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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 07:52 
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Singha I hear u but that is not how people think, everything is expensive here....

Everything is paid out of property tax. So 2 families living together with 6 kids means 1 property payment, 6 kids in school. Of course this is A-OK for the white breeder types but not for hispanic types.....
Similarly, water/electricity/sewer/road tax are all either based on dwelling or largely establishment based. For instance my electric bill is 45% establishment cost. Some thing all houses share. Fewer residences means everyone's rates go up. Similarly homeowners insurance, 2 families doubles risk for others, homeowners dues, pool, gym, etc is based on residence not occupant. It is extraordinary frustrating to go to pool for quiet evening only to find 16 kids and family members from 1 house (won't mention race) creating hungama as happened to me last week and I did look at the sign-up sheet. Most americans put up with it, about 20% do something....
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WRT Greece Neshant and I had a long bewildered conversation about that very fact a few pages back. In 1992 Greece per capita was $8,000. So think on that too...
BTW at the peak Ireland per capita income was $65,000. Yes really.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 09:27 
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I found this XLS which indicates that might not be true. look at line 69 and 70 for germany and greece. there is still a huge gap. the early 90s greece per capita is listed as $15k

http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/macroecono ... Values.xls

being from US govt the data looks credible.


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People who believe that gold a worthless piece, please note this convoluted game.

A golden idea to save (or doom) the euro
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Germany’s idea is coyly named the European Redemption Pact and it is nothing if not creative. While details are scant, here is roughly how this gilded baby would work. Countries with debts greater than 60 per cent of gross domestic product – the (ignored) limit under the European Union’s Maastricht Treaty – would transfer those debts into a redemption fund, which would be covered by joint bonds. The scheme has been called “euro bonds lite.”

Here’s the catch. Countries using the scheme (most would, including Germany, because of generally high debt-to-GDP ratios) would have to cover 20 per cent of their debt with collateral, payable in gold or currency reserves. Default on the payments and you lose your gold. The “sinking” fund would retire the debt over 20 years.


Ultimately, gold rules! By accepting fiat money printed from thin air, some countries are likely to lose their true money - gold. Current bail out only increases the debt load of those countries, which they will have to default at some point.


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This is day light robbery by ECB....

For Europe’s sake Greece must renege on its bailout commitments – my op-ed in Le Monde
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1.A week ago the bankrupt Greek state borrowed 4.2 billion from Europe’s bailout fund (the EFSF) and immediately passed it on to the European Central Bank (ECB) so as to redeem Greek government bonds that the ECB had previously purchased in a failed attempt to shore up their price. This new loan boosted Greece’s debt substantially but netted the ECB a profit of around 840 million (courtesy of the 20% discount at which the ECB had purchased these bonds).

2.During the same week, the fiscally stressed Spanish government was injecting large amounts of capital into Spanish banks. Simultaneously, to help finance the Spanish state, the ECB has provided large loans to Spanish banks (at 1% interest rate) which they then re-lent to their ‘saviour’, i.e. the Spanish state, at interest rates often exceeding 6%. {We know that this happens in uncle land}.


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shyam wrote:
This is day light robbery by ECB....

For Europe’s sake Greece must renege on its bailout commitments – my op-ed in Le Monde
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1.A week ago the bankrupt Greek state borrowed 4.2 billion from Europe’s bailout fund (the EFSF) and immediately passed it on to the European Central Bank (ECB) so as to redeem Greek government bonds that the ECB had previously purchased in a failed attempt to shore up their price. This new loan boosted Greece’s debt substantially but netted the ECB a profit of around 840 million (courtesy of the 20% discount at which the ECB had purchased these bonds).

2.During the same week, the fiscally stressed Spanish government was injecting large amounts of capital into Spanish banks. Simultaneously, to help finance the Spanish state, the ECB has provided large loans to Spanish banks (at 1% interest rate) which they then re-lent to their ‘saviour’, i.e. the Spanish state, at interest rates often exceeding 6%. {We know that this happens in uncle land}.

