Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 08 Dec 2014 06:32

Sure but the real story is:

When Miss Parker asked the judge to clarify his comments, he added: ‘With a name like Patel, and her ethnic background, she won’t be working anywhere important where she can’t get the time off. So that’s what we’ll do.’
At this point Miss Parker withdrew from the case at Preston Magistrates’ Court and told the judge: ‘I am professionally embarrassed. I cannot prosecute this case.’

Jolly good show and all. The UK should be proud to have prosecutors of such integrity.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 08 Dec 2014 09:36

sanjaykumar wrote:Jolly good show and all. The UK should be proud to have prosecutors of such integrity.

The comments on the article are a joy to read as well.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 08 Dec 2014 16:00

Few people like the lady prosecutors, seem to have acquired a sense of fairness, for her own role of prosecution at least, from society built on wealth looted for hundreds of years.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Dec 2014 14:11

CIA torture report: So when will Britain come clean about its role?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 13756.html

Geoffrey Robertson
Tuesday 9 December 2014

These shocking findings conclusively show that torture is not only morally wrong – it doesn’t get results either

most remarkable thing about the US Senate Intelligence Committee Report is that it was published at all – a reproach incidentally, to the secrecy in which British politicians swathe MI6. Two of the Report’s findings will make a permanent contribution to anti-terror discourse: the fact that torture never produces crucial intelligence and the fact that intelligence agencies lie bare-facedly to their media acolytes, to the public and even on oath.

There is, of course, disappointment that most of the Report has been redacted – including details of British connivance and participation in the CIA torture programme. There is regret that President Obama has declined to prosecute those lawyers and operatives who broke the law during the Bush years. But his determination to at least to have US brutality exposed and renounced will be a defining legacy of his presidency.

Many of the torture techniques we know from revelations during his first term – the water-boarding, the euphemisms: “exploiting individual phobias” means setting Alsatians to sniff the genitals of suspects; “adjusting temperature” means subjecting them to sub-zero freezing; “dietary manipulation” means temporary starvation and so on. Now the Report informs us that these techniques were often “far more brutal” than hitherto admitted. For example, “stress positions” could mean hanging a suspect in shackles for 180 hours. They were designed to cause physical and mental harm and the White House’s lickspittle lawyers twisted the law so that their clients could be told what they wanted to hear, i.e. that this was not torture, merely “degrading treatment”. Regrettably, these lawyers will not be prosecuted, as they should be, for aiding and abetting torture. Morally, the buck stops with Bush and Rumsfeld, although the only verdict they will face is that of history. The Senate Report makes a “guilty” verdict even more likely.

The great importance of the Report is to refute the claim, made or believed by every torturer, that brutality “gets results”. The Report states authoritatively that at no time did “coercive interrogation techniques” help to expose imminent threats or achieve successes and that the CIA has incorrigibly lied about this (and is still lying, to judge from its reaction to the Report).

These findings hit the torture lobby where it hurts. No longer can it trot out the unreal “ticking time bomb” hypothetical – fanatics who know where the bomb is hidden stay silent because they welcome death as martyrdom, whilst those who are pain-wracked supply false information which distracts the police while time ticks away. Interrogators always do better by offering money, or freedom – one of the most important leads to Bin Laden was elicited by offering a cup of tea.

Read more:
• The CIA’s real failure? It pursued the wrong targets
• A victory for moral outrage and a blow for US democracy

The exposure of how spooks regularly lie also repays study: where the CIA leads, MI6 usually follows, although political cowardice in Britain generally allows our intelligence services to stay silent. Certainly, among the 5,500 unpublished pages in this Report, will be found details of MI6 collaboration in CIA torture. They are unpublished because the British government has invoked a protocol that allies must not spill each other’s secrets. Mr Cameron, if he shares the gumption and integrity displayed by President Obama, should call for these redacted passages and publish them. Britain, too, should publicly reject conduct up with which we should not put.

Geoffrey Robertson QC is author of “Crimes Against Humanity: The Struggle For Global Justice” (Penguin)

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 17 Dec 2014 00:53

British navy apprehends 10 more Indian fishermen

Ten more deep sea fishermen from Tamil Nadu and Kerala were apparently apprehended by the British navy near Diego Garcia in the British Indian Ocean Territory, but officials were yet to confirm the report.

Tension gripped Thoothoor in the Kanyakumari district of Tamil Nadu after some of the 14 fishermen who were apprehended by the British navy on December 3 called up their relatives to inform that one more fishing boat had been detained by British navy.

The boat sailed from the Vizhinjam harbour in Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala, on December 2.

British scumbags are arresting innocent fisherman from their occupied territory. Our media is silent on this, or hiding it from their main pages.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 17 Dec 2014 01:18

Brishits have a navy?

