Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 28 Jul 2015 17:12

Sober article from DAWN on ground situation in Pakistan!

Political chessboard
DR NIAZ MURTAZA — PUBLISHED about 11 hours ago

PAKISTANI politics has changed dramatically recently. In 2014, the conservatives were badly fractured, with Pakistan’s three biggest conflicts raging among social, political and economic conservatives (PML-N vs. the army; the army vs. TTP; PML-N vs. PTI).

Since then, the army has largely vanquished the TTP and tamed the PML-N. Nawaz Sharif, who famously refused dictation in 1993, is accepting dictation today. The PTI-PML tussle has ebbed. Thus, Pakistani conservatism has become far more cohesive today — under army leadership as in the 1980s. Rawalpindi, Aabpara, Raiwind, Muridke, Akora Khattak, D.I. Khan and perhaps even Jhang are cooperating, with Bani Gala and Mansoora waiting wearily for a nod from Rawalpindi.

Conservative parties like the PML-N, PTI, JUI-F and JI won 90 per cent plus of Punjab and KP’s national seats. Centrist parties like the PPP, MQM, NP and PkMAP won 80pc plus of the national seats in Sindh and Balochistan. Except Karachi, poverty in Sindh and Balochistan is higher than in Punjab and KP. Punjabi, Pakhtun and Hazarawal elites dominate Pakistan’s politics, military and bureaucracy while southern Sindhi, Mohajir and Baloch groups remain marginalised there.

Travel from Islamabad to Peshawar, Abbottabad, Faisalabad and Lahore can be done easily within a few hours mostly on good motorways whereas travel to Karachi and Quetta depends on unreliable PIA flights. This geographical distance creates mental distances too. Thus, there is much greater cohesion and interaction among northern elites and masses while southern elites and masses are less powerful and also highly divided.

Tensions have increased between northern and southern elites.
Cushy jobs, lucrative contracts and profitable permits flow much more easily among northern elites compared to southern elites. The electoral competitiveness federally of the PPP-led centrist coalition till recently provided some sense of political inclusiveness to southern groups. But with the PPP’s decline federally, the chances of southern centrist parties coming to power centrally soon are non-existent. American conservatives dream of a permanent conservative majority; Pakistani conservatives have already achieved it.

Of late, tensions have increased between northern and southern elites. The army had already been fighting Baloch militants for over a decade. Now, it is also targeting leading Sindh-based political parties, seemingly beyond targeting corruption and violence. With a second strong conservative party having emerged for the establishment to play off against the PML-N, the centrist PPP and MQM have lost their political value for it, and can now be squeezed.

Perhaps more common than battles between right and wrong in life are dilemmas creating battles between two rights or two wrongs. There is firstly the undeniable wrong represented by the PPP’s monumental incompetence and corruption and MQM’s violence. However, most Sindhis and Mohajirs still support them. Ethnic groups in KP and Punjab higher up in the pecking order in the federation support parties promise narrow, technically-defined good governance which ignores ethnic and class inequities underpinning the federation.

Those in Sindh and Balochistan rightly recognise that improvements in their group pecking orders will provide greater pay-offs to them than this narrowly-defined good governance. They support the PPP, MQM and nationalist Baloch parties, which champion ethnic rights. In reality, the promises of all parties are largely false.

The second, equally undeniable wrong is represented by those who control and perpetuate an inequitable federation and who are now aggressively targeting all southern ethnic representative groups. Who should one oppose in this battle of two wrongs: both or the greater of the two wrongs? The latter, according to Italian Marxist thinker Gramsci, are those controlling the rules of the overall unjust system rather than those scavenging its corners for personal benefits. Those controlling systems can set rules which enrich them, without committing crude and visible corruption. Those scavenging the system can only do the latter.

There is, of course, the third alternative where both the federation’s inequities and corruption and violence are addressed together. However, such superior alternatives do not germinate easily in conservative minds given the fundamental intellectual coordinates of conservatism: parochialism, greed, limited perspectives and dubious ethics.

While this north-south divide in Pakistan will never reach the epic proportions of the East-West divide earlier, given geographical proximity and internal southern divisions, it may continue plaguing Pakistan in the future. However, if history is any guide, this latest attempt by Pakistan’s conservative establishment to subjugate weaker groups — under the glossy and seductive cover of targeting corruption and violence — will likely fail too.

