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if someone comes to your house and give a slap to your kids and you remain silent... your kids won't give a damn if neighbor says your dad is weak..
what kind of convoluted logic is that..


What would the kids do? What does your non convoluted logic say? Father is weak no? Kids may be weaker. Why is it so difficult to accept that India may be a weak country?


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shiv wrote:
Prithwiraj wrote:
if someone comes to your house and give a slap to your kids and you remain silent... your kids won't give a damn if neighbor says your dad is weak..
what kind of convoluted logic is that..


What would the kids do? What does your non convoluted logic say?


should raise a voice against dad.. what would you do? put up with it?


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shiv wrote:

What would the kids do? What does your non convoluted logic say?


should raise a voice against dad.. what would you do? put up with it?


Please excuse me for not answering this one because I will end up arguing against your analogy. Arguing against analogies is a mistake because we are going off the topic.

My question was "India is perceived as weak". So what? So what if India is perceived as weak. Just because some moron says India is weak why should India react? Pakistanis are saying all the time that India weak. Does someone have to react every time? Did you ever consider punching the person who called India as weak? If not, are you not weak yourself? Why cry on here? Maybe Mr wanderer needs to answer that one seeing as he says he's not a coward but knows about the reputation that Indians have abroad. Why not punch the people who say that there and then. Why blame Indian politicians for being cowards but claim "I am brave"

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shiv wrote:
Prithwiraj wrote:
if someone comes to your house and give a slap to your kids and you remain silent... your kids won't give a damn if neighbor says your dad is weak..
what kind of convoluted logic is that..


What would the kids do? What does your non convoluted logic say? Father is weak no? Kids may be weaker. Why is it so difficult to accept that India may be a weak country?


What exactly your point..? citizen of India are not allowed voiced opinion against any soft stand by the govt. of the country...? do you know that Air India changed an equipment from A 319 to A-320 so that Praful Patel's daughter and his son in law can travel in business class..?..I wont accept the fact that India is acting as a weak country? You have to live with it.. I am so sorry


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Prithwiraj wrote:

What exactly your point..? citizen of India are not allowed voiced opinion against any soft stand by the govt. of the country...? do you know that Air India changed an equipment from A 319 to A-320 so that Praful Patel's daughter and his son in law can travel in business class..?..I wont accept the fact that India is acting as a weak country? You have to live with it.. I am so sorry

No one is stopping you from expressing your opinion. But there is no point in getting angry with a person who does not agree with you. This thread is supposed to be about China's Military. What we were discussing courtesy mr wanderer was his great angst that Indians are perceived as weak. Now you are talking about Praful Patel's daughter. Are you running away from the topic? You are stopping yourself. Don't blame me.


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Please excuse me for not answering this one because I will end up arguing against your analogy. Arguing against analogies is a mistake because we are going off the topic.

My question was "India is perceived as weak". So what? So what if India is perceived as weak. Just because some moron says India is weak why should India react? Pakistanis are saying all the time that India weak. Does someone have to react every time? Did you ever consider punching the person who called India as weak? If not, are you not weak yourself? Why cry on here? Maybe Mr wanderer needs to answer that one seeing as he says he's not a coward but knows about the reputation that Indians have abroad. Why not punch the people who say that there and then. Why blame Indian politicians for being cowards but claim "I am brave"

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its not my neighbor.. I personally feel as a citizen of India that it is a weak country with respect to responding to hostility... .. there is a proverb in bengali.. "porer katha te jhal kheo na"...I am not capable of translating that in english ..but it somehow means don't feel bitter by outsiders words.. which you make a gross assumption as the reason any Indian being frustrated by lack of action by its govt. .. You simply ignore the consciousness and conclusion of an educated Indian citizen...your view of summarily treating everyone voicing a frustration is pretty amusing and incredible to an extent


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its not my neighbor.. I personally feel as a citizen of India that it is a weak country with respect to responding to hostility... ..


Why do you feel India is weak?


