Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Anything to do with the Right Sector revolt against Choco pres.?

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-az ... 54902.html
Azov Battalion Commander Found Dead
Wednesday, July 29, 2015
Yaroslav Babych was found hanged on July 26.
By RFE/RL
July 27, 2015

A high-ranking commander of Ukraine's Azov battalion has been found dead in his apartment in the town of Bucha, outside Kyiv.

The press service of the Azov regiment, formerly a volunteer militia unit, said on Twitter on July 27 that Yaroslav Babych, a deputy chief of Azov's civil staff, was found hanged in the morning of July 26.

No further details were immediately available.
Investigations have been launched into the death.

The Azov Battalion was formed in 2014 to fight Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine's eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk.

Azov is now part of the Interior Ministry's National Guard.
The harsh fact is that the UKR is a basket case which given their other acute problems,the West is steadily losing interest.There is a limit to demonising Putin and Russia that Europeans will accept and the drumbeats are getting fainter by the day. A deal between the US/West and Russia is inevitable,as they they are forced to cooperate on graver crises like ISIS,the MEast mess and Iran. The huge eco downturn affecting the entire globe is also alarming for the global bankers-mostly Western,who face irreparable losses as giant economies like China begin heading southwards.Who is willing pay to sustain the UKR's profligate ,oligarch ways in the future?

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-as ... 57301.html
Ukraine As A Bargaining Chip?
A pawn in a great power game?

By Brian Whitmore
July 28, 2015
If you believe all the talk out there lately, Vladimir Putin is not only duplicitous and hypocritical -- he's also been pretty damn busy lately. Busy cutting secret deals with the same Europeans and Americans he has been vilifying for years.

And if you believe the rumors, the Europeans and Americans have also been busy selling out Ukraine to the Russians.

Not that any of this would be unusual or particularly surprising. Cynicism, duplicity, and hypocrisy are often the reserve currencies of politics, where interests tend to trump values.

There have long been suspicions out there that the United States and Europe might give Ukraine up in exchange for Moscow's support in securing a deal to curb Iran's nuclear program.

Additionally, Washington has been seeking Moscow's backing in securing a managed, orderly, and negotiated exit for Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, which would go a long way toward ending the conflict in that country.

And over the past two weeks, speculation has intensified that some kind of quid pro quo has in fact been reached with Putin. It began in earnest on July 14 when U.S. President Barack Obama praised Moscow's role in securing a deal to curb Iran's nuclear program.

The suspicion only increased two days later, on July 16, when U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland traveled to Kyiv to persuade lawmakers to include language in amendments to the Ukrainian Constitution recognizing the special status of separatist-held areas of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.

This is something Moscow has long sought, but that Ukraine had been resisting.

And the speculation reached a fever pitch when people began connecting the last couple months' data points: U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry traveled to Sochi on May 12 for talks with Kremlin leader Vladimir Putin on Iran, Syria, and Ukraine; a bilateral diplomatic channel on the Ukraine conflict was subsequently opened between Nuland and Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin; Obama and Putin had two long phone conversations, on June 25 and July 15.

Moreover, in addition to the Iran deal, Moscow also appears more open to helping broker Assad's exit in Syria, The Wall Street Journal reported.

"A deal was cut without Ukraine, and at Ukraine's expense," Andrei Illarionov, a former Putin adviser turned critic, wrote in Kasparov.ru.

Likewise, political analyst Vladimir Socor wrote that "the White House has reordered its policy priorities toward working with Russia on the Middle East, correspondingly becoming more accommodating to Russia’s position on implementing the Minsk armistice in Ukraine."

A Quid Pro Quo?

It's tempting, it's elegant, and it seems to fit. But is it true?

Asked about a potential quid pro quo in Kyiv, Nuland said it was "offensive to suggest that the U.S. does tradeoffs."

Offensive or not, it's worth asking, what exactly has Russia gained? Two things, actually -- but neither really qualifies as a wholesale sellout of Kyiv.

Establishing the Nuland-Karasin diplomatic channel gives Moscow something it has always craved: a bilateral format to decide the Ukraine crisis with the United States -- one that doesn't include the Ukrainians. It's exactly the kind of great-power politics -- where big countries decide the fates of small ones -- that the Kremlin loves.

And with all the predictable echoes-of-Munich allusions, it is also horrible optics. But in and of itself, the Nuland-Karasin channel doesn't really give Moscow anything deliverable.

The second thing Moscow has gained came on July 16, when the Ukrainian parliament passed the first reading of constitutional amendments that would grant more power to the country's regions.

After intense lobbying from Nuland, the legislation included the line that: "The particulars of local government in certain districts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions are to be determined by a special law."

This was widely interpreted as giving Moscow what it really wants in Ukraine: a dysfunctional federalized state where its proxies in the separatist-held areas of Donbas will be able to paralyze decision making in Kyiv.

The United States and the European Union have been pushing Ukraine to grant greater autonomy for Donetsk and Luhansk and the legalization of separatist forces, as stipulated by the Minsk cease-fire, before Moscow and its proxies cease military operations and pull back heavy weapons.

"Western powers are increasingly pressuring Ukraine to fulfill the [Minsk agreement's] political clauses unilaterally, without seriously expecting Russian compliance with the military clauses," Socor wrote.

But the legislation that passed its first reading on July 16 doesn't actually give Moscow anything -- at least not yet.