First world financial discipline only..

Does the 'savior' Spanish state mean sovereign state bonds of country Spain?

Is there a way to note and penalize absence of paying back debt, even if these countries have enough (gold reserves, etc) and if Germany is ready to accept such form of paying back? Such first world behavior does not encourage world markets at all!

Is there any Indian monies going into such first world debt management institutions such as EFSF, ECB, sovereign state bonds, etc.? Is there a way to find out who sells/buys what part of which sovereign bonds?

From the above it does appear that the banks are shored up with the help of countries' sovereign bonds. The difference in interest rates between savior sovereign bonds and banks and has become one of the major ways to do so!


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 15:04 
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The reason neighbors don't like these multiple family is that it turns into an unfair drain on utilities and resources. Though there is some anti-hispanic sentiment too. Yogi is talking like a MUTU, maybe he is minute man. :P


:) I was wondering why you would attach me to a ballistic missile then I found on googling, this -> http://www.minutemanproject.com/

I notice that thus guy's detractors call him racist, thats why I said its always politically incorrect to touch minorities, especially the ones in the minorities who have no regard to the host nation's laws. I know many a nice Hispanic, some very patriotic to US and it was pretty tough to distinguish them from the "regular" anglo-saxon/Italian Amreekans. That's the way it should be. I was let in on many "secrets" also on the community's problems from my regular car mechanic in North Carolina who was a very friendly person.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 22:43 
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-prepares-for-the-worst-despite-spain-bailout-a-838370.html
06/12/2012
The Next Domino Europe Unprepared as Euro Crisis Deepens
A Commentary by Stefan Kaiser
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Indeed, it is now imperative that the troika -- made up of the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund -- take over control of banking reform efforts in Spain. Rajoy's fear of outside influence notwithstanding, oversight of Spain must be strengthened. Troika experts must make sure that the bailout money is used wisely and that the banking sector is made more efficient. Such an effort might include closing bank branches and shedding jobs, a task that the government would like to avoid at all costs.

Last time I checked Spain was a sovereign country. It had not surrended its independence to anyone and especially not to ECB and IMF.


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http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2012/06/g ... -question/

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The geopolitics of the Greece crisis
June 11, 2012 12:29 pm by Tony Barber
Cypriot and EU flags in the city of Nicosia. Patrick Baz /AFP/GettyImages

Sometimes it’s easy to forget that the Greek crisis is not just financial in nature. It has geopolitical implications that extend beyond whether or not Greece remains in the eurozone.

There is, for example, the potential impact on one of Europe’s longest-running territorial disputes: Cyprus. Whatever events unfold in Greece after next Sunday’s election, the Greek Cypriot-controlled state of Cyprus will continue to be vulnerable because of its financial system’s massive exposure to Greece and because of its decision last year to turn to Russia for a €2.5bn loan.


Will this make the Greek Cypriots more open to a comprehensive settlement with the Turkish Cypriots on the Cyprus question? At present there is little to support this theory. But it is one of the European Union’s worst-kept secrets that many EU countries blame the impasse to a large extent on the obstructiveness of Greek Cypriot political leaders.

Might the Greek crisis prompt a breakthrough in relations with Turkey on divisive issues such as the demilitarisation of the Aegean islands, airspace rights and the delineation of the continental shelf? Or will a self-confident Turkey use its muscle to seek diplomatic advantage over a weakened Greece? If Turkey overplays its hand, there is every chance that Greece will respond by drawing closer to Israel and Russia.

A final thought concerns the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia, to which all Greek governments since the early 1990s have refused to extend recognition under the name of Macedonia. As the debt crisis intensified last year, it looked for a while as if the former Greek government of George Papandreou, the socialist premier, was getting close to finding a compromise solution with the Macedonian leaders. This would have been a real breakthrough for long-term stability in the Balkans.

Then Papandreou fell in November. Whatever the political complexion of the government that takes power after next Sunday’s vote, it would win an awful lot of international sympathy if it struck a swift deal on the Macedonia issue.


