Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 30 Jul 2009 06:57

Bhaskar wrote:Apologies if posted already

Junk weapons in defence fleet
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 835093.cms

Thanks for posting - I just missed the item on live news

The report disses the Harpy, Popeye and Sea Eagle, apart from an unspecified Russian ARM and some Indian stuff.

The report actually makes me elated - I am happy to see people being open to recognizing and stating faults.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 30 Jul 2009 07:22

Avinash R wrote:Hardest nano-plastic is also lightest
Wednesday 29 July 2009
New Delhi, DH News Service: The world's hardest plastic nano-composite material that can be used in missiles and aeroplanes has been discovered by a team of five Bangalore researchers headed by CNR Rao, scientific advisor to the Prime Minister.

The team comprises researchers from Indian Institute of Science and Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advanced Scientific Research. The original idea came from Rao – an eminent scientist and founding president of the JNCASR.

Though Rao was not available for comment, Upadrasta Rammurthy, a professor of material engineering at IISc and one of the team members told Deccan Herald that despite its hardness the material is extremely light-weight.

“It can be used in missile and aerospace engineering. However, we have not yet looked into the application side,” he said. ...

It could be gold if CNR Rao is involved, the man is a recognized giant and a subject matter authority in nanotech field world over.

AmitR · Post by **AmitR** » 30 Jul 2009 08:38

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Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 30 Jul 2009 10:15

shiv Bhaskar wrote:
Apologies if posted already

Junk weapons in defence fleet
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 835093.cms

Thanks for posting - I just missed the item on live news

The report disses the Harpy, Popeye and Sea Eagle, apart from an unspecified Russian ARM and some Indian stuff.

The report actually makes me elated - I am happy to see people being open to recognizing and stating faults.

Shiv, the article seems to be a bit porly researched i.e.. Harpy missile not UAV. It dishes all weapons from all countries including India. Stufflike no compents for sea eagle, i Think everbody knows we are phasing these out. etc and yadda, yadda ........ and so on.

and this was the reporter who in the Vizag , sub converted museam and pretending it was the ATV.

The only aim of the article is that we need weapons, we should buy from Khan inspite of strings conditions, inspections etc... no matter what

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 31 Jul 2009 05:45

BrahMos Block-II Land Attack version ready for induction after test firing news

Jaisalmer: The Block-II version of the BrahMos land attack cruise missile successfully completed its fourth and final test firing on Wednesday and has now been declared ready for induction. In a test firing at the Pokhran test range in Rajasthan, the missile went on to score a "bull's eye" hit on a target 25km away on Wednesday.

"With this launch, the requirement of Army for the land attack version with Block-II advanced seeker software with target discriminating capabilities has been fully met and this version is ready for induction," defence sources said.

The Army has already inducted the earlier land attack version of the BrahMos, with the first battery entering service in June 2007. Each battery is equipped with four mobile launchers mounted on a heavy 12x12 Tatra transporters.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 Jul 2009 06:46

Aditya_V wrote:
shiv Bhaskar wrote:
Apologies if posted already

Junk weapons in defence fleet
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 835093.cms

Thanks for posting - I just missed the item on live news

The report disses the Harpy, Popeye and Sea Eagle, apart from an unspecified Russian ARM and some Indian stuff.

The report actually makes me elated - I am happy to see people being open to recognizing and stating faults.

Shiv, the article seems to be a bit porly researched i.e.. Harpy missile not UAV. It dishes all weapons from all countries including India. Stufflike no compents for sea eagle, i Think everbody knows we are phasing these out. etc and yadda, yadda ........ and so on.

and this was the reporter who in the Vizag , sub converted museam and pretending it was the ATV.

The only aim of the article is that we need weapons, we should buy from Khan inspite of strings conditions, inspections etc... no matter what

No - I'm not saying the report is right - but I see two separate issues coming out of any media report.
One is what the people who need to know, know about the real state of affairs.

The second is what the aam junta and DDM read from the report. Most reports that I have seen over the last decade and a half are squarely aimed at dissing anything Indian, an act that automatically gets Indians saying "Look at the Israelis - such a small nation - just see their mijjiles" or "Why not buy American XYZ that we know work well - proven against NoKo and Vietnam"

For a change this news item is undiscriminating and disses Israeli, British, Russian and Indian ("Sitaphal" cluster bombs

presumably with some imported content)

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 31 Jul 2009 09:53

Shiv-> I totally agree with you but we know how it works, half of it works on Lifafa, T-90 with problems is inducted but Arjun is not. A well funded Phalcon is delayed but for years the heavily underfunded LCA is expected to produce results. Why cant we commit atleast 5000cr to LCA programmme per year, if this was done since 2000, we probably would have the LCA by now.

People just struggle to understand how tough its for DRDO to develop weapons while dealing with the Indian beaucracy, any component purchase requires 1000 approvals and some stuff like computer chips, they just cant upgrade based on developments. Further, each person in DRDO has sacrificed a more lucrative career in the PVt sector, abroad to be there. And yes, I am sure they have to put up with relatives braging about thier children being sucessful in doing MS in US,UK,OZ and Canada while they are failures at DRDO.