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What exactly your point..? citizen of India are not allowed voiced opinion against any soft stand by the govt. of the country...? do you know that Air India changed an equipment from A 319 to A-320 so that Praful Patel's daughter and his son in law can travel in business class..?..I wont accept the fact that India is acting as a weak country? You have to live with it.. I am so sorry

No one is stopping you from expressing your opinion. But there is no point in getting angry with a person who does not agree with you. This thread is supposed to be about China's Military. What we were discussing courtesy mr wanderer was his great angst that Indians are perceived as weak. Now you are talking about Praful Patel's daughter. Are you running away from the topic? You are stopping yourself. Don't blame me.


anyway...either you somehow miss the big picture, deliberately refuse to acknowledge that or just living in denial... a reaction to a certain news item is not insulated from additional news items which tempts to further corroborate a certain belief that someone is trying to build.....rampant corruption .. treating state property .. as your own vehicle to please your son in law... coming from a govt. which has no spine to be proactive...against a hostile act on its citizen... ... and someone raising a voice and you think .these are inspired by neighbor's talk


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Ok same question to you. What line of the border would you defend in the north , north west and west?

If that gets contested in the future what do we do?

I am quite confident you have not owned a piece of land (agricultural land). If you did you would realise that once the boundary is allowed to be changed by a neighbor it will keep moving!


I hope you do know the history of the land in question


Do you know medieveal Indian history much? If you did, since I am convinced you don't know, you would realise that muslim states cannot be trusted. Find me one example where a muslim state did not betray the Hindus.

So what gives now? Why should India trust them? Have they changed that they would not be back-stabbers?


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In terms of contentions, if we are not able to enforce our view of our claims on the contestant in due course, accommodation becomes necessary, especially if the opponent controls your access.

Pathetic. We have attack after attack on India and the perpetrators walk free in broad daylight in Pakistan and you think this is a cause for accomodation? Ineptitude of GOI in enforcing its view just speaks volumes of the quality of the men and women we elect. If you were elected then you would behave similarly. I have no doubt. But you would still be wrong.

Buddy if a man with balls becomes Indian PM we would hunt them in their backyard as Bin Laden was hunted.

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Peter: You could have asked the same question, without making it personal - not about to lay down my personal assets to prove something :mrgreen: . My thinking is, it is my solemn duty to expand this land that I own, use or benefit from, in that order.

Nah. This was a loaded question and your answer shows me that you have no idea how boundaries work.

BTW there is a character in our history known as Durga Das from Jodhpur. Read up on him.


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Err... Peter, some basic GK 101. All Muslim >< Paki and all Paki >< All Muslim

Pls check your history, there were enough Hindu and Muslim troops together on either side of battlefield in medieval times for you not to oversimplify things

And yes, it does hurt my sensitivities when you arrogantly and or ignorantly make all Muslims look like backstabbers...!!


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Ajay Sharma wrote:
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Err... Peter, some basic GK 101. All Muslim >< Paki and all Paki >< All Muslim

Pls check your history, there were enough Hindu and Muslim troops together on either side of battlefield in medieval times for you not to oversimplify things

And yes, it does hurt my sensitivities when you arrogantly and or ignorantly make all Muslims look like backstabbers...!!

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A lot of troops who fight for us in J&K (including Siachen) are muslims. This includes Lt Gen Hasnain and most of the jawans of JAKLI and J&K Rifles. You insult them greatly by unnecessarily bringing religion angle to this debate.


