Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 19 Apr 2014 14:00

Nice to see someone from India in English premiere league. Need more guys like him and bhutia.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/18/son-of-pe ... l-4702892/

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 19 Apr 2014 15:05

State schools isolate non-Muslims

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... slims.html

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Apr 2014 13:53

Islamist plot: six Birmingham schools face possible closure
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
Six schools implicated in so-called 'Trojan Horse' plot to 'Islamise' secular state education face Ofsted 'special measures'

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 21 Apr 2014 06:47

This piece of news caught my interest; fascinating story of how a small colonial outpost serves as a means to funnel money into and out of the economy:
Gibraltar fire stops global online betting

The blaze interrupted Gibtelecom services, bringing down worldwide betting services such as Ladbrokes, William Hill and Betfred.

Gibraltar's low taxes have lured 26 major online casinos and gaming operators. The Rock claims that 60 percent of that lucrative online business flows through its territory.

Spain ceded Gibraltar to Britain in perpetuity in 1713 but has long argued that it should be returned to Spanish sovereignty, and the territory remains a source of diplomatic tensions.

Spain's tax office has reportedly set up a working group to analyse tax payments made in Gibraltar, suspecting that Spanish company earnings escape its clutches.

Gibraltar denies such claims.

It abolished in January 2011 its "exempt status tax regime" under which some companies avoided tax and instead introduced a single 10 percent levy.

Relations between London and Madrid became particularly strained last year after Gibraltar dropped 70 concrete blocks into the sea in July, in what its government said was an attempt to create an artificial reef.

The move had the effect of also blocking Spanish fishing boats from operating close to the airport runway, and Madrid responded by introducing stringent border checks.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 21 Apr 2014 18:01

David Cameron accused of fostering division in 'Christian' UK

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 22 Apr 2014 08:15

sudeshna sen rubbing it in, again.

http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.c ... than-india
Is Britain more sexist than India?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 22 Apr 2014 17:01

Poverty has been rebranded as personal failure

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... CMP=twt_gu

The government absolves itself of guilt for the crisis its policies have produced by blaming disabled and poor people for their own difficulties

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 22 Apr 2014 17:49

Cameron’s Description of Britain as ‘Christian Country’ Draws an Angry Response

Prime Minister David Cameron’s effort to describe his own Christian faith at Easter has backfired, with some critics accusing him of fostering “alienation and division” by characterizing Britain as a “Christian country.”

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Apr 2014 14:16

Ca-moron's assertion shows that he has long lost the plot.Britain,where the head of state is also head of church,abdicated its "Christian" character long ago when it allowed indiscriminate immigration especially Islamists.The truth however is that for centuries Britain was and is steeped in Christianity even though currently,the worship of mammon,the almighty $ or Pound,and celebs are the latter-day "Gods" of the heathen throngs of Angl-Saxons who have lost their faith.They couldn't care less what a bugger believes in as long as there's enough in their pockets to buy the latest trainers,threads,sunglasses,enough to quaff their thirst at their favourite watering hole and watch the "footie" !

However,his assertion is a step in the right direction,as if the UK,which is splintering with Scotland on the brink of seceding,will be lost to the Islamists and Londonistan will be the future capital of Britainistan,with petty enclaves like Kosovo,for Romanians,Bulgarians and oles!

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 23 Apr 2014 20:09

anupmisra wrote:Cameron’s Description of Britain as ‘Christian Country’ Draws an Angry Response

Prime Minister David Cameron’s effort to describe his own Christian faith at Easter has backfired, with some critics accusing him of fostering “alienation and division” by characterizing Britain as a “Christian country.”

So we can call him "Christian Nationalist David Cameron".

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 23 Apr 2014 20:25

Britain should learn from India’s family values

As usual look at the comments which are mostly racist to get a peek of the poodle mind

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 23 Apr 2014 20:33

These racist comments will hardly stop, it is like that only in UK. What to do.
Meanwhile, Tony Blair: 'West should focus on radical Islam'. Have a look at comments section - Highest rated comments part.

95. blokeybloke
5 HOURS AGO
After serving in Saudi from 1989 to 1996 I found Islam extremely sinister, but it was their country. What I find today is muslims telling me at work here in UK that many muslims are much more islamic here than where they come from.