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In Oct-2011, a democratically elected PM of Greek called for a referendum on Greece's intention to adhere to the bailout terms set by certain European powers. The German Chancellor and the then French President Nicolas Sarkozy went ballistic. They said that the referendum was tantamount to a referendum on Greece's continued participation in Euro-zone. The referendum was called off, the Greek PM lost his job and things well stayed the same.

Well guess what, the German Chancellor and other political leaders are getting their wish. Today's Greek election is seen by many as a referendum on the same issue, i.e. whether greece stays in EURO or not. It is ironic given that Greek's desire to stay in EURO-Zone is high.


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PostPosted: 17 Jun 2012 20:29 
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thanks to Telegraph newspaper of UK for the following.

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Gerard Lyons, chief economist at Standard Chartered, has told Sky News that the euro has been driven by poilitics, and the economics underpinning it are poor. The euro has to be a political union to survive. He adds that Greece is only 2pc of the euro economy, the country needs growth to make changes and Germany should help Greece. Lyons says Greece lost the confidence of the markets some time ago. Markets less focused on the Greek economy and more on the issue of contagion.

He continues: "Greece needs to make changes and collect taxes. Germany does not want to give it a free rise. But key issue is Greece needs growth. The key is Germany and the ECB have the ability to pull Greece and the euro back from the brink. But Germany is prepared to let Greece go. Italy is in a very different and better position to Greece. It has large domestic savings and northern Italy is a dynamic economy. Europe needs a two-speed euro - hard euro for the north, soft for the south. France is politically in the north, economically in the south.

The second high-lighted item is what is driving the fear. After all if Greece leaves euro then which of the PIIGS countries is going to be next? Also what happens to Greek banks and the other Northern European/AAA rated countries banks which have operations in PIIGS countries.


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Greek Elections are over. Now begins the waiting for the results

Like the Chinese say, "May you live in interesting times."


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Markets should fly if the pro bailout New Democracy comes out on top in Greece (currently narrowly ahead by 2%) and QE3 announced as expected.


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greece has agreed to honour its obligations per election. "we shall have peace in our times"


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Apologies if already posted. Dated 08/02/2010 from Greek Government Hauls in Billions in Back Taxes
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"Greek statistics" has become something of a running joke in Brussels and Strasbourg. The term stands for tricks, political manipulation and creative accounting.
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according to one government official, "virtually everyone cheats, and virtually everyone evades taxes." The Greeks, out of necessity, are about to embark on a kind of cultural revolution. The money that has been pledged to save them from collapse comes with stringent conditions.
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His staff have become very creative when it comes to tracking down tax offenders: They use police helicopters .. use satellite pictures by Google Earth to locate country villas, swimming pools and properties. And these tactics have revealed that the suburbs didn't have 324 swimming pools, as was reported, but rather 16,974.
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The sale of coveted truck licenses has, up to now, ensured that they can retire with ample pensions, but now authorities want to do away with these costly concessions and open up the trucking market.
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There is no doubt, however, that permanent positions in the public sector are often awarded very generously, all too often in the wake of elections. Up until last week, nobody could say precisely how many jobs were concerned.
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First world issues only.Image
From Distributed Bureau of Agricultural Crime Investigation
To note, for 'innovation' in counting swimming pools, greeks could have taken aid of Govt. departments like water department etc., European satellites, so on but settled with easy mode Google maps.


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I think it is impressive that they have already racked up $2 Billion providing it pans out.

Their revenue deficit is only $10 Billion. they need to find a way to raise their taxes by that amount and maybe a bit more to pay back the German/French Banks. It is obvious from the GDP data that the tax base just might be there.


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looks like a case of reasonably rich country but poor govt due to tax evasion and income hiding....


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...and rich people hiding income in overseas tax havens!

Seems like a 3rd world country best practices to me :mrgreen:

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And if that is the case, the next country to join the ranks of the 3rd world will be Britain.