I thought they were completely relying on their big brother to take care of them.

In any case, it would be really appalling if these guys were caught doing what they were doing in our own backyard. There is no excuse and need for the illegal Brishit occupation of those islands.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 17 Dec 2014 03:08

Hmm, so the Brits arrest Indian fishermen in the Indian ocean.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Dec 2014 17:28

Mass eviction of Chagossians from the Chagos Archipelago.

In 1965, as part of a deal to grant Mauritian independence, the Chagos Archipelago was split off from the Colony and came to form the British Indian Ocean Territory. The territory's new constitution was set out in a statutory instrument imposed unilaterally without any referendum or consultation with the Chagossians and it envisaged no democratic institutions. On April 16, 1971, The United Kingdom issued a policy called BIOT Immigration Ordinance #1 which made it a criminal offense for those without military clearance to be on the islands without a permit.[2]

Between 1967 and 1973, the Chagossians, then numbering some 2,000 people, were expelled by the British government, first to the island of Peros Banhos, 100 miles (160 km) away from their homeland, and then, in 1973, to Mauritius (For the relationship between the Chagos Archipelago and Mauritius, see Chagos Archipelago). A number of Chagossians who were evicted reported they were threatened with being shot or bombed if they did not leave the island.[2] One old man reported to Washington Post journalist David Ottaway that an American official told him, "If you don't leave you won't be fed any longer."[2] BIOT commissioner Bruce Greatbatch later ordered all dogs on the island killed. Marcel Moulinie, who was in charge of managing the island, carried out this task by using raw meat to lure them into a shed for drying copra, gassing them with exhaust from U.S. military vehicles, and then setting their carcasses ablaze. Meanwhile, food stores on the island were allowed to deplete in order to pressure the remaining inhabitants to leave.[2] The forced expulsion and dispossession of the Chagossians was for the purpose of establishing a United States air and naval base on Diego Garcia, with a population of between 3,000 to 5,000 U.S. soldiers and support staff, as well as a few troops from the United Kingdom

Natives taught lessons on democracy?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 18 Dec 2014 08:47

UK Envoy in Nepal Under Fire for Advocating Right to Conversion
SHIRISH B PRADHAN

British Ambassador to Nepal has asked the lawmakers to draft a constitution that would ensure the right of the citizens to conversion, drawing flak from the country's pro-Hindu party who called his remarks a blatant violation of diplomatic norms.

Andy Sparkes, UK's ambassador to Nepal, in an open letter to lawmakers published in a national daily recently had, among other things, asked them "to ensure that the right to change religion is protected" in the new statute.

The government has decided to seek clarifications from Sparkes and caution him against making such 'unwarranted suggestions'.

Minister for Foreign Affairs Mahendra Bahadur Pandey said the government will first seek clarifications from Sparkes to learn in detail about his controversial remarks.

"We are clear about what should be the provision about religion in our statute. Any suggestion to us on this issue at this juncture of the constitution writing process is unwarranted," Pandey was quoted as saying by My Republica.

President of Nepal's pro-Hindu Rastriya Prajatantra Party Kamal Thapa and lawmakers met Prime Minister Sushil Koirala and raised serious objection to Sparkes's remarks.

"The UK ambassador should be alerted for speaking such an irresponsible thing, which is an interference in our internal matters," Thapa told Koirala.

Thapa said that 80 per cent Nepalese are followers of Hinduism and making such remarks is a blatant violation of diplomatic norms.

The RPP Nepal and a section of ruling Nepali Congress leaders are demanding to re-convert Nepal into a Hindu state.

Although Nepal, a former Hindu Kingdom, was declared secular with the abolition of monarchy in 2008 after the popular movement, religion conversion is still considered punishable by Nepalese law.

Meanwhile clarifying the matter the UK Embassy, said in a statement that "it is the members of the Constituent Assembly and Nepal's citizens to decide what kind of constitution Nepal should have."

"Some have misunderstood the letter's reference to protecting an individual's right to change religion, which is simply a reference to a fundamental individual right, set out in Article 18 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights," Sparkes said.

"It was not a reference to supporting forced conversion or proselytising. Nor was the embassy or its officials preaching or imposing any religious points of view on Nepal's democratically elected representative," the statement said.

"The matter about secularism is a matter of Nepal's people and their elected representatives to decide," it said.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 18 Dec 2014 16:29

UK oil industry 'close to collapse' as prices slide below $60 per barrel

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 19 Dec 2014 00:00

Any updates on the captured fishermen? I didn't see any response from GoI on this.

