Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Shreeman
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3762
Joined: 17 Jan 2007 15:31
Location: bositiveneuj.blogspot.com
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Shreeman »

A_Gupta wrote:
shiv wrote:^^Where do Mongolians go when you need them?
An airag break?
Too late in mangolia right now, probably dreaming of free tickets on malaysian airlines.
A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12067
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by A_Gupta »

Some time-pass info. for until the Mongolian shows up.
http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2014/03/1 ... ite-pings/
rohitvats
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 7830
Joined: 08 Sep 2005 18:24
Location: Jatland

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by rohitvats »

shiv wrote:<SNIP>
Shiv - please see this website: http://skyvector.com/

It has the flight routes used in civil aviation...you can check the flight routes going towards Maldives from Sri Lanka and peninsular or coastal India. In fact, there is a flight route from Maldives towards Diego Garcia as well. Lot of flight paths from SE Asia and some from south India/Maldives converge on Mauritius...and these tend to skirt DG to its north and south at an average distance of 35-400 km.
rohitvats
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 7830
Joined: 08 Sep 2005 18:24
Location: Jatland

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by rohitvats »

shiv wrote:Thai radar might have tracked missing MH370 jet
Flight 370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12:40am March 8 and its transponder, which allows air traffic controllers to identify and track it, ceased communicating at 1:20am

Montol said that at 1:28am, Thai military radar "was able to detect a signal, which was not a normal signal, of a plane flying in the direction opposite from the MH370 plane," back toward Kuala Lumpur. The plane later turned right, toward Butterworth, a Malaysian city along the Strait of Malacca. The radar signal was infrequent and did not include data such as the flight number.

When asked why it took so long to release the information, Montol said, "Because we did not pay any attention to it. The Royal Thai Air Force only looks after any threats against our country." He said the plane never entered Thai airspace and that Malaysia's initial request for information in the early days of the search was not specific.
- See more at: http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... CFql8.dpuf
Perfectly sensible reply IMO
I checked the location in Thailand from where the radar is supposed to have picked up the flight - it is in excess of 500 km from the last known position and with this range would cover entire southern stretch of their country. Thai's seem to have power radar for their southern borders.
member_26011
BRFite
Posts: 119
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by member_26011 »

A_Gupta wrote:Some time-pass info. for until the Mongolian shows up.
http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2014/03/1 ... ite-pings/
Thanks for that, I was wondering whether time-of-flight, signal-strength or both methods were used. Arcs corresponding to multiple pings received don't seem to be readily available except for the famous last ping arc. With a constant ground speed assumption (or may be airspeed is better), known ping times, and sanity against random walks, couldn't a narrower set of potential courses be calculated -- as the NTSB seems to suggest (or whoever). Is this data published, by chance?

Also, information about how long the Thai radar tracked the aircraft seems to not be readily available. One data point that they seem to mention is that it never entered their airspace. Would that rule out (with somewhat greater certainty) a northern route?
member_26011
BRFite
Posts: 119
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by member_26011 »

Myanmar search
Myanmar’s aviation authorities have allowed Malaysia to search for its missing aircraft MH 730 in Myanmar territory for one week, sources from the Department for Civil Aviation say.
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by shiv »

rohitvats wrote:
I checked the location in Thailand from where the radar is supposed to have picked up the flight - it is in excess of 500 km from the last known position and with this range would cover entire southern stretch of their country. Thai's seem to have power radar for their southern borders.
The news item did say that the track was not continuous but on and off. So maybe at those ranges coverage is patchy and perhaps better at night.
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by shiv »

chand.bhardwaj wrote: Also, information about how long the Thai radar tracked the aircraft seems to not be readily available. One data point that they seem to mention is that it never entered their airspace. Would that rule out (with somewhat greater certainty) a northern route?
That is what I think
member_26011
BRFite
Posts: 119
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by member_26011 »

At least to me, it seems like crossing A&N is bunk and any ingress touching the final arc North has a narrow corridor (sorry, 5000ft seems implausible on such a long flight path and not enough to duck radar, 8000ft ridges not withstanding) through Myanmar, which also dies crossing over to Tibet. They would be caught there. So, the one possibility, among the poor choices, seems to me like a spot in Myanmar somewhere, which would be a small probability dependent on the estimation error of the method used for locating the arc. Northern Myanmar is still a guess, a weak guess.