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There are definitely some exceptions when it comes to Hindu-Muslim equation. There are many instances in the history of Hyderabad, when Pakistani flags have been waved by the local muslim population when a match between India and Pakistan ended with a win for Pakistan.
However, muslim population in Kashmir is mostly brain washed with Pak Agenda. There is no guarantee that they will change the loyality from Pakistan to India even after India happens to hold Kashmir for another 50 years. Their religious book effects their thinking and Hindus will always be Kaafirs in their eyes. Even during several battles that occurred in Deccan plateau in India ( Battle of Talikota), there are instances when Muslim soldiers shifted their loyality from Hindu rulers to Muslim rulers. A snippet from the description of the battle of Talikota.
"At this point the Sultans signaled to the Moslem officers in the Vijayanagaran army to launch a subversive attack. Suddenly Ramaraya found his rear surprised by the two Moslem divisions in his ranks turning against him".
Again we have the famous example of third battle of Panipat , where the local Muslim rulers allied with Ahmed Shah Durrani to break the back of Maratha empire. There are some exceptions like the Ibrahim Khan Gardi whose loyality to Maratha empire cannot be disputed.
Again there are exceptions and we do have examples of Muslims who are very local to India. But is very small percent . So we need to go by the facts rather than getting emotional and sentimental on this issue.


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skganji: will you now go against the Sikhs for fighting against the Sepoys in the first-war of Independence? or, Marwaris because some among them signed the deal with Clive? The Jats and Rajputs did not support Bhau during Panipat whereas Ibrahim Gardi and his men fought to the end. There are enough examples from History that will cut one way or the other.


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skganji.... Man, you need to take a cold shower right now and go to rehab to detox yourself from whatever you are consuming.

What you are stating is no less than venom of a religious bigot.

So as per your definition, Punjabis (and in particular Sikhs) are also anti national due to recent history. What about tribals of Chhatisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa...? There are lots of Naxals there...!! What about Tamils, Manipuris, Gorkhas and god knows who else..

Maybe even I am (as per your Lahori logic) since my grandparents came from Pakistan in 1947.

But one humble and simple question to you... What is your contribution to this country that is bigger than all other communities that are identified by people like you for being backstabbers or anti-nationals or god knows whatever tag you attach to them?


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There are definitely some exceptions when it comes to Hindu-Muslim equation. There are only a few handful of Muslims who are extremely loyal to their home country like Abdul Kalaam etc. .....

Exceptions? Handful?
Tell that to the face of "thousands" of muslim troops (and their families) fighting for you "right now" in J&K against an Islamic State's sponsored terrorism.


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Ajay sharma. Just relax. I am not stating any body back stabbers. I am just presenting the examples from History. The call for Jihad had resulted in death of somany people in the country . Vow what a nice way to address me ( religious bigot) just for presenting the bare facts. If you don't want to accept the facts, then it is your problem. Stop jumping into conclusions and attacking people . The other examples you give ( Naxals, Sikhs) didn't fight against India for almost 1000 years. However, Jihad had fought 1000 years of battles against India in some form or the other.
Regarding my contribution to the country, I may not be contributing directly to the country in the form of joining the Indian army, however, I am contributing the humanity in the form of being a loyal citizen to the country I live, pay taxes, abide by the law ,do some charities, educate people in the community, innovate in technology, etc.


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There are definitely some exceptions when it comes to Hindu-Muslim equation. There are only a few handful of Muslims who are extremely loyal to their home country like Abdul Kalaam etc. .....

Exceptions? Handful?
Tell that to the face of "thousands" of muslim troops (and their families) fighting for you "right now" in J&K against an Islamic State's sponsored terrorism.


I don't know the exact numbers. I already said there are exceptions. Should I be explict about these numbers ?. I know that large number of Muslim population from Kashmir valley join India Army. I am not questioning that. I am not ignorant of the facts nor am I denying the facts.


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@skganji where is this thread going to? A key of a flourishing democracy is if we keep state ahead of religion and never let any war be shaped into a religious war. We should learn how US carried its war on terror. We know who they target but its not a war against Islam. The reasons of certain events is also a history and a lot depends on their then current circumstances. Today there are many muslim soldiers in the Indian Army and paramilitary and doing an exemplary service. They are not fighting for Islam they are fighting for the state. Sikh, Gorkha and others on and off supported British or French or Portugese at different times of course they can not be termed anti India. Circumstances were different and interests were different. We are not defending an India of 1700's, we are defending today's India and the legacies needed to be protected. Such arguments are like how British discouraged Biharis in armed forces after 1857. At the end all soldiers have signed up for the state's welfare and its honor nothing else nothing less.


