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If India had the gumption, it should have burned the bodies, instead of burying them. The faithfools have an aversion to being burned, and consider that their shahadaat has been compromised.


Surinder, buried bodies can be exhumed and re-examined unlike cremated bodies. One can never tell how science pans out. A relative of the dead guys may have his blood sample taken and compared against existing samples an revalidated against an exhumed specimen if there are doubts.


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India, Pak to launch major wargames at same time From TOI(let)

Do we know, who Pak or India, announced the war games last. I think its India, and one possibility is that if we are also wargaming, as it would avoid temptation to pakis.



Another joke and source of entertainment for the west, thats all. Recall, there was a hilarious parody of the India TSP phony fist fight in the Onion or some such political sattire magazine. In that the author likened both India & TSP as cowards who keep shouting but neither has the guts to fight a real war. Equal equal onlee so far. But TSP does score one up in that after all this tamasha, they sure do fight, except coverrtly with LET, while India does so as well, with dossiers :-). India TSP equal equal onlee is the messsage TSP wants to send through this tit for tat circus.


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Surinder, buried bodies can be exhumed and re-examined unlike cremated bodies. One can never tell how science pans out. A relative of the dead guys may have his blood sample taken and compared against existing samples an revalidated against an exhumed specimen if there are doubts.


Shiv, I somehow do no think that this is the reason why these roaches were burried and not burnt. If this is the real reason, then it is far better to not even bury them, just keep them frozen (as they had been kept for over a year). The cost of freezing them is a small cost for a nation like India.

Also, you can cut them up and store/freeze some parts of them for future forensic reasons, and burn the rest of them. And more important than that Advertise the fact that these roaches were given the Hindu funeral bye bye. This is bound to have a deterring effect on the those contemplating shadaatized, especailly the village folks, which is what they were. (Quite obviusly the the IM"s would be OK too)


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New Delhi-Lahore bus brings fake currency

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For the first time since the start of New Delhi-Lahore bus service, fake Indian currency with a face value of Rs 2.85 lakh was seized on Wednesday from an elderly lady passenger at the border in Attari.

The fake currency notes in the denomination of Rs 500 and Rs 1000 were detected in the possession of 62-year-old Bano Begum, a resident of Delhi, who was returning from Lahore by the bus, an officer at the border said. She was carrying the notes in an especially created cavity of a dinner set, he said.

Though fake currency is almost routinely seized in the Samjhauta Express train, it is for the first time that an international passenger was caught while trying to smuggle fake Indian currency from Pakistan by the bus, Intelligence sources said.

However, a packet of heroin with a street value of nearly Rs one crore was found in Lahore-New Delhi bus two days back prompting customs and immigration authorities at the border to step up vigil as they checked all buses coming from Pakistan, they said.
The Customs Department had intelligence inputs that Pakistan-based smugglers could try to push in fake currency and drug by the bus, officials at the border said.


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PostPosted: 07 Apr 2010 21:12 
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There were some suggestions about burying them alongwith a pig. That's probably better than cremation as it doesn't allow them to take refuge in the RSS/VHP did 26/11 theory.


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Advertise the fact that these roaches were given the Hindu funeral bye bye. This is bound to have a deterring effect on the those contemplating shadaatized, especailly the village folks, which is what they were. (Quite obviusly the the IM"s would be OK too)


Surinder this is a game that can be played any which way in Pakistan.

For one thing the news of cremation will not get through. Secondly the fact of cremation will serve as "proof" that the Mumbai attackers were all Hindu. The idea that bodies can be cremated ("desecrated") can be used to indoctrinate more people. Also the indoctrination is such that the person is told that he will be in jannat the moment the first drop of blood falls on the ground in the case of a martyr's death and what happens to the body is immaterial. Allah has already reserved the highest place for him who has served him well.

Finally there is a continuous cost in maintaining 9 bodies in a freezer. After 4 or 5 years you will find that the total cost in preserving 9 dead Pakis will have been more than the compensation paid to the relatives of the dead victims.

There is a definite legal reason for preferring burial over cremation that transcends the short term pleasure of burning the bodies. Besides - you could argue the other way and say the real way for a soul to move on is for the old body to be purified/reclaimed by agni and the ashes to spread on the earth.

I have actually earned money in the UK as a young doctor signing certificates that there is nothing suspicious about a death allowing the body to be cremated. The doctors certificate is a legal requirement and if there is any suspicion that the remains may need re examination, burial is the way. In the UK lots of people are cremated because of shortage/expense of space.