The writer is a political and development economist.

murtazaniaz@yahoo.com

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Jul 2015 17:16

^^

I want US to reduce its tensions with NK & ISIS. One of these days I hope GOI will respond to GOTUS that instead of wanting, US should work towards reducing indo-Pak tension by stopping aid, support & space for Terrorist state of Pakistan.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 Jul 2015 17:20

RamaY wrote:JEM garu

Many apologies Saar. Didn't realize Steve Job's ghost will stab my back like this

Ah of course, I should have realised, bloody autocorrect... Major problem with iphone/ipad this...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Jul 2015 18:38

Another Praveen Swami like toadie, "talks must go on", "international community wants India to be a responsible state", and other puke worthy nonsense

http://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/ ... 73810.aspx

Praveen Swami list a host of reasons on why TSP pigLeTs cross over, the one that takes the cake is is our police are careless; maybe so, but the most important and pivotal reason is that TSP is a terrorist state intent on destroying India through Islamic terror, and no f%^&*$g pseudo secular can bring themselves to say this.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 28 Jul 2015 18:46

Nawaz needs to get ready for Kargil-2 now that Army has an alternative ready in Immy. This time instead of Bobby they could have Immy do the honors. It is for India to watch out for tell tale signs of Kargil/Mumbai to ensure the same incident does not happen again....However I think Modi should visit Pak while ensuring hardline stance on border.

The situation will be like a pressure cooker in Pakistan by end of year/before SAARC meeting in Feb 2016

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 28 Jul 2015 20:56

Imran Khan Cannot Be A Lee Kuan Yew Of Pakistan As He Suffers From Fascistic Tendencies - Plain Advice To Kaptaan By A Veteran Paki Diplomat

The future for Imran

IF the political credibility of Imran Khan has been permanently damaged by the judicial inquiry commission’s report, it is not good news for Pakistan.

There will be no short-cuts or cost-free and pain-free options. Is he a serious enough leader to ‘walk his talk’?

However, if he is honest [*] but lacks other necessary qualities such as wisdom and sagacity, honesty alone will not suffice to make him successful.

[*] financially, maybe yes; but intellectually

Imran Khan is said to have many heroes. One of them reportedly is Lee Kuan Yew. How much does he know about him?

Is Imran Khan even aware of the need to equip himself for the task he has set himself? The jury is out.

Imran must also get rid of the political confusion that surrounds him. He seems to have no idea of what the politics of ‘the left’, ‘liberalism’ and ‘secularism’ mean. Yet he is unrestrained in his criticism of them.

But Pakistan requires a restructuring of its entire architecture of power, influence and authority to launch itself on a national transformation path. Without such a transformation, plans for becoming a strategic partner of China are just pie in the sky. Can Imran begin to champion national transformation and all it entails? If so, his current discomfiture will be fleeting.

Imran Khan, A.K.A The Kaptaan, is basically a closet Islamist and a poster - boy for the Paki - Fauj ; because of his so-called international famousity, he will project a 'good image' of Pakistan (similar to B.B. being 'first woman PM of an Islamic Nation )

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 28 Jul 2015 20:58

Nawaz inviting Modi for SAARC was to cock a snook at the army. Gurdaspur incident was supposed to be Kaluchak - 2 had the terrorists stopped the bus.

If Modi comes to Pakistan, it will be a slap on the establishment's face. India should play along.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 28 Jul 2015 21:25

U.S.Congressmen Grilling

Results In $ 336 Million Salary Paid To Pakistan By U.S.A Taxpayers!

Pakistan gets $336m in Coalition Support Fund, foreign reserves climb to $19bn[*][/b]

[*] Respite for a few months until the next (begging -bowl

) trip to Massaland

The injection of cash, which comes as the Taliban[*] steps up its annual summer offensive launched in late April, has helped Pakistan's foreign exchange reserves reach a fresh high of about $19 billion, State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) officials said.

[*] running with the hares and hunting with the hounds?

Pakistan provides use of its air bases and other facilities in exchange for the reimbursements.[*]

[*] Further confirmation that this artificial entity is a rentier state and talks of sovereignty is all hocus- pocus

Now that the moolah has arrived from Uncle , gleeful Jairnails and other Paki elites can still make plans and requisition the Paki National Airline for Europe/ US trips for their extended families !

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 28 Jul 2015 21:39

Paul wrote: If Modi comes to Pakistan, it will be a slap on the establishment's face. India should play along.

What exactly is this "slap in the establishment's face" get for India in real terms? And why is putting the PM's life at risk acceptable for such a "slap in the face" (for which "establishment" exactly)..... assuming the paki scum are actually divided in how they view India, which is very much in doubt, if one is actually following the people and events in sh!tland on these threads.

