Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

[Philip]

Just like the Turkish "Sultan" who wants to create a neo-Ottoman empire,so too do the Brits have their equiv. The Moron-of-Cam has just established a new naval base in Bahrain,in a "return to the East".evoking memories of the British Empire.Having been booted out from Afghanistan again and again and again,has the Moron learnt nothing from history?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 16856.html
Royal Navy base construction begins in Bahrain as Britain seeks a return to 'East of Suez'
The major strategic shift has dismayed human rights campaigners
Jamie Merrill

British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond and Bahraini Foreign Minister Sheik Khalid bin Ahmed Al Khalifa, center help lay a cornerstone for a new British military base being built in Manama, Bahrain. AP Photo/Hasan Jamali

Construction has begun on a controversial Royal Navy base in Bahrain, as Britain’s seeks a return to “East of Suez” in a major strategic shift that has dismay human rights campaigners.

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond travelled to the Gulf kingdom this weekend to break ground on HMS Juffair, the first major naval base opened by Britain in the east of the Suez canal since 1971.

The ceremony Mina Salman Port in Bahrain comes as the UK is pushing to strengthen economic and military ties in the region, but has prompted outcry from human rights campaigners who say the ruling Al Khalifa family in Bahrain is overseeing an on-going crackdown on human rights and freedom of expression.

Mr Hammond said the beginning of construction at Mina Slaman Port marked a “watershed moment” in the UK’s commitment to the region and ensuring stability in the Gulf.

He said: “The presence of the Royal Navy in Bahrain is guaranteed into the future, ensuring Britain’s sustained presence east of Suez. The new facility will enable Britain to work with our allied to reinforce stability in the Gulf and beyond.”

The Royal Navy base was first announced in December last year, amid allegations the base was “reward” for Britain’s silence over on-going human rights violations in the Gulf state. Since then the Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have noted with growing concern that the Bahraini government has arrested a sting of political leaders.

British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond boards a British military ship docked in Manama, Bahrain after helping lay a cornerstone for a new British military base being built in Bahrain.

This weekend’s announcement that construction has started on the base, which will support four UK minesweeper as well as visiting frigates and destroyers, has provoked fresh criticism as it comes after a major Amnesty International report found that human rights abuses continued “unabated” in Bahrain.

The report, which was released earlier this year, documented dozens of cases of detainees being beaten, deprived of sleep and adequate food, burned with cigarettes, sexually assaulted and subjected to electric shocks.

“All the British government's policies show is a commitment to military expansion at the cost of human rights,” said Sayed Ahmed Alwadaei, director of Advocacy at the Bahrain Institute for Rights and Democracy. “Bahrain continues to systemically arbitrarily arrest, torture and silence any critic of the government. This new base is totally inappropriate.”

Campaigners are also dismayed that the Royal Navy has chosen to name HMS Juffair after a 1930s colonial base in the country, amid suggestions that the UK is “celebrating a legacy of repression”.

Mr Hammond admitted that “Bahrain is not perfect by any means”, but told BBC News that the ruling family was “taking steps” to improve its human rights record.
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The base will provide support and accommodation for around 80 UK military personnel based in Bahrain, and end a British reliance on the facilities of the far larger US Navy Fifth Fleet which is also based at the port. It is expected to be complete by autumn 2016 and will eventually provide port facilities for the Royal Navy’s new generation of aircraft carriers.

It is expected to be opposed by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who put down an Early Day Motion in Parliament against the new base in February. It argued that the base would be “deeply upsetting for those who suffered human rights abuses by the government of Bahrain” and would “exacerbate tensions in the region.”

A Foreign Office spokesperson said the Government did not “shy away” from challenging Bahrain on human rights issues.
UK-saudi talks on ‘judicial co-operation’

Britain is still in discussions with Saudi Arabia about co-operating on justice issues despite cancelling a bid to run prison training services in the Gulf state, the Human Rights minister has revealed.

Dominic Raab said the British Embassy in Riyadh was in “ongoing discussions” with the Saudi authorities on possible areas of judicial co-operation but that the Government has not yet carried out any work in the country.

