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Great cartoons,ck the link.

http://rt.com/op-edge/262233-russophobi ... ttan-book/
Why we love to hate Russia? European writer Guy Mettan enlightens RT
Published time: May 26, 2015
Reuters/David W Cerny

Europe has manufactured an artificial "Russian enemy in order to create an artificial European identity," French journalist, politician and author Guy Mettan told RT France, speaking about his book "Russia-West: A Thousand Years Of War."

The writer said he became interested some 15 years ago in the how relations between Russia and the West had developed. During this time he has been frequently dismayed by the way Russia-related news was covered in the Western media. But it was the Ukrainian crisis that really motivated Mettan to write the book.

"When the Ukrainian crisis exploded in February 2014, I was really shocked by the way my colleagues were covering these events with a consistent anti-Russian bias," the journalist told RT France.

Anti-Russian sentiment is prevalent in the West, both in Europe and the United States, Mettan said, adding there is no such a phenomenon "in China and Japan and other countries."

"For me it is a form of racism. I believe that there is no other way to explain it," the writer said, adding he thought the roots of it were in "stereotypes that arose from the split between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. <…> This is why my book is called 'A thousand years of war'," he said.

Modern Russophobia originated in Western Europe in the 18th century, Mettan continued, saying the West became hostile towards Russia during the colonial expansion of Europe, when Western states realized Russia was "a major power" on the continent.

‘Stop blaming everything on Russia’: Heirs to 1917 revolutionary-era emigrants appeal to EU

According to Mettan, the US adopted Russophobia after World War II, but added that "today Russophobia has become essentially American."

"Once Nazism was defeated in 1945, the Americans turned against their Russian ally, which was also the case with the British in 1815, soon after their victory over Napoleon."

American Russophobia was first linked to the struggle against communism, Mettan explained, but it "continued unabated" even after the fall of communism and the end of the Soviet Union in 1991. "It consists of two forms: an ideological form around the so-called struggle for democracy and human rights and then, of course, a geopolitical rivalry, because the US wants American hegemony to prevail," he said.

READ MORE: Russia overestimated EU’s independence from US – Lavrov to French media

Speaking about the European Union, Mettan said the bloc "has no identity" and struggles to exist, especially since the integration of new Eastern European countries. Freshman EU members, such as Poland, Romania and the Baltic states, once associated with Soviet Russia, felt the need to create a new European identity.

READ MORE: Polish FM trolls Russia with V-Day insult, gets verbal volley

"And what could be easier than to invent an enemy, an opponent," the journalist said, adding that for these EU members "Russia acts as an ideal enemy" and also allows them to get support from the US military and oil lobbies.

The author said that although he had some fears of hostile reviews from other journalists who he criticized in the book, his work ended up being "rather well received." Both literary critics and the general public accepted it positively. "I realized the public was tired of the completely biased way the dominant Western media reported events related to Russia, and now [the audience] is hungry for another point of view," Mettan told RT France.
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Err Greco-Roman Western civilization has to create a bogey to survive and exist.

Perisan, Carthage, Gauls, Huns, Germans, Nazis, Soviets, and now Russians and Chinese

Lurking behind all these are the soft yogic Yindus.


This is not a Judaic meme.
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Yes, Europe's inability to define itself independent of an adversary predates X-religion.

That region has always been composed of highly violence-prone tribes, and that has always been a challenge to the dominant imperial center of that region. Hence the need for a bogeyman to bring the fractitious tribes together.
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Going by that, there is no difference in what has been done to natives of South Americas (ongoing even), and what the 'leftists'/maoists are doing in India - what with ethnic cleansing of villages and control at gunpoint. Just that in South America, there are no more enemies to defeat so such labels are absent. In India, neither nationalists nor leftist violent gunmen (called 'militants') will come out looking good, with control of territory and propaganda/image benefiting those who are behind the unrest. The Chinese are in it, too, however and are not as subtle therefore look bad when caught periodically.

There are reasons why 'international' situation in South America does not find mention in propaganda outlets, as the modus operandi will be out in open and more and more people, being aware of situation on ground, start thinking about who all are behind it. It is similar to how ISIL does not find mention in propaganda outlets. The propaganda outlets in India are not even 'expected' by usual heart bleeders to mention such issues.
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Nice interview with Military Intelligence GRU Chief

Russia's Chief Intelligence Analyst Comes Out of the Shadows
We were outplayed: “son of a bitch” Yanukovich had to be evacuated with the help of Spetsnaz and Washington placed its own “sons of bitches”?

From the strategic-military point of view, of course we were outplayed. Russia got “compensation” – Crimea. There is “compensation” — the resistance by the residents of the south-east of Ukraine. But the enemy already got huge territory, which was a part of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire.

What are we going to see in Ukraine this year?

