a free non coercive society that allows any behaviour, there will always be people who will take up Islam.What is required of Islam is to stop coercion. Blindly opposing all behaviour that is termed Islamic is a mistake. That reduces some freedoms.

This is where the likes of Tarek Fateh and other sophisticated/elite Muslims who form the "interface" the "border" between the oil droplet of Islam and the wider kafir world tend to place themselves. they show that they are tolerant of kafirdom, but are yet good Muslims. Where they fail is in their ability to oppose Islamic coercion. Islam is a one way street where coercion is is the norm and that coercion has to be opposed by counter coercion which will always be termed anti-Islamic.

When you look at it in this way Islam sets up a religious conflict every time it meets opposition. You cannot claim that you are merely fighting for secularism and that you are not anti-Islamic. You have to be anti-Islamic. You have to be an Islamophobe if you want to allow people to have freedoms not allowed under Islam.

What Britain is doing is that it is probably generating a "diluted islamic culture" of the type that was created in India centuries ago. This diluted culture allows some un Islamic freedoms, but this puts it into conflict with Islam. Need to see where it goes..

JMT

[RamaY]

RamaY, Its wrong to bring in Hindu motifs when discussing the mlecchas.
Even if the Brits adopt Islam they will still have to bow to Mecca in their East.
And if they adopt shariat, Islamic banking is not far off. And that will end their deriviatives and hedge fund scams and thus the utility of Londonistan as financial Mecca.

No No! I am not talking about Hindu motivs. I am analysing the equation from a Hindu world-view. I will stop if that is not useful or applicable. My perspective was to achieve two things - (1) to explain this alignment from Hindu perspective and (2) how similar social structures exist in Islamic style camps, hence no need for self-flaggation by McCaulites.

In other words, Islam's strength is in its ideology and close linkage of that ideology to the coercion arm of the soceity. It's weakness is in developing a sustainable economy (not the financial engg type but to build and develop a MNC) and a strong working and R&D sector. That is where the western population can find a place in Ummah.

[Karan Dixit]

In my opinion, it is naive to state that U.Q. does not understand Islam. U.Q. understands Islam very well. I cannot think of any other nation which has used Islam more effectively than U.Q. to further its interest.

[RamaY]

^ that is why probably it is trying to position itself for next round of geopolitics. Check the extent of OIC and how much Britian can benefit by playing the right role in it.

[RajeshA]

Atri garu,

basically the Western civilization was left spiritually in shambles because they were force-fed Christianity and they had to involuntarily give up their earlier pagan religions - Wotan, Odinism, Druidism, etc..

Even though Christianity shaped society in Europe, it remained a means for pursuing political agendas by a different means. But spiritually it seems the Europeans never really bought into Christianity much, since from the beginning itself, i.e. after Constantine declared Christianity as state religion, it was clear that Christianity was simply another means for the ruler to impose authority onto the people. It was also clear that the Church pursued its own wealth accumulation programs.

As soon as enlightenment came around and people rose above the level of serfs, they saw the moral decay in the Church and turned away from it. As they started seeing Christianity along with Judaism as alien religions imposed on them, there was a renewed longing for the old pagan religions for these were still present in the people's historical memory.

But even the old religions had faded away to a large extent and people's hearts could not be seeded again. Besides the Europeans were also quite aware of the ethnic nature of those religions, and understood that these lacked the fanatical following that came with other religions like Islam.

The European has always bemoaned of not coming up with a spiritual religious system which could give it strength and clarity of purpose.

As such they have scouted around and looked at Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. but could never make up their mind as a collective.

One key concept of Christianity that the Europeans took to heart is that God made man in his own image. So if they wanted to play God they had to make others in their own image as well. So they started with global proselytization drive. But even that was because they wanted to play God and not because they were necessary convinced of Jesus's message.

Since they could not convincingly make the case for Christianity, because of their own lack of conviction, they tried to make the world also like themselves, shorn of any spirituality and religion. Some Macaulayites bought in into the message because of the TFTA and all. But they failed to see the emptiness that the Europeans themselves felt about themselves.