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BRICS pledges $ 75 billion contribution to IMF's bailout fund

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Los Cabos: India and four other countries of the five-nation BRICS bloc on Tuesday gave a big boost to IMF's $ 430 billion bailout fund for the debt-wracked 17 nation Eurozone pledging to contribute $ 75 billion with New Delhi's contribution being $ 10 billion.

The pledge was made at an informal meeting of BRICS Leaders presided by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh ahead of the opening of the seventh G20 Summit in this Mexican resort town. Besides India, the other nations in BRICS are China, Russia, Brazil and South Africa.

According to Indian officials, China has agreed to contribute $ 43 billion while the contribution from Russia and Brazil will be $ 10 billion each. The South African contribution is $ 2 billion.

All the BRICS Leaders agreed that the Eurozone crisis threatened global financial and economic stability and that it was necessary to find cooperative solutions to resolve this crisis. The BRICS countries have been the new growth poles of the global economy.

The pledges for fresh contributions were made after the Leaders agreed to increase resources available with the International Monetary Fund. In this context, they agreed to enhance their own contributions to the IMF.

This is with the understanding that these resources will be called upon only after existing resources, including the New Arrangements to Borrow, are substantially utilised, an official statement said.

"This would promote adequate burden sharing amongst IMF creditors. These new contributions are being made in anticipation that all the reforms agreed upon in 2010 will be fully implemented in a timely manner, including a comprehensive reform of voting power and reform of quota shares," the statement said.


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Europe fires back over Australia's G20 criticism

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But European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso has hit back at those critical of Europe's approach, telling reporters: "We are not coming here to receive lessons in terms of democracy or in terms of how to handle the economy".


Julia Gillard "advised EU to follow Australian path" and was given this response.

Where Australia might be now if there were no minerals? All this boasting would have vaporized if there were no minerals and economic shift in Asia.


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India may not have to inject $10 bn for Eurozone crisis: India may not be called upon to inject $10 billion (Rs 55,000 crore) into the IMF bailout fund to help the debt-wracked Eurozone tide over its financial crisis if the global economic situation gets better, an official said today.

R Gopalan, secretary in the department of economic affairs, said that the $10 billion dollar contribution announced by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at the G20 Summiton Tuesday is still considered part of the country's reserves.

"It (contribution) is considered part of our reserves. The country may not be called upon to give the money if the world situation gets better," he said.


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How does US manage to keep its borrowing rate lower at 1.5 % making it among the cheapest in the world ? Is it because they can print as many dollar as they want without worrying about inflationary effects on its economy ?


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What Euro Crisis? Russia Seeks Single Currency


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http://www.businessinsider.com/politics ... 012-6?op=1
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Okay, Folks, Let's Put Aside Politics And Look At The Facts... [CHARTS]
Henry Blodget | Jun. 21, 2012, 12:29 PM | 500,952 | 125

The most important issue in this year's election is the economy.
Unfortunately, this topic has now been "politicized," which means that you can't talk about it without being instantly cheered or jeered by fans of each respective political team.
But the economy is much more important than this year's election or either political team.
And both teams are responsible for the mess we're in--and so, I am sorry to say, are the rest of us.
And fixing that mess is going to take decades, regardless of who's in power.
But we have to fix it. Or we're going to become a nation of a few million landed aristocrats and 300 million serfs.
The first step is getting past the political blame-game and understanding what's wrong.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/politics ... z1yddHi99u


In fact, here's what the last half-century of GDP looks like when you subtract the amount we've borrowed from the amount we've made. (Yes, that's a very big negative number).

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/politics ... z1ydd9JUkk

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India may not have to inject $10 bn for Eurozone crisis: India may not be called upon to inject $10 billion (Rs 55,000 crore) into the IMF bailout fund to help the debt-wracked Eurozone tide over its financial crisis if the global economic situation gets better, an official said today.

R Gopalan, secretary in the department of economic affairs, said that the $10 billion dollar contribution announced by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at the G20 Summiton Tuesday is still considered part of the country's reserves.