Technically one could embalm the bodies with formaldehyde as they used to do for dead bodies in medical college anatomy departments. The bodies survive on tables at ambient temperatures for years. But when specimens have been obtained from every organ and pickled in jars what do you do with the body?

If the relatives accept a body - it goes to them. Unclaimed bodies go to anatomy dissection halls or for research. If the body is unclaimed and associated with a medicolegal case that is not solved, then it is better to bury rather than burn. Burial in a known place will make the place a mausoleum. Burial with no rites in an unpublicised area is sensible IMO


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Fallacies of Nationalism
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India had recognised the rights of diverse nationalities to a great extent. Many provinces were created to accommodate the historical background, cultures and languages of the people of various regions. Some critics still hold that India has not gone far enough in this direction to recognise the rights of the nations living within its boundaries. However, the Indian set-up was much more realistic than Pakistani centralism. Despite acceptance of diversity, Indian patriotism has not suffered in any way. Therefore, by recognising the diverse cultural identities that Pakistani nationalities have or transferring more rights to the provinces, nationalism or patriotism is not going to suffer. As a matter of fact it may strengthen because every nationality will feel that it is getting its due share in the federation. However, following the Indian or South African models requires conscious efforts for the creation of a new national identity that is not solely based on religion.


Won't it then undercut the very and the only single premise on which the artificial entity of Pakistan was created ? Jinnah said of Muslims thus, to Gandhi ‘We are a nation with our own distinctive culture and civilization, language and literature, art and architecture, names and nomenclature, sense of value and proportions, legal laws and moral codes, customs and calendar, history and tradition, aptitudes and ambitions, in short we have our own distinctive outlook on life and of life. By all canons of International Law we are a nation’


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surinder wrote:
If India had the gumption, it should have burned the bodies, instead of burying them. The faithfools have an aversion to being burned, and consider that their shahadaat has been compromised.

If you want an Indian precedent for this, here is one: Maharaja Ranjit Singh's in his war with Pashtuns, burned the ghazis's bodies, causing serious loss of morale amongst the faithfool jihedees who considered burning un0zlamic.



I am not sure how true it is but I have heard that Russians used the same tactics in Chechniya where they burried bodies wrapped in pig skin to ensure no jehadi can reach jannat now this his body is impure.

Also since paki army routinely desecrates bodies of our soilders caught example Capt Saurav Kalia and the soilders caught by Iliyas Kashmiri this would have been a reminder that we can do the same.


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We bury the those who get 72 while crossing the LOC too. We could either cremate them, or cut them up and use their cadavers in medical colleges all over India. The mother or father of the shaheead in Gujranwal would have the satisfaction of knowing that the output of their w0mb, the great ghazi/shaheeed son is now in 200 pieces in various medical colleges all over India helping the yindoo kaafirs become better doctors.

I have to mention that we must try to imagine ourselves in the shoes of those cultures taht are used to burying ... how the corpse is dealt with is very critical to them.


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There were some suggestions about burying them alongwith a pig. That's probably better than cremation as it doesn't allow them to take refuge in the RSS/VHP did 26/11 theory.


Why do you want to kill a pig along with and for Pakis? Pakis are not worth another life in any form or shape.


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surinder wrote:
If India had the gumption, it should have burned the bodies, instead of burying them. The faithfools have an aversion to being burned, and consider that their shahadaat has been compromised.

If you want an Indian precedent for this, here is one: Maharaja Ranjit Singh's in his war with Pashtuns, burned the ghazis's bodies, causing serious loss of morale amongst the faithfool jihedees who considered burning un0zlamic.



I am not sure how true it is but I have heard that Russians used the same tactics in Chechniya where they burried bodies wrapped in pig skin to ensure no jehadi can reach jannat now this his body is impure.

Also since paki army routinely desecrates bodies of our soilders caught example Capt Saurav Kalia and the soilders caught by Iliyas Kashmiri this would have been a reminder that we can do the same.


Is there any historical proof/narrative that proves the point made above. Once you are declared a shaheed, it hardly matters what happens to your body. By the same count, Muslims should have been scared of becoming Air-force Pilots or join armoured division as odds of ending up in dust and ashes is pretty high in that case.
Moreover I don't think the people in Pakistan really believe that 26/11 terrorists were Muslims, so burning the bodies would hardly send a message to people who should be getting this message nor it would deter higher echoloens of PA/LeT as for them,26/11 perpetrators were
one more pawn in this grand battle.