Nawaz funded the LeT willfully when he presented the paki budget as soon as he came into power, so why all this pretense about internal divisions that essentially do not matter as far as India is concerned?

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 28 Jul 2015 21:51

Before Modi makes any trip a payback with massive interest is needed first. Heck the whole SAARC summit can be moved away due to the situation in porkiland.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 28 Jul 2015 21:53

I am not saying Modi should go to Pakistan, but Nawaz inviting him and Modi accepting has opened the possibility for another coup in Pakistan. Nawaz does support LET but the divide between him and army is for real and should be exploited. As AS Dulat said in his book, this is one area where Pakis score over us. They do not cease to open contacts even if he is a kattar Indian, India should do likewise

More importantly Pakis will try to provoke India thru terror attacks in the coming months, Kargil -2 seems unlikely as all regions upto Indira col in SIachen are covered 24/7

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 28 Jul 2015 22:46

Why there seems to 'NS is shareef' meme in this STFU-P thread. He is as much a Islamist as Hameed Gul or Immy or Jinnah was.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 28 Jul 2015 22:47

Paul wrote: Nawaz does support LET but the divide between him and army is for real and should be exploited.

Just because a divide exists does not mean it is exploitable, as enshrined by the fractal-sounding saying (what seems to me as "universal") "me against my brother, me and my brother against the family, family against the village...etc. etc.". It would be surprising if AS Dulat actually justified his stupid generalization/claims with some reasoning as to how he hopes to "exploit the divide" between an fractious political dispensation and a well-armed and united army, both groups unite when it comes to (a) exploiting the large underclass of the country to go to and get killed in pursuit of Cashmere/ummah/whatever, or (b) sworn to destroy India.

Their only differences are on who should be controlling whom, and the army is always guaranteed to win any battle between the groups. When it comes to India, neither side will work against the other side, as should be obvious by now, after decades of watching that wretched sh!thole to the west.

Even if India "exploits" any such fault line -- the maximum effect it can have is the army getting back in the driver's seat after another coup...and the army is smart enough to tolerate whatever dispensation is in place in the political/civilian end, until the point they can shoot the politician and hose down the crime scene and replace the political leadership with someone more pliable. IMO, neither of these outcomes are anything to write home about -- they have happened a dozen times before and India has not benefitted...you would think someone in charge of RAW would figure out such obvious things, but apparently not.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 28 Jul 2015 23:16

Paki High Commissioner Refused Permission To Enter Punjab By Indian Government

NEW DELHI: Pakistan's High Commissioner to India Abdul Basit has cancelled his official two-day visit to the Indian city of Chandigarh due to security reasons .

“Chief ministers of Punjab and Haryana have refused to host the Pakistani high commissioner after yesterday’s incident in Gurdaspur,” said a source at the Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi.

The development comes after a ~~militant~~ Paki terrorist attack[*] on an Indian police station in the state of Punjab which killed 10 people yesterday.

[*] right action by the Punjab/ Indian Government

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jul 2015 23:43

Above news story is wrong facts.
Punjab Uty cancelled the function as part of seven day mourning for Former President Kalam's death.
When function is cancelled no point in the HC visiting the state.

Pak HC is lying as usual.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 28 Jul 2015 23:44

Pakistan Moves Forward :

Bans The Sale Of Cordless Phones !

SLAMABAD (Web Desk) – Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) has placed a ban on sale of Dect Sip cordless phones on Tuesday, reported Dunya News.

According to a declaration issued by PTA, cordless phones use mobile spectrum authorized by phone licenses which[*] decrease the
quality of mobile for consumers.

[*] Is this the real reason for the ban ?

just wondering

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Jul 2015 00:04

10,0000 Karachi Land Transactions Being Investigated By F.I.A - Due To Corruption Allegations

FIA Karachi seizes 10,000 China-cutting[*] files[/b]

[*] Sub Division and Reverse Sub Division

China-cutting has been a major issue in the city and the investigations of the people involved in the scandal[*] have been expedited, the Dunya TV reported.

[*] Would not be surprised if MQM and PPP supporters are the main target

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Jul 2015 02:15

Pakistan's I.S.I Not Successful

In Illegally Tapping Into Undersea Internet Cables Passing Through Karachi Port - Privacy International (UK)

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 29 Jul 2015 02:23

response to a post on the Gurdaspur terrorism thread that proclaimed that Musharraf was speaking "the same language as India and reversed militancy"...leaving aside the fact that Musharraf is a first rate liar and a narcissistic jackass of the highest order.

