Brussels airport terror attack

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Mar 2016 23:15

DW German News page on Brussels attacks:

http://www.dw.com/en/brussels-bombing-a ... a-19135323

A lot of unprocessed information as it happens.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Mar 2016 23:18

These Goat Brothers are mules. They don't have much high level skills. The bomb maker seems to have made a suicide pact and decamped leaving the bags!!!

Look at the so called will of the elder Goat Brother: "I am afraid will be in the cell next to Saleh Abdl salem!!!" He knows the other fellow is also a failure.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 25 Mar 2016 03:28

https://www.rt.com/news/337102-france-p ... plot-raid/

Police raid ongoing near Paris after new terror plot ‘foiled’ in France – minister
This has no links with known cells of Brussels or Paris so far.

Brussels attacks: Raid in Paris foils attack in 'advanced stages' as manhunt continues for members of Isil cell- live

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 25 Mar 2016 14:36

Any news on the missing Infosys engineer Ganesh in Brussles? Please let's hear some good news on this one.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Mar 2016 15:31

that is a steyr rifle?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Mar 2016 16:34

Who do they think they are? Russian Special Forces aka Balaclava Boyz?

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 25 Mar 2016 16:40

@Singha

Yes. Steyr AUG A3

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Mar 2016 17:04

The guy is holding it by the telescope, which makes him a rank amateur per TSJ.. Arrest him! A terrorist, obviously.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 26 Mar 2016 03:23

Link between Brussels and Paris attacks; Several arrested in terror raids over last 2 days

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Mar 2016 04:38

A lot of brothers formed the gangs.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Mar 2016 13:01

Foxnews. Cough cough.
Belgium’s nuclear agency said Friday it withdrew the entry badges of some staff and denied access to other people recently amid concerns that the next terror attack could take place at one of the facilities. Employees were sent home hours after the attacks in Brussels.

The New York Times reported that surveillance footage of a top official at a separate site was found last year in the apartment of a terror suspect linked to the extremists who carried out the atrocities in Paris in November.

Belgian media reported this week that two of the suicide bombers in the Brussels attacks, brothers Ibrahim and Khalid El Bakraoui, had video of the home of a senior official at the Mol nuclear waste facility in the Flanders region.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Mar 2016 13:36

RT. Cough cough
A security officer at a nuclear site was killed in the Belgian city of Charleroi two days after the terror attacks in Brussels, local newspaper Derniere Heure reported, citing police sources. The paper added that the man’s security pass was stolen.

Charleroi is located 50 km from the Belgian capital.

A security guard, who was walking his dog, was shot dead in the early evening on Thursday, the paper said.

His security pass was stolen, which alerted the investigators since the man was a member of a nuclear power plant staff.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Mar 2016 10:14

3k to 5k trained jihadis have moved to Europe as refugees or deliberate plants
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... erpol.html

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 28 Mar 2016 11:03

As I said before,the EU is on the brinkof a civil war waged by Islamist terror.In fact,with Paris and Brussels,the first phase has already begun.With the aim of ISIS non-political,but "extermination of infidels",pussyfooting with political correctness cannot do as the backlash from extreme rightwing entities is growing apace.Here's the remedy Tony B.Liar,who has a dubious double doctorate in "invasion theory" from the Univ of BS. Sadly,this time he is spot on.ISIS has to be defeated in its heartland using the most extreme prejudice.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... nst-isis[b]
Tony Blair: west must be ready to deploy ground troops against Isis [/b]
Former PM says allied countries risk terror attack of ‘such size and horror’ as to make draconian security measures necessary

Britain and its western allies must be prepared to send ground troops to “crush” Islamic State forces or risk a terror attack in Europe of “such size and horror” that draconian security measures would have to be introduced, Tony Blair has said.

In a lengthy article on the Brussels bombings, the former prime minister said local forces could be used against Isis in Iraq, Syria and Libya. But he said western ground forces would eventually be needed to defeat Isis as it sought to create a caliphate.

Blair wrote in the Sunday Times: “We must build military capability able to confront and defeat the terrorists wherever they try to hold territory. This is not just about local forces. It is a challenge for the west. Ground forces are necessary to win this fight and ours are the most capable.”

Brussels attacks: last gasp of Isis terror in Europe, or sign of growing threat?