The amendments still need to win a two-thirds majority in parliament in their final reading, far from a certainty -- especially given the mood of the Ukrainian public, which is strongly opposed to granting autonomy to the rebel-held areas and legal recognition to their leaders.

And even then, the separate law that will determine Donetsk and Luhansk's status won't be drafted and debated until the autumn.

Moscow's Dirty Little Secret

Which effectively leaves us pretty much where we were before -- in a stalemate. Ukraine insists that Moscow fulfil the military end of the Minsk deal before it fulfils the political end; and Russia insists Kyiv deliver the political changes first.

Writing in the pro-Kremlin daily Izvestia, Russian political commentator Aleksandr Chalenko wrote that "the Minsk process is deadlocked" and Moscow should just consider annexing the separatist-held territories.

Similarly, a recent article by defense analyst Valery Afanasyev in the influential military journal Voennoye Obozreniye argued that the rebel territories should be turned into "a second Belarus...an autocratic state completely dependent on Moscow."

This could be seen as an implicit threat to annex these territories of turn them into a protectorate. But Russia's dirty little secret is that these are the last things it wants. Who, after all, would want to be saddled with the cost of rebuilding and the hassle of administering these places?

And Russia's dirty little secret is no longer so secret. It's clear to anybody paying attention that Moscow's endgame is to embed these territories back into Ukraine as a Trojan horse. And it is desperate to cut a deal to secure this result.

"As long as Putin is in Ukraine, he is dependent on others. And this dependence can be used," Ukrainian political analyst Petr Oleshchuk wrote.
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U.S. National Endowment for Democracy declared unwelcome foreign organization in Russia

The United States' National Endowment for Democracy has been declared an unwelcome foreign organization in Russian territory, the Russian Prosecutor General's Office announced on July 28.

"Russian Deputy Prosecutor General Vladimir Malinovsky signed a resolution declaring the National Endowment for Democracy an unwelcome foreign nongovernmental organization (NGO) in Russian territory," the agency said.

The activity of this foreign NGO jeopardizes "the constitutional system, defensive capabilities and security of Russia," it said.

"This decision is based on analysis of the foundation's activities," the spokesperson said.

"Using the potential of its affiliated Russian for-profit and nonprofit organizations, the National Endowment for Democracy participated in efforts at challenging the legitimacy of the outcomes of election campaigns and organizing political rallies aimed at affecting governmental decisions and discrediting service in the Russian Armed Forces," the Prosecutor General's Office said.

To that end, in 2013-2014 the foundation provided Russian for-profit and nonprofit entities with financial aid of around $5.2 million.

The status of an unwelcome organization entails being barred from transactions with financial and other assets and a ban on opening branch offices in Russia, as well as other consequences, the Prosecutor General's Office said.

The decision has been sent to the Russian Justice Ministry, as required by the law, for the organization to be put on the relevant list, it said.

- http://rbth.com/news/2015/07/28/us_nati ... 48073.html)
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lots of interesting things happening here that the article [Ukraine As A Bargaining Chip? ] mentions. I also wonder if Greece was discussed though when Kerry / Lavrov / Putin met?

the last few lines are highly debatable though:
And Russia's dirty little secret is no longer so secret. It's clear to anybody paying attention that Moscow's endgame is to embed these territories back into Ukraine as a Trojan horse. And it is desperate to cut a deal to secure this result.
those territories which aren't taken cant be embedded. Whichever way one looks. A better argument will be: Russia wants it depth and it wants these border areas under their watch and control. Besides, its a bit like creating border disputes, if there is a festering border dispute, most groups don't accept them [think SCO, NATO etc. But rare exceptions are made].
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vijaykarthik wrote: those territories which aren't taken cant be embedded. Whichever way one looks. A better argument will be: Russia wants it depth and it wants these border areas under their watch and control. Besides, its a bit like creating border disputes, if there is a festering border dispute, most groups don't accept them [think SCO, NATO etc. But rare exceptions are made].
+ 1

That is the goal of having donbas etc under Russian infulence even though part of Ukraine , should Ukraine join NATO in near future then that would be a handy tool in form of buffer zone.

Crimea provided the Russian Navy access to Medeterian sea and its interest in West Asia.

Putin is thinking how things evolve 20 , 30 - 50 -80 years from now and having Crimea , Donbass under Russian infulence or control will just make future leadership more comfortable and does not resort to short-cut/compromising measures when countries like Georgia or Ukraine may join NATO
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http://www.rt.com/news/311206-mistral-c ... lled-soon/
Mistral talks between France and Russia are over – top Russian official
Published time: 30 Jul, 2015

The two Mistral-class helicopter carriers Sevastopol © Stephane Mahe

Talks between Russia and France concerning the future of the Mistral contract have ended. The contract will be terminated in the near future, a top Russian official has stated.
READ MORE: Bigger and faster: Russia unveils designs to replace marooned Mistrals

Paris and Moscow have agreed on and amount of the penalty France will have to pay Russia for not delivering the Mistral helicopter carriers, and the date on which it must be paid, thus bringing the negotiations to conclusion. The contract will be cancelled shortly, Vladimir Kozhin, the Assistant to the President for military and technical cooperation, told RIA Novosti.

“The talks have already ended. Everything is settled – both the date and the amount of penalty. I hope that the agreement concerning the cancellation of the contract will be signed in the nearest future. Then the sum that France will pay Russia will be officially announced,” Kozhin said.