Sid wrote: Only way to stop all this [terrorism in India] BS is to make the top brass at GHQ work for you. Unless the head talk the same language as you do, there is no solution.

You mean like how the americans have managed to get Paki army to "work for them" so far, where the americans have paid through the nose to the pakis for zero results.

Mushy was one person who started to talk the same language as we did after existential threats from US. He literally reversed the course on lot of militancy related activity.

This canard is repeated by the Pakis ever so often but all of this "mushy started talking the same language as us" is after Kargil and after his debacle at Agra, which was followed shortly by the Kandahar hijacking, all with Mushy as COAS. So what is the basis for making claims like the above? The only BS that americans were spreading around that time was "Enlightened Moderation" and EnMo policies that apparently "reversed militancy" and it all turned out to be a bunch of bollocks, as these militants of all shades were all alive, well and flourishing by the time Kiyani took charge.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 29 Jul 2015 02:26

Falijee wrote:
[*] Is this the real reason for the ban ? just wondering

Yes, seems that way. Paki cell phone network operate in the
1.8 and 2GHz range

http://www.spectrummonitoring.com/frequ ... l#Pakistan

and the sip cordless phone operates at 1.92-1.93GHz, and their cellphone towers must be crappy enough to not operate well in the face of interference from the cordless phones (or operating at 1.9GHz instead of the advertised 2GHz).

http://www.cloudconnectphone.com/pdf/pa ... ochure.pdf

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 29 Jul 2015 04:36

Peehad and more Peehad.
Flashback to a darker time through print ads that ran December 14-18 1971 in the Dawn newspaper.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Jul 2015 05:19

Indian Investigators Announce That Gunmen Who Carried Out Punjab Attack Were Muslims.

DINANAGAR: Three gunmen who fought a 12-hour battle on Monday near the Pakistan border were Muslim, the Punjab police chief said on Tuesday, contradicting speculation [*]that the attack may have been carried out by Sikh separatists.

[*] The so - called speculation was

Paki propoganda

“The inspection of the bodies [*]shows that the assailants were Muslims,” said Sumedh Singh Saini, director general of police in the northern state, speaking to reporters at the police station that came under attack.

[*] Pretty hard to hide the tell-tale signs unless you chop off the vitals!

Saini did not elaborate why police concluded the gunmen were Muslim [*]and declined to confirm whether or not they were from Pakistan,[*][*] as some Indian security sources had suggested.

[*] Does he have to go into the nitty -gritty of the investigation ?

[*][*] He is trained enough not to jump the gun, unlike the Paki Police of Krachi who announced MQM detainees as RAA agents

“They had even gone to the lengths of removing the identifying marks on their weapons,” Saini said.

No change in Modus Operandi

Pakistan issued a statement on Monday condemning the assault and extending condolences to the government and people of India.[*]

[*] But then, this is standard diplomatic behaviour between countries[/b]

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Jul 2015 05:38

Pakistan Cricket Board Ex Chairman Peeved at B.C.C.I

PCB’s ‘pleasing BCCI’ policy giving Pakistan nothing, says Zaka

LAHORE: Denouncing the current Pakistan cricket regime for what he calls its policy of “pleasing the BCCI” and getting nothing in return, Zaka Ashraf strongly believes the PCB should have appealed the International Cricket Council (ICC) in the Mohammad Hafeez bowling action case.

One (Indian ) Reader's Comment says it all :

Unprofessional comments by Zaka. Better open your own lab in Pakistan and clear your cricketers. It was your board which decided to send hem to Chennai and not BCCI. If you are so apprehensive, why not sending them to Australia or South Africa? You will not because sending them to Chennai and having them failed suits your conspiracy theory well and sells well among Pakistani audience.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 29 Jul 2015 07:06

RajeshA wrote:Land for Terror

After every terror attack, Pakistan must lose some territory! It is the only way of stopping terrorism!

Why do Pakistanis behave so irrationally? To know the answer, just look at the map:

That explains everything about why Pakjabis are creating problems in J&K and Punjab. So, what is the solution?

From pakjabi perspective, the solution is: create a buffer zones between Bhaarath and Pakjab.

Thats their solution. They have already managed to create one buffer zone named POK.

What is our solution?

I think our solution should be:
Occupy Lahore, Islamabad and Rawalpindi. Particularly, Lahore. Lahore is less than 25 Kms from international border.

Bhaarath should finish the job that it left unfinished in 1965. This year is the 50th year of 1965. This is a good time to take up this task. And finish the job.

I think Bhaarath should occupy Lahore and keep it under occupation for atleast 2 weeks regardless of any pressure. Then the whole edifice of Pakistan will vanish.