The reason I ask is, deep sea fishing is one of the options to resolve the fishing issues near SL, and general decimation of fisheries near the coasts due to uncontrolled trawling. But such incidents will not give much confidence to fisherfolk if they are induced to take up deep sea fishing in larger numbers. This needs to be addressed without delay.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Dec 2014 03:05

Ch()()thchill the mass murderer (Interview with the writer of "Churchill's Secret War") :

BTW the last 10 minutes is something that we discussed on and on about WU.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 22 Dec 2014 10:03

rgsrini wrote:British navy apprehends 10 more Indian fishermen

Ten more deep sea fishermen from Tamil Nadu and Kerala were apparently apprehended by the British navy near Diego Garcia in the British Indian Ocean Territory, but officials were yet to confirm the report.

Tension gripped Thoothoor in the Kanyakumari district of Tamil Nadu after some of the 14 fishermen who were apprehended by the British navy on December 3 called up their relatives to inform that one more fishing boat had been detained by British navy.

The boat sailed from the Vizhinjam harbour in Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala, on December 2.
British scumbags are arresting innocent fisherman from their occupied territory. Our media is silent on this, or hiding it from their main pages.

DG is essentially a U.S. military base; PM Modi should raise it with President Obama.

Is this speck in the Indian Ocean Britain's Guantanamo?

In 2016, the 50-year lease on Diego Garcia — which the U.S acquired in return for a $13 million discount on the Polaris nuclear missile system they sold to Britain — is due to expire.

But the deal allows for a two-year window, during which the two countries can either agree to renegotiate the lease for a further 20 years or end it, and this month marks the start of that period. The Tories are reportedly keen for the Americans to stay.

Labour have not stated their position, though certainly David Miliband, during his time at the Foreign Office, seems to have been very keen to make sure the evicted islanders never return, for he turned the archipelago into a huge marine conservation area, the size of France. This bans any commercial fishing, removing a key source of income for them.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 22 Dec 2014 10:59

Is this the same David Miliband who came to Bharat and slept in a Dalit home to show his concern? Hosting nuclear forces is not a threat to environment but fishing with trawlers is. Under the guise of "law", UK openly flouts human rights, and nary a squeak from anyone.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 22 Dec 2014 11:41

^^^^
Very same millipede.

http://lwtc247.files.wordpress.com/2009 ... banana.jpg

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 22 Dec 2014 11:44

arshyam wrote:Any updates on the captured fishermen? I didn't see any response from GoI on this.

The reason I ask is, deep sea fishing is one of the options to resolve the fishing issues near SL, and general decimation of fisheries near the coasts due to uncontrolled trawling. But such incidents will not give much confidence to fisherfolk if they are induced to take up deep sea fishing in larger numbers. This needs to be addressed without delay.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 576039.cms

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Dec 2014 12:47

Hmmm. Wonder if any non-armchair jernail (unlike me), would organize a sail to diego-garcia "satyagraha" to raise awareness

. This is the perfect time to shove an ungly up the arse of the Brishits.

Collect a few jobless descendents of the Islanders, send them sailing along with cameras, news media etc. Ofcourse, needs to be backed by a strong media with a spine, (maybe AlJazeera).

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 22 Dec 2014 16:10

The Independent ‏@Independent 7m7 minutes ago

Three MPs and three peers named in paedophile dossier handed to Scotland Yard http://ind.pn/1JHLmV1

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 22 Dec 2014 19:39

Gerard wrote:UK oil industry 'close to collapse' as prices slide below $60 per barrel

FT:

Oil rout would have wrecked an independent Scotland’s finances

Oil rout would have wrecked an independent Scotland’s finances

Scotland’s North Sea revenues would have slumped to one fifth of Holyrood’s preferred forecasts in its first year of independence if Scots had voted Yes in September, according to an Office for Budget Responsibility simulation using current oil prices.

The OBR projections, which take into account a dramatically lower oil price than the one used in Scottish government forecasts, highlight how the nation could have been saved from a crisis in its public finances by voting No in the referendum.

Had Scotland voted Yes to independence, it would now be looking at oil revenues of £1.25bn instead of £6.9bn in 2016-17 — its first year as a new country — while facing a deficit of close to 6 per cent of national income, compared with a UK forecast of 2.1 per cent.

Paul Johnson, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, said the OBR scenario highlighted “the uncertainty and volatility of oil prices . . . and their impact on Scotland, which is far more dependent on oil revenues than the rest of the UK”.

North Sea revenues are already falling to negligible levels, after Brent crude oil prices plunged from $97 a barrel on the day of the independence referendum to $61 last week. Meanwhile, delays to east coast investment projects are forcing the government to consider cutting taxes further in an attempt to stem the slide in new exploration.

