Canadian Parliament attack - congratulations Pakistan?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Oct 2014 22:43

“There are multiple assailants,” police reportedly told local columnist John Invision, adding

“move back, they’re targeting first responders.” Ottawa Police Constable Marc Soucy told Reuters that they “are actively looking for suspects right now, so we don’t know if it is suspect one or suspects plural”.

Flew by on google (sorry, no link).

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 22 Oct 2014 22:44

vishvak wrote:Kenop, if there are no islamists then why is NORAD tracking more and Canada tracking islamists. Why are there multiple attacks.

One of the attackers is dead but no more information about background.

Tracking of the malsi motivated should be normal posture for any sensible country if the concentration is over 0.1% of total population. Makes sense.
I was just speculating as nothing big has been reported so far (it is already close to 3 hours since the start). A bigger dhamaka or larger scale firing would have occurred in the first few minutes.
Just fitting facts/events into existing frame of prejudices at my end.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Oct 2014 22:49

The guy who ran over a soldier doesn't seem to have a Paki connection.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-is-ma ... -1.2807285

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 22 Oct 2014 22:53

Where was the Imam of his mosque from? Who radicalized him? Need not be direct connection.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Oct 2014 22:55

Don Martin ‏@DonMartinCTV 10m10 minutes ago

Ottawa police correct their info. No shooting at the Rideau shopping centre. Everything now points to one gunman in two locations.

Andy Carvin ‏@acarvin 9m9 minutes ago

CBC: Police statement pulls back from what was earlier being reported. Possible that this was a lone gunman, not multiple. #ottawa

Shreeya Sinha ‏@ShreeyaSinha 1m1 minute ago

Ottawa police saying that contrary to earlier reports there was NO incident near Rideau Centre. Our locations graphic will update to reflect

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Oct 2014 22:58

Weblogy.de ‏@weblogyhamburg 4m4 minutes ago

PM Harper cancels Malala Yousafzai citizenship ceremony in light of Ottawa shooting

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 22 Oct 2014 23:10

Three degrees of separation max...

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 22 Oct 2014 23:14

A_Gupta wrote:
Weblogy.de ‏@weblogyhamburg 4m4 minutes ago

PM Harper cancels Malala Yousafzai citizenship ceremony in light of Ottawa shooting

Connection ? Coincidence ?
The RCMP says "several gunmen involved"
I am leaning towards connection.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Oct 2014 23:21

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/21 ... extremism/

The attack came a month after Abu Muhammad Adnani, a spokesman for the terrorist group Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham, urged followers to kill Canadians, suggesting they single out a victim and “run him over with your car.”

Officers continued to work with his family and the imam to “help him to see other ways than the way he was looking … his radical thoughts of violence,” said Supt. Fontaine. There were efforts to “exert a positive influence over him. We wanted to avoid him turning to violence,” she said, “to help him see that his thoughts were not the right ones.”

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 22 Oct 2014 23:24

Combined Lessons from Indian Parliament attack and Mumbai attack are being utilised. What next??

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Oct 2014 23:32

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/ ... QR20141022

Quebec French-language newspaper LaPresse said Rouleau attended Al-Iman Mosque in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu about three times a week, starting a little less than a year ago, and ending two months ago. It quoted the president of the mosque.

Website of the mosque?
http://mosqueealimane.com/

Unable to find out who the Imam is.

PS:
http://islamicfinder.org/getitWorld.php?id=101752

Still testing the 3 degrees of separation

PPS:
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/dossi ... osquee.php

Use google translate, it says, the mosque has no imam

The al-Iman has no imam. The celebrations are chaired alternately by the faithful.

The President of the association that manages the mosque is Abdel Hamid Bekkari, ~~of Moroccan origin.~~

PPPS:
http://pamelageller.com/2014/10/the-mos ... nada.html/

This is Pamela Geller (ugh!) but:

At least one radical imam, Hamza Chaoui, has been invited as a speaker at this mosque attended by the murderer and the RCMP officer. Point de Bascule has produced articles about Hamza Chaoui.

Point de Bascule (June 12, 2014): Former Laval University Imam Hamza Chaoui condemns World Soccer Cup as part of Jewish plan of world domination

We get more information about Hamza Chaoui at that mosque here:
http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/dossi ... helieu.php

(use Google translate).