@Surinder -> Good to see you back


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Powerful explosion heard in Islamabad
Wednesday, April 07, 2010

ISLAMABAD: A powerful explosion has happened at Sector F-7 near Girls College in Islamabad, Geo reported Wednesday.

According to reports, the explosion took place in a car.

However, no causality was reported in the incident, DIG Police said.


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Lots of info and summary on recent Paki history, current environment and also some old timers views on the partition - article by by Fisk

Shadow lands: Pakistan - a nation under attack

American drones overhead, Taliban troops on the offensive, and the horrifying rise of child kidnapping – Pakistan is in pieces, writes Robert Fisk, in a devastating portrait of a country thwarted by violence and corruption

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 36507.html


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PostPosted: 08 Apr 2010 00:27 
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With US a hyperpower with a defence budget of $1T do you want to give excuses. Come on


There is a Panchatantra story somewhere in this. $1T does buy you a lot of tanks, planes and ammunition, but without buddhi - strategic clarity, understanding of the ground realities, and so on - it will not buy much more than that.

But in the modern world the same power can fake it that it is without buddhi - this is a strategic plan by itself. If others buy it then it will work.
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As for Afghanistan, it is now quite clear that the United States went in without a comprehensive plan for winning the war beyond the military ouster of the Taliban. This was evident in its shift of focus from Afghanistan to Iraq, a completely unnecessary war. There was no concerted effort at ensuring the socioeconomic rehabilitation of the country after decades of war, or even on forming a coalition with all the countries in the region, including India, China and Iran to help stabilize the situation.

Further, the US failed to pro-actively help Pakistan transform its own army and Frontier Corps into a counterinsurgency force by equipping and training it for that purpose. Having been in a kind of reactive mode since 2001, it is only recently that it realized that it did not even know what was happening to all the money it had given to Pakistan.


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Once you are declared a shaheed, it hardly matters what happens to your body.


Indeed.
A Muslim may eat pork if there is a famine or he faces starvation. There is no sin in this.
No post mortem act by an infidel can affect a martyr.

In jihad, there are certain liberties one is allowed. The Takfiri will drink alcohol, consume pork, consort with prostitutes etc. They will be clean shaven, not attend mosque or even pray regularly.
Some of the 911 hijackers are reported to have been drunk at a strip joint a few days before the attacks, spending their money on lap dances and vodka. One of the Madrid bombers was well known for bar hopping with scantily clad women.
The Takfiri do this to blend in with their surroundings but it is not only a matter of fitting in. Because they are sacrificing their lives for jihad, they believe that their sins (alcohol/women/prayers etc) will be readily forgiven.


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Once you are declared a shaheed, it hardly matters what happens to your body.


Indeed.
A Muslim may eat pork if there is a famine or he faces starvation. There is no sin in this.
No post mortem act by an infidel can affect a martyr.

In jihad, there are certain liberties one is allowed. The Takfiri will drink alcohol, consume pork, consort with prostitutes etc. They will be clean shaven, not attend mosque or even pray regularly.
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But what you do is add an element of doubt. Finally most islamist go by fatwa's so sooner or later there will be a contradicting fatwa saying body needs to be pure in order to enter heaven etc etc. I think one of the ways to make them less fanatic is to introduce an element of doubt in their mind what if....... this happens and this mulla is right in his interpretation of the book. Fatwas can be bought dime a dozen in market when needed. We have nothing to lose by doing it. Plus a message to their masters in GHQ that we can do what you did you our soldiers.


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IMHO all these fartwas are to influence common abduls and intimidate kafirs and do not apply to Islamists. Nothing comes in the way of Islamism's expansionism and plundering. Everything is halaal as long as it is done to achieve its goals.

Let us see the logic:

If what is haraam is halaal for jihaadi, and
(A) jeehards liberal definition is one's pursuit of oneness with Allah and
(B) jeehards islamist definition is fight against infedals,

Then what is haraam to an islamist?

He is always in jeehard (one way or other) and the fartwas do not apply to him.

All this nitpicking is to confuse kafirs (so they cannot get clarity of thought on islamism) by throwing smoke screens.


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Delusions of a Paki from the nutty Nation.
India's Pakistan-centric calculus!