"It (contribution) is considered part of our reserves. The country may not be called upon to give the money if the world situation gets better," he said.

I am not an expert but even for Greece, with population of 1.1 crore, the required countermeasures are not tiny.(link). Think this is not hidden.


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How does US manage to keep its borrowing rate lower at 1.5 % making it among the cheapest in the world ? Is it because they can print as many dollar as they want without worrying about inflationary effects on its economy ?


Two things
1) America is the preeminent economic power of the world, the biggest market in the world.
2) America is the preeminent military power of the world.

The first has been true since 1920s. The second has been true since 1940s.

Moreover all the countries interact with each other using US currency, i.e. Dollar. And no America cannot print as many dollars as it likes. It tried to do that in the past, recall the stagflation of 1970s. But yes all the economies of the world are today tied down to America and trade with it. Today as we speak the biggest trading partner for China, India, japan and Europe is USA.

Until the time comes when we trade more with our Asian partners, when our trade is not denominated in some other sovereign currency, till then the Dollar is the king.


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http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/2 ... 1C20120622

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Iceland, whose economy has recovered rapidly following the 2008 collapse of its banking sector, on Friday repaid $483.7 million in loans to the International Monetary Fund, the lender said.

The early repayment, which follows another one of more than $900 million in March, is a symbolic step for the country of just 320,000 people as it works its way out of a financial meltdown that ravaged the economy.


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Getting Away with It: Paul Krugman and Robin Wells


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The inimitable Matt Tabibi of Rolling stone sets another giant snowball rolling only...towards a stoned society, seems like...

The Scam Wall Street learned from the Mafia

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Someday, it will go down in history as the first trial of the modern American mafia. Of course, you won't hear the recent financial corruption case, United States of America v. Carollo, Goldberg and Grimm, called anything like that. Even then, all you probably heard was that a threesome of bit players on Wall Street got convicted of obscure antitrust violations in one of the most inscrutable, jargon-packed legal snoozefests since the government's massive case against Microsoft in the Nineties- not exactly the thrilling courtroom drama offered by the famed trials of old-school mobsters like Al Capone or Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo.

The defendants in the case- Dominick Carollo, Steven Goldberg and Peter Grimm- worked for GE Capital, the finance arm of General Electric. Along with virtually every major bank and finance company on Wall Street, these three Wall Street wiseguys spent the past decade taking part in a breathtakingly broad scheme to skim billions of dollars from the coffers of cities and small towns across America.

The banks achieved this gigantic rip-off by secretly colluding to rig the public bids on municipal bonds, a business worth $3.7 trillion. By conspiring to lower the interest rates that towns earn on these investments, the banks systematically stole from schools, hospitals, libraries and nursing homes- from "virtually every state, district and territory in the United States," according to one settlement. And they did it so cleverly that the victims never even knew they were being cheated. No thumbs were broken, and nobody ended up in a landfill in New Jersey, but money disappeared, lots and lots of it, and its manner of disappearance had a familiar name: organized crime.


Like I said, inimitable. It had to take a rolling stone to expose this highway robbery. The corporate media is well and trulky bought and paid for and hasn't uttered a word on this wealth transfer and its implications.

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More recently, a major international investigation has been launched into the manipulation of Libor, the interbank lending index that is used to calculate global interest rates for products worth more than $3 trillion a year. [...] But USA v. Carollo marks the first time we actually got incontrovertible evidence that Wall Street has moved into this cartel-type brand of criminality. [..] In a post-crash era where Wall Street trials almost never make it into court, and even the harshest settlements end with the evidence buried by the government and the offending banks permitted to escape with no admission of wrongdoing, this case finally dragged the whole ugly truth of American finance out into the open and it was a hell of a show.


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To grasp the full insanity of these revelations, one must step back and consider all this information together: the bribes, yes, but also the industrywide, anti-competitive bid-rigging scheme. It turns into a kind of unbroken Möbius strip of corruption: the banks pay middlemen to rig auctions, the middlemen bribe politicians to win business, then the politicians choose the middlemen to run the auctions, leading right back to the banks bribing the middlemen to rig the bids.