It was reported earlier that Russia and France would settle on the amount of penalty before July 10.

“The penalty amount is only predefined, as this decision has yet to be approved by the governments of the two countries,” a Russian government source told RIA Novosti.

READ MORE: ​Mistral dead end: Sources say French offer ‘totally impracticable,’ no progress in Moscow talks

The Mistral contract worth €1.2 billion that was signed by the French DCNS/STX Company and Russian Defense Export Corporation Rosoboronexport in 2011 envisaged delivering two French helicopter carriers to Russia, with the first one to be delivered in 2014 and the second one in 2015.

However, France came under intense political pressure from the US and its closest European allies following a breakout in hostilities in Eastern Ukraine after a coup in Kiev in 2014, and Crimea’s subsequent decision to reunite with Russia.

US Secretary of State Victoria Nuland expressed concern over the deal in May after US lawmakers demanded pressure be put on France to stop the contract.

READ MORE: French Navy doesn’t need Mistrals, sinking is cheapest way out of contract – media

“We have regularly and consistently expressed our concerns about this sale, even before we had the latest Russian actions, and we will continue to do so,” Nuland told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

The following month US President Barack Obama said that it would be “preferable to press the pause button” on the deal.

Though many of the workers who had built the Mistrals protested the decision, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said in November that France would not deliver the Mistrals to Russia, even if it cost the country €1.2 billion.

READ MORE: No grounds to keep Russia sanctions in place – French MPs visiting Crimea
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Interestingly, the chance of a default of Ukraine in 2015 has risen by a fair bit. Not exactly at Venezuela levels yet but for a European country, it seems a bit significant.
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http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-reports-h ... 21169.html

Ukraine 'repels' rare tank assault by pro-Russian rebels
But the rebels said Kiev's claims made no sense because Novolaspa had always been one of their frontline outposts.
"The armed forces of Ukraine simply put the village under a heavy shelling attack," a local separatist official told the rebels' main news site.
"We are on constant alert for a possible new wave of military activities," rebel chief Alexander Zakharchenko warned on Friday.
"We are ready for anything."
Poroshenko called on Monday for "urgent" new consultations between the four sides' foreign ministers about the purported rebel assault.
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Ukraine caper was to bring a rift between Germany and Russia so they don't become industrial partners.
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Ukraine claims that it repelled a tank and about 200 soldiers in Novolaspa. Strange that we don't seem capable of corroborating the evidence that Ukraine govt keeps mentioning from time to time.
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Looks like another round of fight is immenent , Ukr have gathered 90 thousand troops and 450 Tanks

Militia say Kiev forces' grouping of troops in Donbas built up to 90,000
MOSCOW, August 20. /TASS/. On Thursday, August 20 the grouping of pro-Kiev armed units in eastern Ukraine totaled 90,000 men and officers, 450 tanks, 203 salvo artillery units, and five Tochka-U missile complexes, Eduard Basurin, a top official at the Defense Ministry of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic told the Donetsk News Agency.

The troops are concentrated in four sectors - Mariupol, Donetsk, Debaltsevo, and Luhansk

"A total of five separate mechanized brigades, two separate tanks brigades, and air mobile brigade, an artillery brigade, and a salvo system brigade have been deployed ... to advance to Mariupol," the official, Eduard Basurin said. "All in all, this grouping has 22,500 men and officers, more than 130 tanks, more than 560 armored cars, fifty-five salvo artillery units, about 200 artillery guns and mortars, and about 720 antitank weapons."

According to the data available to the Defense Ministry, the pro-Kiev forces have concentrated thirteen brigades one tank brigade, one air mobile, one artillery, one salvo system brigade and two air mobile brigades in the Donetsk sector. A brigade equipped with Tochka-U tactical missiles has also been deployed there.

As many as five separate mechanized brigades, a tank brigade, three artillery brigades, and a salvo system brigade are currently located in the Debaltsevo sector. This grouping has up to 19,500 men and officers, about 70 tanks, 45 salvo artillery systems, and about 230 artillery guns and mortars.

A grouping of four separate mechanized brigades, two artillery brigades and a salvo artillery system brigade is poised to advance towards Lugansk. It has a combined 18,000-strong manpower, about 60 tanks, about 530 infantry combat vehicles and/or armored personnel carriers, 30 multiple-launch (salvo) systems, close to 230 artillery guns and mortars and more than a thousand antimech weapons, Basurin said.

Reconnaissance data available to the DPR defense officials suggests the Ukrainian Army commanders have pooled a considerable reserve of forces consisting of two tank, four air mobile, three artillery brigades, one airborne and one salvo artillery system brigade.

Kiev plans to encircle Donetsk

Basurin said earlier on Thursday that the Defense Ministry of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) has information that the Ukrainian armed forces are preparing an offensive in the Donetsk Region in east Ukraine.

"Information has been received about the plan of forthcoming actions by the Ukrainian army from a source in the Ukrainian General Staff and, no matter how strange this may seem, there are still true officers there who do not want to fight against their own people," Basurin said at a briefing in the press center of the Donetsk News Agency.

According to Basurin, the Ukrainian military will launch an offensive in the Mariupol and Debaltsevo directions after "artillery shelling of the DPR’s positions."