If you see Game of Thrones, you will see that there is a strong criticism of own society as degenerated and corrupt without any moral values, and even though the Dothraki are shown as savages there is a constant sense of respect for their sense of self as one sees through the eyes of Ser Jorah Mormont.

So the emptiness will be there and it was always there once Christianity took over and sent their gods into the depths of the North.

What is interesting is that even their pagan religions had a substantial influence from Bharatiya spiritual and mythological traditions - Æsir (Asura), Vanir (Vanara), Dverger (Dwarka), Druid (Dharma-Vedi). So even that they cannot really claim as their own completely. Once one's ex-faith is itself borrowed, then there can certainly be rootlessness.

So the European project has been to constantly give themselves some religious identity which has substance but more importantly strength.

In many sections of Europeans, there would certainly be an active interest for Islam, and they would be attracted to it for the strength it projects. But all that is really something for Continental Europeans.

As far as British are concerned, they have developed a long tradition of piracy and looting, that their considerations for opting for some religion would be solely based on its usefulness for sucking more wealth from the world, continuing to influence world politics way above their size, and also to walk the Earth without needing to show any sign of remorse to their Hindoos.

Hindoos have a special significance for the British it seem. All other people they enslaved and ruled over, they were convinced of the barbarity of the other and their own superiority. So when they apologize to the others - to the blacks for the slave trade, to the native North Americans or Australian Aborigines for taking away their lands, it is always from the position of retaining their moral high ground for even in apology they do not revise their opinion that the other was more primitive and would continue to remain more primitive than them. The apology only ennobles them. Hindoos are different. We were the civilizational superior race but fell to their machinations. And after they are gone, we would again rise to reclaim our status as the civilizational superior race. So an apology to the Hindoos means a true acknowledgement of their own barbarity.

That is why they have a hard time with Hindoos, and due to their Subcontinental experience, a corresponding soft corner for Islam.

[Chandragupta]

But what happens when the petro dollars run out? Is UQ waiting for this time to usurp power from under the feet or Araps by Islamizing Britain at a time when the Ummah will be looking at a financially dismal future? At that time, if UQ goes under Islam & proclaims itself the leader of the Ummah with the Araps watching helplessly, not only does it immediately puts UQ in control of a billion plus Islamic inbreds but also in control of a large geography & resources and these inbreds will fall at the feet of the white skinned Muslims as they have always done.

[Atri]

I do not think that petro-dollars will run out in next 50-75 years from middle-east and CAR. Malsi will remain relevent, even if arabs fall.

[Lalmohan]

UK as a whole is a fairly god-less society. very few people follow religion actively - but passively the overwhelming majority would describe themselves as xtian. although the state is officially non-secular, in practice it is very secular and in the past few decades has whole heartedly lurched towards 'multi-culturalism'. this lurch is more politically motivated by the left and tries to embrace all of britains minorities. whilst jews, hindus and sikhs have benignly participated in this project (although you could argue that the jewish community is heavily politicised) - the islamists have siezed upon this as a god-sent opportunity to play the 'oil-droplet' game and spread shariah. there is a clear urban/rural divide - with several major urban centres no longer recognizable as 'british' but with heavy south-asian overtones, most prominently of a green hue - becuase that is the hue that pushes itself hardest. there is a great deal of suppressed resentment at the 'greening' of britain by the natives, with very little sympathy for the green cause. the british are brought up to be polite to your face, so they tend to keep quiet. but this is playing into the hands of the islamists.

the problem in holland is perhaps even more acute. france atleast has an active secularisation policy, and the scandies are finding their way. the german's do not yet see it as a problem, but then most of their muslims (turks) are not very active practitioners

[svenkat]

British Queen in her Xmas day speech yesterday referred to Jesus, as the "only son of God". Watch from 5.21 to 5.40.

This was in Dec 2012.

[Klaus]

But what happens when the petro dollars run out? Is UQ waiting for this time to usurp power from under the feet or Araps by Islamizing Britain at a time when the Ummah will be looking at a financially dismal future? At that time, if UQ goes under Islam & proclaims itself the leader of the Ummah with the Araps watching helplessly, not only does it immediately puts UQ in control of a billion plus Islamic inbreds but also in control of a large geography & resources and these inbreds will fall at the feet of the white skinned Muslims as they have always done.