The allied countries carrying out airstrikes against Isis targets in Syria and Iraq, including the UK and US, have so far not deployed ground forces beyond unannounced special forces to guide the bombers and troops that train Iraqi forces in combating Isis. Britain is understood to be considering contributing 1,000 non-combat troops to a 5,000-strong international force to train the Libyan army as it seeks to overcome Isis forces that are building up a stronghold in the North African country.

Blair suggested that Britain may need to go further, at least in Iraq and Syria. He wrote: “We are making progress in the fight against Isis but it has to be eliminated with greater speed and vigour. This ‘caliphate’ is itself a source of recruitment. We can use local allies in the fight, but they need equipment and where they need active, on-the-ground, military support from us, we should give it. The Americans are doing this now – at least to a degree and with effect. But to have allowed Isis to become the largest militia in Libya right on Europe’s doorstep is extraordinary. It has to be crushed.”

Blair issued a stark warning of the dangers of failing to defeat Isis. He wrote: “We will have periodic but increasingly frequent acts of terrorism that will result in many more victims and start to destabilise our political and social cohesion. Eventually the terrorists will commit an act of such size and horror that we will change our posture; but by then the battle will be much harder to win without measures that contradict our basic value system.”

The former prime minister said the military fight against Isis should be part of a wider strategy to confront what he called the “perversion” of the Islamic faith by the ideology of Islamism. He said people should be careful talking about tackling violent extremism because Islamism was a “much broader problem of ideology”, whose supporters run into the millions across the globe.

Blair wrote: “The reality is that the adherents of this view of Islam are numbered in many millions, have, in some countries, elements of official support, and are systematically teaching it to millions of young people across the world … This ideology is not interested in coexistence. It does not seek dialogue but dominance. It cannot therefore be contained. It has to be defeated.”

He said Islamism could not be defeated if the “paralysing grip of the present political discourse” on the right and left continued. In an apparent dig at Donald Trump, who has spoken of denying entry to the US to all Muslims, Blair criticised the tendency on the right to trip into bigotry towards Muslims.

In what appeared to be a rebuke to the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, the former prime minister criticised those on the left who warn that “calling it Islamism is stigmatic”. They preferred, Blair wrote, “to believe that in any event we have caused all of this through western policy although the countries now affected cover the gamut of policy positions from the most interventionist to the expressly pacific”.

Blair said Islamism could be defeated by marshalling an alliance within Islam. “Many Muslims are speaking out and as they do, others gain confidence and follow; because the majority of Muslims hate the way their faith has been hijacked. And never forget the majority of terrorist victims are Muslim.”

He said David Cameron could lead the fight against Islamism within Europe if he won the EU referendum. Blair said of Cameron, who has spoken of the need to defeat the ideology of violent extremism: “For the UK and for a Cameron premiership, if liberated from Britain’s internal European debate, it could mean the leadership of this task in Europe where Britain’s strengths and the PM’s own instincts are uniquely suited to it.”

The intervention by Blair came as the archbishop of Canterbury urged people to allow hope to overcome fear. In his Easter sermon at Canterbury Cathedral, Justin Welby said: “In the shadow of Brussels, with the memory of Srebrenica, hope can seem far, far away. People here will feel hope has faded because of illness, bereavement, unemployment, money worries, family breakdown. When hope fails, fear draws close, and whispers sly deceits in our minds. On Easter Day hope decisively overcame fear and Christians are called to be witnesses to the hope that is found only in Jesus Christ.”

PS:The problem Tony boy ,in your own words ,is that the ISIS philosophy is accepted by "millions" around the world! How will you defeat them when they are so numerous? Only a total ban on Muslims entering Europe as refugees,etc.,will keep them out.Those already inside the country as residents,etc will if found to be sympathisers,actively involved in plots should be incarcerated and/or deported. The situ calls for v.tough action but the current batch of impotent leaders in the EU do not display the courage and confidence that their people expect. There is only one strong man in Europe today whose plans are working in the ME.Vlad-the-bad Putin.The West should combine forces with Russia to defeat ISIS.THat is the only way as even Russia cannot go it alone.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Mar 2016 21:15

Also I see a lot of blame game going on. Brussels is blamed for the Paris attack.

What were the French doing?
Sipping wine and whining.

