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PostPosted: 28 May 2012 17:27 
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Think about the trips using contracted vehicles! The programme will be, like, we will go to three to four places in the day, and travel during the night to the other city. Repeat next day and day after...

And I feel many of the accidents which involve contract carriages happen precisely for this reason. The driver not getting a good night's sleep. Remember reading articles by some road safety experts that the people using the contract vehicle should check with the driver to ensure that he had good rest (even before the journey starts). Many of the drivers take up these kind of constant night driving perhaps for some extra money, not to antagonise the vehicle agency or in a hope that he can sleep when the passengers have gone for some sight seeing.


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there are umpteen number of Tempo travellers, Sumos, Taveras and buses in south india with pilgrims travelling in this mode daily. sometimes they even carry LPG cylinders and staff to cook lunch by the roadside if needed. the drivers are generally young because only the young can take that kind of gruelling driving schedule usually along interior NH and SH because few of the pilgrimage centers lie conveniently on some NHDP roads.


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PostPosted: 28 May 2012 19:36 
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Anyone driven recently to Rameshwaram side. How are the roads ? We want to do TN road trip in August during our next visit.

Since KF has gone paki on me again as was expected, there seems room now to include a North India circuit on a modified itinerary if time permits. Want Agra and Jaipur at least done this time. Hope the roads are up to mark. Checked SSC and found the Delhi-Agra expressway is not open yet. If I get ambitious want to include Jodhpur and Udaipur too, but the distances are large for each segment. :(( Wish I could take a long 6 month sabbatical from my job for a India sojourn.


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PostPosted: 29 May 2012 09:04 
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27 wedding guests killed in Indian highway crash
http://news.yahoo.com/27-wedding-guests ... 15849.html

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At least 27 guests returning from a wedding died in India on Monday when a speeding van lost control and rammed into their stationary minibus on a highway outside Mumbai.The bus was carrying guests home from a marriage in the suburbs of Mumbai when it was hit 50 miles (80 kilometres) from the city in the western state of Maharashtra, police said."The minibus had stopped for repairs along the Mumbai-Pune expressway when the van lost control, broke lanes and collided into the bus," a local police officer who declined to be named told AFP by telephone.About 18 people were injured, with many taken to hospital for treatment, he said, adding that the van driver was held for interrogation.The six-lane, toll highway has witnessed scores of fatal accidents since opening a decade ago.

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PostPosted: 29 May 2012 14:06 
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Many many Indians for long have said our roads are unsafe and needs to be fixed. But apparently only Jeremy Clarkson was remembered by this colonial hangover dude.

Mumbai expressway tragedy: If only we listened to Jeremy Clarkson


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PostPosted: 30 May 2012 12:47 
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Jeremy Clarkson could not save lives of 22 children in Switzerland

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... crash.html


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A quick update on the Salem->Krishnagiri->Attibele NH7.
1. The (in)famous practise of queue breaking have started at the toll booths on this highway as well. Most notably, Krishnagiri toll booth and Attibelle toll booth. If I am not mistaken these two booths are the first two for folks driving in from Chennai and other parts of the South towards Bangalore. Absolute chaos at the toll booths, with people dont know which is the correct queue. The attitude of "I have to get out quickly, others be damned" needs to be seen to be believed. And no, the folks are pretty much the urban, well educated folks.
2. Avanashi town near Coimbtore has got a byepass highway now, which is nearly 90% complete.


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PostPosted: 04 Jun 2012 12:07 
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the suzuki swift has been gods gift to every road yahoo in india.


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It is not just Swift, the four worst cars on Indian roads are:

SX4
Swift DZire
Indigo
Indica

I just don't understand why the people in these cars are the worst of the worst drivers. What is it about these cars that attracts the most anti-social people in India (secularists?).


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https://churumuri.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/120529kpn86.jpg

Lucky driver escaped unhurt.


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PostPosted: 06 Jun 2012 10:11 
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looks like car and truck were trying to take left turn at high speed, and the high COG truck loaded with concrete toppled over. i have seen a cycle rickshaw with a woman in the back topple over this way. the local people gave the rickshaw driver a few slaps.


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PostPosted: 07 Jun 2012 12:05 
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Gents a question..
The regular drive on the Krishnagiri->Salem->Perundurai Byepass road is becoming boring. Was thinking about a much leisurely drive through Thoppur->Mettur->Anthiyur->Gopichettipalayam etc. Want to know if any of these towns have a good place to stay. The idea is to reach any of these towns by night fall (or maximum 8PM), relax and then start of early in the morning. Final destination is the "Socialist Republic of Kerala".


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Sachin wrote:
Gents a question..
The regular drive on the Krishnagiri->Salem->Perundurai Byepass road is becoming boring. Was thinking about a much leisurely drive through Thoppur->Mettur->Anthiyur->Gopichettipalayam etc. Want to know if any of these towns have a good place to stay. The idea is to reach any of these towns by night fall (or maximum 8PM), relax and then start of early in the morning. Final destination is the "Socialist Republic of Kerala".