The way Pakistan has been created, it simply cannot exist in a stable manner. It is too big to be subservient. And it is too small to be dominant. Different groups are forced to be together on the strength of a gun. All these groups will get the chance to declare independence if the lahore falls. Dhaka fell and Bangladesh was liberated. Lahore fall and rest of the bakistan will be liberated.

Either Bhaarath enforces its solution or waits for Pakistan to enforce its solution.

Bhaarath should stop fighting Pakistan in Kashmir, it is a waste of time and effort. Pakistan has nothing to lose when it fights in Kashmir and everything to gain. Bhaarath should stop fighting Pakistan in any other place. The only place where Pakistan should be fought is: Pakjab. Take the fight to their home. And I am not talking about covert action. I am talking about overt military occupation.

Bhaarath's war doctrine against Pakistan should be: Occupy Lahore, Islamabad and Rawalpindi and keep it for 2 weeks.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 29 Jul 2015 07:38

^^^Given, the above conditions, it seems that Pakjabis are acting very rationally. It is Bhaarath which is acting irrationally.

Lets look at the actions of Pakistan:
They realize that their important cities are too close to Bhaarath. First, they try to put some distance between Bhaarath and Pakjab by taking a few border areas of Bhaarath. They use both regular or irregular forces. It partly succeeds in 1948 when part of Kashmir comes under their control. They repeat it in 1965. But, this time, Bhaarath comes for Lahore(jugular vein). And Pakjabis lie low, it only strengthens their fears that Bhaarath can simply come for Pakjab(jugular vein) anytime it wishes.

After 1971, they realize that they cannot defeat Bhaarath in direct military confrontation. Bhaarath is simply too big for them. But, they still want to get some distance between Bhaarath and their important cities. How do they do it?

And this question becomes even more important for them after 'Smiling Buddha'. They are obsessed with strategic depth after Buddha smiled.

The plan is still the same: create buffer zones in Bhaarath's border areas adjoining Pakjab. Earlier, it was only limited to J&K. Now, with Bhaarath's missile capabilities, they want a buffer in Bhaarath's Punjab also. They can't defeat Bhaarath militarily and take J&K or Punjab from Bhaarath. So, they switch to covert action and support for insurgency in J&K and Punjab.

All this shows that Pakjabis have been very rational. Not ethical maybe. But, definitely rational.

Lets look at the actions of Bhaarath:
Here is a huge country surrounded by puny neighbours. Most of these neighbours are utterly dependent on Bhaarath for everything. Pakistan is supposedly the arch-rival of Bhaarath. And yet, that Pakistan's jugular vien(Pakjab, particularly Lahore) is right in the arm's length of Bhaarath.

If Bhaarath was a rational player, then it would do everything to go and occupy Lahore if not entire Pakjab. But, what does Bhaarath do?

Everytime, Bhaarath fights wars in all other places except Pakjab. The only time, it fought in Pakjab was in 1965. And even at that time, Bhaarath didn't take Lahore. And Lahore is just 25 km away from international border.

Pakistan continues to torment Bhaarath by creating all kinds of insurgencies all over Bhaarath. Yet, Bhaarath doesn't seem to have the brains to do the straight-forward rational thing.

After 1998, nukes are trumpeted as the reason for such lack of rationality. But, what was the reason before?

I think that Bhaarath has acted very irrationally. Some like to justify this irrationality as morals or ethics. But, a good idiot is still an idiot.

I think if Pakistan had nuclear weapons or even missiles, then they would have used it in Kargil situation. If they had used missiles or nuclear weapons during Kargil situation, then they would have been able gain entire Kashmir. I think Musharraf's plan was very good if they really had nuclear weapons or even missiles. I think Musharraf's plan failed because he later came to know that they don't have working nukes or working missiles.

If thats the case, then we are lucky. And Bhaarath should immediately finish this nonsense and act rationally. That means occupy Lahore.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 29 Jul 2015 08:01

Whatever you gain in territory you'll never let it go again.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
India's neighbour need to be the Persians or the Parsis. That's how it used to be and that's how it will be.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jul 2015 08:06

http://tribune.com.pk/story/928460/lej- ... encounter/

MUZAFARGARH: An alleged police ‘encounter’ in Muzaffargarh early on Wednesday morning left at least 14 suspected terrorists dead, including chief of the banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), Express News reported.