The oil price collapse is partly blamed on higher shale oil supply from the US and Opec output that has exceeded estimates. Ali al-Naimi, Saudi Arabia’s oil minister, has said the $60-a-barrel mark is “temporary”, while other ministers have said it will be months before prices stabilise.

Professor Alexander Kemp of the University of Aberdeen said an oil price below $70 a barrel in the longer term would damage prospects for future Scottish oil extraction. He forecast the lower price would mean the number of probable new oilfields over the next 35 years would more than halve from 188 to 85. “Clearly, tax revenues will come right down,” he added.

The OBR published the simulation of oil revenues in July on different price forecasts. The most pessimistic scenario assumed crude prices higher than those today with $77 a barrel in 2015-16, but following a path similar to the current oil futures prices with a $75-a-barrel price in 2018-19.

Under this scenario, even taking into account lower investment in the North Sea, the OBR forecast that between 2014-15 and 2018-19, revenues broadly applicable to Scotland — 90 per cent of the total — would reach £8bn. That figure is less than a quarter of the Scottish government’s preferred forecast of £34bn for the revenues it believed it could expect over the same period based on what it thought was a cautious estimate that oil prices remained at $110 a barrel, encouraging stronger output.

It is half the Holyrood government’s most pessimistic scenario of £15.8bn, which was based on the oil price drifting down to $99 with lower output.

The Scottish government’s rule of thumb is that every £1bn lost to the exchequer in oil revenues accounts for additional public borrowing of 0.6 per cent of Scottish national income. It suggests that with a UK forecast for borrowing in 2016-17 of 2.1 per cent of gross domestic product, a newly independent Scotland would have faced borrowing close to 6 per cent of national income at current oil prices, due to the higher public spending per head that people in Scotland receive.

Angus Armstrong, of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, said that in these circumstances, a newly independent country would struggle to issue debt in capital markets. “The volatility absolutely kills you. Having to raise an additional £5bn of debt just because the oil price drops in the past five months would have been very serious.

“It is very hard to see how Scotland could have raised those levels of debts in year one of independence,” he added.

Instead of the burden of lower oil revenues falling largely on Scotland, the continuation of the union ensures that those in England, Wales and Northern Ireland provide insurance, he said.

In the longer term, OBR simulations suggest that for the UK as a whole, a falling oil price should benefit the public finances since the additional growth in spending that it is likely to encourage will generate more tax revenues than those lost from North Sea revenues.

Additional reporting by Anjli Raval

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 23 Dec 2014 20:24

The Independent ‏@Independent 13m13 minutes ago

Tory MP's half-brother jailed over 'prolific' child sex abuse http://ind.pn/1GTLPkr

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 24 Dec 2014 00:09

eklavya wrote:
Gerard wrote:UK oil industry 'close to collapse' as prices slide below $60 per barrel
FT:
Oil rout would have wrecked an independent Scotland’s finances

The article is either poorly researched, or deliberately dishonest. Since it's FT, the latter is more likely. It presumes that an independent Scotland would have earned revenues denominated in the Pound or Euro at current exchange rates. In reality, the R-UK was unwilling to let Occupied Scotland use the Pound, and demanded they have their own currency. Monetary independence means that they would have been able to devalue the currency to match the oil price changes, balancing their budget and providing them additional export competitiveness.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 24 Dec 2014 00:50

eklavya wrote:
arshyam wrote:Any updates on the captured fishermen? I didn't see any response from GoI on this.

The reason I ask is, deep sea fishing is one of the options to resolve the fishing issues near SL, and general decimation of fisheries near the coasts due to uncontrolled trawling. But such incidents will not give much confidence to fisherfolk if they are induced to take up deep sea fishing in larger numbers. This needs to be addressed without delay.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 576039.cms

Thank you eklavya-ji. Hope we get to a point sooner than later, where foreign navies think twice before arresting any of our fisherfolk, especially near the Chagos.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 24 Dec 2014 08:42

arshyam, if Indian fishermen fish in the territorial waters / EEZ of other countries, I expect they will get arrested. If we dispute the extent of another country's territorial waters / EEZ, there are mechanisms for addressing that e.g.UNCLOS, which India has signed and ratified. If we wish to dispute British sovereignty over the Chagos (as Mauritius does), it is a separate matter, but I am not aware of India making a claim over the Chagos Archipelago.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 24 Dec 2014 08:56

Suraj wrote: The article is either poorly researched, or deliberately dishonest. Since it's FT, the latter is more likely. It presumes that an independent Scotland would have earned revenues denominated in the Pound or Euro at current exchange rates. In reality, the R-UK was unwilling to let Occupied Scotland use the Pound, and demanded they have their own currency. Monetary independence means that they would have been able to devalue the currency to match the oil price changes, balancing their budget and providing them additional export competitiveness.