Why would they go South by heading Northwest? Is that the only way to evade radar, but they did not do that. They crossed over and were tracked across at a fairly high altitude. They seemed like they were following airways to a certain extent. And if that's true, getting anywhere southbound seems to be at the edge of their fuel range. So then tucking into Indonesia or one of the "islands." That's where the trail falls apart for me but for the possibility from an overlay of airways on the southern track intersecting their last known position west, a second weak guess.

The first point though is what happened going up to FL450 and back. They programmed the turn, so why? Going up they easily paint to radar. The rapid descent as has been discussed here makes no sense structurally. The occasional radar blips heading west make even less sense for anyone interested in flying all the way to NorthNorthHimachal. So there itself, just given those facts, I am unsure what can be concluded but I feel offer cues for later on.

So all in all I come back to "it's gone now" theory, but may be that's just impatience. What a problem to have!
Karan M
Forum Moderator
Posts: 20773
Joined: 19 Mar 2010 00:58

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Karan M »

A_Gupta wrote:Some 4 year old news:
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... r-command/
aerostat radar procurement has been held up on account of a) one of earlier radars procured leaking gas and israeli supplier asking for arm and leg to fix it b) new tender to supply new systems

i would be very surprised if IAF has aerostat radars to spare.
SSridhar
Forum Moderator
Posts: 25087
Joined: 05 May 2001 11:31
Location: Chennai

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by SSridhar »

MH370 debacle reveals tough truths
It’s apparently a challenge to find people satisfied with the Malaysian government’s performance in its search for Flight 370: A mainstream daily newspaper there ran a story Monday on praise being lavished by an anonymous Facebook user from Sweden.

The mysterious disappearance of a Boeing 777 with 239 people aboard would test any government, but Malaysia’s is particularly strained because its elite are accustomed to getting an easy ride. Decades in power and a pliant media have cushioned them from scrutiny.

Its civilian and military leaders have struggled to provide answers from day one of the crisis, when it took several hours to even declare the plane missing. They said early on that the plane may have doubled back, but took days to say it was military radar that suggested that and days more to confirm it.

In response to criticism, government officials have repeatedly said they must wait to confirm information before they can release it. But that has not prevented them from making mistakes.

On Monday, Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said police visited the homes of the jet’s two pilots soon after the March 8 disappearance, contradicting the country’s police chief, who said officers did not go there until a week later. The minister also raised doubts about earlier reports from Malaysian officials that a key data communications system had been turned off before the cockpit spoke to air-traffic controllers — a detail that has increased speculation that the pilots were responsible.

China, where most of the passengers are from, has been especially dismayed that it took a week for Malaysia to come up with details on the plane’s possible location. The official Xinhua News Agency said the delay “smacks of either dereliction of duty or reluctance to share information.”

Passengers’ relatives, holed up in hotels in Kuala Lumpur and Beijing and desperate for news, have picked up on rumors and false leads in the media before the government has, adding to their anguish.

Asked Monday by a foreign reporter about the criticism, Hishammuddin said it was baseless. “I have got a lot of feedback saying we’ve been very responsible in our actions,” Hishammuddin, the main face of the government’s response to the crisis, said. “It’s very irresponsible of you to say that.”

The disappearance of the jet touches on issues that officials normally would not discuss publicly. The incident now appears certain to be a security failure at some level of the government, and has raised questions about the national airline and the defense readiness of the air force, which was unable to quickly spot a jetliner in Malaysian airspace and off its flight path. The possibility of Islamist militant involvement is also highly sensitive in the multiethnic country.

“In Malaysian political culture, they are not used to answering questions straight and honestly,” said Bridget Welsh, a political scientist from the Singapore Management University. “They are used to ‘government knows best for government,’ and have been very slow in realizing this is not a Malaysia crisis — this has global effects.”