The process of semi-disintegration or even utter disintegration. Many are still silent in the face of the genuine nazism. But people who understand the Ukraine and Russia are strongly connected didn’t say their last word yet. Not in Odessa, not in Kharkov, not in Zaporozhye, and not in Chernigov. This silence is not eternal. And the lid of this cauldron will be inevitably blown away.
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abhischekcc wrote:Yes, Europe's inability to define itself independent of an adversary predates X-religion.
That region has always been composed of highly violence-prone tribes, and that has always been a challenge to the dominant imperial center of that region. Hence the need for a bogeyman to bring the fractitious tribes together.
And ain't that so similar to Pakis !!
Is that why European countries love Pak and by implication hate India?
American reasons to hang out with Pakis are well understood.
But Europe's connivance has sometimes been more irritating for me.
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After the loss of the “Kursk” submarine, the CIA director George Tenet visited us. I was asked to meet him in the airport. Tenet was slow to exit the airplane, but the apparel was open so I could peek inside his “Hercules”. This was a flying headquarters, the operational computer center, which was full of equipment and communications systems that can track and model the situation in the whole world. The accompanying delegation — twenty people. As for us — we flew and fly regular flights, in 2-5 person teams. You can feel the difference, so to say.
^^^From the interview!
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Ukraine gone full retard appoints Georgian ex-President Saakashvili regional governor of Odessa.

He has to renounce his Georgian citizenship and is being under investigation for serious corruption allegation in his own country and had to fled to US
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With Marshal-of-the-retreat Shaky-Willy as Governor of Odessa,one can be sure of that port's inevitable fate. Break out the good vodka!
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/ ... SK20150601

Russia is involved in Ukraine war, says the UN, no doubt prompted by the country that fought against Russia on the other side, and has also installed its stooge Saakashvili to be in charge of Kyiv. You have to love it when America fights for freedom, truth, and justice, and uses the UN as its rentboy.
"It is very difficult to prove whether they are servicemen or not. That is why mostly we are speaking about 'fighters' of the Russian federation," said Armen Harutyunyan, head of the U.N. Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine.

If Moscow is proven to be a party to the war, it would drag Russia into allegations of war crimes and potentially trials at the International Criminal Court, which Ukraine's foreign minister has said Kiev wants to join.
So the UN does not see any reason to go after the Nazis in Ukraine and only see Moscow as the culprit -- can't say such behaviour is not typical of the rentier scum in the UN.
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Missile-maker could blow up passenger jet to ‘prove MH17 not downed by Russian weapon’
State arms manufacturer says passenger jet was hit with older Buk missile used by Ukrainian forces
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eapon.html
The Russian manufacturer of the Buk missile has offered to detonate one close to a passenger jet in order to prove that the company did not supply the rocket that brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine.

State-controlled arms producer Almaz Antey issued a report on Tuesday saying that the type of missile which hit MH17, killing all 298 people on board, was not in service with the Russian military but was held in Ukrainian arsenals.

Mikhail Malyshevsky, an adviser to the company’s chief designer, told a press conference in Moscow that blast damage on parts of the aircraft’s fuselage was consistent with the shrapnel packed in the warhead of a 9M38 (M1) missile fired from a Buk-M1 launcher.

Moscow has consistently tried to shift blame away from itself over MH17 after accusations that Russian-backed separatists or Russian servicemen operating a Buk launcher mistook the passenger aircraft for a Ukrainian military plane.

Yan Novikov, general director of Almaz Antey, said the 9M38 (M1) had been withdrawn from production in 1999 and not provided to anyone since, but in 2005 Ukrainian armed forces still had almost 1,000 older such rockets.

The company was ready to explode a missile beneath a decommissioned Boeing to prove its conclusion that an old one had been used, even though it would be expensive, Mr Novikov added.

“If it is necessary, we are ready to conduct a full-scale natural experiment with the participation of independent observers and experts,” he said. “That is, we will carry out the explosion of a 9M38 (M1) rocket under the areas mentioned in our report of a decommissioned aircraft of the same manufacturer.”

It was unclear if the aircraft would be in flight if such an experiment was performed.
Buk-M1 missile launcher

Almaz Antey said that its report proved the missile which knocked down MH17 could not have been fired from Snizhne, a rebel-held village in eastern Ukraine. A Buk launcher was spotted on the day of the tragedy in Snizhne according to independent investigations, and a rebel commander told Reuters last year that his men had a Buk launcher in that area.

The Joint Investigation Team which is conducting the official criminal probe into the crash has said the “focus of one scenario” is that the airliner was shot down using a Buk launcher that was seen moving around near rebel-held Snizhne. Western states have supported that theory and slapped sanctions on Almaz Antey shortly after the MH17 crash because of its alleged role in “contributing to the destabilisation of Ukraine”.

The arms manufacturer’s report on Tuesday was an attempt to refute that accusation by proving it had not provided the missile that hit the jet. It comes 10 days after the company appealed to the European Court of Justice to lift the sanctions.

Flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kula Lumpur exploded in mid-air at 33,000 feet on July 17 last year, spraying wreckage and bodies over a large area near the villages of Hrabove and Petropavlivka in eastern Ukraine, where government forces were fighting separatist rebels.

Mr Malyshevsky said that damage to the Boeing 777 demonstrated that fragments from the rocket, or “strike elements”, moved “along the airframe”. That meant that the rocket could not have been fired head on at the aircraft, as it would have been if the launch was from Snizhne.