The talks relate to a memorandum of understanding signed in September 2014 designed to foster “dialogue on human rights and an exchange of expertise on justice and legal matters”, according to the Government.

The admission – in a series of written parliamentary answers to Labour’s justice spokesman Andy Slaughter – comes just weeks after the Justice Secretary, Michael Gove, succeeded amid cabinet opposition in cancelling the £5.9m prison training bid in Saudi Arabia – a country notorious for public beheadings, floggings and torture.

Arj Singh

[panduranghari]

This is a clever bit of psy-ops. Britain wants its own FTA with India. But IMO there is probably nothing that Britain has to offer India. Contrary to this, EU can offer a bigger market share and access. UNSC re-organisation might mean the veto could also be given to EU, thus weakening britain further.

Why Indians want britain out of EU

I have spent the past week in India, talking to business, university and political audiences in Bombay, Bangalore and New Delhi. I haven’t come across a single Euro-enthusiast. What I’ve heard, instead, is frustration at the EU’s nine years of delay over negotiating a free trade agreement, and annoyance at the way Brussels rules on free movement discriminate against Commonwealth nationals, including those with strong family links to the UK.

It’s true that Indian businessmen want Britain to trade freely with the EU. So do British Eurosceptics. So do Brussels officials. So does everyone else. Our market access is not in question. Some 45 European states, from Iceland to Turkey, form a common market, 28 of whose members are also in the EU. No one is suggesting that Britain would cease to be one of the 45.

Since when did britain care about brownies and blackies?

To be clear, I’m not suggesting that we should have an open door to Commonwealth migration, any more than we should have an open door to EU migration. But there should be no discrimination against non-EU nationals. It is idiotic that we are, in practice, forced to turn away computer programmers from Bangalore because their places have been filled by unqualified workers from Bialystok. We should have a fair, points-based system, in which people from all over the world can compete equally.

Far too long have these perfidious people punched above their weight.

Next year, Britain will have to decide whether we are defined chiefly by our geography. Must we merge with states which happen to be in the vicinity, or do we recognise that some values transcend continents, linking us to kindred peoples in more distant lands?

[member_22733]

Just like the Turkish "Sultan" who wants to create a neo-Ottoman empire,so too do the Brits have their equiv. The Moron-of-Cam has just established a new naval base in Bahrain,in a "return to the East".evoking memories of the British Empire.Having been booted out from Afghanistan again and again and again,has the Moron learnt nothing from history?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 16856.html
Royal Navy base construction begins in Bahrain as Britain seeks a return to 'East of Suez'

Poodle being prepped for Halaaling Eye-Ran? What other reason could this c*untry of bingedrinkers be thinking of starting a new naval base when their own home is in such a disorder.

[Vayutuvan]

New British Council report says India Matters to UK
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/new- ... 09701.html

They need a commission for that? Beurocrats baboonze these British. Hey kiddos, India mattered to the world before UK came into existence and remains mattering to the world even after UK cases to exist. Nobody cares what you has-beens think.

[panduranghari]

Osborne has backed wrong asian emerging market horse

India is the only major emerging market with still favourable demography, allowing it to indulge in easy catch-up growth for years to come. Given the improvement of the relatively new Modi government, India’s growth rate in the second quarter of 2015 was an annualised 7 per cent, already on a par with China. If Prime Minister Modi can win control of the Upper Indian House over time, he can pass the vitally important goods and service tax reform, actually and finally uniting India as a single common market. This would amount to the next big bang globally, and would undoubtedly economically propel New Delhi forward for years to come.