According to initial information, LeJ chief Malik Ishaq was being taken for identifying some weapons when the encounter took place. He, along with his two sons Usman and Haq Nawaz were among those killed in the suspected encounter. Ghulam Rasool of the LeJ and his two sons were also killed.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 29 Jul 2015 08:39

^^^ JohneeG garu, in your post above the last one - you have missed Jammu / Pathanot - Sailkot.

Jammu to Sialkot is 43.4 kms road distance.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jul 2015 08:47

Tarek Fatah ‏@TarekFatah 2h2 hours ago

Islamic State #ISIS document found in #Pakistan seeks Islam's apocalyptic war with US, but by first attacking #India. http://usat.ly/1SbXZy9

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Jul 2015 09:00

Malik Ishaq getting killed is HUGE news. Either TFTAs have considered him to be dispensable or he was nailed by his Shia enemies.

All in all, expect a round of bloodletting.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jul 2015 09:10

^
Isn't that going to create trouble in pakjab? Wonder what made good/bad Sharif to that.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/928460/lej- ... encounter/
LeJ cheif Malik Ishaq killed in police encounter in Muzaffargarh

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Jul 2015 09:31

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

Reuters via NDTV reports that Gurdaspur attack Identified as a Mohammadden Terrorist event presumable on account of missile being found to have jettisoned heat shields.

Sumedh Singh Saini, Director General of Police in Punjab:

Terrorists in Gurdaspur Attack Were Muslim: Police ……………………….

"The inspection of the bodies shows that the assailants were Muslims,"

More on the Mohammadden identity of the Terrorists from Hindustan Times which besides mentioning that terrorists were uncircumscribed also talks of body hair being shaved, a practice followed by Mohammadden suicide attackers :

Gurdaspur attackers in early 20s, had trimmed beard, shaved chest, GPS devices ……………………..

Three heavily armed terrorists behind Monday’s audacious attack in Gurdaspur district were ostensibly Muslims, said official sources ……………………….

“The gunmen, in their early 20s, were found to be circumcised and had their chests shaved and beards trimmed. In most of the previous attacks we have found suicide or fidayeen attackers shave their chest before embarking on suicide mission,” said a senior government functionary who was involved in the operation to neutralise them. …………………………..

Also, when Punjab Police cornered them, they were repeatedly heard raising slogans such as “Allah-hu-Akbar” and “Pakistan Zinbaad”.

“The gunmen had two global positioning system (GPS) devices to help them move towards their intended locations. Tracking of these GPS devices has clearly indicated that the terrorists came from the Pakistani side towards Pathankot, said a senior police officer.

“This is first time that terrorists after sneaking in from Pakistan in Jammu area have come towards Punjab. There is heavy police bandobast in Jammu and Kashmir due to the annual Amarnath Yatra. That might be the reason they may have come down to bordering district in Punjab,”

Origin of Mohammadden Terrorists that attacked Gurdaspur using GPS data tracked back to our Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Western neighbor the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Gurdaspur attack: Terrorists from Pakistan crossed Ravi river

habal · Post by **habal** » 29 Jul 2015 09:33

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 29 Jul 2015 09:35

deejay wrote:^^^ JohneeG garu, in your post above the last one - you have missed Jammu / Pathanot - Sailkot.

Jammu to Sialkot is 43.4 kms road distance.

No, Deejay saar, I didn't miss it. I was concentrating on tier 1 cities. And particularly on Lahore. Lahore is the centre of gravity for Pakjab. And Pakjab is the centre of gravity for Pakistan. Lahore falls, then Pakistan breaks. Its that simple. Longer the route, more chances for the enemy to mount resistance. So, shortest route is the best thing in such scenarios. Wagah border seems to be the shortest way to enter Lahore from Bhaarath. Maybe air-dropping can also be used if the land routes are blocked. But, really, I think its a huge failure of Bhaarath that Lahore has not been taken even once despite 4 wars.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 29 Jul 2015 09:35

A_Gupta wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/928460/lej- ... encounter/

MUZAFARGARH: An alleged police ‘encounter’ in Muzaffargarh early on Wednesday morning left at least 14 suspected terrorists dead, including chief of the banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), Express News reported.

According to initial information, LeJ chief Malik Ishaq was being taken for identifying some weapons when the encounter took place. He, along with his two sons Usman and Haq Nawaz were among those killed in the suspected encounter. Ghulam Rasool of the LeJ and his two sons were also killed.