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 31 Jul 2009 18:32

Katare wrote:Avinash R wrote:
Hardest nano-plastic is also lightest

Something similar done by Unkil few years earlier Dont know how they compare....

Katare wrote:“It can be used in missile and aerospace engineering. However, we have not yet looked into the application side,” he said. ...

Believe there is more urgency than what is shown by that statement.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jul 2009 23:25

Bhaskar wrote:Apologies if posted already

Junk weapons in defence fleet
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 835093.cms

Is there a transcript or only visual?

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 01 Aug 2009 00:11

The interesting thing about the report is that none of those flaws seem to be beyond remedy. There is always a lag between fault discovery and rectification. The Sea Eagles need to be re-lifed. It will be an expensive process though.

SanjibGhosh · Post by **SanjibGhosh** » 02 Aug 2009 14:23

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index.php? ... ectionid=4

Army says yes to 'world-class' missile

But now, the Army has told the DRDO that "we are considering induction" (of the Akash missile system). C.K. Prahlada, chief controller at the DRDO, said: "We are grateful to the Army for this decision. In fact, Akash was developed keeping the Army in mind. I have assured them a world-class missile." The DRDO has said they'd deliver the missiles within two years from the date of the order.

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 03 Aug 2009 01:14

on the concealment of missiles, submerged pontoon based missile launching capability that DRDO demonstrated will enable us to put them in lakes, there are so many of them, even close to the chinese border

they might be doing the same

if TSP ever emulates the underwater launch, their dams can be targeted with the excuse of missiles being concealed in the dam backwaters, Indus water treaty notwithstanding

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 03 Aug 2009 04:30

Panwallah samachar:

Yindoo bhai and behano ne Ek Cruise missile to test kiya.Its is ranged at 1200km with a payload capability of over half tonne.
panwallah ne muje poocha ke the turbofan was a join development with a phoreign chai corner.And the panwallahs own turbofan is nearing the completion. and will be placed inside the pan during the production phase.since it had higher trust and is light weight. which means more payload/long range.
Not taking chance to name the pan.

and the same panwallah says that the same pan can be dipped into water with an extra leaf.and is confident of throwing the content inside to a distance of over 1500km with no major modifications.they will be dipping the pan into water in a year time.

munna · Post by **munna** » 03 Aug 2009 04:51

jaladipc wrote:Panwallah samachar:
and the same panwallah says that the same pan can be dipped into water with an extra leaf.and is confident of throwing the content inside to a distance of over 1500km with no major modifications.they will be dipping the pan into water in a year time.

Aapke munh main ghee shakkar!!

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 03 Aug 2009 04:55

Phoren turbo-pankha transfer allowed hai?

munna wrote: Aapke munh main ghee shakkar!!

Double that

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 03 Aug 2009 12:48

munna wrote:
jaladipc wrote:Panwallah samachar:
and the same panwallah says that the same pan can be dipped into water with an extra leaf.and is confident of throwing the content inside to a distance of over 1500km with no major modifications.they will be dipping the pan into water in a year time.
Aapke munh main ghee shakkar!!

Bloody Yindoos doing too many things secretly..

What was the codename of this project? Projectile testing facility?

sombhat · Post by **sombhat** » 03 Aug 2009 15:30

jaladipc wrote:Panwallah samachar:

Yindoo bhai and behano ne Ek Cruise missile to test kiya.Its is ranged at 1200km with a payload capability of over half tonne.
panwallah ne muje poocha ke the turbofan was a join development with a phoreign chai corner.

Is the panwallah going to give this news to the kagaz walla and the TV walla sometime soon, so that the jingos heart can beat faster?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Aug 2009 15:36

520 zarda + additional chuna should make the watery paan more powerful imo.

Drevin · Post by **Drevin** » 03 Aug 2009 17:37

Is the panwallah going to give this news to the kagaz walla and the TV walla sometime soon, so that the jingos heart can beat faster?

I doubt it. This paan is too sweet for da public yindoos.

They may start showing diabetic symptoms.

We at br are robust folk so jaladji doesn't mind.

pkudva · Post by **pkudva** » 03 Aug 2009 20:05

Brahmos-2 project approved and it has been formally disclosed.Good going GOI.

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 03 Aug 2009 20:06

rakall wrote: ...
Bloody Yindoos doing too many things secretly..

What was the codename of this project? Projectile testing facility?

Solar Eclipse Tracking Project

mandrake · Post by **mandrake** » 03 Aug 2009 20:10

PratikDas wrote:
rakall wrote: ...
Bloody Yindoos doing too many things secretly..

What was the codename of this project? Projectile testing facility?
Solar Eclipse Tracking Project

All these tests of Prithvi and Prithvi and Prithvi says how much we have love for our mother earth.