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skganji.... Man, you need to take a cold shower right now and go to rehab to detox yourself from whatever you are consuming.

What you are stating is no less than venom of a religious bigot.

So as per your definition, Punjabis (and in particular Sikhs) are also anti national due to recent history. What about tribals of Chhatisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa...? There are lots of Naxals there...!! What about Tamils, Manipuris, Gorkhas and god knows who else..

Maybe even I am (as per your Lahori logic) since my grandparents came from Pakistan in 1947.

But one humble and simple question to you... What is your contribution to this country that is bigger than all other communities that are identified by people like you for being backstabbers or anti-nationals or god knows whatever tag you attach to them?


Actually, your logic is what seems lahori.

Anyway, are you saying that Muslims and Hindus lived in great 'bhaichara' and never betrayed each other? Or are you saying that such incidents need to be forgotten or ignored? Or are you saying that such incidents are exceptions and not the norm?


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skganji wrote:
There are definitely some exceptions when it comes to Hindu-Muslim equation. There are only a few handful of Muslims who are extremely loyal to their home country like Abdul Kalaam etc. .....

Exceptions? Handful?
Tell that to the face of "thousands" of muslim troops (and their families) fighting for you "right now" in J&K against an Islamic State's sponsored terrorism.


Percentages...

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It seems those advocating the Siachen 'De-militarization' are following FUD for their sales pitch. Following are their arguments. And they are designed to cause FUD (Fear, Uncertainity, Doubt) in the Indian minds.

a) If Siachen is not gifted to Pakis(or DE-militarized according to their wishes), Pak will disintegrate and then their will be no control on the jihadis who will attack at their will on India.

b) Brave Indian soldiers are dying in the cold mountains at Siachen. Lets save them from this undue sufferance.

c) Siachen is useless. Not a blade of grass grows there. Why are we wasting money and men for that god forsaken place?

d) Occupying Siachen is not necessary for protecting India.

e) We can always re-occupy it, if necessary.

f) We need to build confidence, so that the 'peace loving silent majority and their civilian representatives' can be strengthened. Gifting away Siachen woulsd be chanakyan move in this direction.

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Counter arguments to the above points:
a) Pak's disintegration and/or destabilization is good for India. Long term and short term. Anyway, giving up Siachen is not going to save Pakis from disintegration.

b) The situation is far better now then it was in the past thanks to the improving technology. We can expect much smoother ride in the future. If army vacates now, then they will have to start from square one, if they have to reoccupy it. In the process, many precious lives will be lost.

c & d) Siachen is crucial for the defence of India according to the Indian army. It is precisely for this reason that they have occupied Siachen and braved such harsh climate.

e) Many Indian soldier's lives will be lost in the process of re-taking it after the paki occupation because they will have a great advantage. Moreover, why take the risk in the first place?

f) This is the most crafty point. How can India strengthen the 'civilian pakis'? By gifting away or risking our territories?! Then, no thanks!!
Anyway, it is simply a conjecture that the pakis(civilian or military) want peace with India and that the only thing stopping them is lack of confidence.

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The biggest and the most valid argument is: why should India take such huge risk at all, given that there are absolutely no commitments from paki side(not that they honor their commitments)?

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Someone, asked a very valid question: What is the definition of treachery and who can be labelled a traitor?
In any other country, supporting a course of action that threatens the territorial security of the country will be seen as treachery...


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ajay sharma, viv, gaur, brvarsh:
You all did not read my post correctly. I said:
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Do you know medieveal Indian history much? If you did, since I am convinced you don't know, you would realise that muslim states cannot be trusted. Find me one example where a muslim state did not betray the Hindus.


Notice the word state? Individuals helping out is not relevant. So gauntlet is thrown show me an example.

Furthermore Sharma writes:
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Pls check your history, there were enough Hindu and Muslim troops together on either side of battlefield in medieval times for you not to oversimplify things

Hindus fought for Mughals because they had given their daughters to Mughal kings. They saw with their own eyes destruction of temples in numerous places and did nothing. The presence of Hindus on the side of Mughals is *not* an act of secularism.