Instead, it indicated the missile had been fired at the plane from the side because blast fragments spread at a right angle to the direction of the rocket, he added. The conclusion was that the missile had been fired from the south, beyond the village of Zaroshchenske.

Mr Novikov refused to comment on who was then in control of the area around Zaroshchenske.

Ukrainian army maps of the conflict zone from the time show that the village was under the control of the rebels, but Russia’s defence ministry disputes that.

The Kremlin is clearly keen to push its own version of the events before Dutch-led criminal investigators publish their findings.

Russian state television previously claimed that a satellite image showed the Boeing was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter firing an air to air missile. Bloggers pointed out the image was fake.

On Sunday, the Bellingcat team of citizen journalists said it had uncovered evidence that the Russian ministry of defence digitally altered satellite images which it published last summer.

The images purported to show a Ukrainian Buk-M1 missile launcher was positioned in range of the Boeing near Zaroshchenske on July 17.
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Phillip!! Try Marinka Ukraine on Google
UBC News is rushing reinforcements to Donetsk Oblast to report on the latest and most accurate.
The Spring slush has hardened, time for the vodka to start flowing.
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This was coming. The Ukbapzis are like pakis in every sense. They have been shelling Donetsk city without any reason. There is only as much control that Putin has on the Russian rebels. The rebels eventually decided that they have had enough of their city being shelled needlessly and have decided to drive the Ukbapzis far from Donetsk. The Ukbapzis, like the Pakis, are running now.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32988499
Who is now in control of Maryinka is unclear.
Earlier, a Ukrainian commander told us his troops had lost control of the town. Then Ukraine's defence minister said his forces were holding their ground.
But a rebel commander has now told us that the rebels have taken control.
The defence minister never loses any land. They dont get surrounded. And they only make orderly retreats if any. :mrgreen:
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http://www.startribune.com/2-civilians- ... 305944871/
An array of social media postings showed the aftermath of shelling Wednesday in locations deep within the rebel citadel of Donetsk.
The OSCE team also reported visiting the site of three artillery impacts in the city. One crater seen in rebel-held territory by the OSCE appeared to have been the result of a 122 mm shell. Weapons capable of firing ammunition that size were to be withdrawn from the front line under the terms of the cease-fire.
Ukrainian Security Services spokesman Markian Lubkivskyi said his agency had information four troops with Russian military intelligence agency GRU were killed in Marinka. Lubkivskyi did not explain how that information was acquired.
You read between the lines and you know what a bunch of jokers these Ukbapzis are. Needlessly shelling a populated city, getting their butts kicked and then claiming its all russians only.
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More mouth wash from Chatham House now: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32967628
As if US Secretary of State John Kerry, for example, hadn't been humiliated enough by being made to wait for two hours before his last meeting with Mr Putin in Russia, he was back again two weeks ago in Sochi.

The purpose of that trip is a worrying mystery:
◾either he was trying to negotiate a solution with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov - and there is no solution that meets the interests of both Russia and Ukraine
◾or he was putting the final touches to a shabby deal already done giving Russia what it wants

We don't yet know which.
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The current fighting has to do with the EU summit and the renewal of sanction , US/Ukraine would like the EU to keep sanction going so they raise the fight temperature.

Sanction will be extended to 6 more months for not meeting Minks obligation , once that is done fighting will reduce and life goes on.

In between if there is any EU meeting or G7 then the fighting will start a week before the event.

Looking at the way German Intel BND co-operated with NSA to spy on EU countries under Merkel knowledge , I am now dead sure Merkel is just a US stooge or been compromised by them.
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Dangerous escalation by the UKR.If they think that this is going to make Russia and Putin blink,then the choco-soldier has made his gravest mistake. Allowing foreign troops with WMDs on UKR soil could invite an all-out war with Russia.

http://rt.com/news/265093-ukraine-law-foreign-forces/
Kiev to allow foreign armed forces in Ukraine, incl. ‘potential carriers of nukes’
June 05, 2015
The Ukrainian parliament has adopted amendments to state law allowing “admission of the armed forces of other states on the territory of Ukraine.” The possible hosting of foreign weapons of mass destruction is also mentioned in the documents.

READ MORE: Kremlin: Timing of Kiev-provoked Donbass tensions linked with looming EU summit

Amendments to Ukrainian law were adopted on Thursday by the Verkhovna Rada, receiving a majority of 240 votes (the required minimum being 226). The bill was submitted to the parliament in May by PM Arseny Yatsenyuk. It focuses on the provision of “international peacekeeping and security” assistance to Ukraine at its request.

Peacekeeping missions are to be deployed “on the basis of decision of the UN and/or the EU,” the bill published on the parliament’s official website says.

Read more
Deployment of peacekeepers should be agreed with both sides of Ukrainian conflict – Lavrov

Previously, the presence of any international military forces on the territory of Ukraine not specifically sanctioned by state law was only possible by adopting a special law initiated by the president. Implementation of the new amendments “will create necessary conditions for deployment on the territory of Ukraine international peacekeeping and security” missions without the need for additional legal authorization, the explanatory note to the draft bill said.