However, these roads will be nowhere near NHAI standards and may be Bad condition, so you might end up addign a lot of time to your travel. GUS whose Native place is near Sathyamangalam might have a better idea

Why dont you Bengaluru, Mysore, Gundlupet, Wayanad route to reach SRK or even branch from Coimbatore towards Sathyamangalam, Dimbum, Bailur, Kollegal, Kanakapura Bengaluru- again roads can be pretty adventurous during Monsoon.


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PostPosted: 08 Jun 2012 20:22 
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However, these roads will be nowhere near NHAI standards and may be Bad condition, so you might end up addign a lot of time to your travel. GUS whose Native place is near Sathyamangalam might have a better idea

We are looking for a road which is NOT in NHAI condition :). That entire road stretch is becoming a bit boring to drive. I feel like a engine driver on duty constantly peering out for people, signals etc. etc.

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branch from Coimbatore towards Sathyamangalam, Dimbum, Bailur, Kollegal, Kanakapura Bengaluru- again roads can be pretty adventurous during Monsoon.

This is what I have now in my mind. Initial reports says the road is okay. And I have also buffered enough time, because the whole idea was to have a very relaxed driving :).


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PostPosted: 09 Jun 2012 17:37 
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyd ... epage=true
so, whose job he is doing?


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Drove on NH58 all the way upto Mana. Real scary roads just before Badrinath.


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Folks,

I am planning for a trip to tirupathi from Chennai. Heard that the Tiruvallur Tiruthani section is potholled and badly patched up. Also, looks like 4 laning work in progress from Nagari to Puttur. Any idea how the old route via Nagalapuram is?

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ajit.d wrote:
Folks,

I am planning for a trip to tirupathi from Chennai. Heard that the Tiruvallur Tiruthani section is potholled and badly patched up. Also, looks like 4 laning work in progress from Nagari to Puttur. Any idea how the old route via Nagalapuram is?

Thanks!
Ajit


You can take the Red Hills Peripalyam Tirupathi route or Tiruvallur- peripaylam( this section of 15KMS is bad)- Tirupathi route.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 11:02 
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ajit.d wrote:
Folks,

I am planning for a trip to tirupathi from Chennai. Heard that the Tiruvallur Tiruthani section is potholled and badly patched up. Also, looks like 4 laning work in progress from Nagari to Puttur. Any idea how the old route via Nagalapuram is?

Thanks!
Ajit


Redhills to Surutappalli via periyapalam is ok ok. Surruttapalli to Nagalapuram is excellent but puttur to Tirupati is again lots of road work and too much of traffic. The other option is Naidupetta kalahasthi Tirupathi. Even though the distance is higher, the road is in very good condition.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 11:14 
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[quote="Sridhar KRedhills to Surutappalli via periyapalam is ok ok. Surruttapalli to Nagalapuram is excellent but puttur to Tirupati is again lots of road work and too much of traffic. The other option is Naidupetta kalahasthi Tirupathi. Even though the distance is higher, the road is in very good condition.[/quote]

14 years ago, this was a single lane road, is it much broader now?


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 14:36 
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Aditya_V wrote:
14 years ago, this was a single lane road, is it much broader now?


It is a two lane road now and have seen a few volvos plying on them as well.


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PostPosted: 16 Jun 2012 21:33 
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Now, the trees are but old fixtures in the landscape, like old people, grandparents and elders, suddenly out of place in a redefined world, suddenly unwanted. And when the old trees fall, the countryside is bereft, like families broken.

Widening roads at any cost represents a one-dimensional view of progress that compromises other human values, capabilities, and needs, which are all not really fungible. Our increasing disconnect with these values and capabilities only erodes the deep wells of tolerance and breeds alienation between people and nature, land and culture. There are better roads, so to speak, to take, and there is time yet to take them.


right solution :

don't touch the old infrastructure if one needs to maintain history.. rather build new entirely new ones either parallel or at distance. why is there no such thought for the future? also, one can think about future designs, with tamrind trees too. plan ahead, to chart on a better story.


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PostPosted: 17 Jun 2012 03:52 
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According to the report on operational efficiency of freight transportation by road in India, no appreciable difference was noted in terms of average speed of vehicles, mileage, stoppage delays per km and stoppage expenses per tonne-km between 2008-09 and 2011-12. The report estimated that stoppage delays cost the economy approximately Rs. 27,500 crore per annum, and the impact of additional fuel consumption due to stoppage delays and slow speed of vehicles was around Rs. 60,000 crore.

The report called for immediate development of new roads, and widening and maintenance of the existing roads, besides shifting to electronic toll collection system, as the present one delayed each freight vehicle by approximately five to 10 minutes.

It also called for access-controlled expressways, and suggested that at least 18,637 km of expressway be built in the 13 Five-Year Plan. At present, India has just 600 to 700 km of access-controlled expressway, as against 74,000 km in China.


will I be alive to cherish many of these..


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PostPosted: 17 Jun 2012 09:40 
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30 KIA in a volvo crash in AP yesterday enroute to Shirdi. driver was driving too fast and fell off a bridge. KIA includes 8 TCS freshers from Hyd per toi.

looking at youtube videos it seems volvos and mercedes buses drive like crazy on the mumbai-pune expway as well.

in US too, bus crashes are usually pretty devastating and always cause fatalities....I-95 and garden state parkway(NJ) are famous for this.