PPPPS: try this too, scroll down to the comments for more on Hamza Chaoui
http://www.postedeveille.ca/2013/05/que ... laval.html

More:
http://pointdebasculecanada.ca/chaoui-hamza/

sorry, no Paki connection yet.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 Oct 2014 00:12

A_Gupta wrote:http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/21 ... extremism/

Officers continued to work with his family and the imam to “help him to see other ways than the way he was looking … his radical thoughts of violence,” said Supt. Fontaine. There were efforts to “exert a positive influence over him. We wanted to avoid him turning to violence,” she said, “to help him see that his thoughts were not the right ones.”

er...what?! This sounds like something right out of the movie Canadian Bacon.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 Oct 2014 00:13

From the NYTimes:

The Canadian authorities provided F.B.I. agents with the name of the dead Parliament assailant, law enforcement officials in Washington said. A search of F.B.I. databases has so far not come up with anything, they said. They declined to reveal the gunman’s name.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 23 Oct 2014 01:16

guess we have to wait for the name to do further digging..

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 23 Oct 2014 02:08

Michael Zehaf-Bibeau is the canadian-born shooter. ISIS released his photograph as well..

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 23 Oct 2014 02:18

[Toronto Sun] INTERACTIVE MAP: Timeline of Parliament Hill shooting

1 - 9:52 AM - Ottawa police are called. There's reports of a man opening fire at the War Memorial on Parliament Hill.

2 - 9:55 AM - Parliament Hill is on lockdown.
10:02 AM - Police and ETF forces arrive on scene and rush into Parliament Hill.
10:19 AM - MPs, reporters and visitors are told to evacuate by police.
10:29 AM - Announcement that Prime Minister Stephen Harper is safe and off site.

3 - 10:30 AM - Reports that the suspect’s car, a Toyota Corolla, has been found.

4 - 10:38 AM - Paramedics start working on soldier that was shot.

5 - 10:40 AM - Ottawa City Hall enters lockdown.

6 - 10:41 AM - Police lockdown surrounding streets, pushing citizens farther away from Parliament Hill.

7 - 11:21 AM - Confirmed one shooter was shot dead at Centre Block.

8 - 12:10 PM - Another shooting confirmed at Rideau Centre Mall.

Update - Earlier reports suggested there was a crime scene at the Rideau Centre. Ottawa cops later said that there was no incident at the mall.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 Oct 2014 02:31

Dunno how legitimate this source is:
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/20 ... wa-attack/

Michael Zehaf-Bibeau is a Candian born in 1982, reportedly of Algerian descent.....Zehaf-Bibeau, 32, was raised in Quebec, according to CTV News, and was a Canadian convert to Islam, Reuters said.

twitter: Domenic Fazioli

Michael Zehaf-Bibeau's name turns up 3 times in Montreal court database. Arrested twice for drug possession in Feb 2004 (marijuana and PCP)

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 Oct 2014 02:34

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... orial.html

The government said there is not yet any evidence that Zehaf-Bibeau has any ties to violent Islamic extremism but noted that it is still early in the investigation.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 Oct 2014 02:45

This link says that Roleau (the run-over-a-soldier guy) was following Zehaf-Bibeau on twitter.
http://heavy.com/news/2014/10/michael-z ... ro-attack/

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Oct 2014 02:50

Let me repeat. UBNC was exactly on target as always.

UlanBatori wrote:IB4TL. (that's a yaaawn).
All this noise about TWO 'shootings'. Ooooh!!
On an average Saturday night, there are 7/8 in downtown Ulan Bator.
I thought there was some kind of Pakistani wedding or something in progress.

Now about PM Harper cancelling the Canadian Permanent Vija/Citjenship of Moht. Malaia:

Pls kindly read carefully the or-e-Jinnajl ishtatement of his Press(ing) Secretary Mmslle Oui-Oui on what happened, as faith-foolly reported on UBNC. He obviously had to drive home for Re-Briefing and Re-Coutouring (new pants), and then his car had to be washed and steamed and de-pakistanized. Sad, but unavaoidable.

As for the Paki Connection, don't waste time searching, as Miller-ullah told Mallory Khan at the end of Fauj 10 Phrom Dera Navarone Khan:

Patience.. Give it time... Let Nature Do Her Work

The Imam's 6th coujin thrice removed, twice with a crowbar, will turn out to be Rear Admiral of the Binori Madarssa.

Rajagopal · Post by **Rajagopal** » 23 Oct 2014 02:52

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... orial.html

The government said there is not yet any evidence that Zehaf-Bibeau has any ties to violent Islamic extremism but noted that it is still early in the investigation.

SHOCKING!! a Muslim terrorist?? How is that even possible? I could have never imagined this even in a million years.

Feeling let down that our friendly neighbors escaped being implicated in this attack.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 23 Oct 2014 04:06

This is ridiculous, gunfire in the parliament.

If it is related to Islamic agendas, they have irrevocably lost a generally liberal and accomodating populace.