Good point, an 80% devaluation would have done the trick.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 24 Dec 2014 09:35

The Herald: Black hole that puts SNP's spending plans at risk

The Guardian: Oil price fall poses challenge for North Sea industry – and Scottish nationalists

The Scotsman: Oil price crash sees SNP accused of deceit

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Dec 2014 16:45

eklavya wrote:arshyam, if Indian fishermen fish in the territorial waters / EEZ of other countries, I expect they will get arrested. If we dispute the extent of another country's territorial waters / EEZ, there are mechanisms for addressing that e.g.UNCLOS, which India has signed and ratified. If we wish to dispute British sovereignty over the Chagos (as Mauritius does), it is a separate matter, but I am not aware of India making a claim over the Chagos Archipelago.

Video on issue

deWalker · Post by **deWalker** » 26 Dec 2014 04:34

eklavya wrote:
Suraj wrote: The article is either poorly researched, or deliberately dishonest. Since it's FT, the latter is more likely. It presumes that an independent Scotland would have earned revenues denominated in the Pound or Euro at current exchange rates. In reality, the R-UK was unwilling to let Occupied Scotland use the Pound, and demanded they have their own currency. Monetary independence means that they would have been able to devalue the currency to match the oil price changes, balancing their budget and providing them additional export competitiveness.
Good point, an 80% devaluation would have done the trick.

Yeah, I don't understand Suraj's point either, would be good if there is a clarification on how his proposal would work. If it were that easy to manage the falling price of oil, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and others wouldn't be looking at near term disaster and longer term pain...sovereign currency devaluation helps with locally denominated debts - a doubtful proposition for a new state - but will certainly impoverish your own citizens.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 28 Dec 2014 06:04

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... or-britain

An off the cuff calculation suggests several thousand pounds each year for each inhabitant. In protestantland or catholicsburg -- a) are there sufficient prostitutes and drugs to go around? b) they cost how much!?! and c) where do they find the time to consume tens of pounds sterling worth of prositutes and drugs every day, is it like a lunch time thing, or like the gym?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 28 Dec 2014 06:41

Right-of-centre ideology has lost us the war in Afghanistan and much more besides

More widely, our failure in Helmand, following on from the disaster in Basra where our forces were beaten back to the airbase outside the city and only the intervention of the US army allowed an orderly exit, has led to America’s profound re-evaluation of our usefulness as an ally. Tony Blair’s key aims for first invading Iraq to quest for nonexistent weapons of mass destruction and then pivoting into Afghanistan was to prove to the US that we were stalwart allies, consolidate the “special relationship” and so maintain Britain’s standing as a co-upholder, if junior partner, of the world order. In this, he was solidly supported by the “strategists” in the Ministry of Defence and leading generals anxious to defend their budgets.

All that has been completely dashed. Frank Ledwidge in his passionate and revelatory book Investment in Blood (the source of the figures above) quotes former vice chief of staff of the US army General Jack Keane speaking at a conference at Sandhurst in late 2013 about the twin debacles of Basra and Helmand: “Gentleman, you let us down; you let us down badly.” Ledwidge continues, having spoken to many senior American military leaders: “This is a common view among senior American soldiers.” The US commander in Afghanistan, General Dan K McNeill, is uncompromising, cited by Jack Fairweather in his no less astounding The Good War: the British “made a mess of things in Helmand”. Afghanistan has left the special relationship in tatters.

Vamsee · Post by **Vamsee** » 28 Dec 2014 15:50

UK economy, boosted by the inclusion of sex and drugs in national accounts, overtakes France by a whisker to become the world's fifth largest economy

Official estimates show prostitution added about £5.7bn to the UK economy in 2013, while illegal drugs were worth about £6.62bn.

Pretty soon in UK, patriotism will mean going into prostitution or drug peddling

"Do it for queen and the country"

This is what happens to nations which put profits above everything else. A dead(?) civilization(?!).

Vamsee · Post by **Vamsee** » 28 Dec 2014 16:11

Sir Winston Churchill’s family begged him not to convert to Islam, letter reveals

The family of Sir Winston Churchill urged him to “fight against” the desire to convert to Islam, a newly discovered letter has revealed.

The Prime Minister who led Britain to victory in World War Two was apparently so taken with Islam and the culture of the Orient that his family wrote to try and persuade him not to become a Muslim.

In a letter dated August 1907 Churchill’s soon to be sister-in-law wrote to him: “Please don’t become converted to Islam; I have noticed in your disposition a tendency to orientalise, Pasha-like tendencies, I really have.