The way I see it is UK & France wish to stay relevant within the UN and within the P5, if they can hold off other genuine contenders (such as India and Japan) in the meantime. The OIC is their calling card to primacy, also the P5 becomes logically irrelevant if 2 out of the 5 constituent nations are self declared Islamic republics (as it might play out in the future).

The challenge exclusive to the UK is whether they manage to keep the Anglo-Saxon shared identity strong and separate from the Islamic, IMO they will be forced to sacrifice one or the other when the time comes around. Of all the races in the world, it is the Brits who place the least value on co-existence. Hence, they will not be able to reconcile to a society with dual identities and values. Heck, they might not even be in a position to decide whether or not they retain both identities, others like America and extant Commonwealth nations might make the choice for them.

[RajeshA]

Books for the Library



Londonistan [Amazon]
By Melanie Phillips
Publication Date: May 02, 2007

Description:
The suicide bombings carried out in London in 2005 by British Muslims revealed an enormous fifth column of Islamist terrorists and their sympathizers. Under the noses of British intelligence, London has become the European hub for the promotion, recruitment and financing of Islamic terror and extremism–so much so that it has been mockingly dubbed “Londonistan.” This updated version of Melanie Phillips’ groundbreaking book pieces together the story of how Londonistan developed as a result of the collapse of traditional English identity and accommodation of a particularly virulent form of multiculturalism. Londonistan has become a country within the country and threatens not only Britain but also its “special relationship” with the U.S.









Even those who consider themselves aware of the danger to their societies still choose to differentiate between Islamism and Islam. Islamism is an intrinsic part of Islam. Just because there are Muslims running restaurants and otherwise being good neighbors does not mean that they are not part of Islamism. They too are part of Islamism, because Islamism is simply a facet of Islam, and all Muslims being property of Islam, are also part of the machinery of Islamism.

However one can of course choose to focus on this facet - Islamism alone! That is possible. But that is like saying someone's arm is responsible for shooting the other person. One cannot put the blame on the person whose arm it was. Islamics don't tire from repeating that Islam is a complete system, encompassing all walks of life, private and political. But often others don't want to hear it, because it makes dealing with them particularly messy.

If non-Muslims think they can create a rift between Muslims in general and Islamists, then that too is fooling oneself, for in one form or another all the Muslims would continue to give sustenance to Islamism.

All this however does not mean that non-Muslims should then start painting all Muslims as some enemy but the whole ideological system of Islam should be kept under close scrutiny and no part of it should be considered as entirely harmless.

[RajeshA]

The UK will be an Islamic state - by Melanie Phillips





The British state are in fact funding Islamic studies which promote anti-Western hate!

[RajeshA]

Melanie Philips, Islam & the left war on the truth in Britain

[RajeshA]

Islamization of Europe. Great Britain under siege.



@~2:37 min interesting moment!

[RajeshA]

'multi-culturalism' - the islamists have seized upon this as a god-sent opportunity to play the 'oil-droplet' game and spread shariah. there is a clear urban/rural divide - with several major urban centres no longer recognizable as 'british' but with heavy south-asian overtones, most prominently of a green hue - because that is the hue that pushes itself hardest. there is a great deal of suppressed resentment at the 'greening' of britain by the natives, with very little sympathy for the green cause. the british are brought up to be polite to your face, so they tend to keep quiet. but this is playing into the hands of the islamists.

Lalmohan ji,

every Western society which has allowed Islam to take root in their countries and allowed to expand are themselves to blame. Whereas Islam came to India through Islamic invasions, nowhere in Western Europe in the colonial period or in the post-colonial period did Islam enter through invasions. It was invited, Muslims were invited, or allowed in through checkpoints which were under the control of Westerners. So West is to blame.

West had the choice to pick and choose whom to allow in. The West voluntarily allowed the Muslims in.

Fine they made a mistake, but the issue is they don't want to accept that they made a mistake, and the system is trying to keep up the pretense through left-liberal political correctness "multi-culturalism" rhetoric.