Although nominally a democracy, the same ruling coalition has held power in the country for more than five decades, helped by gerrymandering and affirmative action policies that have won the support of the ethnic Malay majority.

But in recent years the government’s grip on power has weakened; the ruling coalition didn’t win the popular vote for the first time in elections last year, though it managed to hold on to power. The plane disappeared the morning after a court convicted opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim of sodomy — illegal in Muslim Malaysia — and a verdict widely seen as politically motivated. The verdict was handed down just hours before MH370 took off and it has since emerged that the pilot, Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah, was a supporter of Anwar, though this has not been widely reported in government media. On Tuesday, Anwar condemned speculation that the captain may have been driven by political motives to sabotage the plane.

Greg Barton, a Southeast Asia expert at Australia’s Monash University, said the country has a tradition of distrusting the West, a “Third Worldism” political philosophy that was a legacy of the pugnacious rule of former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad.

“There is a natural instinct not to ask for too much Western help,” he said. “It’s made it hard for the government to move quickly.”

Malaysian officials have said they are working with foreign experts and countries, including the sharing of sensitive radar and satellite data.

Apart from online news portals, the print and television media in Malaysia are unabashedly pro-government.

“Stop bashing SAR (search and rescue) efforts, says Swede FB user,” read the headline in the mass circulation New Straits Times, which went on to quote at length from the Facebook page of the anonymous Swede defending the government.

“Can you imagine the burden they (the government) carry on their shoulders and how much precaution they have to take before announcing anything?” the Swede was quoted as posting on his account. “No. Because you are not in their shoes.”

The government said soon after the jet disappeared that there were indications it might have turned back from its last known position over the South China Sea after it stopped communicating with the ground, but did not fully explain why. It took a week for it to confirm that military radar data had confirmed the plane had flown over the country and then north toward the Indian Ocean.

“There is a bit of haziness there,” said Ibrahim Suffian, the head of the Merdeka Center, a Malaysian political research institute.

Like several others, Ibrahim said he thought the government’s media management had improved in recent days, perhaps because they had contracted a crisis management company to advise them.
niran
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5535
Joined: 11 Apr 2007 16:01

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by niran »

shiv wrote:Thai radar might have tracked missing MH370 jet
Flight 370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12:40am March 8 and its transponder, which allows air traffic controllers to identify and track it, ceased communicating at 1:20am

Montol said that at 1:28am, Thai military radar "was able to detect a signal, which was not a normal signal, of a plane flying in the direction opposite from the MH370 plane," back toward Kuala Lumpur. The plane later turned right, toward Butterworth, a Malaysian city along the Strait of Malacca. The radar signal was infrequent and did not include data such as the flight number.

When asked why it took so long to release the information, Montol said, "Because we did not pay any attention to it. The Royal Thai Air Force only looks after any threats against our country." He said the plane never entered Thai airspace and that Malaysia's initial request for information in the early days of the search was not specific.
- See more at: http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... CFql8.dpuf
Perfectly sensible reply IMO
that article seems to be lost in translation
The RTAF chief in a press conference gave this
RTAF radar situated in Songkla province(it is in South on Malaysian border) tracked a passenger plane which was climbing from
the Malaysian airport after a while the plane turned towards malaca strait and dissapeared.
upon the why now? Malaysian authorities requested for Data onree 3 days ago so yesterday this was given to them and today to the press.
Rajiv Lather
BRFite
Posts: 287
Joined: 20 Sep 1999 11:31
Location: Karnal, Haryana, India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Rajiv Lather »

Someone quite knowledgeable told me the following

The pilot was up to no good; he planned a spectacular political protest. Malaysian government was apprehensive he might try something so he was under constant watch. When the plane changed course and turned back Malaysians desperately tried to contact him. The plane kept flying towards Malaysia, not responding, not following orders of the ATC. Panic ensued.

Plane was brought down. Some confusion here, if it was shot down, or someone in the plane tried to overpower the pilot. More panic. Then began operation cover-up followed by clean-up. Unkle Skam is helping with both. The pings are fictitious and Unkle's doing. Unkle's Kidd kept rushing here and there trying to impress and to show the search was really going on. Vietnamese are furious, they invested a lot of effort, time and money.