“If you come into contact with Islam your conversion might be effected with greater ease than you might have supposed, call of the blood, don’t you know what I mean, do fight against it.”

The letter, discovered by a history research fellow at Cambridge University, Warren Dockter, was written by Lady Gwendoline Bertie who married Churchill’s brother Jack.

"Churchill never seriously considered converting," Dr Dockter told The Independent. "He was more or less an atheist by this time anyway. He did however have a fascination with Islamic culture which was common among Victorians."

Churchill had opportunity to observe Islamic society when he served as an officer of the British Army in the Sudan and in the Crimean War. In a letter written to Lady Lytton in 1907 Churchill wrote that he “wished he were” a Pasha, which was a rank of distinction in the Ottoman Empire.

He even took to dressing in Arab clothes in private

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 28 Dec 2014 21:30

Edit: Seems the post I was responding to was deleted for some reason, but keeping this post here.

While both the Brishits and the Portugeez mofos were almost equals in their genocide, mass murder and slavery, The difference between Goa and Diego Garcia is that the Diego Garcia was completely depopulated by the Brishits. BTW: is there a native name for that Island rather than some Euro-trash name?

Therefore if that Island were ever to be evicted of the Brishits, it would need a claim of legitimacy and constant reminding to the world that the Brishits are massive human rights abusers that we always knew them to be. The way to do it is to find a bunch of "Diego Garcians" who are willing to travel to that Island on Satyagraha.

Everytime some Millipede from Brishitland cries about Cashmere there should be a "fact finding mission" to Diego Garcia, with a couple of documentaries widely aired on social media and west-independent media houses like Al-Jazeera, Pravada, and Xinhua. This should immediately be followed by a "satyagraha", where a boat full of original inhabitants of diego garcia and their descendents travel to the Island on a ship and attempt to "non violently" enter the Island. Telecast live.

This should be sustained for a few years before a frontal assault can be made to evict the Brishits. For that we need three things: Functional/economical autonomy from the west, balls and vision. We are clearly not in a position to do that

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 28 Dec 2014 22:48

LokeshC wrote:For that we need three things: Functional/economical autonomy from the west, balls and vision. We are clearly not in a position to do that

And a global English media presence in the likes of BBC, CNN, France24, CCTV, Al-Jazeera, RT (fill in any country except India). It beats me why we haven't invested in a global voice articulating an Indian PoV, considering we have a full ministry dedicated to I&B and whose official language is English! (No, DD does not cut it).

BTW, the island chain having DG is called Chagos - maybe that's the native name?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 29 Dec 2014 14:22

Letter raises speculations about Churchill’s desire to convert to Islam

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 30 Dec 2014 00:26

Tommy Robinson speaks at the Oxford Union, about why the EDL was formed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyzGayfI400

member_28638 · Post by **member_28638** » 03 Jan 2015 22:12

Poodleville's Grade Inflation

All they have is their lies and the paper tigers only have funny money and worthless kwalificaiouns. Yet here they call for even more dumbering down.

On education, Mr Cridland said the current system was leaving too many young people behind and he called for GCSEs to be replaced by a four-year learning plan between the ages of 14 and 18.
+ CBI urges government to focus on cutting deficit in new year

The PISA test scores show the thieved state of Poodleville and Amerika are krap. The movie Idiocracy explains how the dumberer pro-create at a faster rate than the intelligent leading to a dumbering down. Zero Hedge published a graph which was extremely similar to that shown in the movie, showing IQ levels were falling.

In other words, Anglos favour the underdog because they ARE the under-poodle. This cheating to give themselves an advantage guarantees that they will wipe themselves out as they get dumberer and dumberer. One Tory MP even complained that the policies encouraged the "scumbags" to pro-create.

The krappiness of poodle edukashun is even admitted: Michael Gove, who was education secretary until the summer, is said to believe that the introduction of the exam was a “historic mistake” that has led to a dramatic fall in standards. Before stepping aside to become Chief Whip he set in train an overhaul of the curriculum which he said would address “the pernicious damage caused by grade inflation and dumbing down”.
- Margaret Thatcher feared GCSEs would lower school standards

But the zionist Daily Telegraphic Nonsense continues to peddle the white-supremacism, despite all the evidence to the contrary and focusing on teaching methods rather than the fact that they're slug-brained. Those PISA test results sure hurts: While it’s fashionable to point to China’s admittedly excellent academic results, especially in such economically important subjects as science and maths, it is facile to claim that Western education is fundamentally outdated and in decline.
- Chinese schools get a lesson from Britain

It's always in decline, but then, it's always been krap anyway and it's not "fashion", just the truth finally coming out.