The presence of such armed forces in Ukraine “should ensure an early normalization of situation” in Donbass, the note added, saying that they would help “restore law and order and life, constitutional rights and freedoms of citizens” in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

In a comparative table, published among the accompanying documents to the bill, “potential carriers of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction are permitted under international agreement with Ukraine for short-term accommodation,” with Kiev providing proper control during the period that such forces were stationed there.

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'There are no madmen in EU' to send peacekeepers to Ukraine – Lavrov

Implementation of the law “will not require additional expenditures from the State Budget of Ukraine,” its documents say.

The previous law also required that the length of time temporary peacekeeping forces were to be deployed in Ukraine be stipulated, while the new amendments allow an indefinite period, long enough “to achieve the goal of the stay.”

READ MORE: 'Plumes of smoke everywhere': RT crew witnesses Donetsk shelling aftermath (DRONE VIDEO)

A separate amendment banned the presence of “armed forces of states that unleash military aggression against Ukraine.” This appears to be a clear reference to the Rada’s January statement calling Russia an “aggressor” – although the body has been reluctant to approve a legally binding law saying exactly that.

Moscow denies being part of the conflict, stressing that Kiev is fighting a civil war with eastern Ukrainians, not Russian forces. The Kremlin has consistently and adamantly denied any presence of Russian troops or hardware in eastern Ukraine, pointing out that there is no evidence proving otherwise.

Read more
‘Stick to Minsk deal’: Russia slams Ukraine idea for EU peacekeepers

With violence in south-eastern Ukraine on the rise again, it is “very important to avoid any actions or steps that provoke escalation of tension,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday, as quoted by RIA Novosti. Saying that there is “no shortage” of provocative actions from Kiev’s side, Peskov said the main point is “to concentrate on implementation of [Minsk] agreements.”“This is what Moscow expects the most,” he added.

The new bill on international peacekeeping missions in Ukraine contradicts the Minsk agreements, Russian State Duma MP Leonid Slutsky said. “Minsk-2 did not provide for peacekeepers in resolution of the national conflict,” Slutsky said, as quoted by TASS.

The new legal act is “doomed for inaction,” a member of the Russian Duma’s defense committee, Franz Klintsevich, said, adding that the bill is “pure PR and propaganda.” “I cannot simulate a situation in which the United Nations will vote to deploy international military to Ukraine,” Klintsevich told journalists, as cited by RIA Novosti.

Read more
US knowingly conceals E. Ukrainian ceasefire violations by Kiev – leak

The Lugansk People’s Republic’s envoy to the so-called Contact Group on Ukraine in Minsk, Vladislav Dainego, commented that the law was adopted to “justify the presence” of foreign military that are “already operating in Ukraine.” “There are some 20,000 [troops], primarily from Hungary and Poland,” Dainego claimed when speaking to Interfax, adding that the status of those forces was unclear.

Kiev came up with the initiative to employ peacekeeping missions in Donbass earlier this year. Moscow has insisted that deployment of such forces in Ukraine would be relevant only after all points of the Minsk agreement have been fully implemented, and only if both sides of the conflict – Kiev and the rebel republics – agree to the
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Crucial meeting to discuss US led "war plans" against Russia over the UKR.

http://kdhnews.com/news/ap/defense-secr ... 72ccf.html
Defense secretary convenes meeting on Russia, Ukraine

Thursday, June 4, 2015 STUTTGART, Germany (AP) — Defense Secretary Ash Carter is summoning top American defense and diplomatic leaders to Germany Friday to map out a counterstrategy to Russia's military operations in Ukraine and reassure allies worried about Moscow's aggression.

The closed-door meeting of about two dozen generals, ambassadors and other leaders, is aimed at assessing how effective the current economic sanctions and U.S.-backed military operations have been in deterring Russia.

And Carter will seek advice on whether the U.S. needs to expand military exercises or beef up assistance to other countries in the region who watched Russia annex Ukraine's Crimea peninsula last year and worry about the threat to their own homelands.

A senior U.S. official traveling with Carter provided details about the summit on condition of anonymity but was not authorized to discuss the meeting publicly.

This is the fourth summit Carter has convened since he took the top Pentagon post in February. And it closely mirrors one he called in Kuwait during his first week on the job to assess the U.S. strategy to counter the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

The meeting comes as a major battle erupted in eastern Ukraine on Wednesday, breaking the fragile, on-again, off-again cease fire agreement carved out in February. Both sides blamed the other for the latest spike in violence.

The Obama administration's Russia strategy has come under fire from critics who say that the slate of economic sanctions have failed to slow Moscow's support for rebel fighters in eastern Ukraine. And there are also persistent questions from within the administration, including from Carter, who suggest the U.S. should consider providing lethal weapons to Ukraine to help the fight.

Pentagon spokesman Brent Colburn said Carter's Friday summit will focus on Russia's actions over the past 18 months including its operations in Ukraine. But he said other issues, including the threat of Islamic State militants in the region, are also likely to come up.