"Kiev plans to deliver two converging blows in the direction of the settlement of Uspenka to defeat the DPR and advance to the border with Russia and subsequently prevent civilians from reaching the Russian territory," Basurin said.

Along with this, two groupings [of Kiev’s forces] are intended to launch an offensive in the Donetsk direction north and south of Donetsk towards Ilovaisk, close the circle around the republic’s capital and encircle the city," the spokesman said.

In the Luhansk direction, Kiev’s forces are planning to hold separate combat operations against the militia of the Luhansk People’s Republic to prevent their redeployment to provide support to the DPR, the spokesman said.

"Further on, active offensive operations will be launched in the Luhansk direction with the aim to advance to the border with Russia," Basurin said.

According to the DPR Defense Ministry, Kiev hopes this blitzkrieg will help it crush the militia and destroy the Donbass republics.

At the same time, it would be nice to remind these ‘wise guys’ in the Ukrainian General Staff that the attempts to carry through such ‘Napoleon plans’ were made before but all this ended in the encirclement of the Ukrainian troops near Izvarino and Ilovaisk where a great number of Ukrainian soldiers died," the DRP Defense Ministry spokesman said.

Thousands have been killed and hundreds of thousands of people have fled Ukraine’s embattled east as a result of clashes between Ukrainian troops and local militias in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions during Kiev’s military operation, launched in mid-April 2014 to regain control over parts of the breakaway territories, which call themselves the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics.
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Russian chief security official warns Kiev against resuming warfare

http://tass.ru/en/world/815681
MOSCOW, August 21. /TASS/. Russian Security Council’s Secretary Nikolay Patrushev has warned Kiev authorities against resuming hostilities in eastern regions of Ukraine.

"Both Ukraine and the forces currently governing the country from the outside should realize that the resumption of hostilities leads to further decline in the Ukrainian economy, a greater number of hostilities, destruction of infrastructure and affects negatively the regional and international situation," he told reporters.

Patrushev noted that the Normandy Four should continue efforts on the Ukrainian conflict resolution.

"It is necessary to provide the necessary conditions for the fulfillment of Minsk agreements aimed at the step-by-step conflict settlement," he said.
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Ukies and rebels are trying for a full fledged ceasefire by Sep 1st. That's what the current plan is.

Should be interesting to see how it gets implemented.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-fitc ... 015-8?IR=T
Fitch, S&P see Ukraine debt deal tantamount to default
And S&P said its outlook for Ukraine remained negative as it "reflects our assessment that default on Ukraine foreign currency debt is a virtual certainty, given the government's stated position and the difficult macroeconomic environment," the statement said.

The painful talks lasted for five months and saw both the IMF and Washington put immense pressure on bondholders to accept short-term losses in return for keeping Ukraine's pro-Western leaders from being forced into resuming their reliance on Russia.
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^^ Not surprising there , IMF and WB are just Western Pawns and their agenda is just to further Western Economic & Geopolitical Interest , same goes for S&P Fitch etc.

Reason why we need a BRICS Bank and Rating Agency
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 80308.html

Ah. The evil far-right people causing problems for the innocent Poroshenko and Yatseneuk.
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Why did India fund IMF to the tune of half a trillion $ during MMS's time? What is India getting for that, i.e. RoI for India.
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Tuvaluan wrote:Why did India fund IMF to the tune of half a trillion $ during MMS's time? What is India getting for that, i.e. RoI for India.
Half a trillion dollar. :eek: . Certainly not that much.
I think the MMS govt only paid according to its quota. MMS did announce $10 billion contribution to the $430 billion package that was being assembled for the EU. Dunno if that materialised.
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err..yes. Did some madrassa math there with the $. It was 5000 million Rs. it looks like -- some sort of holding fund in the IMF...not sure what that means.

https://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/tad ... 2015-07-31


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Polio cases in Ukraine. Its truly becoming European equivalent to Pakistan.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... since-2010

And the visa free entry vanishes too perhaps.
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http://europe.newsweek.com/separatist-r ... ble-332397

Separatist Rebels in Ukraine's Luhansk Switch to Russian Rouble.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/s ... t-58838640

Nice sensible article on Ukraine troubles.
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Cross posted
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/ ... K120150904

Gazprom seals big gas deals in Europe despite Ukraine crisis.

All the sound and fury by Euro Peons is unable to stop Gazprom from marching on.
The second deal would double the capacity of the Nord Stream pipeline to deliver gas to Europe through the Baltic Sea, bypassing Ukraine.
Germany secures its gas. Ukraine be damned. And also Poland and the baltics.

And US feels the takleef.
U.S. energy envoy Amos Hochstein said the Nord Stream deal, just like the abandoned South Stream project, was more about politics than economics.
"It carries the risk of allowing Gazprom to cut off Ukraine," from gas supplies, Hochstein said in an interview in Washington. And if that were to happen, it would be "devastating for Ukraine and damaging to European energy security as a whole, but particularly for Eastern and Central Europe," he said.
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Kissinger on Ukraine:
http://www.nationalinterest.org/print/f ... nger-13615
Heilbrunn: How do you think the United States can extricate itself from the Ukraine impasse—the United States and Europe, obviously?