Those governments that got the "diplomatic note" from the Malaysians (14 I think) were brought in the loop later. China knows.
Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66601
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Singha »

Shall we lock this thread?
the situation is a stalemate for now....no great revelation or discovery lately.

maybe in 2yrs a deep sea diving mission will find wreck off madagascar..if the powers want it found.
harbans
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4883
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 05:01
Location: Dehradun

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by harbans »

Need to hear more about the Paki angle to this episode. Lots of noise coming from that front and why is it coming.
Tanaji
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4521
Joined: 21 Jun 2000 11:31

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Tanaji »

So what happened to the black box flight data recorder signals? How come they aren't being received?
member_28352
BRFite
Posts: 1205
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by member_28352 »

Those governments that got the "diplomatic note" from the Malaysians (14 I think) were brought in the loop later. China knows.
Are these the 14 that had citizens on board?
About the FDR/CVR, first time I am hearing in a plane disappearance case that people are searching for transponder pings than searching for black boxes. Black boxes are very much in guvmint hands. Therefore all the diversionary BS.
kmkraoind
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3908
Joined: 27 Jun 2008 00:24

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by kmkraoind »

Something is amiss here. RollsRoyce says, they receive engine status through pings to their HQ in UK. Then the question is how the pings travel all over the globe to their UK HQ, they need some satellites (US operated GPS sats) as a medium between engines and RR HQ. Then, they must have known, which sats are feeding the data and they can narrow the search, but nothing is happening in that direction. It seems Malaysia, UK (RR engine manufacture) and US are hiding something in this whole saga.
anmol
BRFite
Posts: 1922
Joined: 05 May 2009 17:39

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by anmol »

Fmr. Gen. Doubles Down on Claim Malaysian Plane Could Be in Pakistan to Be Used for Terror
by Noah Rothman, mediaite.com
March 18th 2014

Appearing on Fox & Friends last week, retired United States Air Force Gen. Thomas McInerney speculated that the missing Malaysian passenger airliner had been intentionally flown to South Asia where it could be used as a delivery vehicle for conventional or nuclear explosives by terrorist actors. On Tuesday, McInerney repeated that claim and said that the recent actions of the Israeli and American governments lent credence to that theory.

McInerney and Fox host Steve Doocy revealed that some personnel at Boeing agree that the missing plane could have flown to Pakistan. “My course of action that I gave you last Friday that, number one, it was hijacked and, number two, we ought to look at Pakistan and Eastern Iran was a course of action that just wasn’t arbitrary,” McInerney said. “That’s all I can say now.”


“I think we’re going to see in the next 24 to 48 hours that the Malaysian government may break it,” he continued. “The Pakistani government isn’t saying anything. And why should they? Because it means they’re complicit.”

He added that America is pulling back from searching for wreckage in the ocean and the Israeli government is on a heightened air defense alert. “I still believe there is high potential for a terrorist act, but do not know,” McInerney concluded.

Actually he have tripled down on this claim:




He said in the video above:
[..]the only thing that I have seen that is starting to become verified is the lignet report from Boeing saying that they believe that their plane is in pakistan[..]
This is the report he is talking about:
Malaysia Hunts for Missing Jet in Pakistan Israel Preps for Attack-
lignet.com | Mar 16th 2014

The Malaysian government reportedly is investigating the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 avoided radar detection and landed in Pakistan near the Afghanistan border inside Taliban-controlled territory, according to the UK Independent . . . investigators confiscated a homemade flight simulator from the pilot’s home to see if it reveals any useful information . . . the Malaysian foreign minister told reporters that Malaysia asked several Asian countries for assistance in its investigation, including Pakistan . . . Pakistan dismissed the idea that a Boeing 777 could land undetected inside the country but promised to work with the Malaysian government in its search for the missing plane . . . a LIGNET analyst received information from a source at Boeing that the company believes the plane did land in Pakistan . . . Israel is taking the possibility of a terrorist attack seriously by mobilizing air defenses and scrutinizing approaching civilian aircraft, according to the Times of Israel . . . a Boeing 777 requires a lengthy, 7,500-foot runway, and Pakistan has many of them, meaning Flight 370 could conceivably be hidden in a hangar inside the country . . . U.S. surveillance of the area may be able to shed light on the theory through satellite imagery or signals intelligence.
Last edited by anmol on 19 Mar 2014 12:47, edited 2 times in total.
Rajiv Lather
BRFite
Posts: 287
Joined: 20 Sep 1999 11:31
Location: Karnal, Haryana, India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Rajiv Lather »