Its their country and they had the last line of defense.
Yes Brussels harbored the attackers and the planners but the attacks happened on France which was the soft state too.
Despite Surete and Duexeme Bureau and FFL.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 29 Mar 2016 16:30

Infosys techie Raghavendran Ganesan confirmed dead in Brussels attack. Recently became a father, leaves a wife and infant. Damn!!

ashvin · Post by **ashvin** » 29 Mar 2016 16:34

This is very sad! My heartfelt condolences to the family.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Mar 2016 23:58

And yet this conversation seems to be occurring without mentioning what, to me, seems like a much larger concern. If you were a Belgian terrorist, why settle for a dirty bomb, when you have the option of stealing an honest-to-goodness nuclear bomb? The United States “forward deploys” about 180 B61 nuclear bombs at bases in Europe — including a small number at a Belgian air base known as Kleine Brogel, about an hour outside of BrusselsSkeptical that, even in this era of Vladimir Putin, the United States should still be planning on putting a U.S. nuclear weapon on the wing of a Belgian F-16 to start a nuclear war with the Russians? Fair enough. But the ongoing existence of this mission is, for the moment, less important than another fact: The security of these nuclear weapons is terrible.
In an earlier job, I ran a project that tried to outline options for what would become the 2009 Nuclear Posture Review. One of the better parts was the travel. I made a lovely visit to Brussels, where my team had a series of very high-level meetings at the European Union and NATO headquarters. There were some steak frites, a little lambic beer, and a lot of talk about nuclear weapons. And at the time, senior U.S. military officers made one thing very clear to us: The security at the bases stunk. One commander noted that the upgrades necessary to meet security requirements would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars. Another said his worst fear was that a group of activists would be able to get inside the shelters where the nuclear weapons are stored and use a cell phone to publish a picture of the vaults.
So, a few months later, the activists entered the base again. They helpfully sent me a little note. This time, they not only got inside the proper area, but they also got inside one of the shelters.Security never showed up. Apparently, the base commander found out about the incursion when the rest of us did — when the activists posted a video on YouTube a day or so later. This was literally the scenario the U.S. military officer had warned us about — hippies inside a shelter with a cell phone, security nowhere to be found.Yet still no panic.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/29/be ... r-weapons/

prashanth · Post by **prashanth** » 01 Apr 2016 13:35

Lessons from Europe’s amnesia-The Hindu
An article by MK Narayanan

Belgium has a multiplicity of counterterrorist and law enforcement agencies, but each of them is more reluctant than the other to share information. Belgium’s insistence on open borders further aggravates the problem of adequate security.

The EU does not possess an intelligence agency of its own. Nor is there any system in place for sharing intelligence between its member countries. Belgium tends to be lackadaisical about both intelligence collection and intelligence sharing, leaving itself open to attacks like the present one. It is more intent on being seen as protecting the privacy of individuals and metadata than on ensuring citizens’ security. Hence, this was a recipe for disaster, as the March 22 terror attacks proved.

Someone is asleep at the switch.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 01 Apr 2016 14:47

The blame Belgium thing is getting a bit repetitive. Of course, the Belgians have their issues. Intelligence sharing, lack of co-ordination, "linguistic issues", bla bla bla... Which country doesn't? France isn't lackadaiscal about its intelligence collection and is as stingy as anyone else with sharing. Didn't stop them from being attacked. Virtually every major country has faced attacks. Of course Belgium is anal about the privacy of individuals, and rightly so... as are most EU states. Being intrusive hasn't particularly helped either, considering San Bernardino.

Fact of the matter is, such brainwashed Islamic monsters will continue their attempts and some will succeed. That is simply the reality the rest of the world will have to live with. Of course, each attack enable an equally vicious, albeit undeclared, unclaimed, unsung and unyoutubed, response. Going forward, life is not going to be great for the perpetrators of this barbaric ideology that is plaguing all our societies. Our objective should be to differentiate not discriminate, to blend in not stand out, to integrate not assimilate. From an Indian perspective (including all faiths with a live and let live approach), this is not problematic at all.

What I would suggest to the Europeans is a very simple device to have any migrant coming into the country, from anywhere in the world, including from within the EU, to sign a document saying the constitution of the country they are migrating to is supreme, and all its tenets of primary importance, including all the freedoms of thought, expression, action and faith they envisage at an individual level. No true Indian will have a problem signing such a document. That would be a start.