Kissinger: The issue is not to extricate the United States from the Ukrainian impasse but to solve it in a way conducive to international order. A number of things need to be recognized. One, the relationship between Ukraine and Russia will always have a special character in the Russian mind. It can never be limited to a relationship of two traditional sovereign states, not from the Russian point of view, maybe not even from Ukraine’s. So, what happens in Ukraine cannot be put into a simple formula of applying principles that worked in Western Europe, not that close to Stalingrad and Moscow. In that context, one has to analyze how the Ukraine crisis occurred. It is not conceivable that Putin spends sixty billion euros on turning a summer resort into a winter Olympic village in order to start a military crisis the week after a concluding ceremony that depicted Russia as a part of Western civilization.

So then, one has to ask: How did that happen? I saw Putin at the end of November 2013. He raised a lot of issues; Ukraine he listed at the end as an economic problem that Russia would handle via tariffs and oil prices. The first mistake was the inadvertent conduct of the European Union. They did not understand the implications of some of their own conditions. Ukrainian domestic politics made it look impossible for Yanukovych to accept the EU terms and be reelected or for Russia to view them as purely economic. So the Ukrainian president rejected the EU terms. The Europeans panicked, and Putin became overconfident. He perceived the deadlock as a great opportunity to implement immediately what had heretofore been his long-range goal. He offered fifteen billion dollars to draw Ukraine into his Eurasian Union. In all of this, America was passive. There was no significant political discussion with Russia or the EU of what was in the making. Each side acted sort of rationally based on its misconception of the other, while Ukraine slid into the Maidan uprising right in the middle of what Putin had spent ten years building as a recognition of Russia’s status. No doubt in Moscow this looked as if the West was exploiting what had been conceived as a Russian festival to move Ukraine out of the Russian orbit. Then Putin started acting like a Russian czar—like Nicholas I over a century ago. I am not excusing the tactics, only setting them in context.

Heilbrunn: Another country that’s obviously taken a lead role in Europe is Germany—on Ukraine, on Greece—

Kissinger: They don’t really seek that role. The paradox is that seventy years after having defeated German claims to dominating Europe, the victors are now pleading, largely for economic reasons, with Germany to lead Europe. Germany can and should play an important role in the construction of European and international order. But it is not the ideal principal negotiating partner about the security of Europe on a border that is two hundred miles from Stalingrad. The United States has put forward no concept of its own except that Russia will one day join the world community by some automatic act of conversion. Germany’s role is significant, but an American contribution to Ukrainian diplomacy is essential to put the issue into a global context.

Heilbrunn: Is that absence a mistake, then?

Kissinger: If we treat Russia seriously as a great power, we need at an early stage to determine whether their concerns can be reconciled with our necessities. We should explore the possibilities of a status of nonmilitary grouping on the territory between Russia and the existing frontiers of NATO.

The West hesitates to take on the economic recovery of Greece; it’s surely not going to take on Ukraine as a unilateral project. So one should at least examine the possibility of some cooperation between the West and Russia in a militarily nonaligned Ukraine. The Ukraine crisis is turning into a tragedy because it is confusing the long-range interests of global order with the immediate need of restoring Ukrainian identity. I favor an independent Ukraine in its existing borders. I have advocated it from the start of the post-Soviet period. When you read now that Muslim units are fighting on behalf of Ukraine, then the sense of proportion has been lost.

Heilbrunn: That’s a disaster, obviously.

Kissinger: To me, yes. It means that breaking Russia has become an objective; the long-range purpose should be to integrate it.

Heilbrunn: But we have witnessed a return, at least in Washington, DC, of neoconservatives and liberal hawks who are determined to break the back of the Russian government.

Kissinger: Until they face the consequences. The trouble with America’s wars since the end of the Second World War has been the failure to relate strategy to what is possible domestically. The five wars we’ve fought since the end of World War II were all started with great enthusiasm. But the hawks did not prevail at the end. At the end, they were in a minority. We should not engage in international conflicts if, at the beginning, we cannot describe an end, and if we’re not willing to sustain the effort needed to achieve that end.

Heilbrunn: But we seem to recapitulate this over and over again.

Kissinger: Because we refuse to learn from experience. Because it’s essentially done by an ahistorical people. In schools now, they don’t teach history anymore as a sequence of events. They deal with it in terms of themes without context.

Heilbrunn: So they’ve stripped it of all context.

Kissinger: Of what used to be context—they put it in an entirely new context.
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Kissinger wrote: In all of this, America was passive. There was no significant political discussion with Russia or the EU of what was in the making. Each side acted sort of rationally based on its misconception of the other, while Ukraine slid into the Maidan uprising right in the middle of what Putin had spent ten years building as a recognition of Russia’s status.
I don't which newspaper Kissinger was reading, or maybe be is being the usual barefaced liar, but the US was knee-deep in fomenting the Ukraine Crisis from the very beginning, and now there are putting on a drama of "oh, we just stayed away and did nothing". Yeah, right.
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Ramzan Kadyrov's chechen volunteers going to fight for Mother Russia in Ukraine. It is a remarkable turnaround story of how Putin has managed to pacify the Chechens. Imagine Serb Chetniks and Chechens fighting on the side. I would hate to be on the other side.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34184945
Fighting at lowest level in ukraine.
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There seems to be something happening on the Saakashvli front. There has been a petition o appoint him the prime minister. He has also picked up a public fight with the current prime minister Yatseneuk.
It seems that Yatseneuk is not going to win any votes in the next election and US is looking up to Saakashvili to maintain its hold in ukraine. Poroshenko is an oligarch and these oligarchs can change their tune anytime no matter how sweet he is singing for the yankees right now.