It is just another theory and that too not mine ! Who said black box signals not received ? Malaysians may have found them by now and buried them.
habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6919
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by habal »

so malaysian AF shot down the plane over Vietnam or MS. So that tallies with accounts of oil rig worker and Vietnamese reports of burning plane and a floating raft that was rescued by fishermen & later destroyed by malaysian coast guard. Rolls Royce pings are intervention of unkil & poodle to save malay H&D and give some respite from the furious Chinese govt.
Rajiv Lather
BRFite
Posts: 287
Joined: 20 Sep 1999 11:31
Location: Karnal, Haryana, India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Rajiv Lather »

By the way, the same person was very confident that an airliner cannot cross Indian mainland either in radar shadow or by transponder spoofing.
Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21538
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Philip »

Even more curiouser and curiouser! The Thais now reveal that their mil. radar might've picked up the track of the MH flight as it passed across their territory.Their excuse is that the Malaysians did not ask them and that their military are on the look out only for threats against them! If the Maldivian report is right,the aircraft was heading out towards DG and would've been short down without any compunction by Uncle Sam,a wild goose chase then conducted in the Indo-China Sea and after the debris,etc., was cleared up in the IOR,the true news leaked out drop by drop.The "Northern and southern arcs" possible routes of the aircraft from the Malacca Straits is another bogus report,another piece of disinformation as the heading of the aircraft after it turned back was a straight line that would've taken it to the Maldives and then on to DG.Who knows,perhaps this was another 9/11 style mission to attack the nuclear base at DG.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 98826.html
10 days after the aircraft disappeared, Thailand's military said yesterday that its radar detected a plane that may have been the Malaysia Airlines jet, minutes after its communications went down, but did not share the data earlier because officials “did not pay any attention to it” and were not specifically asked for it.

Air Vice Marshal Montol Suchookorn admitted Thai authorities could not be sure the aircraft picked up by the radar was the missing plane carrying 239 passengers and crew, but the new information raised further questions about the effectiveness of search efforts, which are being coordinated by Malaysian authorities.
Rajiv Lather
BRFite
Posts: 287
Joined: 20 Sep 1999 11:31
Location: Karnal, Haryana, India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Rajiv Lather »

Funny thing is, only one and a half governments were 100% truthful - Pakistan and Taliban.
chaanakya
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9513
Joined: 09 Jan 2010 13:30

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by chaanakya »

Tanaji wrote:So what happened to the black box flight data recorder signals? How come they aren't being received?
DFDR and CVR signals are activated in the event of Crash and can be received up to 30 days and 6000mts under water.If plane is under water sonar pings from ULBs should be heard by sensors of SAR vessels or even submarines. From Air range would be limited. If it is sitting on ground without crash then there would be no ELT transmission.

if Radar data suggests sudden large changes in velocity and altitude from 45000 to 20000 ft then ELT should have been automatically triggered. This ELT is situated in he Cabin while ELT of DFDR is self contained. None of these systems are triggered so far( presumably) Plane had normal flight parameters but had abnormal flight pattern which should have alerted any number of ATCs in their FIR or Military Radars if plane passed through their zones. All of them are keeping quite and giving some unproven unverifiable data like that of Thai Military Radar . If they knew why they conducted search in wrong place. Just to divert attention from actual happenings elsewhere till plane is safely lodged .