When we allow Wall Street to continually raid the public cookie jar, we're not just enriching a bunch of petty executives [..], we're effectively creating an alternate government, one in which money lifted from the taxpayer's pocket through mob-style schemes turns into a kind of permanent shadow tax, used to maintain the corruption and keep the thieves in place. And that cuts right to the heart of what this case is all about.

Wall Street is tired of making money by competing for business and weathering the vagaries of the market. What it wants instead is something more like the deal the government has regularly collecting guaranteed taxes. What's crazy is that in order to justify that dream of regular, monopolistic tribute, they've begun to see themselves as a type of shadow government, watching out for the rest of us. Amazingly enough, this even became a defense at trial.


So, "doing G_d's work" and all that wasn't just meant for camera consumption but the masters of the wall-e universe may actually have started to swallow the BS themselves also?

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Instead of anything resembling real censure, a few young executives got spanked, while the offending banks got off with slap-on-the-wrist fines and were allowed to retain their pre-eminent positions in the municipal bond market. Last year, the two leading recipients of public bond business, clocking in with more than $35 billion in bond issues apiece, were Chase and Bank of America- who combined had just paid more than $365 million in fines for their role in the mass bid rigging. Get busted for welfare fraud even once in America, and good luck getting so much as a food stamp ever again. Get caught rigging interest rates in 50 states, and the government goes right on handing you billions of dollars in public contracts.

Who ultimately loses in these deals? Well, to take just one example, the New Jersey Health Care Facilities Finance Authority, the agency that issues bonds for the state's hospitals, had their interest rates rigged by the Carollo defendants on $17 million in bonds. Since then, more than a dozen New Jersey hospitals have closed, mostly in poor neighborhoods.


OMG. Tabibi makes unkil out to be some turd-world wasteland in terms of pervasive corruption...no? and who is to say all big countries (past a certain size) are not sleaze cesspools after all, eh? BTW, does Iceland accept immigrants?


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thats the beauty of the american system. theft and rigging of the game on a massive scale in favour of the elites, while the rest are kept pacified with efficient public services like land records, emergency services, easy credit, responsive town services, 24x7 electricity. it works too.

desis wade in there, they see what works at the low level, they are unaware of and never get access to the wealth creation networks of the elites, so they compare to the same things in india and let loose a loud fart in general direction of india :)


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How come these western countries are least corrupt countries?? Does it matter at which level the corruption occur, they may not be as efficient as our babus but still wiki shows it's a bure milk and honey land where every person is "clean" I really find this hypocrisy funny


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Every township is corrupt
I have owned and built 3 homes in land of honey and milk
The only difference is once caught the law generally is efficient in taking it all the way to conclusion.

Example
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8636923
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6931021


The LIBOR rate is used in computation of beta (the base line) for home mortgage in addition to treasury rates


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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2012 21:43 
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minor slap on the wrist, no individual responsibility....the game goes on.

Barclays Settles Regulators’ Claims Over Manipulation of Key Rates
BY BEN PROTESS AND MARK SCOTT

Andy Rain/European Pressphoto Agency
A branch of Barclays in London.
Barclays has agreed to pay more than $450 million to resolve accusations that it attempted to manipulate key interest rates, the first settlement in a sprawling global investigation involving many of the world’s biggest banks.

The British bank struck a deal with regulators in Washington and London, as well as the Justice Department. The settlement is seen as the first in a series of potential cases against other major financial firms.

“When a bank acts in its own self-interest by attempting to manipulate these rates for profit, or by submitting false reports that result from senior management orders to lower submissions to guard the bank’s reputation, the integrity of benchmark interest rates is undermined,” said David Meister, the enforcement director of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the American regulator involved in the Barclays case.

The broad investigation centers on the way Barclays and other big banks set key benchmarks for borrowing, lending rates that affect corporations and consumers.