108. MiKtheBrit
5 HOURS AGO
This was a few days ago in London, thousands of radical Islamists led by anjem choudry, they're even flying the flags of Al-Qaeda. Nothing is being done to stop the Islamification of this country. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugaSMewDeAE

18. Talbyr
5 HOURS AGO
Blair is the best example of a right wing wolf hiding behind left wing sheeps clothing.

Extremist Islam is only a problem in the UK because we used Al Qaeda as 'The Base' for a covert war against the Soviets, only to then decide to go to war with Al Qaeda and their comrades years later!

Our over-involvement in the middle east for decades has brought terrorism to our shores - cheers Blair!{All this while Hindoos were spat on in UK as heathens/pagans/subjects!}

How much of this is common for India too is worth thinking about.

36. 8589brian
5 HOURS AGO
Blair is the worst British politics had to offer and only started a war along with Bush just so he could align himself that lucrative Middle East envoy job when he knew his job at number 10 was well and truly over and now he is still preaching his scaremongering....Is it any wonder Islam has become a hotbed of terrorist activity when world leaders stir the pot and leave us in danger.

This comment is on the spot according to me and very apt. Actually this happens at MANY levels, not just level of people but also business ownership, trade and worse. UK seems to have messed up big time this way, may be majority of Europeans while being racist against people who couldn't respond to secure interests.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 23 Apr 2014 21:22

rsingh wrote:So we can call him "Christian Nationalist David Cameron".

Why stop at that: "Hardcore Christian Fundamentalist David Ca-MORON" would do some justice.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 23 Apr 2014 21:33

David Cameron's 'Christian Country' Claim Backed By Muslim, Sikh And Hindu Leaders

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04 ... _hp_ref=uk

Anil Bhanot, of the Hindu Council UK, told The Daily Mail he was "grateful" for Christianity’s inclusive attitude towards other religions and pointed out that many British Hindus even celebrated Christian holidays.

"I attend the Commonwealth service at Westminster Abbey each year," he added. "I gave my nieces and family Easter eggs on Saturday. Many Hindus celebrate Christmas, although they do not go to church, because they are living in Britain. As long as religion is not imposed there is no problem."

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 24 Apr 2014 00:18

Article about the British Public and child abuse and wondrous BBC. Read the whole write-up

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n21/andrew-oha ... ertainment

friend of Gamlin’s remembers going to see him in a flat in All Souls Place in the 1950s, just round the corner from Broadcasting House. A man from Light Entertainment used the flat during the working week and Gamlin often stayed there with young boys. It was clear to the friend that both men were renting the boys, and that the boys were young: ‘They were boys with the kind of good looks that would seem very lewd in a woman.’ He also remembers going for a coffee with one of the boys from the flat. ‘The boy was nice,’ he said, ‘very young. He thought he might get a job or something of that sort. And it was clear the men were using him for sex. Broadcasting House was well stocked with men interested in sleeping with young boys. It was a milieu back then. And people who sought to be sexual predators knew that. It wasn’t spoken about.’

ut it is our belief system. And now it is part of the same system to blame Savile. He’s dead, anyway. Let’s blame him for all the things he obviously was, and blame him for a host of other things we don’t understand, such as how we love freaks and how we select and protect people who are ‘eccentric’ in order to feed our need for disorder. We’ll blame him for that too and say we never knew there would be any victims, when, in fact, we depend on there being victims. Savile just wouldn’t have been worth so much to us without his capacity to hurt. He was loved for being so rich and so generous and for loving his mother, the Duchess. And no one said, not out loud: ‘What’s wrong with that man? Why is he going on like that? What is he up to?’ He was an entertainer and that’s thought to be special. A more honest society brings its victims to the Colosseum and cheers. We agreed to find it OK when our most famous comedians were clearly not OK. When Benny Hill’s mother died, in 1976, he kept her house in Southampton as a shrine, just as Savile kept his mother’s clothes, and it might have been weird but it was also the kind of celebrity eccentricity we had come to expect.