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Once again now when Pakistan is engaged in facilitating a workable arrangement in Afghanistan after the foreign occupation has come to end, India is comprehensively involved in stabbing it in the back. :eek: India is striving for a larger than life role in Afghanistan; the effort is mainly motivated by the instinct to acquire a launching pad to destabilise the western stretch of Pakistan. Incontrovertible evidence of Indian involvement in Balochistan :rotfl: and many other incidents of terrorism in various other parts of the country support the notion that India is once again on a Pakistan squeezing spree.

The location of command and control centres and their tasking is Pakistan oriented. Even those command centres which are east on north poised have a Pakistan specific contingency tasking. Most of Indian missiles are of short range; hence their application is Pakistan oriented. Its mammoth wherewithal for mechanised warfare and ambitious naval flotilla are solely Pakistan focused.



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India is once again on a Pakistan squeezing spree.


The nut probably had too much of read meat and potatoes, hence, the early morning colon squeezing spree to get rid of the stubborn inner Pakistan

What a nut!


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What a nut!

This nutty quote is interesting
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There is strong perception that during difficult patches when Pakistan gets busy handling the developments on its western borders, India wishes to see it consumed in the process, rather than giving a strategic space by engaging it constructively. Proponents of this school of thought argue that as and when India had a life time chance, or would have such a chance against Pakistan, it did not and would not want to miss it. The truth is that this notion draws support from historic occurrences.
India diverted Pakistan's attention away from western borders at a critical stage of Afghan resistance against the Soviets. A national level exercise 'Brass Tacks' was launched with highly provocative objectives. This exercise had the potential of blowing up into a full-fledged war. This manoeuvre, presumably at Soviet behest, forced Pakistan to deploy its military in the eastern border in a full readiness status.


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http://www.india-seminar.com/2010/605/6 ... _nawaz.htm
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Centcom Commander General David Petraeus, in an interview with National Public Radio on 4 December, provided a clear understanding of the situation: ‘There are limits to how fast we can expect or perhaps demand that Pakistan can take certain actions. The fact is that they have shifted a substantial amount of their military capability, for example the Indian border, from other locations, to deal with this extremist threat. And I think you cannot underestimate how important the steps they have taken in the last nine or 10 months are. They have also taken very significant casualties in these fights with the extremists. And their civilians have suffered severe losses as well, as these extremists have fought back.’

Such an understanding may yet help restore balance to the US-Pakistan relationship. Equally important is the need for India to show, in the words of Canadian scholar Peter Jones, ‘strategic altruism’ towards Pakistan. Pakistani fears and concerns about Indian involvement in Afghanistan and even Indian support of some disruptive activity in Balochistan need to be addressed by India directly. The terrorist attack on Mumbai on 26 November 2008 was successful in derailing the Indo-Pakistan attempt to collaborate against terrorism. A year later, seven persons have finally been brought to trial in Pakistan for involvement with the attack. Hopefully, a greater openness between the intelligence agencies of both countries will allow them to remove each other’s paranoia. US scholar Christine Fair’s comments about Indian intelligence activities on the western frontier of Pakistan have added to the paranoia inside Pakistan about its neighbour to the East.


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Our Islamic history has many golden chapters of good governance and justice. It is all there as an example for us to act accordingly. We know that the USA has many Nobel laureates in economics, but that has not stopped the country from being almost bankrupt and asking other countries to bail it out. Were it not for its natural resources, the United States would have been totally bankrupt by now and perhaps disintegrated into individual states. :eek: (can anyone see the irony here?) :rotfl:


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The second story is about a fifth-generation descendent of Mahmood, the Sultan Ibrahim Ghaznavi, who was also famous for his justice and good governance. It so happened that all bakeries were closed and bread was scarce. People were facing hardships because of it and complained to the sultan. Upon enquiry he was informed by the bakers that all the wheat and flour that was being brought to the city by the farmers was being forcefully bought by the supervisors of the royal kitchen and bakers were not able to buy even small quantities. Ibrahim Ghaznavi became very angry and ordered his guards to fetch the supervisor, throw him in front of an elephant and then tie his mutilated body to the tusks of the elephant and allow it to roam the city for all to see. By evening there was an abundance of bread in the bakeries and flour in stock! :eek:


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US says no to civil nuclear deal with Pakistan

Hours after Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said that his country "qualifies" for a civilian nuclear deal with the US, like that of India , the Obama Administration in a blunt message told it that such a deal is not on platter of its talks with Islamabad. :(( :((

"We are focused on Pakistan's energy needs, but, as we said last week, right now that does not include civilian nuclear energy," Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs P J Crowley told the media.