[member_19686]

Historian Andrew Roberts told the Mail on Sunday: “Those involved in this ludicrous case should recognise that the British Crown Jewels is precisely the right place for the Koh-i-Noor diamond to reside, in grateful recognition for over three centuries of British involvement in India, which led to the modernisation, development, protection, agrarian advance, linguistic unification and ultimately the democratisation of the sub-continent.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 25951.html

[member_29172]

involvement

that's a strange way of saying piracy, loot and plunder in the guise of trade. Here's the dandrew, the eminent historian of the turdistani ummah, has recieved quite a few prizes from the old hag



Time for the central govt. to sue for reparitions and bankrupt these poodles, this alone should be enough to cancel the Modi visit, we'll do fine without the drain inspectors meddling in our economy

[Avinash R]

"Modi not welcome," how an NGO protested against Modi's UK visit
The projection showed Modi waving a sword with an 'OM' sign changing to a Nazi swastika behind him

http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/mo ... isit-35841

Guess who is the NGO? Awaaz Network, their website http://awaaz-uk.org/ and facebook page https://www.facebook.com/AwaazNetwork-1545512629028691/

As usual it is a mawali outfit which hides their islamiyat by using a hindu person to front their operation and appear secular.

And the dhimmi is one jagdish patel http://jagdishpatel.com/about/

Once a mawali always a mawali.

[JwalaMukhi]

The perfidious albions have lived true to their reputations. When China's leader was in town, the phreedom loving queendomers government went overboard and roughed up pro-tibetians in their homes. Well, certainly they can spit on a SDRE without repercussions. Well SDRE being too polite and care about being goody 2 shoes will lap up the insult and go calling the queen.

Pussy cat pussy cat where had you been. I've been to london to be spit by the queen.

[Mort Walker]

Just like the Turkish "Sultan" who wants to create a neo-Ottoman empire,so too do the Brits have their equiv. The Moron-of-Cam has just established a new naval base in Bahrain,in a "return to the East".evoking memories of the British Empire.Having been booted out from Afghanistan again and again and again,has the Moron learnt nothing from history?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 16856.html
Royal Navy base construction begins in Bahrain as Britain seeks a return to 'East of Suez'

Poodle being prepped for Halaaling Eye-Ran? What other reason could this c*untry of bingedrinkers be thinking of starting a new naval base when their own home is in such a disorder.

Well, unkil is getting them to buy the F-35B and use it on their jump jet carriers. The goal is that in any shooting war with Eye-ran let the limeys get halaled first.

[Singha]

over the past 6 months of war in yemen, perhaps the GCC has realized the true value of its fighting capabilities and compared that to iran to arrive at a realistic assessment - hence the urge to pay protection money(huge arms deals) and get western powers to open more bases there. they can recover some money by providing logistics to these bases - food, water, entertainment, construction, upkeep, outer security, tourism from off-duty...

[NRao]

Britain never left the Gulf!

Secondly, this new base is only to expand a base to accommodate larger ships, including the new carriers. It currently hosts 4 minesweepers. And will cost some piddly $18 mil.

Not to talk of the UK and France taking over this area to help the Pivot.

[TSJones]

Britain never left the Gulf!

Secondly, this new base is only to expand a base to accommodate larger ships, including the new carriers. It currently hosts 4 minesweepers. And will cost some piddly $18 mil.

Not to talk of the UK and France taking over this area to help the Pivot.

the Brits never left Oman either, providing the US with some nice facilities also.

[Singha]

oman and djibouti are their main hangout places.

[shiv]

Hasan Suroor, friend of secularism arrested for trying to meet 14 year old girl for hukku-pukku
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/11/11 ... 29978.html

video link
https://www.facebook.com/17384477997169 ... 461731777/

[Philip]

Mr.Modi is off to Blighty for a grand festive season encounter with the Brit govt. ,meeting the Moron-of-Cam,etc.,etc and will have a grand bash with our NRIs (Non resident Indians) at Wembley stadium,the mecca of English football.
No doubt that NRI clan in Blighty will give him a rapturous welcome,esp. the huge Gujju diaspora and he will be bearing Diwali gifts for the Brits,more Hawk aircraft in the hope of more Brit investment in India.