Day by day over the past month details have emerged about the shelving of the Newsnight investigation into Savile. Girls from Duncroft children’s home had given evidence: some of them were 14 when Savile began coercing them into giving him blow-jobs. They felt it would be ‘an honour’ to be in the company of someone so famous. He promised them visits to the BBC studios and one of them says she saw Gary Glitter having sex with another girl who was also from Duncroft in a BBC dressing-room. ‘Did Duncroft, a well-equipped approved school for “intelligent emotionally disturbed girls” in leafy Surrey, really require the patronage of “Uncle” Jimmy Savile?’ Dan Davies asks in his unpublished book about Savile:

Many of the 25 or so girls in its care at any one time came from comfortable backgrounds and included the daughters of ambassadors and BBC producers. As a Home Office-approved school, funding came from Social Services. Regular guests at their parties included the actor James Robertson Justice, who was one of Britain’s leading film stars in the 1940s and 1950s and reportedly a close friend of the Duke of Edinburgh. Princesses Marina and Alexandra are said to have attended. Among the former Duncroft girls to have come forward, one has said she was put in the isolation unit for ‘two or three days’ after loudly protesting when Savile groped her in a caravan on the school grounds. ‘For years we tried to report him,’ another confided to me. ‘We even had a mass breakout to Staines police station.

This guy was abusing hospital kids

People can like children in the wrong way. And there no doubt is a wrong way. So when you see Gilbert Harding crying about his impossible self, you may feel very sorry. You may feel, as many people who liked Lionel Gamlin felt, that these were talented people whose paedophilia constituted a difficulty for them as well as for others. This was the milieu – so far unmentioned in all the hoohah – that Jimmy Savile entered when he left Radio Luxembourg. But nobody will feel sorry for him because he was made to the public’s specifications and to the specifications of the tabloid press, which has the skill to carry both the public’s worst fantasies and its deepest shame into print. For forty years people believed Savile was the hero of Stoke Mandeville Hospital and for forty years the red-top papers promoted his image as the nation’s zaniest and most lovable donor. He may have abused two hundred children during that time.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Apr 2014 03:20

Need a Positive News UK thread....

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Apr 2014 11:21

A History of the First World War in 100 moments: A moment of glory on the Western Front for the soldiers of the Raj
The contribution of imperial troops to the Allied war effort is often overlooked. But the Indian Corps made a dazzling debut in the European theatre of war

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... html[quote]
It was the moment when the Western Front burst open.

The previous few months had been largely static. Germany’s frustrated attempt to encircle Paris, the inconclusive race to the sea, the First Battle of Ypres (at which the Germans were barred from seizing Calais but clung to their positions) – all this early, dynamic action had quickly wilted into entrenched attrition. As the winter of 1914-15 closed in, the two sides had hunkered down in the mud to sit it out.

Then, at the end of February 1915, with the first hint of spring, the British-led forces went on the offensive. According to the memoirs of Sir James Willcocks, commander of the Indian troops: “Sir John French” – British commander-in-chief – “had come to the happy decision… to attack the enemy at some selected point… The centre of the objective was to be the village of Neuve Chapelle… It was the good fortune of the Indian Corps to be in this line.”

There was nothing feigned about the Indians’ joy at being ordered to attack. Soon after war was declared, the fighting men of the Raj – Rajputs from Rajasthan, Pathans from the North West Frontier, Gurkhas from Nepal and many more – had been embarked at Bombay and Karachi, bound for Marseilles.

Present too were a clutch of the native princes – the Maharajahs of Jodhpur, Bikaner and Kishengarh – whose loyalty was the bedrock of British rule. And now, after surviving the First Battle of Ypres, then enduring a freezing baptism in the brutal, static nature of modern European warfare, they were finally in action.

It started brilliantly. Painstakingly prepared thanks to maps provided by the Royal Flying Corps, the assault began with an aerial bombardment of railways and German reserves followed by a combined British and Indian artillery assault which destroyed the German barbed wire. Then, at just after 8am on 10 March, sepoys of the Garhwal Brigade, commanded by Brigadier-General Blackader [sic] no less, stormed the German lines, pouring across 200 yards of no-man’s-land and overwhelming the German infantry. Without waiting for the planned softening up by the artillery, they rushed forward and seized Neuve Chapelle village, taking 200 German prisoners and five machine guns.

It was a dazzling demonstration of the Indians’ fighting spirit. As Willcocks, who had spent all his long career in India and spoke several Indian languages, wrote: “The Garhwalis… were being tested for the first time… [They] did splendidly…They suddenly sprang into the very front rank of our best fighting men.”

But this brilliant opening was quickly eclipsed: in their enthusiasm the troops had targeted a section of the German defence which had not been bombarded by artillery, and many of them were killed or wounded as they stormed through. Consolidation required a quick follow-up, but within days the British forces sustained a heavy German counter-attack, while bombardment further back destroyed telephone lines, wrecking co-ordination. The hopes of smashing the winter-long stasis and driving the Germans back where they had come from were shattered. It was, as the French commander concluded bleakly, “un succès sans lendemain” – a victory that went nowhere.