Paki have been downsizing, I think they have made a conscious decision to keep only the good Taliban and the assorted K-groups mostly JuD/LeT and HuM, the rest they will dispense with.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 29 Jul 2015 10:16

Nah, they are downsizing potential ISIS recruitment pool, if ISIS steps in PoK, it will create a huge problem, because majority of PoK residents are Shias.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jul 2015 13:02

Fakhruddin qarizada ‏@qarizadahamid 34m34 minutes ago

BREAKING: Afghan official: Taliban leader Mullah Omar has been killed.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jul 2015 13:14

Lashkar-i-Jhangvi chief Malik Ishaq, two sons killed in Muzaffargarh 'encounter' - DAWN

Malik Ishaq, chief of banned sectarian outfit Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, his two sons Usman and Haq Nawaz, and 11 others were killed in an alleged exchange of fire with police personnel late on Tuesday night.

At least six policemen were injured in the alleged encounter.

Ishaq and his sons were arrested by the Counter-Terrorism Department a week ago. Following their latest arrest, the police had interrogated them and had subsequently taken them to Shahwala in Punjab's Muzaffargarh district to aid the police in recovering weapons and explosives, sources in the CTD said.

The encounter appears to have taken place as militants attacked security forces and tried to free Ishaq who was killed in the ensuing exchange of fire, security sources say.

A spokesman for CTD Multan said Ishaq, his two sons, one Ghulam Rasool Shah and two other accused, all from Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, were taken to Muzaffargarh by the counter-terrorism department to aid in the recovery of arms and explosives.

The spokesman said that when the police party was returning after making the recovery, it was attacked by some 12 to 15 gunmen who succeeded in freeing Ishaq, his sons and the other accused and fleeing away on motorcycles.

The militants were met with by SHO CTD police station who had quickly been informed about the attack on the police party and was travelling on the route that the militants had taken, the spokesman said, adding that that’s how the encounter ensued.

The SHO challenged the militants, resulting in the encounter in which six police personnel sustained injuries, the spokesman said. They were shifted to the district headquarters hospital.

The spokesman added that 14 militants, including Malik Ishaq and Ghulam Rasool Shah, were killed by the attackers themselves.

A large amount of weapons and ammunition was recovered from the attacking men and an investigation has been initiated into the events.

All bodies have been shifted to DHQ Muzaffargarh. The bodies of Ishaq and his sons will undergo a postmortem before being taken to Rahim Yar Khan, where he was based.

This is a big news.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jul 2015 13:29

Here is a summary of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Malique Ishaque, his terror colleagues and their activities. It has had some of the rowdiest names on its roll.

Current estimated membership of LeJ: Less than 1000.
Chief Operational Commander – Matiur Rehman
Member of IIF (Islamic International Front for Jihad against the Crusaders and the Jewish people).
Deobandi organization. Some sections are followers of ultra-orthodox takfiri salafism. It started off as Sunni sectarian outfit to perpetuate the ideals of the slain leader Maulana Haq Nawaz Jhangvi (of Jhang) which was to convert Pakistan into a Sunni Deobandi state.

LeJ is a designated Foreign terrorist Organization (FTO) by the US State Deptt. The US State Dept. added LeJ to its list of terrorist organizations on Jan. 30, 2003.

Its publication is called Intiqam-i-Haq (dual meaning - Revenge of Truth, or Revenge of Jhangvi).

It was created in 1996 as a breakaway faction of SSP (Sipah-e-Sahba, Pakistan) by Malik Ishaque, who was the first 'salar', Riaz Basra, and Akram Lahori (Akram Lahori was one of the few who was scheduled to be hanged after the Pakistani government listed moratorium on capital punishment following the December 16, 2014 massacre of school children and staff at the Army Public School, Peshawar. However, he had a last-minute reprieve in January 2015 when the family of the murdered person ‘pardoned’ him, most definitely under pressure. Of course, 28 other murder cases were pending against him.) These people broke away from SSP because they did not like the idea of Milli Yakjehti Council (MYC) comprising all sects of Islam, which also included the Shi’as.