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http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/04/07/not_a_daughter_of_pakistan

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Aafia Siddiqui's family announced that they would confer the "Dr. Aafia Pride of Performance" awards on individuals and organizations, including journalist Yvonne Ridley, nuclear scientist Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan and Pakistan's Interior Minister, Rehman Malik.

While Mr. Malik "returned the [award] with thanks :rotfl: ," Yvonne Ridley accepted the award in Karachi, where Siddiqui's family has been campaigning for her release from a U.S. jail.


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We bury the those who get 72 while crossing the LOC too. We could either cremate them, or cut them up and use their cadavers in medical colleges all over India. The mother or father of the shaheead in Gujranwal would have the satisfaction of knowing that the output of their w0mb, the great ghazi/shaheeed son is now in 200 pieces in various medical colleges all over India helping the yindoo kaafirs become better doctors.

I have to mention that we must try to imagine ourselves in the shoes of those cultures taht are used to burying ... how the corpse is dealt with is very critical to them.


The emotional gut response that you speak of cannot be denied, but like I said the game can be played in different ways and there are legal implications which cannot be fulfilled by surrendering to emotion. Recall that a routine "burning" of corpses becomes a "human rights" problem because all disappearances will be blamed on the armed forces. The law enforcing apparatus is under obligation to maintain a record of those whom they have in their custody or those who may have died in action against the security forces.

Dead bodies tell a lot of tales - even just bones, but ashes say nothing. The presence of a body (even buried, when unclaimed by relatives) is legal cover for the armed forces too. Relatives have to sign papers taking custody of the body testifying that the story associated with the death (post mortem report) is accepted by them.

The use of a body in a medical college would be OK if it was intact. But a violent death when a limb, abdomen, chest, neck or head have been blown apart destroy the very organs that a medical student is supposed to learn about. So unless a body is intact it is of no use. Now no terrorist's body would be intact unless he died of old age, heart attack, diarrhea, pneumonia or poisoning. What you have is a badly damaged body that clearly (and very often) continues to tell the tale of violent damage even when only bones are left and seen a century after death.


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There were some suggestions about burying them alongwith a pig. That's probably better than cremation as it doesn't allow them to take refuge in the RSS/VHP did 26/11 theory.


Why do you want to kill a pig along with and for Pakis? Pakis are not worth another life in any form or shape.


No one has to die. Small amounts of pig meat can be imported from USA for this occasion. Being buried with an American pig part would be twice the insult!


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But what you do is add an element of doubt. Finally most islamist go by fatwa's so sooner or later there will be a contradicting fatwa saying body needs to be pure in order to enter heaven etc etc. I think one of the ways to make them less fanatic is to introduce an element of doubt in their mind what if....... this happens and this mulla is right in his interpretation of the book. Fatwas can be bought dime a dozen in market when needed. We have nothing to lose by doing it. Plus a message to their masters in GHQ that we can do what you did you our soldiers.


Production of an item is easy, but it is the marketing that is a problem.

Check how many internet sites, books, media and people cast aspersions on the personal habits and sexual proclivity of the holiest and most respected person in Islam and check how many have developed doubts because of that.

On the other hand there are sound medicolegal reasons for burying rather than cremating. This has nothing to do with religion. Wrapping in pigskin, cremation etc are feeble attempts at humiliation of a live body of people who get their inputs from fatwa masters who do not allow outside information to touch their flock. Leave alone the ummah, look at godless China, a relatively connected up nation.

If you are indoctrinating a guy to go and kill himself for Allah you will tell him

1) Allah will ensure that you win anyway
2) If you die you still win
3) Allah will ensure that the body is intact - but just for added protection please wrap your John Cockburn in foil.
4) we will look after your relatives

After he dies you tell the others

1) Abdul is in heaven
2) you too must go to heaven
3) The kafirs have lost
4) They are telling lies about the body - that is one of their own dead being cremated. Allah would never allow a heroic son of his to be treated in this way.

When you have a bunch of jackasses willing to swallow this crap do you seriously think ineffective things like cremation of bodies will help anything other than assuage some emotions of Indians who have already lost a loved one.