Meanwhile, read this below from Krishnadev Calamur, Senior Editor at The Atlantic, to get an idea of the situation with the Belgian intel. No one in Europe is really prepared for the kind of crap that the Islamic terrorists are bringing to the societies in which they incubate.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... ce/475464/

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Apr 2016 15:53

JEM, completely agree with you about Belgium. I have travelled and stayed extensively in Brussels on business and I echo all that you said.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 01 Apr 2016 18:14

Quite right saar. Poor Belgium is surrounded by ex-barbarians,wannabe barbarians and present day barbarians.

prashanth · Post by **prashanth** » 01 Apr 2016 18:33

JE Menon wrote:Fact of the matter is, such brainwashed ... monsters will continue their attempts and some will succeed. That is simply the reality the rest of the world will have to live with. Of course, each attack enable an equally vicious, albeit undeclared, unclaimed, unsung and unyoutubed, response.

At the end of the day,Sir, the common citizen wants to feel safe to live in his home country. However, at this point, the EU seems to be bending backwards to make its borders free, impose common currency on itself, allow refugees in the millions, and quarrel over who provides asylum to how many. The common citizen would ask, why don't the governments in EU, spend equal effort in making the union secure from these barbarians?

Going forward, life is not going to be great for the perpetrators of this barbaric ideology that is plaguing all our societies.

This remains to be seen. It has been more than a decade since london was attacked, and yet we see that their politicians haven't been able to stem the spread of evilness in their country, even with their robust economy and arguably the most powerful intelligence gathering capability in EU. Is it really feasible that a small, peace loving country like Belgium with its debt ridden economy can do anything?

India has learnt its lesson hard since 1989 and it took us more than a decade to get a grip on internal security (almost). We have central organizations like NIA and several laws that deal especially with these barbaric acts. Yet we have our share of people within politics and outside who want to go soft on these barbarians. In EU, such politicians seem to be dime a dozen. And they don't seem to have a central security or intelligence gathering agency, much less a law making body to frame rules to prevent barbarism. And if these reports of shoddy intelligence gathering/sharing are true, its safe to say that EU is headed for difficult times.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 01 Apr 2016 20:34

Prashanth,

Let's be very clear about something. There is no way to make a valid comparison on case by case basis between the EU and India on matters of security. We are both extremely vulnerable, in some similar ways and in some radically different ways. We also both very strong, in some similar ways and in some other ways. Their capabilities information wise (in terms of depth and multi-dimensionality, as well as the granularity) is probably an order of magnitude greater than ours. The records within the EU on individual levels are amazing, and this was even before the advent of the 360 degree 24/7 self-enabled tracking/monitoring data came into the profile picture. I doubt we are anywhere close, at least in terms of the population coverage.

That said, they have a good reason to be anal about privacy. The last war is not that long gone from memories, and from the classroom. The case of Britain you have mentioned illustrates exactly what I just said. No one is invulnerable. Sooner or later, one or more of these faithghouls will get through the net. And they will do what they do. Blaming intelligence is simply the easy way out. Fact of life: 100% protection is not possible.

Some may say we are constrained by the legal systems that we follow, but that is not really an excuse I think for the kind of stuff that we need to prevent - actually criminally minded people doing criminal acts. The nature of these acts are the interesting thing. They are not really for any goal that is discernible. They tell "the West" to get out of the Middle East, but they also demand that the inhabitants of Spain and India convert or die.

Theirs is an existential war. The issue is how do we fight it while maintaining our civilisational sanity and historical identity. From a pure perspective of war, it's not even a competition. But that's not the issue. We are fighting for something. Our worldview, our understanding of life and the human condition, and all the rest of that nonsense...

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 01 Apr 2016 22:44

Jhujar wrote:
And yet this conversation seems to be occurring without mentioning what, to me, seems like a much larger concern. If you were a Belgian terrorist, why settle for a dirty bomb, when you have the option of stealing an honest-to-goodness nuclear bomb? The United States “forward deploys” about 180 B61 nuclear bombs at bases in Europe — including a small number at a Belgian air base known as Kleine Brogel, about an hour outside of BrusselsSkeptical that, even in this era of Vladimir Putin, the United States should still be planning on putting a U.S. nuclear weapon on the wing of a Belgian F-16 to start a nuclear war with the Russians? Fair enough. But the ongoing existence of this mission is, for the moment, less important than another fact: The security of these nuclear weapons is terrible.
In an earlier job, I ran a project that tried to outline options for what would become the 2009 Nuclear Posture Review. One of the better parts was the travel. I made a lovely visit to Brussels, where my team had a series of very high-level meetings at the European Union and NATO headquarters. There were some steak frites, a little lambic beer, and a lot of talk about nuclear weapons. And at the time, senior U.S. military officers made one thing very clear to us: The security at the bases stunk. One commander noted that the upgrades necessary to meet security requirements would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars. Another said his worst fear was that a group of activists would be able to get inside the shelters where the nuclear weapons are stored and use a cell phone to publish a picture of the vaults.
So, a few months later, the activists entered the base again. They helpfully sent me a little note. This time, they not only got inside the proper area, but they also got inside one of the shelters.Security never showed up. Apparently, the base commander found out about the incursion when the rest of us did — when the activists posted a video on YouTube a day or so later. This was literally the scenario the U.S. military officer had warned us about — hippies inside a shelter with a cell phone, security nowhere to be found.Yet still no panic.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/29/be ... r-weapons/