Akram Lahori was arrested in 2002 in Karachi but was released as there was ‘no evidence’ against him. Malik Ishaque was in jail until c. 2011 though he has been acquitted in 34 cases and given bail in the remaining 10 cases. He was released (by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Iftikhar Chaudhry, who claimed that he took a principled stand against Gen. Musharraf for which he was punished by being deposed from Chief Justiceship) lacking evidence, after the Ahl-e-Sunnat-wal-Jama’at (ASWJ as SSP has renamed itself) chief, Maulana Muhammad Ahmed Ludhianvi, a close ally of the ruling PML-N party in the Punjab, negotiated a secret deal with him on behalf of the Punjab Government. Malik Ishaque spent 14 years facing charges related to murder and other terrorist acts. While in jail, he was given a stipend by the Punjab Government and also provided with a cellphone. He was set free in July 2011 but was detained under ‘house arrest’ which was only in name because he was freely moving about with impunity. The State extended his detention in the ‘interests of public order’ under the ‘Maintenance of Public Order Ordinance’. However, on Jan. 20, 2012, the Review Board of the Lahore High Court refused to detain him any further under ‘house arrest’ and set him free. On the very same day, he was nominated in an FIR registered against his alleged involvement in the recent Khanpur blast killing 18 Shias. He has been accused in the 2002 kidnapping and murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl, twin assassination attempts on Gen. Musharraf in c. 2003, murder of the MQM MPA Raza Haider and the Mastung massacre and the attack on Sri Lankan cricketers in Lahore on Mar. 3, 2009. After a series of attacks on Hazara Shi’as in Quetta (Jan 10, 2013 killing over 80, Feb. 16, 2013 killing nearly 100), Malik Ishaque was again arrested for giving ‘hate speech’ and again under ‘Maintenance of Public Order Ordinance’. In February 2014, the US State Department designated Malik Ishaque as a ‘global terrorist’.

After Malik Ishaque was arrested, LeJ was headed by Riaz Basra who was killed in May, 2002 at Mailsi in the Punjab.
Basra was an Afghan mujahid. He was involved in the assassination of Iran’s Consul General in Lahore, Sadiq Gangi, in December, 1990 and later Iranian diplomat Mohammad Ali Rahimi in Multan in 1994. He was arrested on June 5, 1992 but escaped from police custody on April 30, 1994. Basra was helped in the assassination of Sadeq Ganji by an ISI official named Athar, a low-level official from the Pakistan Air Force

LeJ was then headed by Maulana Azam Tariq who was assassinated in Oct. 2003 by rival Shi’a terrorists.
LeJ is currently headed by Muhammad Ajmal alias Akram Lahori(Qari Mohammed Zafar was Acting Emir in the absence of Akram Lahori, the Salar-e-Aala or Emir who was in jail. Akram Lahori was released by the Punjb High Court for lack of evidence in May 2010. Qari Zafar was reportedly killed in a CIA drone attack on Feb. 24, 2010 at Miramshah in North Waziristan.)

In Quetta, the LeJ runs an SMS campaign asking people to report to a certain mobile number as soon as they spot a Hazara. It is widely believed that the Pakistani Army is pushing LeJ into Balochistan as a ‘first line force’ to fight Baloch separatism and the LeJ, along with that objective, is also engaging in Shi’a killing. The Pakistani Army has resorted to this tactic to fight BLA (Balochistan Liberation Army) after the Supreme Court has come down heavily on the disappearance of thousands of Balochis directly attributed to the Army kidnapping and murdering them.
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LeJ is also accused of killing hundreds of Shiites and bombing Shia mosques. LeJ was behind the assassination of two US Consulate officials in Karachi in March, 1995; attempt of Nawaz Sharif on Jan 3, 1999 in Lahore. LeJ is also involved in the murder of Daniel Pearl (WSJ reporter) {Attaur Rehman alias Naeem Bukhari, who was arrested in Karachi in June 2007 in connection with Pearl's murder in 2002 is also a key Lashkar-e-Jhangvi militant}, two attempts on Gen. Musharraf and one on Prime Minister Abdul Aziz, the July 2006 London airlines plot, the attack on US Consulate in March 2006, and the spectacular Marriott bombing in Islamabad in Sep. 2008. Qari Mohammed Zafar (not to be confused with Qari Hussain Mehsud, aka Ustad-e-Fidayeen, of TTP who trains suicide bombers), a key member of LeJ co-ordinated closely with Al Qaeda and the Taliban. He carried a $5 Million reward on his head and had been seen along with TTP Amir Hakeemullah Mehsud in Sep. 2009. The TTP announced Qari Zafar’s death in a US drone attack at Dargah Mandi in North Waziristan on Feb. 24, 2010. Qari Zafar was the mastermind of attacks on a Special Investigation Unit (SIU) office in Model Town Lahore, Marriot Hotel, FIA building and American consulate in Karachi. He was under the custody of Punjab’s Special Investigation Unit but escaped in October 2007. Qari Zafar worked in close cooperation with Qari Hussain Mehsud, the Ustad-e-Fidayeen.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jul 2015 16:42

From twitter:

Mohammad Taqi ‏@mazdaki 8h8 hours ago

Whatever its mechanics the #MalikIshaq encounter shows that jihadist terrorists can't survive a day more than #Pakistani state wants them to