The mistake was in not understanding the nature of the beast. Any parellel ideological system

1. which is based on world conquest,
2. which enforces conversion or dhimmitude onto the non-believers,
3. which believes in right-hand possessions,
4. which is relatively ideologically shock-proof, and
5. which retains its unique identity and allegiance

should not have been allowed in.

Any of the first three criteria are good enough grounds to reject a system. Nothing wrong with Multiculturalism but it can only be practiced by those who respect the cultures of the others. Any ideological system which completely rejects anything beside itself cannot be called fit to partake in such a project.

This is really the ABC of it, but many European countries wished to ignore it.

[Lalmohan]

i think they believed that islam no longer presented a threat

[RajeshA]

i think they believed that islam no longer presented a threat

Let's say they are wiser now after their experiences. Is the British government or for that matter any European government taking any initiative in correcting the situation? Hardly. Everybody is trying to stretch their necks so that they can hide them deeper into the sand.

Would the elite in any of these countries be willing to allow this, if they cared about what would befall their populations? As the elite are still holding up a pretense of being masters of the situation, the pretense of being able to integrate Islam into their Western societies, it is obvious that they do not care for the population! And if they don't care, what stops them from embracing Islam when they see such a recourse politically and security-wise beneficial.

The whole point is that the elite have accepted the inevitability of Islam taking over Britain and Europe and they are confident that they would be able to adjust to the new situation.

[Pratyush]

RamaY, Its wrong to bring in Hindu motifs when discussing the mlecchas.
Even if the Brits adopt Islam they will still have to bow to Mecca in their East.
And if they adopt shariat, Islamic banking is not far off. And that will end their deriviatives and hedge fund scams and thus the utility of Londonistan as financial Mecca.
SNIP.........

What prevents an Islamised london from acting like Dubai of the western hemisphere?

[RajeshA]

What prevents an Islamised london from acting like Dubai of the western hemisphere?

Dubai boom was financed by what? Oil of course! Is there any manufacturing in Dubai? Is there any agriculture in Dubai? Sure there are services, but the services too are provided by expats mostly. Dubai acted like a trading hub to some extent, because of say trade complexities between India and Pakistan. But that too is nothing to build upon!

When London get islamized further there is going to be war on the streets, and then the whole economy of London would go bust, and people who form the brains would most probably look for the nearest escape pod!

So what would London boast of? It already is the washing machine for the black money!

[RajeshA]

QT: Melanie Phillips lets rip into David Cameron (07Mar13)



Very articulate attack on the left-liberals.

[RajeshA]

Once the power of say the British society breaks to resist Islamic Law, what is there to stop the following form of justice from taking place.

[Lalmohan]

The whole point is that the elite have accepted the inevitability of Islam taking over Britain and Europe and they are confident that they would be able to adjust to the new situation.

that is a very BIG stretch of the imagination

[RajeshA]

In 50 Years Londonistan Will Look Like Islamabad



Couldn't really understand why the cameraman was pointing at a saree shop to make the point of the documentary!

Paul Weston of the British Freedom Party predicts that by 2025-2030 there will be civil unrest, even civil war!

The Native British Are Two Generations Away From Being A Minority In Their Own Lands



The Program of the British Freedom Party - Very succinct!

[RajeshA]

The whole point is that the elite have accepted the inevitability of Islam taking over Britain and Europe and they are confident that they would be able to adjust to the new situation.

that is a very BIG stretch of the imagination

Any outward expression that it is not the case?

Isn't the appeasment going on unstopped? Isn't the Muslim fertility rate among British Muslim women higher than that of the non-Muslim women? Aren't Kufr No-Go Areas coming up in Britain?

Either the elite does something about it or they have reconciled themselves to the inevitability!

However the very tight relationship that exists between the British establishment and the Saudis and Pakis does point to a general acceptance. Would they really do anything to overturn the apple-cart and anger their friends?


The Future of the Global Muslim Population: Projections for 2010-2030: Pew Forum
ANALYSIS January 27, 2011

[RajeshA]

Published on September 22 2012
Dissecting Loonwatch’s ‘10 Myths about Muslims in the West’: Jihad Watch

[akashganga]

In 50 Years Londonistan Will Look Like Islamabad

[Paul Weston of the British Freedom Party predicts that by 2025-2030 there will be civil unrest, even civil war!