For the Indian troops it was a fresh instalment in their long and painful discovery of what war meant in Europe. Back at home they had been employed to punish tribal rebellions and incursions across the frontier, attacks by fierce but ill-organised men with simple weapons, skirmishes that could only end in one result, given the Raj’s withering firepower.

Nothing could be more different from the Western Front. The nature of the war was terrifyingly alien: they were decimated by grenades, machine-gun fire and high explosives, weapons of which they had no experience. And the chaotic fighting of the war’s early months meant that the units in which they had arrived were quickly broken up; British officers under whom they had served for years and who spoke their languages were killed one by one, leaving them under the command of new officers who knew nothing about them and cared less.

So the first hours of the Battle of Neuve Chapelle were a brilliant dawn – but a false one. News of the successful offensive reached Willcocks, waiting anxiously behind the lines, by telephone. “‘Hurrah!’ I shouted,” he later recorded. This was “the birth of a new life for India… Indians, led by British officers, could drive Germans from their own carefully selected entrenchments… Trusting in the inviolable word of England’s King [they] had inaugurated a new era in the history of Hindustan.”

The euphoria was understandable. But both the war and the history of “Hindustan” were to take very different turns.
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Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Apr 2014 12:17

^^^ but that organisation of the WW1 BIA (army) was massively flawed. indian troops had no leaders of their own - only british officers. on the western front the young officers died at a much higher rate than any other rank since they were expected to lead from the front (for all british and colonial troops). indian troops without their white officers were not trained (thanks to 1857) to take the initiative or make their own decisions - and hence were soon disorganised after intense combat in the mechanised slaughterhouse of the trenches.

this didn't change until WW2 when Indian officers were 'reluctantly allowed' to play a more dominant role - and thereafter the raj lost control over its sword arm and the empire came to an end

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 28 Apr 2014 16:12

Body of British tourist found dumped in plastic bag in India

The body of a murdered Briton wrapped in a plastic bag has been found dumped outside shops in New Delhi.

The 40-year-old man had a British passport in his pocket which police said bore the name Rodick Andrew Reymond. The body was found on Sunday morning at a market in the capital, a Delhi police spokesman said.

"It is a murder. We found the body in a decomposed state," said spokesman Vijay Kumar.

Local newspapers reported that the man, found wrapped in a large blue plastic bag, appeared to have been beaten around the head. He also had burn marks on his face, according to reports, although this could not be confirmed with police.

When police opened the bag they found the Mr Reymond's hands and feet were tied and a catalogue of injuries - including what appeared to be cigarette burns - to his arms, head and face.

Police said Reymond appeared to have died of head injuries. 'It appears that he was hit in the head with a heavy and blunt object,' a police source told The Indian Express.

'His body was then stuffed into the plastic bag. It also appears that he was stubbed by a cigarette or his skin burnt with a lighter. Nothing is, however, clear as the post-mortem report is not out. The exact cause and time of death will be clear once the report is out.'

"Other details will be known after the autopsy report," an investigating officer from Nizamuddin police station said.

He appeared to have been staying a guesthouse nearby.

Police were trying to determine whether his badly damaged passport was genuine, the Hindustan Times said. The passport showed he had arrived in India two months ago on a tourist visa, the Times of India said.

The crowded Nizamuddin area where the body was found is home to a Sufi shrine popular with tourists.
Some 20.7 million foreign nationals visited India during 2012, according to the latest figures from the ministry of tourism, with New Delhi high on the itinerary.

The safety of tourists in India was highlighted in January, after rape cases involving German and Danish tourists and a Polish woman living in the country.

I wonder what he was upto to get this treatment. He has been here for 2 months, so he definitely knows the way around!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Apr 2014 16:26

don't want to speculate but many gora backpackers join drug smugglers to supplement their income. the description sounds like someone had a grudge against the man.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 30 Apr 2014 19:27

Giving money to Pakistan won't make Britain safer

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/robcr ... ain-safer/

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 30 Apr 2014 22:37

Jiziya

Rajagopal · Post by **Rajagopal** » 01 May 2014 01:40

Subway removes ham and bacon from nearly 200 stores and offers halal meat after 'strong demand' from Muslims

It was only a matter of time before UK went the Islamist way.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z30P9OYREr

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 May 2014 15:47

900,000 crimes, including rape, not pursued by police in 2013

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 08296.html

Nearly a million criminal offences including rape have gone unrecorded by police in a single year, according to a damning report that could see the 20-year decline in recorded crime reversed when accurate statistics are calculated.