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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2012 22:05 
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Cyprus becomes fifth eurozone country to apply for Brussels bailout as banking sector is hit by exposure to Greece
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Bailout to cover budget deficit as well as banking sector
Needs €1.8bn to recapitalise second largest bank
Exposure to Greece has left island with limited funding options
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The full amount would be decided over the course of weeks.

Brussels bailout is perhaps the lingo that looks after those in need of bailouts.


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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2012 23:50 
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Barclays should be wound up.


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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2012 06:41 
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Bade wrote:
If you do not make $250k in massa now, you have not made it to the six-figure levels in reality.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/inflation ... 38493.html


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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2012 17:08 
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ramana wrote:
Barclays should be wound up.


At most what they are going to miss is one less 'Luxury Car / Yatch' :lol:

Quote:
Bob Diamond, CEO, and Chairman Marcus Agius fought to contain the damage.
Diamond apologized and promised to give up one of his bonuses. But shareholders still questioned the future of both.



Read more:http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/bank_bigs_in_mess_w0d6c1ZtWjSq01UH76gWeI#ixzz1z5UkFcVz


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JPMorgan Trading Loss May Reach $9 Billion
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As JPMorgan has moved rapidly to unwind the position — its most volatile assets in particular — internal models at the bank have recently projected losses of as much as $9 billion. In April, the bank generated an internal report that showed that the losses, assuming worst-case conditions, could reach $8 billion to $9 billion, according to a person who reviewed the report.

With much of the most volatile slice of the position sold, however, regulators are unsure how deep the reported losses will eventually be. Some expect that the red ink will not exceed $6 billion to $7 billion.


http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/ ... illion/?hp

the general observer will be deluged with a lot of verbal gobbeldygook which purports to explain what went wrong. IMVHO this is because of the perpetual pressure of growth to be reported to stock markets so that interest is maintained. snazzy managers and snazzier schemes abound.

one aspect that might surface now is that investment bankers who orignate from despotic unstable countries will find employment and the quid pro quo is they channel ill gotten funds of the elite in their nations into the coffers of western banks.
regulators will be tempted to look aside whilst this modus operandi is adopted


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PostPosted: 29 Jun 2012 00:56 
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Key emails: how Barclays manipulated Libor
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The report from the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) highlights communications between Barclays traders and those tasked with submitting Libor estimates which it claims show an attempt to manipulate rates on "numerous occasions and sometimes on a daily basis".

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David Meister, the CFTC's director of enforcement, said:

Quote -- The American public and our markets rely upon the integrity of benchmark interest rates like LIBOR and Euribor because they form the basis for hundreds of trillions of dollars of transactions and affect nearly every corner of the global economy.

Banks that contribute information to those benchmarks must do so honestly. When a bank acts in its own self-interest by attempting to manipulate these rates for profit, or by submitting false reports that result from senior management orders to lower submissions to guard the bank’s reputation, the integrity of benchmark interest rates is undermined. The CFTC launched this investigation to protect the markets and the public from such illegal conduct, and today’s action demonstrates that we will bring the full force of our authority to bear as we carry out that mission.


Added later-- Pentaiah Singha girish.r have also posted on it.


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PostPosted: 29 Jun 2012 04:40 
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German unification conditioned to acceptance of Euro, reveal documents 2010 article.
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Deceased French president Francois Mitterrand in 1989 gave his approval to German unification on condition that then Chancellor Helmut Kohl opened the way for the creation of an only currency in the European Union.


wonder how this will affect the EU/Germany with many of its members economically ill.
Germany will be still be united but EU?
Seriuosly hard working germans have to pay for someone's laziness.


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PostPosted: 29 Jun 2012 10:03 
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I dont think its a question of laziness. its the fact that southern european economies are less technology intensive, have less of world class cos, more agrarian in terms of exports, less of world class educated elite, more personal debt due to different spending habits ....

EU was not a merger of equals . in bad times these gaps are more obvious.


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