I am not sure this is all true. The security of US weapons in Europe is normally handled by the US itself. European staff are not even allowed access to those facilities. By staff I mean any and all europeans including pilots, ground crew etc. European aircraft, when they require arming, enter the said area, get armed and transit out to deployment. On completion of mission, they re-enter the facility immediately after landing, disarm, and leave this area and its separate security cordon. Only US crews have access to these cordons and are solely responsible for arming and disarming aircraft.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Apr 2016 22:49

prashanth wrote:This remains to be seen. It has been more than a decade since london was attacked, and yet we see that their politicians haven't been able to stem the spread of evilness in their country, even with their robust economy and arguably the most powerful intelligence gathering capability in EU. Is it really feasible that a small, peace loving country like Belgium with its debt ridden economy can do anything?

not correct sir, as a collective result of all political correctness done by TBlair & Co this is second time people chose conservative over labour, later has been weakened to extent they will not return in near future.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 02 Apr 2016 00:03

JE Menon wrote:What I would suggest to the Europeans is a very simple device to have any migrant coming into the country, from anywhere in the world, including from within the EU, to sign a document saying the constitution of the country they are migrating to is supreme, and all its tenets of primary importance, including all the freedoms of thought, expression, action and faith they envisage at an individual level. No true Indian will have a problem signing such a document. That would be a start.

Islamic war machine has a counter device for the above and it has been used to break secular societies from the beginning of the Islamic era. The device is called : Taqiya

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 02 Apr 2016 00:08

The only way a non-exclusivist society can survive, and still hold its meaning, is ironically to ban any form of exclusivist ideology. Wont work in the Christo-secular West

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 Apr 2016 02:32

Taqqiya is a well known concept Lokesh. It is nothing new, or particularly Islamic. It's called deception. But once you sign a constitutional allegiance document, taqqiya is irrelevant. Law will apply.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Apr 2016 04:29

We are talking about people who do not care to live. They are all trying to burn this world and go to heaven. So what every they do - like signing a paper makes no difference to their conduct.

prashanth · Post by **prashanth** » 02 Apr 2016 09:56

JE Menon wrote: Their capabilities information wise (in terms of depth and multi-dimensionality, as well as the granularity) is probably an order of magnitude greater than ours. The records within the EU on individual levels are amazing, and this was even before the advent of the 360 degree 24/7 self-enabled tracking/monitoring data came into the profile picture. I doubt we are anywhere close, at least in terms of the population coverage.

This is some information for me. Hope they make best use of it, once they overcome their barrier of being politically correct.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 Apr 2016 12:15

>>We are talking about people who do not care to live. They are all trying to burn this world and go to heaven. So what every they do - like signing a paper makes no difference to their conduct.

Consider that you may be looking at the wrong end of the stick. As mentioned, this is an existential war. It is not a difference to the Islamists' conduct that will be enabled with their signing of such a document, it is the conduct of the EU that will change. The mistake we make is to assume that we are going to change the way the Islamists behave. The problem lies elsewhere in this context. First the minds of the targets (Europeans or whoever else) needs to be changed. Once that is done, they have all the tools at hand to appropriately address the problem presented by Islam in the 21st century.

Taqqiya, basically deception, has nothing to do with this. Trying to tackle Taqqiya is like trying to tackle lying. A pointless exercise. And frankly, why do we care? The only interest on the side of the targets of Islam today is an end to violence within the territories under their control.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 02 Apr 2016 12:40

JE Menon wrote:What I would suggest to the Europeans is a very simple device to have any migrant coming into the country, from anywhere in the world, including from within the EU, to sign a document saying the constitution of the country they are migrating to is supreme, and all its tenets of primary importance, including all the freedoms of thought, expression, action and faith they envisage at an individual level. No true Indian will have a problem signing such a document. That would be a start.