In fact the Western tendency to hide dead bodies helps terrorists in this game. It was the same tendency that got my YouTube video banned for a day (and reinstated by the will of God and some human help). It is far better to make public the image of every dead terrorist's face.


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Gilgit resists militarization

Gilgit Baltistan today is going through a phase where protests and rallies are rising by the day.From Diamer to Gizer people are rising against Pakistan and its army.


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No one has to die. Small amounts of pig meat can be imported from USA for this occasion. Being buried with an American pig part would be twice the insult!


Why a pig part? Won't any American do considering that America gifted Pak with an Air Force and tanks in 1965, looked the other way when Pak gut nukes while India was sanctioned, and is now giving F 16s and AMRAAMs to Pakistan. Where is the court case in America against the Pakistani government for not taking action against the LeT?

What makes an American need more protection than a pig? We are all oh so bold in celebrating Paki deaths an cursing our own government for Indian deaths. But all hush hush when it comes to America.

It is ironic that we talk so much about protecting American lives when America does not give a rats ass about Indian lives.


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The Islamic Republic of Pakistan has yet again made a “list”.

This time it has made it onto “The Worlds Riskiest Sovereign Debt” list put out by CMA Datavision in its “Global Sovereign Credit Risk Report: Ist Quarter 2010”.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is rated as the third most likely sovereign to default behind Venezuela and Argentina but ahead of Ukraine and Iraq.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is rated as having a 42.3 % probability of defaulting on its debt over the next 5 years {5 Year CPD (%)}.

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The Worlds Riskiest Sovereign Debt


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vera_k wrote:
No one has to die. Small amounts of pig meat can be imported from USA for this occasion. Being buried with an American pig part would be twice the insult!


There is no insult in this. The method of burial was not the free will of the believer.

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"He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."


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And meanwhile, the aman ki tamasha continues unabated. :twisted:


http://www.dailypioneer.com/247516/New- ... rency.html


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Thursday, April 8, 2010
New Delhi-Lahore bus brings fake currency

For the first time since the start of New Delhi-Lahore bus service, fake Indian currency with a face value of Rs 2.85 lakh was seized on Wednesday from an elderly lady passenger at
the border here.

The fake currency notes in the denomination of Rs 500 and Rs 1000 were detected in the possession of 62-year-old Bano Begum, a resident of Delhi, who was returning from Lahore by the bus, an officer at the border said.

She was carrying the notes in a especially created cavity of a dinner set, he said.

Though fake currency is almost routinely seized in the Samjhauta Express train, it is for the first time that an international passenger was caught while trying to smuggle fake Indian currency from Pakistan by the bus, Intelligence sources said.

However, a packet of heroin with a street value of nearly Rs one crore was found in Lahore-New Delhi bus two days back prompting customs and immigration authorities at the border to step up vigil as they checked all buses coming from Pakistan, they said.

The Customs Department had intelligence inputs that Pakistan-based smugglers could try to push in fake currency and drug by the bus, officials at the border said.


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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... %3Darticle
The Paki guy did not bring the slaughter of Hindus in his country- Bdesh
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Five years or so after the terrorists drove their planes and passengers into the twin towers and the Pentagon, a cab driver from Pakistan remarked, as we drove past the rubble where the towers had stood, that he could never pass this place without trying to see them again in his mind. A painful effort, for all that it brought back. What was not painful, he added, was the memory of certain people in his neighborhood—a mixed but mostly white area of Queens, with many Italian-Americans, some Jews, and he thought some Irish. After the attacks, some of the men had come to him.

"My wife doesn't go out without a head cover," he explained. The men had come to tell him that if anyone bothered her, or his family, he must come to them.

"I must tell them and must not be afraid. Do you know," he said, in a voice suddenly sharp, "what would have happened if Americans had done this kind of attack in my country? Every American—every Christian, every non-Muslim—would have been slaughtered, blood would have run in the streets. I know the kind of country this is. Thanks be to God I can give this to my children."


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US says no to civil nuclear deal with Pakistan

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Hours after Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said that his country "qualifies" for a civilian nuclear deal with the US, like that of India, the Obama administration in a blunt message told it that such a deal is not on platter of its talks with Islamabad.

"We are focused on Pakistan's energy needs, but, as we said last week, right now that does not include civilian nuclear energy," assistant secretary of state for public affairs P J Crowley told reporters.