http://www.ibtimes.com/ukraine-new-prim ... li-2086801
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Ukraine Unable to Pump Enough Gas For Winter Into Storages on Time
Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak said that Ukraine pumped 14.7 billion cubic meters of gas out of the 19 billion needed for the winter.
“Thus, it is 4.3 billion cubic meters to be pumped over the remaining period. In our view, this is already virtually impossible to achieve," the minister said in an interview with Rossiya-24 television channel
On Friday, Novak stated that Russia could pump 2 billion cubic meters of gas in September and October to Ukraine's storages if Kiev uses loans from Europe to purchase gas.
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Trump opens his tap on Ukraine

On the one hand he says:
Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Friday that Russia had pursued an aggressive policy in Ukraine because "there is no respect for the United States."
On the other hand (he finds the below consistent with above):
The remarks were consistent with his previous comments that the crisis in Ukraine is a European problem, and that the United States should avoid becoming involved in addressing the situation. “I don't like what's happening with Ukraine," he said on Meet the Press in August. "But that's really a problem that affects Europe a lot more than it affects us. And they should be leading some of this charge."

His NATO support has long been colored by his view that it gives European countries a pathway to place the burden of international responsibility on the United States. In his 2000 book, “The America We Deserve,” Trump wrote that “their conflicts are not worth American lives. Pulling back from Europe would save this country millions of dollars annually.”
And then, he gets whole lot of respect from Ukraine:
“I was over in Moscow two years ago and I will tell you – you can get along with those people and get along with them well. You can make deals with those people. Obama can’t,” he told Fox News host Bill O'Reilly. “I would be willing to bet I would have a great relationship with Putin. It’s about leadership.”

Those remarks led one group of anti-Russian activists in Ukraine to call Trump a "Kremlin agent" and add his name to an "enemy list" it assembled and published online -- a list that drew considerable media attention in Ukraine before it was taken down.
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Talk about "biting the hand that fed it",or rather fed the world with the UKR's BS!
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/315666-poros ... urnalists/
BBC: Poroshenko bans western journalists from Ukraine
Bryan MacDonald

Published time: 17 Sep, 2015 04:07
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko © Andrew Kravchenko

Maidan is eating itself: President Poroshenko has distracted the Western media from its important role as a cheerleader for his government. Banning BBC journalists was a big mistake for the chocolate king.
Crazy rulers are not a new phenomenon. Back in the 6th Century, the Byzantine Emperor, Justin II was forced to abdicate after he began devouring people.

Then there was King Charles VI of France who refused to bathe because he believed he was made from glass.
Also, lest we forget Russia’s own Feodor I who used to wander the country ringing church bells. For fun.

Justin developed a taste for flesh by biting lesser folk while being pushed around on a wheeled throne. There is no record of the Emperor eating himself. However, Ukraine’s ‘Maidan’ government is doing this now. The coup, or ‘revolution’ if you prefer, has turned cannibal.

If you were a PR adviser to Ukraine’s leaders and they asked you to compile a list of things they must not do, banning journalists would be high up there. Perhaps even at number one. While those who understand Ukraine know that the regime is even worse than its horrible predecessor, Western media has not reported this reality. Hence, the general public in Europe and North America doesn’t have the foggiest notion. Firing cluster bombs at civilians would be prominent too. Nevertheless, Kiev has already done that. Luckily for them, the western press doesn’t seem to mind.

On Wednesday night, President Poroshenko signed a decree banning 388 people from Ukraine. That was not a major surprise. After all, the Kiev government has been jailing domestic critics for some time. Like Ruslan Kotsaba for instance. So banning a few hundred Russians and others from minor Eastern European nations like Poland or Hungary, would barely get any attention.

Why Steve Rosenberg?
However, Poroshenko included 41 international journalists and bloggers on his blacklist. They came from countries as diverse as Germany, Israel, Russia, Spain, and the United Kingdom. If they had been fringe hacks, Western media representatives in Kiev and Moscow would have merely stroked their hipster beards. A few might have even expressed regret. One or two might have made a half-hearted attempt to get a “#jesuis” hashtag going on Twitter.

Poroshenko wasn’t that smart. The billionaire president of Europe’s poorest country (per capita) decided to go for a few really big fish. Wielding his oligarchical pen, he signed a decree that included two prominent BBC journalists: Steve Rosenberg and Emma Wells. The reason? For being a “threat to national interests”.

I’ve never met Steve Rosenberg. He may be the nicest man since Gandhi. Or a bad egg. I’ve no idea. Emma Wells used to work for RT, before joining the BBC. Again, I haven’t interacted with her.

This is not the point. The fact is that Rosenberg, Wells and the entire BBC team have been more than fair to the Maidan regime. Many would say too kind altogether. While the BBC, unlike most Western outlets, make some attempts to show both sides in Ukraine’s civil war, it is pretty obvious that the network sympathizes with Poroshenko’s administration. As does the British government, with great enthusiasm. Indeed, a number of BBC employees are openly hostile to Russia. That usually goes down well in Kiev.