Inspectors said they suspected “discreditable and unethical” behaviour by some officers and said they had discovered 14 reported rapes that were wrongly categorised in a study of 13 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales.

They included the case of a 13-year-old boy with autism who complained of an attack by a 15-year-old friend but the case was written off as “sexual experimentation” because of the negative effect it might have on the victim.

In another case, an officer failed to record a case of rape because it involved too much work and it was believed would not lead to a prosecution, according to a report by the Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC). In other cases, police gave cautions to people whose past records meant they should have been prosecuted.

The study follows the intervention by a whistleblower and a series of scandals over recorded police crime rates that have shown dramatic reductions over the past 20 years. PC James Patrick told a parliamentary committee last year that massaging figures was an “ingrained part of policing culture”. A subsequent report by MPs suggested that a “target junkie” culture was in part to blame for tampering with crime statistics.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 03 May 2014 09:26

It's on the precipice.Christianity no longer the nation's religion,Brit Muslim mercenaries fighting in global hotspots allegedly committing atrocities,UK schools being infiltrated by Islamists...the list goes on and on. in India.Thanks to vote-bank politics,the "white" parties indulge in the same pseudo-secularism displayed by the venal Congress .

British citizen in Syria ‘war crime’ as video of prisoner shooting appears
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 19078.html

A British citizen fighting in Syria is believed to have committed a war crime by taking part in the execution of a prisoner.
A video that has been made public shows a rebel fighter, thought to be from London, firing a weapon repeatedly into a man who has his hands bound. A note that accompanies the video – which was uploaded to the photo and video sharing service Instagram – says the victim is “one of Bashar’s dogs”, a reference to supporters of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. It adds that the man admitted to killing four people and raping a woman.

The chilling footage is likely to reinforce the fears of UK security services that British citizens fighting in Syria pose a serious threat if they ever return, due to the likelihood that they will have been radicalised by the war.

The clip was uploaded by an account linked to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) –the most extremist rebel group in Syria. It is thought the incident took place within the last two weeks near the Isis stronghold of Raqqa, in northern Syria. After a fellow rebel shoots the prisoner in the head, the man believed to be the British citizen fires several shots into the prisoner’s body. The murder or ill treatment of prisoners is considered a violation of the Geneva Convention, which defines war crimes.

Researchers at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation (ICSR), which monitors the activity of British fighters in Syria, identified the gunman as the same person who appeared in previous videos calling on fellow British Muslims to join the fight in Syria. The man goes by the name “Abu Abdullah” and speaks with a thick London accent.

“We don’t know if the prisoner was alive or dead when he fired, but he did partake in the execution, he did fire shots at the individual from his weapon, and we believe he is a British citizen,” said ICSR researcher Joseph Carter. Mr Carter said the man who appears in the execution video “is of the same stature and has the same balaclava and watch” as the British man who appeared in other videos.

In a recent video, Abu Abdullah gave a tour of the home he shares with fellow fighters. “It’s not the five-star that people are saying,” he adds. “This boiler doesn’t work. We only use cold water,” he says to the camera.

The Instagram account that uploaded the video belongs to a group calling itself Rayat al Tawheed (Banner of God), which claims to be the English-language media arm of Isis. “This is an organisation specifically aimed at people in the West. They say openly that they are aimed at English-speaking Muslims to convince them to come out and join them,” he added.

The British fighter who was identified is affiliated with the Isis jihadists The British fighter who was identified is affiliated with the Isis jihadists (Sky News)
Although it is impossible to confirm the identity of the fighter, if the ICSR is correct, the footage represents the first time since the Syrian civil war began that a British citizen has been filmed committing war crimes in the country. Because of the extremist nature of the groups that foreign jihadists tend to gravitate towards, there have been suspicions that they may have been involved in such killings in the past, but no strong evidence has yet emerged.

“We’ve seen pictures in the past that indicated involvement in beheadings. On one occasion we are able to put it to a fighter and he denied it,” says Shiraz Maher, a senior fellow at ICSR. But experts agree that British fighters are likely to have been involved in similar crimes since the war began.

“Brits out there are there to contribute in the fullest sense. We have already seen a British suicide bomber. Foreign fighters are not there to take back seat. They are full participants in this war, which is a particularly gruesome and bloody war,” he adds.