The Native British Are Two Generations Away From Being A Minority In Their Own Lands



The Program of the British Freedom Party - Very succinct!

This british guy talks of being a minority in their own land. Wiping out native civilization has been the hallmark of abrahamic faiths. White christians mostly from britain and also from other european countries wiped out civilazation of native americans in north america. Spanish catholics wiped out native civilasations of south america who were descendents of mayas, incas, aztacs, etc. Spanish built catholic churches on the ruins of native american religious sites. Islam wiped out hindu/buddist civilsation of afganistan and now is doing in pakistan/bangladesh, Islam wiped out zoarastrianism from ancient persia. The list goes on and on.

Now one abrahamic faith islam is trying to wipe out another abrahamic faith christianity from britain and may be other parts of europe.

[Atri]

[RamaY]

UK 'now has seven social classes'

The three capitals - Cultural, Social and Economic (Note for our Dhimmi-class: Two/three classes have nothing to with wealth, talent, knowledge and blaah blaa. One can only fathom how much of that Social and Cultural capital is gained by birth.)

Elite - the most privileged group in the UK, distinct from the other six classes through its wealth. This group has the highest levels of all three capitals

Established middle class - the second wealthiest, scoring highly on all three capitals. The largest and most gregarious group, scoring second highest for cultural capital

Technical middle class - a small, distinctive new class group which is prosperous but scores low for social and cultural capital. Distinguished by its social isolation and cultural apathy

New affluent workers - a young class group which is socially and culturally active, with middling levels of economic capital

Traditional working class - scores low on all forms of capital, but is not completely deprived. Its members have reasonably high house values, explained by this group having the oldest average age at 66

Emergent service workers - a new, young, urban group which is relatively poor but has high social and cultural capital {This is the bubbling Islamic social group - Which is using its cultural and social capital to take hostage of economic capital centers}

Precariat, or precarious proletariat - the poorest, most deprived class, scoring low for social and cultural capital

[ramana]

Folks while Youtube might be fun to watch its the text that has the sticky power. So more text sources please.

Pratyush a new convert will always spread the deen. So Londonistan will not be a Doobai. It will be a new Granada. Scotland and Ireland will be the new Castile and Arragon or vice versa.

[RajeshA]

akashganga ji,

what the Westerners-Christianists did in Americas, Africa, Australia, etc. is not really germane to the topic, nor is the aggregation of Christianity and Islam into Abrahamism here a relevant prism.

If Islam wins in Europe, strategically speaking there would be even more pressure on India to buckle. Any new areas that Islam can claim for itself is a region which would support Islamic radicalism in India. So it is not as simple as two dogs having a fight and we can be clap on the sidelines. An Islamic Britain would be especially hostile to India, for both latent hostilities against India - British and Islamic, would combine.

If an Islamic Britain is left to prosper and continue with its military and international political standing even after its Islamization, then its energies would be directed specifically at India. So we have stakes in the developments.

When it looks that Britain is going to go Islamic, others both from the Western Civilization and Bharatiyas and perhaps non-Muslim Brits would have to come together and degrade the infrastructure and the capacity of Britain so that the Islamics do not benefit all too much from it.

[RajeshA]

Published March 2012
By Jerry Gordon
A Future for Britain Free from Islamization: An Interview with British Freedom Party Chairman, Paul Weston: New English Review

[Agnimitra]

Islam is ‘Europe’s reality’, says Turkey’s EU minister

Responding to recent controversial comments by French far right politician Marine Le Pen, Turkey's EU Minister Egemen Bağış said Monday that "Islam is a reality for the European Union" and Europe against "burying their heads in the sand".

“It is Islamophobia rather than Islam that is visible in France and across Europe,” Bağış said, referring to French far-right leader Marine Le Pen’s recent statement that Islam was “more visible” than before in France. “We know Ms. Le Pen’s statements on Turkey and our values but we don’t care too much."

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Carl, There is KSA funded Center for Islamic Studies in Cambridge.