Take for example, BBC World Service news editor Olexiy Solohubenko. The intrepid Olexiy has been running a one-man Twitter propaganda campaign for the Maidan crew for almost two years, blocking and ridiculing critics of the coup. Strangely, Olexiy didn’t take to Twitter last night to support his BBC colleagues. On the other side of the coin, the BBC’s Fergal Keane brought guile and nuance to coverage of the Donbas conflict that beat hacks could not match in a million years.

Rosenberg seems a curious choice for Poroshenko’s conniption. He has never exhibited any signs of being particularly pro-Russian. Indeed, only 13 months ago, he was framing Russian troop movements on Russian territory as something sinister.

That white truck is a DAF commercial lorry, by the way, not a Kamaz. Also, a BBC team headed by Rosenberg were allegedly attacked in southern Russia last year.

The Spanish angle
Meanwhile, Poroshenko didn’t stop at the BBC. He also banned two prominent Spanish journalists, Antonio Jose Rodriguez Pampliega and Ángel Sastre of El Pais. Sadly, neither Antonio or Angel are likely to visit Ukraine any time soon. Both are missing in Syria, presumed captured by ISIS. Their families probably could have done without Poroshenko’s insensitivity and downright stupidity.

There are also a number of Russian reporters and bloggers on the chocolate king’s list –one that is more Schindler’s than Willy Wonka’s. The BBC’s Daniel Sandford did not seem concerned about them. In a Twitter exchange with RT’s social media chief, Ivor Crotty, he said: “it would be hard to use words “honourable” and “excellent” to describe LifeNews coverage for example.” I’m no fan of LifeNews myself but you are either for press freedom or you are not. If you are, you cannot divide journalists into different categories to suit yourself.
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hilarious
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Another hilarous one :rotfl:

Ukraine’s PM blames EU for lack of partnership over support of Nord Stream-2 project

http://tass.ru/en/world/822175
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http://www.globalpost.com/article/66568 ... ve-default

S&P declares Ukraine in 'selective default'
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http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d2d9aab8 ... z3n8b18FLG
The Netherlands is heading towards a contentious European referendum after an activist website collected enough signatures to trigger a non-binding plebiscite on the EU’s landmark integration pact with Ukraine.
People in EU are getting at loggerheads with their governments.
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http://www.businessinsider.in/The-US-is ... 174961.cms
The US is providing Ukraine with a radar system that could 'help tip the balance' of the country's conflict
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Antpq36 radars. Same ones given to pakis.

I read the ones we purchased are paper weights now due to lack of service contract and spares. $100 mil in drain.
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here's an article regarding standards of 'american training' given to Ukrainian forces amongst others.

http://cluborlov.blogspot.in/2015/09/am ... meful.html

maybe that is why 'american trained' forces in Iraq and Afghanistan melt away so quickly when challenged.
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There was a piece in today's media about US moaning that despite billions upon billions in mil aid and training worldwide in the global hotspots,the results had been disastrous.Kunduz was the l;attest example.Robert Fisk of the UK Indenendent paper has exposed the fib about "Syrian moderates",who don't exist ,paid for,equipped with milware and trained by the US and co.,who defected upon "first contact with the enemy",ISIS and sold them/handed over all the eqpt. given to them by the US! As a result,there is no serious "moderate Syrian opposition".Fighters sent in from Turkey by the CIA have either been killed,fled or defected too. So no prizes for guessing correctly what will happen or is already happening in the UKR.This report should add more fuel to the fire.
Kiev May Now Have As Many as 16,000 Armed Deserters on Its Hand

Military & Intelligence
13:44 05.10.2015
As many as 16,000 personnel from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, many of them armed, are believed to have deserted the conflict zone in Kiev's so-called 'anti-terrorist operation' in eastern Ukraine, Chief Military Prosecutor Anatoly Matios told reporters.

"We have investigated 16,000 criminal cases against deserters, who left the zone of the military operation; a significant number left together with their weapons," Matios noted, in an interview for Ukraine's TV 112.

Matios also appeared to blame the country's Internal Affairs Ministry, noting that in the course of the past year, the ministry had caught and launched criminal cases against no more than a thousand of the suspected deserters.

"In the course of a year, the organs of the Internal Affairs Ministry have not been able to find more than a thousand of them. Where did they go? They did not fly away; they went home. This means that local police are not doing their job, with their monthly salary of 2,000 hryvnia [about $95 US]. It means that the whole system is not working."

Servicemen of Eastern Corps, a special company of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs, take the oath during a farewell ceremony in northeastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv

Draft Dodgers Extraordinaire: Ukrainians Become Jehovah’s Witnesses to Avoid Conscription
Only a month ago, the Prosecutor's Office had declared that there were only 6,500 cases of desertion, emphasizing that the numbers have actually been declining through the course of the past year.

As Ukrainian media cited by Russia's Rossiyskaya Gazeta have reported, the forces most likely to desert together with their weapons have been fighters from Ukraine's ultranationalist volunteer battalions. After deserting, these individuals turn into criminal formations, using their weapons to carry out criminal undertakings in cities across Ukraine.