The senior U.S. official said Carter wants to hear feedback on whether allies want more from the U.S. Over the past year, as part of Operation Atlantic Resolve, the Pentagon has increased troop rotations to the region, particularly the Baltics, and also provided other military support and training. Congress provided about $1 billion for the operations designed to bolster allies there.

The official said the meeting isn't likely to produce any immediate action or decisions but will help him develop advice for the White House. The session will also give Carter a broad base of information as he prepares for the coming meeting of NATO defense ministers later this month.

President Barack Obama is planning to be in Germany this week for the G-7 summit, and is expected to urge European leaders to renew sanctions against Russia that are set to expire this summer.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin is not invited to the G-7, as part of the punishment for his country's military backing of the separatists in Ukraine
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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2015/060 ... on-Ukraine
"This is a community of values. And this is why Russia is not among us here today and will not be invited as long as it behaves aggressively toward Ukraine and other countries," he said.
"It has an impact on all countries in terms of putting sanctions on another country," Cameron said. "Britain hasn't let our pre-eminence in financial services get in the way of taking a robust response to Russian-backed aggression and I don't think other countries should either."
I wonder if there are full body shots / pics of these guys speaking. I think most of them will have wet their pants when they were giving this incredible double speak. Or is it that the one most important thing to be a West leader is to not wet ones pants when such obvious lies are put out in the media? Mmh.
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https://pp.vk.me/c622419/v622419933/320 ... dmZH8A.jpg

Ukrainian patrol boat sank in the Mariupol area - most likely cause was that it was hit by a mine placed by the
Ukies themselves, to protect from a mythical Russian invasion.
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^ its pretty interesting how Chocolate increased the intensity of the imminent possibility of a Ruskie invasion just a few days before the G-7 meet and a few weeks before the expiration of the Ruskie sanctions.

Sweetly timed. Just a few days back we also had news about a massive buildup of Ruskie arms and tanks and whatnot near the Ukraine border... and more stuff about how Ruskie soldiers are being deployed in Ukraine.

However, it also does look like the fights between the pro-rebels and the Ukies have intensified. The fog of war is pretty confusing currently with the larger picture pointing to a fair bit of West sponsored Ruskie recrimination for all their proven / unproven misdeeds.
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Austin wrote:Ukraine gone full retard appoints Georgian ex-President Saakashvili regional governor of Odessa.

He has to renounce his Georgian citizenship and is being under investigation for serious corruption allegation in his own country and had to fled to US
There is speculation that Ukraine and Moldivia will try and squeeze our the semi autonomous Russian enclave of Transnistria (in Moldivia). In this case, they would be taking on Russian peacekeepers and that would be a dangerous escalation. Chocolate probably hopes to gain from Shakashvilli's experience of 2008, since any Ukrainian action will be launched from the Odessa district.
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Yup, looks like he is going to get busy soon, leveraging from his past experience. Citijens of Odesha needs to run as far away from this guy as possible.

Saakashvili announces plans to reinforce border with Transdniestria

When you have the support of the Cartel and benefit of electronic money, which only exists in a computer as digits, why not go all in.

IMF Says It May Finance Ukraine Even If Creditors Don’t Get Paid (Bloomberg)
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Image

The friendly western media weighs in with how public in EU countries see Ruskie statecraft.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccart ... fographic/
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One more good article from ZH this time:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-1 ... m-german-b
While on the surface the European leaders of G-7 nations are all smiles in their photo-ops next to US president Barack Obama, there is an unmistakable tension and simmering resentment at the US for forcing Europe into America's personal crusades.

"Today, Europe is not independent… The US is drawing us [the EU] into a crusade against Russia, which contradicts the interests of Europe,” said the former French Prime Minister Fillon while the chief economist at Bremer Landesbank adds that as a result of US policies "unmeasurable damage lies in an elevated geopolitical risk situation for the people in the EU.”

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German Banker: Obama Is Destroying Europe, submitted by investigative historian Eric Zuesse

Interviewed on June 6th by German Economic News, the chief economist at Bremer Landesbank, Folker Hellmeyer, says that because of Obama’s sanctions against Russia, German exports declined year-over-year by 18% in 2014, and by 34% in the first two months of 2015 (no later figures), but he asserts that "The damage is much more comprehensive than these statistics show,” because those are only the “primary losses,” and there are in addition “secondary effects,” which get even worse over time.

For example: "European countries with strong business in Russia, including Finland and Austria, are economically hit very hard. These countries consequently place fewer orders from Germany. Moreover, considering that European corporations will circumvent the sanctions, to create production facilities at the highest efficiency level in Russia, we lose this potential capital stock, which is the basis of our prosperity. Russia wins the capital stock,” at the EU’s expense, even though the sanctions are targeted against Russia.

But the nub is this: “For the future, Germany and the EU place their economic reliability into question with Russia. The relationship of trust is broken by Germany and the EU. In order to build such confidence, it takes several years. Between signature and delivery are up to five years. ... Siemens is now thrown out from a major project for this reason [i.e., because the requisite predictability has been lost]. Alstom has likewise lost the contract for the railway line from Moscow to Beijing. Consequently, the potential for damage is much more massive than the current figures show, not only for Germany, but for the entire EU.”