However,back home another group of NRIs, have many a bone to pick with Mr.Modi.In fact they number an astounding billion+,these NRIs (Neglected Resident Indians,to coin a phrase) feel left out of the Modi juggernaut. While the Delhi durbar may announce policy after policy and scheme after scheme,what trickles down to the states ? Perhaps its time that Mr.Modi visits and meets these NRIs across the country ,many of whom are losing faith in the ability of the GOI to execute the grand designs that emanate from Delhi. This is the feedback that one is seeing across the board.The ability to make a difference in the ordinary lives of Indians ,improving their wellbeing is what matters. Let's see what this visit to Blighty will do to further that goal.

[panduranghari]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ember.html

A realistic assessment of Indo-British relationship.

In the Indian narrative of perfidious Albion, we were defeated in Afghanistan and now seek a dignified exit from the region by appeasing Pakistan, at New Delhi’s expense. Then, of course, there’s Britain’s new best friend, China, which just happens to be locked in the world’s largest border dispute with India. We cannot be all things to all people.

[Philip]

Mr Modi made an excellent speech to the British MPs of both houses,which recd. a standing ovation. However,it has had little coverage in the Brit press.Are the Brits really indifferent to Mr.M and India? Look at the groveling that was witnessed when the Chinese emperor visited Blighty.The Queen even took him for a ride in her gilded coach!

I've scanned the major dailies and the big news is "Jihadi John" being sent to meet his "72"! "ISIS on the run" in Iraq,after losing Sinjar is the next big intl. news item. Mr.M has been relegated to the small print. XI Gins got far more publicity when he visited. TV channels though gave his speech live coverage. What got larger type were Qs posed to him by some entities.This evening's tamasha at Wembley will no doubt enthrall the UK Indian diaspora and will be for the greater part,sheer entertainment.This is the easy part,charming the pants off your hosts and displaced tribe.

The difficult part however is walking the talk,which can only be done back home. "Enfant terrible",the controversial Brit politico,Goerge Galloway,whose bum chums included some unsavoury characters,considered part of the non-lunatic fringe,had this to say.But he got the headlines!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31906.html

George Galloway says Narendra Modi 'has blood on his hands' at protest as Indian PM meets David Cameron

Mr Modi has been in talks with David Cameron today as the pair seek to strengthen ties between the UK and India

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... rities-lie
Narendra Modi's belated visit to Britain shows where his priorities lie
As his 29th overseas destination, the UK’s lack of real interest to the Indian PM is clear, but the trip comes at a useful time for Modi

Narendra Modi: very different from the many Oxbridge-educated or Temple-trained Indian leaders who have previously made their way to No 10. Photograph: Jaipal Singh/EPA

Jason Burke South Asia correspondent
Thursday 12 November 2015

At a press conference in London on Thursday, David Cameron and Narendra Modi, prime ministers of the UK and India respectively, will make the predictable statements about historic ties, current partnership and future collaboration.

But if both men are keen to make a success of this visit, the growing diplomatic imbalance in India’s relationship with the UK must be clear to even the most casual observer. Cameron has visited India three times since becoming prime minister in 2010, bringing with him small armies of ministers every time. This is the first visit by an Indian PM to the UK since 2006.

Yes, there is some trade, and various other non-economic links, but the brutal reality is that, particularly for Modi, who won power at a landslide election in May last year, the UK is hardly a priority.

London is Modi’s 29th overseas destination. The 65-year-old politician was supposed to visit in spring, but the trip was postponed as the UK was in election purdah (a word, like so many other things, appropriated by Britain in colonial times). The delay makes little difference however. Modi’s priorities in his push to raise his nation’s profile on the world stage were evident very early.

Rock star reception lined up for visit of Indian prime minister Narendra Modi

One key focus has been rebooting regional relations. Modi has also flown thousands of miles to summits with the Brics nations. The US has seen a particular effort, while China was ticked off the list in May.

All foreign policy reflects domestic compulsions, however, and this belated trip to Britain comes at a useful time for the visiting leader.

First, Modi, if not struggling at home, is finding the going harder than he may have anticipated after his landslide election victory last year. Major measures aimed at stimulating growth have been difficult to push through parliament and senior opposition lawmakers, speaking to the Guardian this week, said they will continue to use their power in India’s upper house to block new legislation over the winter. A swath of new contracts from big UK firms will not do any harm here.