If plane dived catastrophically into the ocean and rested under 12000ft of water it would left tell tale signs because Boeing plane can not withstand speed greater nearing or than Mech 1.0 and would disintegrate , even impact on water would feel like concrete at 100kts. If it belly landed some floating debris would have surfaced with ELT transmission as well on UHF and VHF band at 770.
krishnan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7342
Joined: 07 Oct 2005 12:58
Location: 13° 04' N , 80° 17' E

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by krishnan »

there would have been atleast something floating on water
Rajiv Lather
BRFite
Posts: 287
Joined: 20 Sep 1999 11:31
Location: Karnal, Haryana, India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Rajiv Lather »

I just went back and looked at the red arcs again. India is so far behind in acting like a great power; so much to learn.

Notice how the arcs push the search area far away from Malaysia :) This was like saying, search everywhere - Kazakhstan, Perth are ok, but not Malaysia.
Dilbu
BRF Oldie
Posts: 8272
Joined: 07 Nov 2007 22:53
Location: Deep in the badlands of BRFATA

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Dilbu »

I thought they were searching initially around the point where they lost contact with the plane.
Rajiv Lather
BRFite
Posts: 287
Joined: 20 Sep 1999 11:31
Location: Karnal, Haryana, India

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Rajiv Lather »

Dilbu wrote:I thought they were searching initially around the point where they lost contact with the plane.
Yes. And Vietnam did search diligently and reported three positives - oil slick, door and raft. All three were quickly discredited or destroyed.
A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12067
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by A_Gupta »

CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/19/world/asi ... nes-plane/
Malaysia says Maldives story is false.
Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13262
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Lalmohan »

reprogramming the FMS is a red herring
if the pilots were trying to manage an emergency on board, they would have called up the diversion plan for that segment of the flight and/or entered butterworth or penang into the FMS so that the navigation part of the a-n-c chain could be contained. perhaps the FMS then headed in that direction, but sometime later the pilots disengaged it or were unable to control it and the plane went down
the only question is is it off penang, or off perth?
wilson_th
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 53
Joined: 03 Jul 2009 14:16

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by wilson_th »

what if it safely landed on the ocean and then slowly sinked ( thought tragic it is) .... then the black box will not give off signals?

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/as ... 06446.html

"The working assumption is that it went south, and furthermore that it went to the southern end of that corridor," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity
Arunkumar
BRFite
Posts: 643
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 17:29

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Arunkumar »

Ok my last CT:
All passengers could be safe somewhere. This incident was to focus asian attention on south china sea for monitoring chinese mischief in case things get too hot in black sea for unkil.
Dilbu
BRF Oldie
Posts: 8272
Joined: 07 Nov 2007 22:53
Location: Deep in the badlands of BRFATA

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Dilbu »

Is there any CT left to be presented in this thread. :D
Harpal Bector
BRFite
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Harpal Bector »

Rajiv Lather wrote:Someone quite knowledgeable told me the following

The pilot was up to no good; he planned a spectacular political protest. Malaysian government was apprehensive he might try something so he was under constant watch. When the plane changed course and turned back Malaysians desperately tried to contact him. The plane kept flying towards Malaysia, not responding, not following orders of the ATC. Panic ensued.

Plane was brought down. Some confusion here, if it was shot down, or someone in the plane tried to overpower the pilot. More panic. Then began operation cover-up followed by clean-up. Unkle Skam is helping with both. The pings are fictitious and Unkle's doing. Unkle's Kidd kept rushing here and there trying to impress and to show the search was really going on. Vietnamese are furious, they invested a lot of effort, time and money.

Those governments that got the "diplomatic note" from the Malaysians (14 I think) were brought in the loop later. China knows.
Yes it is plausible that Malays shot it down and are trying to cover up any omissions on their part. But why would Uncle Sam help clean up and cover up. What is in it for Uncle Sam?

Upon closer examination the Taungkamet facility appears to be a palm plantation and oil refinery most likely owned by the Yuzana company. If the local sea or land access is frustrated for any reason, it may be cheaper to fly the palm oil out of there than loading it on ship. Yuzana is owned by Htay Myint, an associate of Gen. Khin Nyint and Gen. Than Shwe.
Harpal Bector
BRFite
Posts: 226
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by Harpal Bector »

In aviation security matters, Uncle Sam gets involved if the either there is a threat to CONUS airspace, a USMIL asset or if the interests of a major US corporation are threatened.