But the shyster peddles the old BS used when Japan recovered after WW2, implying that Asians are incapable of innovating: In fact many of the ‘Tiger Economy’ nations, including China, are turning to the UK for advice on how to teach their younger generation to be more innovative and better equipped to succeed in the knowledge economy of the future.

That's a flagrant joke. Most Anglos are so fick they can't operate a VCR; a technolgy which has already been and gone. Yet, the UK's state-owned channel 5, illegal state-aid programme, The Gadget Show, featured one episode where the kids in Korea below the age of 12 were programming robots.

As well as lies, the shyster does a switcheroo: although tens of thousands of Chinese citizens are employed in making iPhones, the country enjoys less than a fiftieth of the profits from the finished device.

This is the proxy for evidence the shyster uses to claim that China doesn't do design, just manufacturing. Never mind that China is the leader in patents whilst the thieved state of Amerika is a net importer of technology. As for Poodleville, its achievement are only conspicuous by their absence. Their main exports are whisky, pig semen, cheese and confectionery. Freakin' hilarious! They iz so fick they offer a diploma in Self Awareness.

by gork (http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-893460-65-1.html)

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 04 Jan 2015 12:53

Meh is now a word in my vocabulary.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Jan 2015 14:48

More damning accusations about the alleged Westminster pedo ring involvingthe high and mighty in the kland,all covered up by the establishment and police.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... me-up.html

Thatcher confidant raped boy and police covered crime up Exclusive: Former Conservative minister Sir Peter Morrison allegedly lured 14-year-old to London and sexually abused him in a guesthouse reportedly used by a Westminster paedophile ring

.. By Bill Gardner, video by Will Scothern
9:00AM GMT 04 Jan 2015
One of Margaret Thatcher’s closest confidantes raped a teenage boy 30 years ago but escaped justice when Scotland Yard covered up the crime, it has been alleged.
Police are investigating claims that Sir Peter Morrison lured the 14-year-old to London and sexually abused him in a guesthouse reportedly used by a Westminster paedophile ring.

A former Conservative minister, Morrison was first exposed as a serial child abuser in 1998, three years after he died from a heart attack. But the MP for Chester was never charged with any crime during his lifetime.

Speaking to The Telegraph, the alleged victim, now aged 46, said he and his family reported Morrison to Scotland Yard in 1982, hours after the teenager had escaped the MP’s clutches.

Yet after he gave a statement and was examined by doctors, the family say they heard nothing for months.

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Finally, the boy’s father says he was informed by Scotland Yard that the abuser had been sent to prison for assaulting his son, and that no further action was needed.

However it was only years later, the family claim, that they discovered the culprit's true identity. They then discovered Morrison had never in fact been jailed for any crime, and that police had apparently duped them into dropping the allegation.

The man, now a married businessman, is the first of Morrison’s alleged victims to speak publicly. His disturbing story is backed up by his parents and is being investigated as part of Operation Fairbank, set up by the Met two years ago to probe suggestions that high profile political figures had been involved in organised child sex abuse.

He is now preparing to take legal action against the force, who he claims “hushed the whole thing up”.

Sir Peter Morrison with Margaret Thatcher, and the notorious Elm Guest House in Barnes where he allegedly abused a 14-year-old boy

An Old Etonian and barrister by background, Peter Morrison was Lady Thatcher’s trusted parliamentary private secretary and deputy chairman of the Conservative Party. In 1990, he led Thatcher’s disastrous leadership campaign team when she lost power.

It was first reported in 1998 that Morrison had been arrested for molesting underage boys during his career, but had been let off with a police caution. In 2002, Edwina Currie, the former Tory minister, revealed that Morrision was a “noted pederast” in her diaries. He has also been linked to the child abuse scandal at care homes in North Wales.

Earlier this year, Thatcher’s former bodyguard Barry Strevens claimed the former prime minister was told about Morrison’s alleged penchant for under-age boys but appointed him deputy party chairman despite the rumours.

Norman Tebbit has also admitted that “rumours had got to my ears” that Morrison was a paedophile more than a decade before the truth was exposed.

The new allegations against Morrison and Scotland Yard come after the father of an eight year old boy murdered in 1981 told The Telegraph in November that his son may have died at the hands of a Westminster paedophile ring, and that police covered it up.

Vishambar Mehrotra, a retired magistrate, recorded a male prostitute saying in a telephone call that his son may have been abducted and taken to the Elm guesthouse in 1981, the same location where the new victim claims Morrison raped him.

Mr Mehrotra took the recording to police at the time but claimed they refused to investigate an allegation implicating “judges and politicians”.

Last month, the Met announced it is investigating the alleged murder of three young boys linked to a Westminster paedophile ring active in the late seventies and early eighties.