Then, he says: "More [projects] still in planning include the axis from Peking to Moscow as part of the Shanghai Corporation and the BRIC countries, the largest growth project in modern history, the construction of the infrastructure of Eurasia, from Moscow to Vladivostok, to Southern China and India. How far the EU and Germany's sanctions-policy regarding Russia figures in these developing-countries’ mega-projects will depend upon whether we’ll be seen as hostile in other emerging countries than Russia. [NOTE from Eric Zuesse: Obama speaking 28 May 2014 to graduating West Point cadets: ‘Russia’s aggression toward former Soviet states unnerves capitals in Europe, while China’s economic rise and military reach worries its neighbors. From Brazil to India, rising middle classes compete with us, and governments seek a greater say in global forums.’ His attitude toward developing countries is clear — they are enemies, to be dealt with via the military, not economic partners to advance with us in economic cooperation.] But, obviously, there is a lack that some participants in European politics [and inside the White House!] have in their abilities to think abstractly on our behalf.”

Asked who will be paying the price for this, he says: "The measurable damage is loss of growth, in lost wages, losses in contributions to the social system and in tax revenue. This is true for the past 12 months, and it is valid for the years ahead. The people in Germany and the EU will pay the price through lost prosperity and stability. The unmeasurable damage lies in an elevated geopolitical risk situation for the people in the EU.”

Asked about the situation in Ukraine, Hellmeyer says: "It is indeed irritating. People who are focused not only on Western ‘quality media' are amazed at those media hiding the aggression of Kiev and the discriminatory laws implemented by the Government in Kiev, which constitute a serious challenge to the claim that Western values and democracy are being supported by the West. I believe, to Mr Steinmeier’s credit, that he is in fact talking plainly about these matters behind closed doors. The question is whether the behavior of the Atlantic alliance supports Mr. Steinmeier. I refer in this regard especially to Victoria Nuland. The fact is that by the coup in the Ukraine, an oligarchy friendly towards Moscow was replaced by an oligarchy now oriented toward the United States. It's geopolitics, which benefits third forces, but definitely not Germany, not the EU, not Russia, and not Ukraine.” So, he sees U.S. as having gained at the expense of every other country, but especially at Europe’s expense.

Asked about the future, Folker Hellmeyer says: "For me, the conflict has already been decided. The axis Moscow-Beijing-BRIC wins. The dominance of the West is through. In 1990 those countries accounted for only about 25% of world economic output. Today, they represent 56% of world economic output, and 85% of world population. They control about 70% of the world's foreign exchange reserves. They grow annually by an average of 4% - 5%. Since the United States were not prepared to share power internationally (e.g., by changing the voting-apportionments in the IMF and World Bank), the future rests with those countries themselves, to build in the emerging markets sector on their own financial system. There lies their future. The EU is currently being drawn into the conflict, which the United States caused because she did not share power and want to share. The longer we pursue this [mono-polar, hegemonic, Imperial, supremacist, internationally dictatorial, aggressive] policy in the EU, the higher the price [to Europe will be].”

He goes on to say: "The fact is that the emerging countries emancipate themselves from US control. This is evident in the creation of competitive institutions of the World Bank (AIIB) and the IMF (New Development Bank) by the axis of the emerging countries. This displeases the still prevailing hegemon. The current international hot spots of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, to the Ukraine, are an expression of this, in the background, as a clearly identifiable power-confrontation [between the U.S. and every other country]. If we were there intending to establish democracy and freedom, let's look at the success in achieving those goals. [His implication: it’s failure.]"

German Economic News asks: "The contempt with which the US government deals with the Europeans is remarkable, such as the NSA tapping the Chancellor’s phone, and Nuland’s famous '****** the EU’ statement. Have European politicians no self-respect, or are they just too cowardly?"

Hellmeyer responds: “The person who is a true democrat takes seriously his duties as a politician for the public’s well-being, and does not allow his nation's self-determination to be so contemptuously trampled underfoot, such as has followed from that remark. The person who is not a true democrat, has with respect to the above values and canon, severe deficits.”

CLOSE from Zuesse: Why is there not, in Europe, a huge movement to abandon NATO, and to kick out the U.S. military? Whom is the U.S. ‘defending’ Europeans from, after the Warsaw Pact ended in 1991? Why did not Gorbachev demand that NATO disband when the Warsaw Pact did — simultaneous (instead of one-sided) disbanding of the Cold War, so that there would not become the foundation for international fascism to arise to conquer Russia (first, to surround it by an expanding NATO — and ultimately via TPP & TTIP), in the aftermath? Why is there not considerable public debate about these crucial historical, cultural, and economic, matters? Why is there such deceit, which requires these massive questions to be ignored so long by ‘historians’? How is it even possible for the world to move constructively forward, in this environment, of severe censorship, in the media, in academia, and throughout ‘the free world’? Why is there no outrage that the Saudi and other Arabic royals fund islamic jihad (so long as it’s not in their own countries) but America instead demonizes Russia’s leaders, who consistently oppose jihadists and jihadism? Why are America’s rulers allied with the top financiers of jihad? Why is that being kept so secret? Why are these injustices tolerated by the public? Who will change this, and how? When will that desperately needed change even start? Will it start soon enough? Maybe WW III won’t occur, but the damages are already horrible, and they’re getting worse. This can go on until the end; and, if it does, that end will make horrible look like heaven, by comparison. It would be worse than anything ever known — and it could happen in and to our generation.