If the Malays shot the airliner down, none of those seem possible.
shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by shiv »

I personally doubt that the Malays would have shot it down. Tome their actions come across as tentative, hesitant and indecisive. They are IMO unlikely to have taken such a drastic decision. At least one link I read speaks of a Malaysian idea that terrorism is not "indigenous to Malaysia". They are in a state of denial.
member_28502
BRFite
Posts: 281
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by member_28502 »

More than the plane going down this event will go down as the biggest government sponsored Hoax in the history of civilized nations
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by UlanBatori »

-- Malaysian authorities have received background information from all countries with passengers on board the plane except Russia and Ukraine.
1. NOW we begin to see CT#393 take shape: The same hackers who recorded the "*uck the EU" telephone conversation and the ones proving that the Maidan Sharpshooters were paid by the UkBapZis/EU/US were the ones who took over the flight.

2. So what did Malaysia cite as evidence that the Maldives story was false? "Our military chief (he of world-famous transparency, clarity and forthrightness) contacted his counterpart Abdul bin Male".

Shiv, sorry, yaks were tired and dragging their tails over the Silk Road. U r exactly right, the map shows the paths that any attack on Colombo, TVM or Kochi might take: they would all start out about the same to avoid Male (or fly back over the same Abdul and Ayesha who saw the flight on the way in) - they might run to the PrintZone or FahiMart and make a phone call to The Maldives Times who will then publish it 3 days later, to be picked up by BRF and then TOI and then NSA and then WSJ and then eventually Malaysia might hear about it and contact "counterparts" in Dilli, and the Chaprassi bringing chai to the Dilli Baboos might overhear that phone call (like happened with the Kandahar event) and call his coujin in Vijayawada whose friend lives in Mumbai and she might call her coujin in TVM... pretty soon all security and surprise are lost!

So then the paths would diverge. But in any event, I think warning is limited to under 1 hour?

As for TVM radar etc.. :roll: So they can reach UP to 25,000 FEET? Alla* save ppl in Southern Xingjiang! I hope they mean 25,000 METERS? But how low can they go? Under the horizon too? A mijjile coming in at 500 to 1000 feet will be well inside the PUHBUK/KUAG limits b4 it can be detected.

At least we now know something: when the flight took off from KualaLumpur there was no JDAM on it set to go off at 5000 feet. There may be now.
***************************************

I see the CNN is getting some good comments from readers about their Breaking News needing to be renamed "Breaking Wind With Wolf Blitzer". :mrgreen:

TSP link is pretty interesting: So ANY smell of crime/terrorism/hijacking/soosai attacks, talking heads blame TSP government. Denial is the clincher! Karma... 8) (V had nothing 3 do with that, of course!) Wonder what is it that Malay guvrmand is going to Break in 48 hours on TSP link.

Good to see both CT#1 (crash on Malaysian territory, covered up) and CT#2 (still-imminent attack) :eek: :shock: getting due consideration.

CT#1 is easy to check: Those nuke-monitoring sats should be able to say if there was frenetic construction-site activity (covering about 1 square mile) that started and disappeared within 36 hours... with 400% sovirgin forest covering the place again now... they can't afford to build anything there, because someone might dig a hole to plant a tree and find a bone or worse, a half-burned Boarding Pass. Place has to be cordoned off as a Toxic Waste site.

A few b4-after pics of Malaysian territory should answer that, very fast. Where is crowd-sourcing when one needs it? Just the arc north-west of Kuala Lumpur should be enough...
Last edited by UlanBatori on 19 Mar 2014 16:37, edited 1 time in total.
harbans
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4883
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 05:01
Location: Dehradun

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Post by harbans »

Some reports coming on some airplane parts being washed up near AP coast..have been reported to officialdom. Officialdom still to comment.

Added: See Yahoo Live feed on right on this page for above info
http://in.news.yahoo.com/us-think-tank- ... 04625.html
Last edited by harbans on 19 Mar 2014 16:42, edited 1 time in total.
Post Reply