CSIS and the RCMP seem to be out of their league with Sikh and Islamic terrorists. One would have hoped they would have learnt something from the attack on the Indian parliament.

An attack on any parliament of duly elected representatives is a grave matter-it strikes at the root of the nation's polity and creed. This will be dealt with harshly in Canada. It will change everything from immigration policies to human rights, equality of opportunity to foreign policy. Can't say I blame them.

saip · Post by **saip** » 23 Oct 2014 04:17

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Oct 2014 05:04

An attack on any parliament of duly elected representatives is a grave matter-it strikes at the root of the nation's polity and creed.

Oh, puhleeje! No human is expendable (pakis and ISIS-pakis are excluded from definition of humans) but given that, if one were to list value to society, I would rank Members of Parliaments at the bottom.

But u r right, just like the 'attack on the Indian Parliament' which was foiled at the extreme cost of 6 heroes/heroines, this will 'energize' as in 'tails on fire' the wastes of O2 in the Canadian Parliament.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 23 Oct 2014 05:22

I think you are missing the point, politicians may or may not be the scum of the earth but they are invested with the self-governing mechanism of a basically free people. In India or in Canada, an attack on politicians as a collective is an attack on the citizenry. Pakistan, without benefit of a functioning democracy, understood this well when it sponsored the attack on the Indian parliament, Vajpayee understood it well when he mobilised the military for a year.

We can as well.

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 23 Oct 2014 05:29

It is confirmed now. Definitely an Islamist !

My congratulations to Ka-naida !

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Oct 2014 05:52

All said and done, what happened was that a paki soosai came and killed a soldier (yes, that was terrible!). And got pest-e-sha'eeded. All this stuff about "shooting in Parliament" was just the politicians *arting.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 Oct 2014 06:18

UlanBatori wrote:
An attack on any parliament of duly elected representatives is a grave matter-it strikes at the root of the nation's polity and creed.
Oh, puhleeje! No human is expendable (pakis and ISIS-pakis are excluded from definition of humans) but given that, if one were to list value to society, I would rank Members of Parliaments at the bottom.

But u r right, just like the 'attack on the Indian Parliament' which was foiled at the extreme cost of 6 heroes/heroines, this will 'energize' as in 'tails on fire' the wastes of O2 in the Canadian Parliament.

We are infidelators, all of us, and our symbols/idols are very important to us.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Oct 2014 06:33

I would imagine countries like canada, aus, NZ do not have the fortified parliaments of india, usa, uk....soft prey for radicals to send a high visibility message.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 23 Oct 2014 06:41

^^^ Countries like Canada did not have much security in the old days... not anymore.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 Oct 2014 06:51

When this thing started - there was understandably some confusion about how many gunmen and how many places there was shooting.

But I was surprised at the lack of news thereafter. I wonder if this was a take home lesson from Mumbai where the media poured in and tried to outdo the next guy and actually helped terrorists. In the case of this Canadian event the news has consistently been very sketchy.

In fact - the recordings during the Mumbai attack revealed the voice of a Pakistan handler in Karachi laughing at reports on TV that claimed that there may be as many as 50 gunmen on the loose. Watch for about 60 seconds from the link below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUy5j ... OmkmQ#t=40

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 23 Oct 2014 06:56

Long live multiculturalism with sections of you-know-who in it. Political correctness and ostrich like behaviour can only take you so far.

saip · Post by **saip** » 23 Oct 2014 06:57

Somebody jumped the White House fence today. May not be connected, but then who knows?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Oct 2014 07:03

That was the Canadian Ambassador who had a urgent need to find a pakistan, and the nearest was inside the WHOTUS.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 Oct 2014 07:11

shiv wrote:When this thing started - there was understandably some confusion about how many gunmen and how many places there was shooting.

But I was surprised at the lack of news thereafter. I wonder if this was a take home lesson from Mumbai where the media poured in and tried to outdo the next guy and actually helped terrorists. In the case of this Canadian event the news has consistently been very sketchy.

In fact - the recordings during the Mumbai attack revealed the voice of a Pakistan handler in Karachi laughing at reports on TV that claimed that there may be as many as 50 gunmen on the loose. Watch for about 60 seconds from the link below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUy5j ... OmkmQ#t=40

The Canadians did in Ottawa what India could not possibly do in Mumbai, which is lock down the whole place.
PS: the lockdown was roughly from 10:00 AM to 10:30 PM.