There are other problems too. India’s infamous bureaucracy has also proved more resistant to reform than anticipated. Farmers are feeling marginalised. Then there is some concern at the government’s perceived intolerance of religious minorities and dissent. Modi’s Bharatiya Janata party lost an important provincial election last weekend.

Taken together, this means that the rapturous welcome from the diaspora in Wembley stadium on Friday, the eager chumminess of Cameron, lunch with the Queen, a batch of nice-looking new military jets (albeit merely trainers) and the inauguration of a new museum dedicated to Dr Bhimrao Ambedkar, an icon of those at the very bottom of India’s tenacious caste system, will help Modi return to Delhi with renewed confidence.

Narendra Modi’s visit to the UK is overshadowed by nationalist violence in India
Mirza Waheed

It is also a nice way of pointing out differences with China. If one senior Indian official refused to compare the recent visit of Xi Jinping to the UK with that of India’s prime minister, he couldn’t resist pointing out that there had been no popular mass meeting cheering the Chinese premier.

But the reasons for Modi’s lack of real interest in the UK run deeper. They are cultural rather than economic or purely diplomatic.

A former tea seller who rose through the ranks of a Hindu nationalist and revivalist movement, the Indian prime minister is very different from the many Oxbridge-educated or Temple-trained leaders who have previously made their way to No 10. British literature, language, values and lifestyle do not resonate with Modi in the way they did with previous generations of Indian politicians and the elite from which they were drawn.

This is true more broadly. Britain is not “just another country” for India – and, given the past, never will be so – but the new emerging India is less in thrall to its erstwhile colonial overlords or their legacy than ever before. The gulf between how Modi’s visit will be viewed in India and how it is seen by British officials and media will only underline that shift.

[Gus]

There is hardly any neutral coverage that is to the point and not colored, from UK. Probably the worst coverage of any nation and it figures this being UK which probably houses the most anti indian crowd of any nation.

[Philip]

The hard truth is that India has "moved on" from genuflecting "as per norm" to HMG. During the last decade,Snake-Oil Singh made a shameful speech in Blighty,saying that everything of value to him had been learnt during his days there. Sadly,not an opposition mouse squeaked in protest at this nauseating confession,which ranked as vulgar as his "India loves you" surrender to Dubya Bush.

The famous quote about "Britain having lost an empire and yet to find a role" lingers on.For decades,it played poodle to Yankee Doodle. India under Snake-Oil,wanted to play the role of serf Feudal to the Doodle! Britain was happy with this neo-colonial servility from India,as the Indian diaspora in Britain renders unto the Queen what is the Queen's.We are "your's obediently",loving it being second-class citizens,making money on the quiet.In fact it is in the US where the American Dream has seen the Indian community make great leaps into the corporate limelight and political spotlight. Hats off to the US for that. One Verma is the US envoy to India.Can one imagine how long it would take for the UK to send to India as HM's representative a WOG? Not likely in this century!

A few years ago,the British HC to India before he took up his post officially,travelled incognito for a few months soaking in the country and its diversity. The Brits had high hopes of expanding their official profile in certain key Indian cities other than the metros,to promote trade,aid,cultural relations,education,etc.,etc. For some reason,this hasn't happened. Some say that our MEA hasn't been too enthu about this. The Yanquis however have moved faster in this direction. From my observations,the emotional and sentimental ties that link Britain and India are far stronger with many Brits whose families were part of the history of the Raj and are seeking their roots,in a romantic idea of India,rather than Indians who were the subjects of the British Empire and who would like to forget much of that period of history!

Now that India is no longer bowing and scraping towards Blighty,and a more equal relationship is fast developing with events like the Tata-JLR entity,Mr. Modi's visit might be a catalyst for a new mature partnership between Britain and India.However,there isn't going to be a mad stampede towards the Gateway of India.It will be more of wait and watch before booking tickets on the Indian Eco-Express.