Sir, are you an adviser to any EU body?

Belgium to Demand Immigrants Sign 'European Values' Pledge -Sputniknews

Belgium’s latest plan calls on all immigrants wishing to live in the country to sign a statement that declares their acceptance of local values and includes a promise to report any knowledge of "acts of terrorism."

"If they want to build their life here in Europe [we have] no problem with that but they have to sign this statement that they accept our values."

Those who fail to abide by the pledge will be removed from the country.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 Apr 2016 12:55

^^nope. Just a sign that BR is sometimes a tad ahead of the curve.

No "sir" for me boss. Ornery SDRE wonly.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 02 Apr 2016 12:55

kmkraoind wrote:
JE Menon wrote:What I would suggest to the Europeans is a very simple device to have any migrant coming into the country, from anywhere in the world, including from within the EU, to sign a document saying the constitution of the country they are migrating to is supreme, and all its tenets of primary importance, including all the freedoms of thought, expression, action and faith they envisage at an individual level. No true Indian will have a problem signing such a document. That would be a start.
Sir, are you an adviser to any EU body?

Belgium to Demand Immigrants Sign 'European Values' Pledge -Sputniknews

Belgium’s latest plan calls on all immigrants wishing to live in the country to sign a statement that declares their acceptance of local values and includes a promise to report any knowledge of "acts of terrorism."

"If they want to build their life here in Europe [we have] no problem with that but they have to sign this statement that they accept our values."

Those who fail to abide by the pledge will be removed from the country.

Not from those originating from Syria

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 02 Apr 2016 13:03

rsingh,

You know well, the EU moves slowly (like us). But a simple step like this will go a long way. Now they will have to prove origin from Syria. Won't be easy. Plus it shows Belgium (and the EU) as still adherent to their principles. Now the Belgian tactic will be closely observed by others. At the very least, so long as the Belgians impose this rule, it will deter their territory being used by newcomers (not great, but a start) as a migration end-point. In short, it is a mechanism for rechannelling the flow. Invariably, other countries should follow with localised and fine-tuned versions, coming in to the legislative and policy stream through various noiseless mechanisms.

Alternatively, powerful EU members may force Belgium to set this instrument aside. But you know the Walloons and Flemish better than I do, I'm sure boss. I don't think they will budge. Stubborn folk, especially the Flemish.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 08 Apr 2016 13:47

Rattled by Attacks, Many Belgians Still Want Nation Split in Two - NYTimes

Left-wing activists saw them approaching and started shouting warnings that the hooligans were fascists. Fights broke out. The riot police showed up. The international news media had a field day reporting on the neo-Nazi soccer hooligans. And once again, Belgium, among Europe’s most divided and troubled countries, looked like a mess.
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The Brussels attacks have shaken up people in Flanders, just as elsewhere in the country. But weeks later many here are asking deeper questions: whether the faltering, French-dominated federal government in Brussels can cope with the difficult challenges of immigration and terrorism; or, ultimately, whether the Flemish people are not better off going their own way as an independent nation with Antwerp as its capital.

One obvious monument to Flemish independence, the Iron Tower, rises 275 feet over the flat landscape of western Flanders, in the town of Diksmuide, and bears at its top a row of massive letters, an abbreviation for “All for Flanders — Flanders for Christ.”

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 08 Apr 2016 18:41

Ok something about Belgian police. It seems that they had surrounded two of the masterminds in municipality of Forest (it is just name the is not much forest left). So police had cordoned off the area. Terrorists just walked to a policeman and asked him what the fuss about. Policeman warned them to get out of the area and not to disturb him in his work ( just as in Asterix comics). Terrorists just told merci and went out. It was told by saleh who is in maximum security jail.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 18 Apr 2016 18:44

Belgian minister (Jan Jambon) noted that many Muslims were overjoyed by brussels attack. In fact they came to the streets of Molenbeek to celebrate. It is true and it was documented. Some administrative arrests were made. But this guy is on the docks now. Human right groups like Anti-islamophobia wants to take him to the court. Today he clarified his stand and most of the people agree with him.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 17 Jun 2016 08:43

Someone from left is peddling this story even in India.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... E6vXP.html

Where as the details report says that he is some mental problems and was living alone for 20 years.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1456 ... Sort=score

Says that he is some small-time neo-Nazi in the end.

We do not know which one is true and may never know. But this story will be spun to stop Brixit.