PPS: you will notice that the reports from Ottawa that guns were fired in three places persisted during the day, though actually gunshots only at the memorial site and at the Parliament and not in the shopping mall. This is with one or perhaps a maximum of two terrorists. This, I suppose, is the counterpart to the "fog of war", where what actually happened is not clear.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 23 Oct 2014 07:17

White house jumper no match for the dog(s)

D.C. fire and emergency medical services spokesman Tim Wilson said a man (white house fence jumper) was transported to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries from a dog bite.
.

UB - methinks it was from "THE FIRM" trying to give summons ..(thought NaMo is still in the house)

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 Oct 2014 07:20

^^^ Dominic Adesanya, might be of Nigerian origin?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Oct 2014 07:28

Canada's joining the US bandwagon has been the cause of the attack says this journo.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 11918.html

Wednesday 22 October 2014

Ottawa shooting: Harper’s pro-US agenda has turned Canada into a target and divided society
The impact of the country’s participation in the US-led war against Isis has already been felt

The safest country in the world is no longer a safe place and many Canadians will be asking today whether this is because the Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper pushed Canada into joining the US-led war in the Middle East.

A multicultural society which prided itself on tolerance became divided when the Conservative government put a number of Muslims on a “watch list” in addition to announcing three weeks ago that it would send 600 special forces members along with fighter jets to support the US effort in their fight against Isis in Iraq. Two Canadian soldiers were hit by a car on Monday near Montreal – one of them died later. The attacker was shot dead and identified as a Muslim convert influenced by “radical Islamists”.

Canada has a large Muslim population – more than 2 per cent are Canadian citizens – but the word “radicalised” only came into use recently when the Harper government revealed it believed that about 30 young Canadians had gone to support Isis.

Then at 10am Canadian time yesterday a gunman fired shots at the War Memorial near the Parliament Hill in Ottawa and first reports suggested a Canadian soldier on honour guard was killed. The gunman entered the parliament building with a rifle where some 30 shots were heard. Harper was evacuated to safety and the parliament building was under police guard for hours afterwards. On Wednesdays, parliament is a busy place with all parties holding their caucus meetings; the building is often packed with tourists.

One parliamentary worker described the armed man as having an Arab appearance with long hair and a beard. Canadian Muslims will be among the first to express their concern if this proves true.

The Montreal attacker was identified as Martin Couture-Rouleau, aged 25, of Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu outside the city.

Canada refused to join the UK-US war in Iraq in 2003. As a bargain, then Canadian Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien offered to send troops to Afghanistan. Initially, Canadians were not told their soldiers were on a combat mission. Only when their bodies began to return home did it become clear that Canada was at war in a Muslim country. Canadians eventually forced Harper to withdraw their soldiers from Afghanistan.

Read more: • SLAIN SOLDIER and SUSPECT named
• SERGEANT-AT-ARMS LABELLED A 'HERO' AFTER TAKING DOWN GUNMAN
• VIOLENT CRIME IS MORE COMMON IN CANADA THAN YOU MIGHT THINK

But now he is sending them back to the Middle East. Canadians have been against joining wars on the basis that, historically, their country only sent peacekeepers abroad. However, Harper’s pro-American policies appear to have turned Canada – and indeed the seat of political power in the capital Ottawa – into a target. Now Canadians will not only be worried about travelling to Europe, America or the Middle East – but wondering if they’re even safe inside their own homes.

So what happens next? Will Canada’s Muslim community – which has existed for more than 100 years – now have to “re-prove” it is loyal to a country which is fighting in the Muslim world? There have been plenty of “plots” uncovered in the past – in one of which Muslim extremists were apparently threatening to kill MPs. Since 9/11, many Muslims in the country have offered to work in government security in order to prevent incidents like those this week. How long this co-operation will continue now that Canada is in action in Iraq is another question.

Nelofer Pazira is a Canadian journalist

habal · Post by **habal** » 23 Oct 2014 07:31

someone let it slip out in BBC, very quickly throttled by the news presenter, that the suspect shot dead was the son of a Federal Civil Servant.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 23 Oct 2014 07:43

Philip wrote:
There have been plenty of “plots” uncovered in the past – in one of which Muslim extremists were apparently threatening to kill MPs. Since 9/11, many Muslims in the country have offered to work in government security in order to prevent incidents like those this week. How long this co-operation will continue now that Canada is in action in Iraq is another question.

Nelofer Pazira is a Canadian journalist

a. If there were plots in the past (that were thwarted), presumably from before the ISIS days, then Canada's involvement in the fight against ISIS merely initiates more plots, it is not the basic cause of terrorism against Canada.

b. Conditional loyalty? How is that tolerable?

c. Nelofer Pazira - Afghan, born in India, escaped through Pakistan to Canada.