Last month, Colonel Alexander Pravdivets, the Deputy Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' Mobilization Department, noted that nearly 27,000 men had managed to evade conscription during the country's sixth wave of mobilization, which ended in August. This amounts to over 50 percent of the total men who were called up. Army officials explained that draftees avoided them by going into hiding, moving to new addresses, or leaving Ukraine altogether, with the total number of medical exemptions on the rise.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/2015100 ... z3nhNPS3vr
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With Europe beseiged by refugees and the UKR no longer the favoured child,rather more of an orphan these days,Chco soldier Poro has seen the writing on the wall and is retreating in true style and tactics of his US advisers! This signals the imminent end to the UKR crisis/war unless madness seizes the UKR leadership again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... efire.html
Ukraine starts pull-back of tanks in east after ceasefire
President Petro Poroshenko has stressed Ukraine must regain control of its eastern border with Russia despite an apparent agreement to push back the implementation of a February peace deal into next year

Ukrainian tanks ride from the front line near the village of Crymske in the Lugansk region
Ukraine has 360 tanks and 1,400 armoured personnel carriers currently deployed in the conflict zone Photo: AFP

By Roland Oliphant, Moscow

5:15PM BST 05 Oct 2015

Ukrainian forces have begun a pullback from frontline positions, in the latest move designed to to bring the 18-month war in Donbass to an end.

Ukrainian forces announced the withdrawal of tanks, artillery, and mortars with a calibre of less than 100 mm on Monday, following a 72-hour ceasefire that has brought fighting in the region to an almost complete standstill for the first time in a year and a half.

"Today at 11.00 (0800 GMT) in Luhansk region we began a simultaneous removal of T-64 and T-72 tanks and in some places anti-tank artillery D-48 and D-44 and ... mortars," Ruslan Tkachuk, a Ukrainian army spokesman, said on Facebook.

According to data published in August, Ukraine has 360 tanks and 1,400 armoured personnel carriers currently deployed in the conflict zone.

Mr Tkachuk said the withdrawal of equipment to at least 8 miles from the line of contact should be completed within 14 days.

Lugansk People's Republic troops near the frontlineLugansk People's Republic troops near the frontline Photo: TASS/Barcroft

The Ukrainian pullback follows a deal hammered out with representative of the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics, two Russian-backed breakaway states, in Minsk last week.

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The agreement was described by Denis Pushilin, a top separatist negotiator, as signalling “the end of the war.”

Separatists in the Luhansk People’s Republic, the more easterly of the two Russian-backed break-away states, announced the beginning of their own withdrawal on Saturday.

Eduard Basurin, a military spokesman Donetsk People’s Republic, said on Saturday that the DNR would begin its withdrawal on October 18, provided the ceasefire lasted.

Both sides said on Monday that the ceasefire was holding, reporting either no or very few violations of the truce.

The pull-back, monitored by the OSCE, is designed to create a 18-mile buffer zone between the enemies as part of a peace agreement negotiated between Vladimir Putin and Petro Poroshenko, the Ukraine president, at Franco-German brokered talks in Minsk in February.

From left: Angela Merkel, Vladimir Putin, Petro Poroshenko and Francois Hollande during an informal meeting in ParisFrom left: Angela Merkel, Vladimir Putin, Petro Poroshenko and Francois Hollande during an informal meeting in Paris last week Photo: Mikhail Palinchak/AP

Contention remains over other parts of the Minsk peace plan, however, including the question of local elections, amnesty for separatist fighters, and control of the border with Russia.

Separatists in the DNR and LNR have said they will hold unilateral local elections on October 18 and November 1, respectively, in a move that western diplomats said could torpedo the peace plan.

Mr Putin, Mr Poroshenko, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Francois Hollande, the French president, attempted to find compromise on some of these issues at a summit in Paris on Friday.

Following the summit, Mr Hollande said that elections would take place on a mutually agreed date 90 days after Ukraine passes the relevant law, and probably after the New Year.

Mr Poroshenko appeared to take issue with Mr Hollande’s comments on Sunday, when he warned that he still expected Ukraine to take back control of its border with Russia before the end of the year.

The peace process "must be completed by the end of the year. That is what the (February) agreement says and no one is making any attempts to review it," Mr Poroshenko said on Ukrainian television on Sunday night.

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"The border is a key component of our sovereignty and we are not going to compromise over it," he added.

The Minsk agreement requires Russia and the separatists to cede control of more than 200 miles of the border to Ukrainian forces the day after the elections.

Meanwhile, separatists said on Monday that they would post-pone the controversial elections if Ukraine grants them amnesty and amends its electoral law to allow separatist candidates to legally compete in its own local polls.
Ukrainian armed forces withdrawing from the frontline photographed near the village of Krymske Photo: Reuters

Amnesty for those involved in the war is a key point of the Minsk peace agreement, as are local elections held under Ukrainian law.

Ukrainian officials said there could be no talk of amnesty before the elections have taken place, however, and have ruled out any amendment to the constitution or new law for the status of Donbass.

“The need for a new law on special status of Donbas was imposed upon us [at the Paris talks],” Konstantin Yeliseyev, Mr Poroshenko’s deputy chief of staff, told journalists in Kiev on Monday.

“We denied any attempts to make a new law on amnesty. Especially the idea that such a law would include automatic amnesty for fighters of the so-called DNR and LNR,” he said.

Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said on Monday that keeping to the original deadline set in February was “secondary.”

"The most important thing is to accomplish what both sides pledged to do," he said.

Ukrainian military spokesmen said on Monday that there had been only one violation of the ceasefire since Sunday, and no Ukrainian soldiers had been hurt or killed. The Donetsk People’s Republic said the ceasefire was holding, with no recorded incidents.
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