Officers are probing claims that up to five paedophile rings operated at the heart of Westminster with the involvement of “highly influential” politicians.

A Labour MP said it was “inconceivable” that police would not now arrest and interview some of the politicians he has named in a list handed to detectives.

John Mann, who spent months sifting evidence from members of the public, handed over evidence on 22 politicians including three serving MPs and three members of the House of Lords.

Although some on the list are now dead, it also contains the names of other figures who are still alive but no longer active in Westminster, Mr Mann said.

“There are at least five paedophile rings which involved MPs,” he said.

“Each of them involved at least one MP, some involved more, and these were groups of people who knew about the activities of one another.

“In some cases I believe they committed abuse together.”

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said the force was investigating the alleged victim's claims.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 04 Jan 2015 15:45

Fits right into Bachha Balatkari (child rapist) Nation

Prince Andrew sex claims 'emphatically denied' by palace

Buckingham Palace has "emphatically denied" Prince Andrew had sexual contact with a woman who claims she was forced to have sex with him under age.

The Duke of York was named in documents filed in a Florida court over how prosecutors handled a case against financier Jeffrey Epstein.

The Mail on Sunday has named the woman as Virginia Roberts. The BBC has not been able to verify her identity.

The palace said the allegations against the duke were "without any foundation."
'Categorically untrue'

Palace officials made a second statement after further details about the claims were published in Sunday newspapers.

An initial statement had said "any suggestion of impropriety with under-age minors" by the duke was "categorically untrue".

BBC royal correspondent Peter Hunt said the latest denial was "quite remarkable".

The situation "has the potential to seriously damage Prince Andrew and the institution he represents," our correspondent added.

The woman behind the allegations says she was forced to sleep with the prince when she was under age, and on three occasions - in London, New York and on a private Caribbean island owned by Epstein - between 1999 and 2002.

A US lawyer, meanwhile, says he is planning legal action against the woman.

Alan Dershowitz, who was also named in the court documents, told the BBC he wanted her claims to be made under oath.

Alan Dershowitz: "My goal is to bring charges against the client and require her to speak in court"

Mr Dershowitz, a former Harvard law professor, said: "My goal is to bring charges against the client and require her to speak in court. If she believes she has been hurt by me and Prince Andrew, she should be suing us for damages.

"I welcome that lawsuit. I welcome any opportunity that would put her under oath and require her to state under oath these false allegations."

'Innocent victim'

Mr Dershowitz also said he thought Prince Andrew should take "whatever legal action is available" to clear his name.

He added: "You cannot allow these false allegations simply to remain out there, and you cannot allow people who make false allegations to have the freedom to continue to make them."

He previously told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that the allegations against Prince Andrew must be presumed to be false, and that he had only met the prince at public occasions.

The woman has issued a statement through her lawyers, saying she was "looking forward to vindicating my rights as an innocent victim and pursuing all available recourse", adding that she was "not going to be bullied back into silence".

The court document alleges that Epstein sexually trafficked the woman making her available for sex to "politically connected and financially powerful people".

Prince Andrew and Mr Dershowitz are two of three well-known men named in the court document who it alleges had sexual relations with the woman.

The prince, who is fifth in line to the throne, has previously been criticised for his former friendship with Epstein, who was sentenced to 18 months in prison for soliciting a minor for prostitution.

The prince and Epstein were photographed meeting in December 2010, after the tycoon had served his prison sentence, and the prince has also visited Epstein at his Florida home over the years.

The prince later had to apologise for his friendship and stepped down as the UK special representative for trade and investment.

US citizen Virginia Roberts waived her anonymity in an interview with the Mail on Sunday in 2011, claiming she had been sexually exploited by Epstein as a teenager.

She also claimed to have met Prince Andrew on several occasions, but the paper said there was no suggestion of any sexual contact between Virginia Roberts and the prince.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 04 Jan 2015 15:56

Vamsee wrote:

UK economy, boosted by the inclusion of sex and drugs in national accounts, overtakes France by a whisker to become the world's fifth largest economy

Official estimates show prostitution added about £5.7bn to the UK economy in 2013, while illegal drugs were worth about £6.62bn.
Pretty soon in UK, patriotism will mean going into prostitution or drug peddling
"Do it for queen and the country"
This is what happens to nations which put profits above everything else. A dead(?) civilization(?!).

While the addition of prostitution and illegal drugs form part of new pan-European accounting standards, France has refused to comply with EU rules because it does not consider them to be "voluntary commercial activities".

So randibaaji (prostitution) and nashakhori (drugs) will be part of GDP data released by European nations except France which surprisingly has some sense of shame left. Such "GDP", Much growth wow wow !!!!