Since you *claim* to know history let us put it to test. I would like to see examples where Muslims supported Hindu kings and did not betray them.

Lastly I would like to point out that the myopic thinking that you are showing is what prevades in our ruling elite today and that is why we have nonsense discussions in higher echelons of moving ourselves out of Siachen, be sensitive to Pakis, remove AFSPA etc etc.


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johneeG, first things first, I am an advocate of not vacating Siachen. Second thing, I come from a family with several generations having served in IA and the princely armies etc. Though never joined the forces, have experienced the stress of carrying the thought of losing one's kith and kin. Thirdly, I don't love or support any concession to Pakland (perhaps enough baggages within the family of experiencing partition)...

What I am asking some self styled historians over here is that whatever conclusions they have come up with, it doesnt mean anything because India is still a secular and pluralistic nation.

When people selectively cull out data to suit their point from history to make sweeping statements that question the patriotism of certain Indians, I would like to know what has been their own contribution which makes them feel superior to those communities...???


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Peter, there were Hindu Muslim baggages perhaps, but a lot of treachery was not for religion but for self gain... and enough within co-religionists to put up an equally strong argument that opposes your conclusion. So to paint a black vs white picture is not right


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Peter, there were Hindu Muslim baggages perhaps, but a lot of treachery was not for religion but for self gain... and enough within co-religionists to put up an equally strong argument that opposes your conclusion. So to paint a black vs white picture is not right


Buddy don't handwave because this is what JNU our premier institution is good at. Show me some data.


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I think Govt of Dr MMS and its dreamy success in driving record expansion of Indian economy has finally come to an end. I have been a strong supporter of Dr Singh and his govt over last 7 years and still firmly believe in his integrity and wisdom to lead India. He knows what needs to be done better than most but I think after Telecom scandal followed by numerous others that followed it some fictitious and some real, he has lost the command over coalition govt that he runs. Most policy steps that his govt took or tried to take has been reversed or nipped in the bud. His present position and shattered reputation has allowed his rivals, colleges and partners to gain an upper hand. His position is like that of Obama with respect to US congress. In short neither of them can garner support for their policies so a “policy paralysis” will continue until a new leader takes over. Both these otherwise capable leaders have been cornered by their rivals, prevailing situations and fate if you'll. Time to go!

At this point I don't think he can turn it around successfully, an immediate leadership change, even with Yuvraj or Sonia, would bring a sense of hope for change and freshness for remaining 2 years. Elections at this fragile time would/could cause more troubles……


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>>I have been a strong supporter of Dr Singh and his govt over last 7 years and still firmly believe in his integrity and wisdom to lead India.

Keep dreaming.

MMS is ther most corrupt PM this country has ever had. Sure, he did not take money. But he did look the other way even as his cabinet members were indulging in corruption of biblical proportions (pun intended). Why? So that he could stay on as PM.

Is that also not corruption? He may not be money corrupt, but he is power corrupt. He is a Gandhian.


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I am seriously beginning to doubt ,whether 1991 reforms had anything to do with MMS... To me they were pvnrs idea onlee and credit should go to him ..that much is becoming painfully apparent..

A good government would address infrastructural issues , create proper investment environment ,facilitate industry by proper legislations and take proactive steps in development of the backward regions..

The present government does not show any signs of that..

The decent growth that we had from 2005-2009 were a result of sound policy framed during the NDA besides global acceleration.. UPA was at the "right place at the right time" and got credit for that ...

But now they have run out of luck ..coalition politics is a poor excuse... And none of the scams are imaginary... all took place...but poor policy did worse damage than all scams combined..


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I am seriously beginning to doubt ,whether 1991 reforms had anything to do with MMS... To me they were pvnrs idea onlee and credit should go to him ..that much is becoming painfully apparent.