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity, and of Feudalism, Fascism, Libertarianism and Economics.




And then, here is former French Prime Minister Francois Fillon who told RT that the "US is drawing Europe into crusade against Russia, against our interests"

The US is drawing European states into a “crusade” against Russia, which goes against Europe’s interests, former French Prime Minister Francois Fillon has said. Speaking to French media, he stressed that Europe now is dependent on Washington.

“Today, Europe is not independent… The US is drawing us [the EU] into a crusade against Russia, which contradicts the interests of Europe,” Fillon told the BFMTV channel.

The ex-French prime minister, who served in Nicolas Sarkozy’s government from 2007 till 2012, lashed out at Washington and its policies.

Washington, Fillon said, pursues “extremely dangerous” policies in the Middle East that the EU and European states have to agree with.

He accused German intelligence of spying on France “not in the interests of Germany but in the interests of the United States.”

Fillon pointed out that Washington is pressuring Germany to concede to Greece and find a compromise.

He noted the “American justice system” often interferes with the work of “European justice systems.”

"Europe is not independent,” the ex-PM said, calling for “a broad debate on how Europe can regain its independence.”

This, however, would not be possible if Europe goes ahead and signs the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), a proposed EU-US treaty, which has drawn much criticism for its secretiveness and lack of accountability.

“I am definitely against signing this agreement [TTIP] in the form in which it is now,” he added.
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Why is there no outrage that the Saudi and other Arabic royals fund islamic jihad (so long as it’s not in their own countries) but America instead demonizes Russia’s leaders, who consistently oppose jihadists and jihadism? Why are America’s rulers allied with the top financiers of jihad? Why is that being kept so secret? Why are these injustices tolerated by the public? Who will change this, and how? When will that desperately needed change even start? Will it start soon enough? Maybe WW III won’t occur, but the damages are already horrible, and they’re getting worse. This can go on until the end; and, if it does, that end will make horrible look like heaven, by comparison. It would be worse than anything ever known — and it could happen in and to our generation.
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Hydrocarbons and petrodollars. Is it really a secret?
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RoyG wrote:Hydrocarbons and petrodollars. Is it really a secret?
That seems to be a superficial explanation, now that saudis are selling oil dirt cheap, and the US is losing money in shale gas production. Seems like jihadis are just a means to the end -- letting the jihadis slide does not explain why the USA wants to take down Russia by any means necessary. What the US may end up doing is lose a lot of allies and leverage in Asia and in Europe by pushing EU states to act against their own interests and forcing a head on collision between NATO and Russia.
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Thank God for Richie Haven and Woodstock! "Freedom,Freedom..."
Thos ewho belong to the Woodstock gen. will understand what this must've meant to those poor animals who God and nature have just freed!

The Dear Lord howver forbid if Gen.,Adm.Air Marshal,Governor,recipient of the Chocolate Medal of dishonor of Ukraine,Shakashvilli,returns to Tiblisi to "win" another spectacular defeat...sorry,I mean victory,in trapping these escaped animals or simply shooting them as a "great white bwana!"

For those sensitive to the supernatural,is there an omen in all this? As one who often has insights,I strongly think so.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 18664.html
Tbilisi flash floods: Lions, tigers and bears roam Georgian capital as storm hits
Seven people are reported dead and many are still missing as flash floods hit Tbilisi, Georgia. Officials have warned people to stay at home as tigers, bears and wolves escaped from the zoo and are roaming the city.

Heavy rain began at midnight on Saturday night, causing the Vere river to rush through the city, sweeping away cars and buildings and completely flooding the zoo, Reuters reported.

Lions, bears, tigers and wolves were among the many animals that escaped and were on Sunday morning roaming the streets. A dazed hippopotamus was seen wallowing in the central Hero’s square before being escorted to safety by locals, Civil.ge agency reported.

A crocodile was photographed swimming down a street.Some of the animals have reportedly been captured and killed but the capital’s police are warning people to stay indoors.
Asking for trouble,perhaps that is the intention,to drag Russia into war,with the Bilderberg Group having its secret annual meeting deciding upon world events. ISIS leaders must be hysterical with laughter!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ltics.html
US poised to move heavy weapons to Baltics

Proposal would mark the first time since the Cold War that US has stationed heavy military equipment in Eastern European states that were once part of the Soviet sphere of influence

The Pentagon is poised to store battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other heavy weapons for as many as 5,000 troops in several Baltic and Eastern European countries, to deter any possible further Russian aggression in Europe, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

Citing US and allied officials, the newspaper said that if approved the proposal would mark the first time since the Cold War that Washington has stationed heavy military equipment in the newer Nato member states in Eastern Europe that were once part of the Soviet sphere of influence.