[Lalmohan]

this visit is a different visit from an Indian PM to the UK - the balance has shifted back to india
something to note - the chinese premier is the head of state, modi is the prime minister and not the head of state. there are different protocols to be observed for these different roles
i.e. dawood kamran will not get the same protocol as her maj when he goes abroad

[Prem]

Eagerly waiting For 2031 !!

[Prem]

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[rgosain]

Apart from the Guardian which has been running an unremitting media jihad against the Indian pm and indians in general, that the paper now risks being labelled as anti-dharmic as well as anti-semitic, most of the UK are rather positive and curious of him, unlike the circus that accompanied Xi during last month's visit which left the city in gridlock. Modi's visit is understated and more business oriented which is not a surprise as UK business leaders often met him in Gujarat during the period of his ban from the Uk that was put in place by Tony blair. Key factors:

Look for movement in space cooperation eg Uk astrophysics is keen on Astrosat 2.
Meeting with CEO's Bae, Rolls Royce etc.

In terms of politics, UK based Hindus and Sikhs now vote overwhelmingly conservative and this should auger well for the Mayoral election next year in London. London's mayor Boris Johnson who has his eye on replacing Cameron as PM, was on hand to give Modi a guided tour of the City. For Labour, Modi has been a disaster thanks to the indecision and immature posturing of Corbyn.

[Rishirishi]

David Camron just endorsed India as a permanent member of UN, at wembly.

[Philip]

The Brit media canned the Modi visit ,reported in our media.One report said that there was a cartoon of Mr.Modi applying a bindi to CaMoron's forehead with his finger saying,"sorry,it is only a drop of blood".
What about the millions of litres of innocent blood spilled by BLiar,CaMoron and co. around the world?There's one standard for the white man and another for the "darkie". I wish an Indian paper responds similarly with a cartoon showing a beaning CaMoron showing off his bloody hands with a pic of Tony B Liar in a similar state on the wall behind,saying "not to worry,Moodi,we've shed far more blood than you"!

[arun]

British Left hates Modi : Why Guardian attacked him – It is, of course, not out of any solidarity with India's poor and suffering millions. :

Daily o

Modi proved to be a litmus test of many British anxieties.

The left-wing press predictably abhorred his visit. The Guardian had a nervous breakdown, publishing a series of scathing articles attacking India for its religious intolerance, caste discrimination and oppression of women. Fair enough: all of these problems are unresolved in Indian society and demand reporting. What was telling, however, was that the visit of China's unelected one-party tyrant - sorry, I mean 'president' - two weeks earlier hadn't triggered a similar slew of criticism about that country's myriad human-rights abuses.

That welcome was reserved for Narendra Modi, who received a bigger democratically decided mandate than any other politician in human history. Indeed, why is it that now, when Indians are more prosperous, open, longer-lived and democratically engaged than ever, the British Left has taken to heaping criticism on India as never before - a contempt pointedly expressed by Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party leader, who couldn't stand to be in parliament when Modi gave his historic speech?

The neurotic hysteria of Britain's leading left-wing newspaper this past week has a more local and nastier motive.

The sad truth is that Indians came to Britain and, through much struggle and sacrifice, made a great success of themselves: the British Left - and its trust-funded propagandists at The Guardian - will never forgive them for that. Indian success in Britain, undermining as it does the Left's demented ideologies of race and class, is simply unbearable. Those labels were never going to fit Indians, who don't define themselves within such simplistic limiting boundaries, but for the British Left, to succeed in the face of racism and poverty as most Indians here did, is to commit a crime that cannot be punished enough.

If Indians in Britain were to riot, lower their academic performance or blow themselves up more, The Guardian's coverage of India would surely be more positive. Of course, they can't focus their ire on British-Indians themselves - the racism would be too obvious - so the motherland is scorned instead.

[eklavya]

PM Modi's address to the British Parliament:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zMSbcyl5qHE

PM Modi's address at Wembley stadium:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7t1AZ4hJA

[rgosain]

In the end Modi's trip to the UK went off much better than expected. Some 60000 people had a great time at wembley, there were no arrests and india's soft power was judged to be more successful that emperor Xi week-long junket where the Queen had to lay on a banquet for him. Even Corbyn who had earlier refused to meet the man, was more concerned about job losses in the UK steel industry.