I remember asking a gentleman from Wheeler Island, what is that they keep on testing, his reply was, who are you? where are you from? Turned back and went away.

Drevin · Post by **Drevin** » 03 Aug 2009 20:14

smarty. Your timing was perfecto. shows self-respect. (I bet that m!@#$ expected you to say Prithvi.)

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Aug 2009 22:44

Dhoodhwalla news, dont know what to make of it

Very preliminary discussion for new massive effort on survey, mapping, sensing, guidance and seeking is being discussed. Will involve multi-spectral and multi-sensor mapping and survey of land and sea, several different techniques for guidance including RLG/Star sensors etc and several different type of seeking, IR/Radio etc etc. Likely to have allocation for effort part (doing it), manufacture part (making it), procurement part (buying it) and research part.

It may not be completely "closed" (without direct foreign partner involvement) like IGMDP, foreign collaboration is likely to be taken when necessary. However manufacture being local and ToT is also being discussed.

May not be a centralized effort, might be spread across several agencies, civilian agencies and even private sector (however under the same "umbrella", with a single mandate). Products might be used by govt agencies and maybe even sold and licensed also (like maps).

Might involve heavy academic participation and private sector participation. Even discussions of setting up high tech parks along the lines of IT parks with tax benefit etc.

Decision to be made by the end of this FY.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 04 Aug 2009 01:21

Are we just now talking of funds? I would have expected a model to fly this year. Shouldnt the terrain maps already be available, given that the IRS and the ResourceSats have been flying for over a decade?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Aug 2009 03:10

Might be related to this?

Old Thread

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Aug 2009 09:35

See my secret

Once a minister mentioned the name of the future missile Sagarika, which will nuclear-arm the submarine. The authorities promptly changed its name, so that next time someone asked about Sagarika, they could say “no such missile or programme exists”.

So that tells us something about the Sagarika, K-15, Agni-3 SL and the K-xx. It also tells us something about the ATV being called the arihant as opposed to the INS Sagarika.

babbupandey · Post by **babbupandey** » 04 Aug 2009 12:03

jaladipc wrote:Panwallah samachar:
yindoo bhai and behano ne Ek Cruise missile to test kiya.Its is ranged at 1200km with a payload capability of over half tonne.

jaladipc, thanks for the great news. If I really knew where you live I would have come personally to offer you sweets.
Any idea of at what it's speed is going to be like?

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 04 Aug 2009 12:52

So is this nirbhay?

babbupandey · Post by **babbupandey** » 04 Aug 2009 14:27

It could be nirbhay, abhay or samharak - who cares.
If the panwallas news is correct then we have a cruise that can inundate enemy air defence. I am happy!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Aug 2009 14:44

If its Nirbhay that the panwallah is talking about, it should have a high subsonic speed.

narayana · Post by **narayana** » 04 Aug 2009 15:05

First Impression: BrahMos-A from Tu-142 & MiG-31

Pics of mig-31 carrying Brahmos,if MIG 31 can do it,can upgraded mig 29 do the same?.

Thanks Gurulog

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 04 Aug 2009 15:17

Not necessarily. As compared to Mig-29, Mig-31 is a different beast altogether.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 04 Aug 2009 15:36

the foxbat is a much larger bird than the fulcrum, its empty weight is almost as much as the fulcrum's max T/O weight. keep in mind that the mig-25 is about as large as the su-30 and somewhat heavier. the mig-29 is puny by comparison. if you ever get to watch the two side by side you'll know what I mean.

also, the foxbats/foxhounds were designed from start to carry the pretty heavy acrid AA missiles, they can presumably carry a single brahmos with some restructuring.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Aug 2009 15:57

The Brahmos on Mig-31 is interesting , that would be a proposed modernization for multirole Mig-31BM for RussiAF and Mig-31E for export

They replaced the 6 R-37 with a single Brahmos , which means 4 AAM and one Brahmos.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Aug 2009 17:54

a Mig-31 is a difficult beast to intercept. and has a long range. in anti-shipping role, it could fly upto 70,000ft, release missile and turn away safely without much chance of catching it.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 04 Aug 2009 17:58

Can the Mig-31 carry a 2.5 tonne brahmos to 70 k height? Also one missile per ac is too low a payload.

John · Post by **John** » 05 Aug 2009 04:58

^ Not too likely that Mig-31 can fly at such speeds and high altitude carrying one, as for the load even the Su-30 can carry only 1 Brahmos.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 05 Aug 2009 08:19

I guess with a smaller load (1 brahmos and 2 R-77 say) foxhounds can reach closer to that 70k feet mark. the combination will be very ummm.... interesting against long range SAM systems.

especially if there are other aircrafts in the escort package carrying ARMs like kh-31.

John · Post by **John** » 05 Aug 2009 09:03

Brahmos is a ramjet which places limitations on its operational altitude IIRC they are most effective around ~40,000 ft any higher and their range degrades.