The proposal, which seeks to reassure European allies in the wake of Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea in March 2014, is expected to be approved by US defence secretary Ash Carter and the White House before a Nato defence ministers' meeting in Brussels this month, the paper said, quoting senior officials.

Asked about the article, a Pentagon spokesman said no decision had been made about the equipment.

"Over the last few years, the United States military has increased the prepositioning of equipment for training and exercises with our Nato Allies and Partners," Colonel Steve Warren said in a statement.

"The US military continues to review the best location to store these materials in consultation with our allies. At this time, we have made no decision about if or when to move to this equipment," he said.

The Times said that as it stood now, the proposal envisaged that "a company's worth of equipment - enough for about 150 soldiers - would be stored in each of the three Baltic nations: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Enough for a company or possibly a battalion - about 750 soldiers - would be located in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly Hungary
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https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World ... rvice.ashx
Ukraine parliament sacks head of state security service
EU will extend its sanctions into january 2016
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-18/e ... 16/6554798

And the US creditors refuse to give in. They want their money. So the only people who can be sucked and will be sucked will be the Ukrainians.
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-creditors ... 08298.html
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U missed the main news from the Tbilisi floods: where is ur sense of priorities, hain?
PAKISTANI AMBASSADOR SPOTTED IN TBILISI STREET
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haha..yes indeed a Baki ambassador. Even my kids could identify easily.

Russia Reacts Furiously After State Asset Freezes In Belgium, France
Russia has reacted angrily to what it says is a decision by Belgian authorities to freeze the bank accounts of Russian diplomatic missions in Brussels and other organizations, moves Moscow described as “openly hostile” actions.....
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Tuvaluan wrote:
RoyG wrote:Hydrocarbons and petrodollars. Is it really a secret?
That seems to be a superficial explanation, now that saudis are selling oil dirt cheap, and the US is losing money in shale gas production. Seems like jihadis are just a means to the end -- letting the jihadis slide does not explain why the USA wants to take down Russia by any means necessary. What the US may end up doing is lose a lot of allies and leverage in Asia and in Europe by pushing EU states to act against their own interests and forcing a head on collision between NATO and Russia.
US losing money is a small price to pay. The Saudis are selling oil dirt cheap to boost exports and wean people away from Russian oil. This has two objectives:
1) It keeps the petrodollar recycling intact
2) It hurts the Russian economy because they need to price at >= $100/barrel.

The main objective of the US security establishment and FED is to keep the NYMEX and IPE system intact and prevent a GCC move toward adopting an alternative invoicing system. The SCO has begun doing that and are trying to make security guarantees to EU and GCC states beginning with Iran in a bid to slowly collapse the dollar.

NYMEX/IPE and US military are the only thing keeping the dollar afloat. NYMEX/IPE is the soft underbelly which makes it a juicy target.
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Putin had half day long meeting with visiting Saudi Crow n Prince. Foreign Minister AbdalAljubeir tweeted today.

I expect God to visit results in the near future on achieving tangible progress in many areas of mutual cooperation between the two countries
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dupe
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 731575.cms
100 Indian students refuse to leave Ukraine
Ukraine has officially told the Indian embassy in Kiev that the "government can't guarantee their safety as they are behind the frontline". The government has also written to the Indian embassy informing them that the degrees of all the Indian students who continue to stay on in Donetsk and Luhansk universities will not be recognised.
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-off ... 1434718384
Ukraine offers creditors 'last chance' to reach deal over debt
Kiev says it will stop servicing its $23bn debt unless progress is made in restructuring talks with foreign bondholders soon
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http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-parliamen ... 09189.html

The entire story about the firing of the SBU chief. It is most interesting. :)

http://rt.com/business/268219-shell-ukraine-shale-gas/
Shell withdraws from shale gas project in eastern Ukraine
Media reported earlier that Royal Dutch Shell suspended exploration of shale gas in eastern Ukraine because of fears for the safety of its personnel.
Shell said it “has been prevented from performing its commitments under Yuzivska [production sharing agreement] for an extensive period of time due to force majeure, ie circumstances beyond Shell’s control,” FT reported.
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Russia, China do not create military blocs — Putin

http://tass.ru/en/russia/802428[quote]

Russia and China are by no means creating any military blocs against any other country, Russian President Vladimir Putin said, as he answered questions at the full-scale meeting of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum on Friday.

"Russia and China never build relations that may antagonize others," Putin said. "We never create alliances ‘against’ somebody. We are in the process of building an alliance "for" safeguarding our national interests," Putin said.

He asked the audience to remember that NATO had been created as an opponent of the Soviet Union, but when the latter broke up, the alliance did not cease to exist, but continued to expand.

"China and Russia are not creating any military blocs," Putin said. "You are. We have no bloc mentality stereotypes. We have been doing our utmost, and, as far as I understand, with success, to think globally, to share responsibility and to achieve mutually acceptable solutions and compromises."

"We have never acted from the positions of strength. We have always looked for solutions to be achieved through a negotiating process.[/quote]
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