In the light of recent events in France, the best ways for Indians in the Uk to differentiate themselves from the pure followers is to do the following
a) remove yourselves from any South-Asian based activities - eg mailing list, dining groups, film clubs etc
b) if there is a pub in your area that hasn't been shut down by the local islamofacists, have lunch or a quick drink on an evening.
c) avoid sending your kids to school where there is a large catchment ares of Mirpuris and their ilk
d) be aware that there are people of Indian origin from ex-colonies in the Caribbean, Fiji, Mauritius who although shunned by the larger Gujarati, Punjabi communities because of language differences, are likely to be very well integrated and successful in the UK. Interacting with these folks is a lot better than the usual South Asian crowds, and their cuisine is a delight.

[panduranghari]

In the town where I live, we have successfully removed Pakistanis from the 'South Asian Society' . It was really political than anything else. To add insult, the Pakis wanted chicken curry to be served during Diwali function.

The good thing is lots of non Indians attend the cultural events- other than ethic Brits lots of Germans, French and Chinese are quite interested. Nepali restaurants tend to get business for catering, which as you mentioned Mirpuri and Sylheti restaurants are not promoted. Indian Christians also attend is large numbers. But we do not see any Indian Muslims. And they are enough of those.

Alas Pakis have a big mosque built with the local government support a few years back. While no funds are available for Hindu temple. YET. In the south west of the UK, historically there are few non whites compared to the south east, midlands or Scotland. So schools are mostly white. In the south west we have shortage of Punjabis and Gujaratis. We have mostly people from Southern India.

[A_Gupta]

The author of that piece above, Nirpal Dhaliwal, on why the British Left hates Modi, in his twitter feed recommends this article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ember.html

[rgosain]

In the town where I live, we have successfully removed Pakistanis from the 'South Asian Society' . It was really political than anything else. To add insult, the Pakis wanted chicken curry to be served during Diwali function.

The good thing is lots of non Indians attend the cultural events- other than ethic Brits lots of Germans, French and Chinese are quite interested. Nepali restaurants tend to get business for catering, which as you mentioned Mirpuri and Sylheti restaurants are not promoted. Indian Christians also attend is large numbers. But we do not see any Indian Muslims. And they are enough of those.

Alas Pakis have a big mosque built with the local government support a few years back. While no funds are available for Hindu temple. YET. In the south west of the UK, historically there are few non whites compared to the south east, midlands or Scotland. So schools are mostly white. In the south west we have shortage of Punjabis and Gujaratis. We have mostly people from Southern India.

The Hindu Caribbean society in London does a lot of outreach work with schools and Universities throughout the UK and Europe and gets some funding for that aspect.
A few years ago, their Diwali celebrations focused on the arrival of Caribbean migrants during the 1950's and 60 and they took the opportunity to invite the local Caribbean community and others. What was impressive and surprising was how many of the older Afro-Caribbean folks could relate to Holi and Diwali, and, who felt that the celebrations and vegetarian food reminded them of the good times back in trindad, guyana or grenada. Everyone agreed that hindu communities could do more in the UK.

[UlanBatori]

She's not male-only looks it.

It's that kind of astute kindness that I vijit BRF to read.

[sum]

Indian Christians also attend is large numbers. But we do not see any Indian Muslims. And they are enough of those.

Where do these IMs hang out then?

With the Pakis?

[member_29172]

Hindus really need to get involved a lot more in politics wherever they go. That's one thing the muslims of even most backwater countries do, make alliances and then attacking the communities becomes difficult and the community gets a voice that it rightfully deserves. Away from the leftist/liberal propaganda cabal. Completely cut these groups out and get the things done that matter to the Indians there. Folks from Carribean and Cambodia and Thailand and so on are pretty cool and still well connected to Hinduism, make alliances there.

[member_29172]

Indian Christians also attend is large numbers. But we do not see any Indian Muslims. And they are enough of those.

Where do these IMs hang out then?

With the Pakis?