Yes, Several commentators including TNN have pointed this out. PVNR unfortunately let everyone think MMS was in charge in case it all went South. The real courage was political. MMS has shown an unfortunate tendency to buckle before the strong and powerful and to go after the weak. Willing to crack the skulls of the AH crowd but defends the rights of the 2G crowd.


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>>I have been a strong supporter of Dr Singh and his govt over last 7 years and still firmly believe in his integrity and wisdom to lead India.


He is the ONLY reason we are having discussion here in this thread. He is an incompetent and self-serving government clerk. I can find people like MMS in many government departments all over India. They can take orders and implement plans but they dont have the "balls" to make an omlette because you need to break an egg first!
Integrity and wisdom! :rotfl:


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Yes, Several commentators including TNN have pointed this out. PVNR unfortunately let everyone think MMS was in charge in case it all went South. The real courage was political. MMS has shown an unfortunate tendency to buckle before the strong and powerful and to go after the weak. Willing to crack the skulls of the AH crowd but defends the rights of the 2G crowd.



No, PVNR was denied credit for his role in RJM_BM issue. Many leftists hate him for that.


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Altair: "he started it" is not really an explanation. If you have an issue with a post, please report it and move along. I'm sure you're capable of posting useful content on this thread and elsewhere, but the emotion gets in your way.


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PostPosted: 04 Jun 2012 21:50 
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I reported the post. It is a blatant provocation and I will not sit on my hands.


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PostPosted: 04 Jun 2012 23:13 
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Altair wrote:
I reported the post. It is a blatant provocation and I will not sit on my hands.

Far from it. It's your post in response to Katare that's provocative. Opining about performance in a mature manner is neither provocative nor against forum rules. If you disagree, an equally mature response with your POV would have been the best approach; trolling and cheap shots will get you warned next time for thread disruption. I'll let another mod address your post report itself. No further discussion on the topic in this thread please; use the forum feedback thread.


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PostPosted: 06 Aug 2012 09:52 
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Victor wrote:
shiv wrote:
Exactly where is the US going?

We don't know and there's nothing we can do about it even if we did. Whining about America is not a productive use of our time. BTW, didn't you say you were going to spare us your sanctimony here?

I didn't say that. Put me on your ignore list Uncle Tom if reading my posts is a waste of your time.


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PostPosted: 06 Aug 2012 09:57 
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Victor wrote:
BTW, didn't you say you were going to spare us your sanctimony here?

When the US starts to spare us its sanctimony on 'religious freedom', we can maybe have Shiv ji reciprocate. Until that point is reached, your suggestion is quite idiotic.


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PostPosted: 06 Aug 2012 10:07 
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shiv wrote:
Put me on your ignore list Uncle Tom if reading my posts is a waste of your time.

I will try harder and please return the favour. I was going to respond to point out how moronic and pathetic you are beginning to sound but you are doing a good job yourself.


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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2013 21:38 
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LoL Chinese sure don't know how to handle eing caught with their pants down after lying through there teeth about pindeginous capability.


"What you feel or hope don't matter a bit in the real world". Exactly china may see itself as a superpower but it real world it doesn't matter at all since it is not even close to medium power.


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PostPosted: 13 Mar 2013 06:15 
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Sagar G wrote:
ashi wrote:
Sure. Whatever you say, don't bother me a bit.


Oh don't flatter yourself I don't give a hoot for any of your country's copy pasted/stolen weapons you can keep jumping in joy each and every time your country manages to copy/steal something, take your sorry ass and your claims of "indigenization" to some place else.

ashi wrote:
We have a lot to look forward to, J-20, J-31, Y-20, J-10B, J-15, the list goes on. :-)


Yeah whatever :rotfl:

ashi wrote:
There is nothing to be ashamed of, at least we don't need to import rifles from foreign countries.


We make our own attack choppers, you can shove your "indigenous" rifle up your's oh no wait the PLA already does that :lol:


Likewise, you can shovel your import rifle up your, haha, I bet it feels better than a insas.


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PostPosted: 13 Mar 2013 06:19 
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You can shove the entire Joke series up your ass since no one except desperate pakis is stupid enough to buy it.


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