The total number of British participants in the conflict is estimated to be in the hundreds, with as many as 20 thought to have died in the fighting. Charles Farr, the Home Office’s terror chief, warned recently that Britons travelling to Syria represented “the biggest challenge” to the security services since the 2001 Twin Tower attacks in New York. The British government has been struggling to find ways to deter young radicals from the UK travelling to Syria to fight. Last week it launched a campaign urging the families of young men planning to travel to Syria to intervene and stop them.

As jihadist groups have come under greater pressure from other rebels, many foreign fighters have fled Syria and returned to their country of origin. Security officials have said around 250 British “extremist tourists” have returned home, and are now suspected of wanting to carry out attacks here. Scotland Yard revealed Syria-related terrorism arrests are soaring with 16 so far this year, compared with 24 in 2013.

A Government spokesman said: “This demonstrates why we have consistently called for the situation in Syria to be referred to the International Criminal Court.

“Whether this barbaric act is specifically a war crime is for a court to decide. Horrific atrocities have been committed by both the Assad regime and by extremists. The international community must ensure that all those responsible are held to account.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
Islamist plot to infiltrate schools 'widespread across UK', heads warn
Head teachers concerned over alleged Islamist plot to infiltrate Birmingham schools as Ofsted investigates three more primaries

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 03 May 2014 16:22

British aid money invested in gated communities and shopping centres

http://www.theguardian.com/global-devel ... dc-poverty

Millions of pounds of British aid money to tackle poverty overseas has been invested in builders of gated communities, shopping centres and luxury property in poor countries, the Guardian can reveal.

CDC, the little-known investment arm of the British aid programme, has invested more than $260m (£154m) in 44 property and construction companies in Latin America, Africa and Asia.

...
In India, one CDC-backed business has developed what it describes as "South Asia's first truly international luxury apartment project", home to "a Forbes billionaire, prominent entrepreneurs, CEOs, directors and chairmen".

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 06 May 2014 17:21

Doctors from India more likely to be struck off

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... k-off.html

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 06 May 2014 19:18

Thats true. My predecessor whose practice i took over, if he was a brown man he would have been struck off long before her retired.

Another angle is - the regulatory bodies say the english language skills of overseas doctors is poor. I would say the strong Scottish accent or the scouse accent or the accent of cornish people is so darn difficult to understand too.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 08 May 2014 00:22

true story. On an Air India flight Lond-Bombay a couple of decades back. It was usually the case at that time that time that as soon as the seat belt sign is off people can move off to the back section (flights were only 65% most times and 747 is a big craft) and start talking to each other socialize while sipping a cocktail or smoking - like a little pub in the air. So I was talking to two "British" men - one said he is going to Bombay and onto Delhi and his plans in India and the other said he is going to Madras and then went on explaining - I think - what he is going to in India. In ten minutes of his uninterrupted monologue I could understand may be a dozen words. I asked him "bhat language is that? Sounds a little like Iniglipeece but I do not understand the gist of what you are saying". He says something and I coulds not understand. Then his companion pipes up and says "He is from Edinburgh". I pacified him a little by raising a toast to Sir Walter Scott, Robert Louis Stevenson, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Sir Connery the best Bond ever.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 08 May 2014 08:02

ha! ha! yep... I was so surprised on my first trip to UK and could not understand what they were saying. American was much easier..of course Inglish is the best

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 May 2014 09:31

matrimc wrote:true story. On an Air India flight Lond-Bombay a couple of decades back. It was usually the case at that time that time that as soon as the seat belt sign is off people can move off to the back section (flights were only 65% most times and 747 is a big craft) and start talking to each other socialize while sipping a cocktail or smoking - like a little pub in the air. So I was talking to two "British" men - one said he is going to Bombay and onto Delhi and his plans in India and the other said he is going to Madras and then went on explaining - I think - what he is going to in India. In ten minutes of his uninterrupted monologue I could understand may be a dozen words. I asked him "bhat language is that? Sounds a little like Iniglipeece but I do not understand the gist of what you are saying". He says something and I coulds not understand. Then his companion pipes up and says "He is from Edinburgh". I pacified him a little by raising a toast to Sir Walter Scott, Robert Louis Stevenson, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Sir Connery the best Bond ever.

