Bharat Rakshak

Well the 'better' one got 124 orders and the other one got 1600 orders.....what an irony.....

Not at all, aren't you missing this very obvious part of the answer?



The specs have been realized only now, and as per chaiwalla reports, GoI (not IA) is discussing on the way ahead (note it has time to discuss because Avadi is still making the old order)

So it will happen. For sure.

Thanks Austin, I really appreciate it.

Sorry to butt in in the middle....was there any accident 2-3 months ago inside the Arjun tank during the tests in Mahajan range, Rajasthan? heard that the round blew up inside the turret killing 2 tank crew....this chennai guy from army(co passenger in train) wasn't sure if it was the Gun's problem or the round's(he also wasn't sure if it was HESH or Armour Piercing one)...I couldn't believe him ...he ended up saying..tank is good but quality is lacking....

Venkat

Sir capability to fire Hesh round was a requirement of the end user. Can a smooth bore fire a hesh round? I think not.
So it does not matter even if there are one billion smooth bores out there. Those did not have this specific requirement which was valid in the indian context. So we went for a rifled gun which anyways is a better one than the current T-90's smooth bore.
Is this so difficult to understand?

The Tag Team champions.....

Well at least we need not have to ask anyones help/permission to modify Arjuns FCS in future.
The inability to fire indian manufactured ammo from T-90 was posted here before i think....they didnt share the FCS code.
How long did we had to go after them for the gun barrel technology....
Will any of the above problem have happend with arjun ?

Oh you mean the specs has been realized in 2010 or was it in december 2009?
Lets all keep discussing...at the same time keep importing the tin cans....

So good, in fact, that the TI Conks off in high temprature environment and engine actually produces lesser than the "brochure" claims - heat or no heat.......and needs a modified auto-loader to fire a some what western comparable APFSDS from Russian stable...requires "enivormental control system" to allow it to use it's TI.......and it's engine siezed in the trials....

patent BS, had it happened we would have heard it by now. the blowing up incidents that killed crew happened in the T-72 and that was at least a couple of years back.
the accident he refers to is this viewtopic.php?p=853375#p853375

the said gent has badly mixed up his tanks.

It would have been more deafening that Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together.

Frankly you guys should get a room.
This public displays of affection is becoming embarrassing....

~Ashish.

bro,
if that had happened with Arjun it would be in all the newspapers, magazines, tv news, blogs, forums...., and many respected people here would have raised that point for defending their favorite toy




Why don't they make new specs for tin cans?
avadi is still making old order too
i hope they don't make specs just to kill Arjun project once for all and forever.

isnt it because T-72 was originally called Arjun and the name Ajeya being a later addition?

Is it possible that ground level folks in IA still think T-72 is the Arjun?

Rahul and Sameer.....I couldn't believe what he said...when he said that..it hurt me bad and spoke to him in defense of Arjun...was curious if BRF was aware of it..I don't login much these days so thought I missed it...apologies to you Sirs.

Sorry folks, broke up the "IA bad, T 90 bad rah rah rah...." and repeat party here did I? With facts and data?



Thomas_S dear; you are mixing up issues.

1) Arjun readiness, only in 2008-2009 time frame. Shown the readiness only now that too according to Chaiwalla reports. Official word awaited. The last order still not completed.
2) Gun ToT issue, it took one year, between 2007-2008, part of negotiations.
3) Sure we can change the FCS why not, and thats why we should keep changing things to ensure evolution, why not.
4) HESH vs disadvantages of Rifled gun trade off? -- Personally I think 100% of all modern tanks (Arjun are 50 of 20000 modern tanks) to me is a pretty clear indication of the trade off. Sure IA is different. But not THAT different. IA should seriously look at whether then need the HESH round w.r.t. Arjun.

ARJUN MKII SANCTIONED

Finally, Govt Orders Full Revamp Of DRDO, Formally Sanctions Mark-II Versions Of MBT Arjun & Akash SAM

There are times when the lack of the lungi dance icon is sorely missed.

Viv S, bless you, old egg!!

All Izzz Well !!

From The Hindu,on the same issue of Arjun Mk II


The IA must be involved in Mk II development at every stage so that we don't go through the same pain all over again.