Yes, typically, they are the more educated "moderate" types in the muslim-ummah crowd. A lot of them are quite into pakiness than India. I had a GHQ (Indian muslim) in college days whose family was from Hyderabad, but she had mostly paki and Indian friends. A large number of her friend circle was comprised of paki girls.

I neither had time nor interest in indulging with them, but yeah islam and ummahgiri seems to absolve all boundaries. A lot of pakis also adopt Indian names- so a paki called Raza becomes Raja, I've met pakis with names like Peter (he was still a muslim), Arun, Arjun, Amar, Sonya, Preeti and Moon (a she-goat who changed her name from Chand choudhary to moon choudhary )

[chetak]

Does anyone know if Scottish people played a big role in Indian colonization and rule? I heard that Scots made a lot of money and the Royal Bank of Scotland was involved in the exploitation of India.

apparently, a very big role.

Scotland and the British Empire
Edited by John M. MacKenzie and T.M. Devine
Oxford University Press 344pp £35

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The British Empire was never wholly English, of course, or even predominantly so. Scotland had its own colonial enterprises before the Act of Union (1707), and afterwards arguably contributed more to their joint imperial project than its southern neighbour
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http://news.nationalpost.com/news/why-s ... hind-union

A Scotsman is credited as being the “Father of Australia.” Another Scotsman consolidated the modern state of India. A Scottish explorer was the first European to cross what is now Canada from sea to sea. A few decades later, another Scotsman was the first to put a railway across it.

Scots thrived in the colonies of the British Empire — which makes it all the more ironic that the main reason they entered a 300-year union with England in the first place was because their own attempt at a colony had been such an unbelievable failure.


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Wikipedia“Money will beget money,” William Paterson promised..

“Trade will increase, and money will beget money, and the trading world shall need no more want work for their hands, but will rather want hands for their work,” read the infamous 1695 words of Scottish financier William Paterson as he dazzled his countrymen with tales of New World riches.

By the dawn of the 18th century, much of Central America was already speaking Spanish, New France stretched from Quebec to Louisiana, and thousands of English settlers were busy carving out what would eventually become the United States.

Seventy years before, a Scottish colony at Nova Scotia (Latin for “New Scotland) had fizzled out after only a few years. But now, Scotland’s 1 million residents decided it was high time to try again.


The plan, in hindsight, was astonishingly naive. A tiny flotilla of Scottish ships was to sail right into the centre of the mighty Spanish Empire and plant a colony on the Isthmus of Darien, in what is now Panama.

There, in a settlement to be dubbed New Caledonia, the Scots would set up a kind of proto-Panama Canal.

Rather than sail around Cape Horn, fleets of European merchant ships would unload their cargo on the western edge of New Caledonia. Then, after the Scots had hustled it through the jungle, they would pick it up on the other side.

“The time and expense of navigation to China, Japan, the Spice Islands and the far greatest part of the East Indies will be lessened more than half,” said Paterson.

For a country beset by crop failures and internal wars, the prospect of becoming Europe’s middle-man was too good to resist. The kingdom of Scotland suddenly went all-out on Paterson’s colonization scheme.

“It certainly was a national frenzy in terms of investing; people were subscribing to this company with dreams of fabulous wealth,” said Leith Davis, director of the Centre for Scottish Studies at Simon Fraser University.

[Rahul M]

the two UK threads running in parallel have been merged.

[Lalmohan]

surinder - following the defeat of the scots to the english at culloden and the end of the jacobite rebellion, the english imposed sufficient penalties on the scottish aristocracy for them to change their economic model. whilst one son of a laird would inherit the thin and bleak soil, the others had to either join the church or fend for themselves in the colonies. many 2nd, 3rd and 4th sons of scottish aristocrats went to the americas and to india and helped build the empire, and eager participants in the great colonisation game they became too. large numbers of scottish troops also served in india - and it is no surprise that many of their traditions persist to this day in the Indian army.

[sooraj]

Last Week Tonight With John Oliver - Narendra Modi in UK (kOHINOOR)

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So the Brits are not going to give up the diamonds.