Bharat Rakshak

OT: it is very good to have our forces clean and pure, but why not have the same yardstick for raja kalmadi and gangs? /OT

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OT:
He represents an organization that is the very best (and therefore incorruptible) of India. There is no leeway - we expect the polity to be corrupt and smell like pigs, but the forces must remain above board. They are the ideal to which citizens will look up.

And then there is this nobody.. who just got heck of 20,000 one rupee coins and everybody wants to make his life a living hell!
And if you Let the big daddy go and hang the poor man.. I don't see any justice in that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12785746
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-2 ... cture.html


Eurofighter said March 8 that London-based BAE, Europe’s biggest defense company, had released a Raytheon Co. (RTN) Paveway IV laser-guided bomb from a Typhoon test plane, a weapon that Tusa of Defence Analysis said could in theory be deployed in Libya.

“In terms of boosting exports you want Typhoon doing this,” he said. “Having spent the money there’s no reason it can’t.”

Rafale Role

The Eurofighter’s operational scope in Libya is narrower than that of Dassault’s Rafale, which flew combat patrols over Afghanistan as early as 2002 and took on a ground-attack role there five years later. The “omnirole” plane has undertaken a variety of Libyan missions from Saint-Dizier airbase in France and the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean.

“It has been used for air-to-air missions, air-to-ground to hit targets, for reconnaissance and even as a tanker,” said Colonel Thierry Burkhard, a spokesman for the French joint armed forces. “It’s completely multi-functional. You can prepare the plane and choose the mission while you’re flying.”

“I have been little short of amazed about how low-beat the French have been on Rafale’s profile in Libya,” said Tusa, a defence analyst for 15 years. “They are desperate to sell it.”

The French air force bombed a Libyan military airbase 150 miles inland last night, Burkhard said at a Paris briefing, while the New York Post said on its website that French fighters shot down a Soko G-2 Galeb. The plane is a reconnaissance and ground-attack model built in the former Yugoslavia until 1983.

The Saab Gripen, which first flew in 1988, two years after the Rafale and six years before the Typhoon, has racked up 150,000 flying hours and is a proven fighter, despite never having operated a combat mission, spokesman Lasse Jansson said.

“It’s not something we are asked when we’re out marketing the aircraft,” Jansson said by telephone. “Most potential customers know that Gripen has demonstrated these things.”

http://cencio4.wordpress.com/2011/02/13 ... r-typhoon/
multi role typhoon: Italy did not completely rule out the use of Eurofighters for air-to-ground missions, since both T2 and T3 aircraft will have the ability to carry Paveway and JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) that are already used by the Tornado and the AMX, and will be carried in the future by the F-35s (that Italy plans to acquire in 109 examples: 69 conventional take-off and landing F-35As and 40 short take-off and vertical landing F-35Bs). Hence, the air-to-ground mission is viewed as secondary for the Typhoon; provided their ability to use the ordnance in inventory for other aircraft, the Eurofighter will be possibly be used as “back up” attack platforms until 2040.

Still, the jets[i.e. Typhoons] are limited to an air-superiority role, Britain’s Ministry of Defence says, meaning they’ll target enemy planes in the air, rather than attack targets on the ground, a capability the RAF planes won’t have until 2018. Bombing has been allocated to Panavia Tornados, designed in the 1970s.

Britain’s failure to commit fully to a third tranche of Eurofighter orders and an upgraded radar may damp interest from other countries.

“I can’t think of one weapon system in history that was given any kind of boost on the market by one particular conflict,” Aboulafia said. “They need to provide the budget roadmap that guarantees the plane’s long-term appeal as a weapons system.”

Well fighter pilots must have good eyesight and training too. But I recall from when I had great eyesight that there are some things that one can't really see. I think it should be easy to calculate the angle subtended at the eye from a 20 meter long aircraft from a distance of 20,000 meters and the actual size of the image 2 cm behind on the retina. Could someone figure that out? I think that would produce an image that is 20 microns across on the retina. Not sure if that is "pickupable" by any human eye.

It seems that the smallest thing that you can see is what subtends one minute of an arc (ie 1/60 or 0.016 degrees). when the object itself is not radiating any light.
At 20K meters a 20 m long object will subtend 0.057 degrees or 3.43 minutes. This is without considering the fairly significant wing area that is also visible. So technically it is still possible to view it from 20K meters, Now, the other point he had made was that the bison can usually be only spotted from the air due to the refection from the canopy, which means that the MKI will also have some canopy reflection, which should make it a bit easier to spot.

I believe alenia aerospace of italy taught NAL how to build the gee whiz composities for the Tejas and other projects...

But combined with an AWACS or other guidance a pilot may be able to spot another aircraft first and fire off something very quickly - being sure that whet he sees in a particular diirection is definitely an adversary.

Why are we talking about Pilots using their naked eyes to find planes?? is there any
incentive?

Yes. I think that your question is related to the "idealized air warfare" that has become the norm with NATO versus Yugoslavia, Western coalition versus Iraq and NATO versus Libya. But if you look at India versus Pakistan or China we are still looking at pilots using eyes.

now the f18 itslef is an old work horse,

they only work in tandem with the Growler.

and Boeing cannot provide 126 nos in 10B$, more like 50 nos.

My vote : Gripen Ng or Rafale

This is the reason why, when selecting fighter pilots, no AF in the world gives even the slightest of leeway in eyesight.

assured timely acquisitions.

Are you serious?? Says who?

Your vote is yours with all due respect to it.
My point is simply that your arguments are baseless. Neither Rafale or Gripen NG is going to be less expensive than SH.
Rafale for certain will not be less expensive than Rafale.
Given the penchant of French projects involving ToT to be inordinately delayed, I wonder if the LM and Boeing operating in a timely manner would not be simply worth it because of assured timely acquisitions.

Of the MRCA candidates which has the best air superiority role? I think the strike can be handled by the many planes in IAF inventory.
So while the requirement is for multi-role, what is needed is an air superiority fighter.
just my thoughts.

The Paki threat is from Babur criuise missiles as I expect they willl be disbursed to all the corps commanders. That is why they are mkaing all those extra warheads. The missiles will be under GHQ controls. To shoot those down you need a good aircraft with very good radar and shoot down AAMs.. Right now air superiority fighters are the ones that have this. So thats my view.

IMHO, IAF should be "slightly" more interested in the strike capabilities of MMRCA. I guess this because IAF had initially wanted Mirage-2000. Mirage-2000 is an excellent a/c. It can certainly hold out on its own in the air but the area in which it really shines is in its strike role. That also makes sense to me since we have more air superiority a/c than true strike platforms.

The Paki threat is from Babur criuise missiles as I expect they willl be disbursed to all the corps commanders. ......To shoot those down you need a good aircraft with very good radar and shoot down AAMs.. .