The English laugh at, but accept each others accents - and each is pretty difficult to understand for the uninitiated. There is Cockney in London, Scouse (Liverpool), Yorkshire accent, a Lancastrian accent around the Manchester area apart from Welsh, Scottish and Irish accents. To list a few.

Somehow we Indians got fooled into thinking that the English spoken on BBC radio was the English that angrez spoke - and desperately tried to emulate that and laughed at Indians who were unable to get there. But then again we always get fooled by psy ops that show the way things are not. In the UK I was told that BBC TV programs start dead on time - based on the fact that an analog clock would display the time a few seconds before 6 PM and the second hand would move up to 6 O'clock and the news would start exactly on the dot. But nothing else ever started on the dot.

I have now moved away in the opposite direction - apart from accepting Indian accents, spellings and neologisms, I believe it is necessary to pronounce French as Indians do - with Eau de cologne as "yoo di colgone, faux pau as fox pass, and sil vous plait as sil vooz plate.

Here's a kid who does 24 accents - the UK one's are good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 09 May 2014 13:35

India claims 'bias' as Delhi named world's most polluted city
World Health Organisation finding that Delhi has the world's worst air pollution is misleading, says Indian government

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -city.html

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 12 May 2014 00:10

RALLY AGAINST HINDU OPPRESSION OF MUSLIMS IN INDIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 6668#t=355

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 12 May 2014 00:59

Haresh wrote:India claims 'bias' as Delhi named world's most polluted city
World Health Organisation finding that Delhi has the world's worst air pollution is misleading, says Indian government

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -city.html

Polluted it is, but isnt the high measure of PM2 due to the dust blowing from Thar Desert during the dry seasons? as Delhi lies at the door step of eastward creeping Thar .

BTW this PM2 as a measure of pollution is a dubious supplant to a composite measure of actual man made pollutants like NOx, SOx,O3,hydrocarbons,heavymetals etc circulating in air(either by themselves or attached to dust).

Similar is the case of Beijing between Mongolia and Hwang ho basin(having layers and layers of Yellowdust).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Dust

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 12 May 2014 10:09

Heard from my friends that in UKstan they do not permit non-whites to enter state archives, but here is a chilling account of our own leaders apathy

Story of 500 unarmed soldiers killed by a Brit named cooper in Punjab and one man's zeal to bring out the truth

http://www.sanskritimagazine.com/newswo ... lled-1857/

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 12 May 2014 17:06

Murugan wrote:Heard from my friends that in UKstan they do not permit non-whites to enter state archives

I have never heard of that.
They have plenty of non-white staff at Kew where the National Archives are located.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 May 2014 18:13

However the main point is:
http://www.sanskritimagazine.com/newswo ... lled-1857/

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 May 2014 01:26

Haresh wrote:
Murugan wrote:Heard from my friends that in UKstan they do not permit non-whites to enter state archives
I have never heard of that.
They have plenty of non-white staff at Kew where the National Archives are located.

I think Kaushal Guru was removed, stopped from studying few papers regarding the Brit colonization of India.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 13 May 2014 18:40

http://girmitunited.org/girmit/?page_id=893

Historic Girmit Day marked with tears: Stolen history restored – By Thakur Ranjit Singh

Women were forced to work on farms just days after birth and they had to leave their crying babies at the fringes of farms, not allowed to feed them….Most suicides were by hanging, committed in early mornings. When the feet touched ground because the rope was too long, the victims folded their feet- so great was the desire to die and escape from a barbarous and inhumane system of girmit-the indenture.

That is the stolen history of girmit, the indenture system that was told by Rajendra Prasad, author of “Tears in Paradise -Suffering and Struggles of Indians in Fiji 1879-2004.” People in audience could be seen wiping their eyes. Indeed it was a tearful day to remember those who suffered to make sure the new generations never went through the same sufferings. The occasion was the first Girmit Remembrance Day at Mt Albert in Auckland, organised by Waitakere Indian Association Senior Citizens group on 20 May, 2012.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 13 May 2014 20:36

Jarita,

Thanks for that it was very interesting.
My Grandfather was a labourer in Fiji and my wifes family are five generations removed from their Indian roots. They totally lost contact with India and all things Indian when they went to Fiji. I think they are from the Bihar region.

My side of the family via my grand father and father kept our connections with India. I know exactly where we are from in Punjab. My father & mother were born in Punjab.

Quite a few years ago in 1995 I met some Fijian Indians in Vancouver who my father knew from his years there. They have all prospered and done well.

A sad saga but most of them did well in the end.