Dose it mean that in future it will qualify for civil nuclear energy assistance.


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Unkil can facilitate the same by looking other way when Chipanda would build Chasma-3 and 4 .

Btw gurulog can we dig up the OEM who supplied the reactor pressure vessel for Chasma-1 ? Afaik the major players in this niche area are from Japan (Mitsubishi and Hitachi ) the Qinshan-1 design of which Chasma is a copy uses reactor pressure vessel supplied by Mitsubishi .


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Acharya wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304017404575166270042320854.html?mod=WSJ_article_MoreIn#articleTabs%3Darticle


It is commendable fact that Muslims in US were not singled out and slaughetered post 9/11. But at the same time, I find the article a pompus piece of self-righteous tripe. What about the 1000s of Iraqis and Afgahns killed by US as revenge for 9/11. US has the power to wreack vengence and hence people are satisfied. And to suggest there is no suspiscioun of Muslims is disingeneous.


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Dose it mean that in future it will qualify for civil nuclear energy assistance.

It will happen sooner than later.


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The Islamic Republic of Pakistan has yet again made a “list”.

This time it has made it onto “The Worlds Riskiest Sovereign Debt” list put out by CMA Datavision in its “Global Sovereign Credit Risk Report: Ist Quarter 2010”.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is rated as the third most likely sovereign to default behind Venezuela and Argentina but ahead of Ukraine and Iraq.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is rated as having a 42.3 % probability of defaulting on its debt over the next 5 years {5 Year CPD (%)}.

See Page 3:

The Worlds Riskiest Sovereign Debt



Interesting. India is completely missing in the list. Any ideas why?


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http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/China-to-back-Pak-at-nuclear-summit-in-US-Report/601868/
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Islamabad China will back Pakistan at a key nuclear summit in Washington next week on several issues, including its demand for a civil nuclear deal similar to the one India inked with the US and its efforts to improve atomic capabilities for peaceful purposes, a media report said here on Thursday.

The issue of China's support for Pakistan on these issues was discussed in yesterday's meeting of the parliamentary committee on national security chaired by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, the 'Daily Times' newspaper quoted sources privy to the meeting as saying.


Looks like the leadership is taking the initiative to talk on behalf of China. Nowhere in the report does it talks about an authorised statement from Chinese side on this. Maybe, another H&D saving noise-making.


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PoK judicial crisis worsens
Truly hilarious.
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Pak Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (PoK) President Raja Zulqarnain Khan has filed a reference with the Supreme Judicial Council against acting PoK Supreme Court Chief Justice Manzoorul Hassan Gillani and PoK High Court Chief Justice Mustafa Mughal – a development that could further degenerate the judicial crisis in the region, according to a private TV channel.

Citing a press release issued by the Supreme Court, the channel reported that the reference against the two senior judges was filed on the advice of the prime minister. President Zulqarnain has said in the reference that the two judges had wreaked havoc with the state’s constitution by forming “a new Supreme Judicial Council”.

The original Supreme Judicial Council has accepted the reference for hearing, and formed a three-member bench headed by deposed PoK Supreme Court Chief Justice Riaz Akhter Chaudhry.

Justice Gillani and Justice Mughal have been barred from working, and ordered to appear in the Supreme Court on April 22, according to the channel.

Meanwhile, Justice Gillani presided over meeting of the new Supreme Judicial Council, and launched ex-parte proceedings against Chief Justice Chaudhry.

The proceedings were launched on the basis of a reference filed by former acting PoK president Shah Ghulam Qadir during Zulqarnain’s absence from the country. Justice Gillani declared the Supreme Judicial Council working under Chaudhry “unconstitutional”, and directed the prime minister’s government to file evidence against the “dysfunctional chief justice with the court by 10am on today (Thursday)”. He said that the council headed by him had barred the government from transferring any official the hearing had been completed.

Hearing the case, PoK High Court Chief Justice Mughal sacked two judges – Justice Rafiullah Sultani and Justice Younis Tahir. Shaukat Aziz advocate had filed a writ petition against the appointments of the two judges. The Supreme Judicial Council under Justice Chaudhry has support from the Presidency, while the new council under Justice Gillani has the backing of Prime Minister’s House.

Separately, the ruling Muslim Conference held an emergency meeting with lawmakers, under Sardar Attique Ahmad, in Rawalpindi to discuss the judicial crisis in PoK.


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