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PostPosted: 17 Jun 2012 10:35 
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‘Fuel consumption rising mainly due to poor roads'
Open Secret now revealed by an IMM study. I hope it changes the mindset of planners designers and implementers and put in sufficiently high standards for Road. Linked to it is the topic of Safety.

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Amidst the raging politics on petroleum pricing, a report has established that the country was losing Rs. 87,500 crore because of poor roads and tolling systems annually.

The figure gains significance against the backdrop of desperate attempts by the Union government to curb the subsidy outgo on petroleum products that puts a drain of approximately Rs. 1.38 lakh crore on the exchequer.


Going by the report, prepared by IIM-Calcutta on behalf of Transport Corporation of India, the stated loss of Rs. 60,000 crore accounts for almost 43 per cent of the drain the government is said to suffer due to growing consumption of diesel, kerosene, and LPG.

As a matter of fact, the loss due to defective road system is more than the under-recoveries on diesel, reported by the Petroleum Ministry, which was Rs. 81,192 crore in 2011-12, though it is estimated to rise to Rs. 1.07 crore in 2012-13.

Union Minister of Rural Development, Jairam Ramesh, has called for immediate steps to bring down the burden, and Petroleum Minister S. Jaipal Reddy has proposed a hefty additional tax on diesel vehicles.

The move has been opposed by Heavy Industry Minister Praful Patel, standing by the cause of the automobile manufacturers who are worried such a move would affect one segment of the industry that was already reeling under the impact of the global financial crisis.

According to the report on operational efficiency of freight transportation by road in India, no appreciable difference was noted in terms of average speed of vehicles, mileage, stoppage delays per km and stoppage expenses per tonne-km between 2008-09 and 2011-12. The report estimated that stoppage delays cost the economy approximately Rs. 27,500 crore per annum, and the impact of additional fuel consumption due to stoppage delays and slow speed of vehicles was around Rs. 60,000 crore.

The report called for immediate development of new roads, and widening and maintenance of the existing roads, besides shifting to electronic toll collection system, as the present one delayed each freight vehicle by approximately five to 10 minutes.

It also called for access-controlled expressways, and suggested that at least 18,637 km of expressway be built in the 13 Five-Year Plan. At present, India has just 600 to 700 km of access-controlled expressway, as against 74,000 km in China
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MNS activists attack toll posts across Maharashtra
Any idea about average time for which a toll post would operate?
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"It is not wrong to impose toll, but to keep on collecting it even after the costs have been recovered is wrong," Thackeray said. The MNS chief also raised doubts over the manner in which the toll collection was being carried out across the state "without any transparency".
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"What is the cost of the project; within what period has the cost been recovered; how many vehicles pass through these toll posts daily. Nothing is displayed at the posts. Yet, collections are being carried out. All these questions need to be answered," Thackeray demanded.
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Mumbai, India's financial capital, has five entry points, which generate an estimated annual revenue of over Rs. 2 billion on an average from toll collection, one of the major sources of income for the state government.


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PostPosted: 17 Jun 2012 23:38 
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Capacity planning is never implemented. No plan should ignore population and usability aspects into considerations, which is totally absent.

for example, we have a direct comparison with maasan infrastructure, and compare we don't even compare.. ground facts are that we have totally different sets of needs, and our road use is totally non-standard, with totally non-standard vehicles and usage.

when we build roads, proper standardization should be done to ensure, capacity, usage, population, and type of vehicles that are allowed to ply.

let alone speed, length, width and lane discipline.. which is totally people centric.


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Any idea about average time for which a toll post would operate?

I guess the contract or agreement between the agency which built the road, and the government clearly says the amount and duration for the toll collection. But this is never really revealed to the public. What then happens is that the contractor happily continues to collect the toll fees even when his investment and profit has already been made. Once in a blue moon the people realise that this has been going on for too long and make a protest. Especially at places where the tolls are like less than five rupees and many non-local people use the road/bridge, the contractor can make quite a lot of money.


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I keep wondering the same thing when ever i pass through the "perungudi" toll gate....


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You should file an RTI on the status of the toll road. Most often, it yields immidiate results.


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Thanks Aditya_V & Sridhar. Went by the Tada/Srikalahasthi Route and came back via Nagalapuram, Tiruvallur. Both the routes were excellent. The stretch from Uthukottai to Tiruvallur was in a state of repair - but was able to maintain 40-60 on that stretch.

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PostPosted: 18 Jun 2012 19:56 
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyd ... epage=true

may be RTI'ed people are thinking Indian roads on lane equals Montana and Auto Bahn!

absolutely shooting themselves in the foot.


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http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/article3541883.ece?homepage=true

may be RTI'ed people are thinking Indian roads on lane equals Montana and Auto Bahn!

absolutely shooting themselves in the foot.


What does RTI have to do with. Sounds like young punks with no experience in Expressway driving. My experience is RTI people are usually the safest and law abiding and most experienced drivers. Indian drivers have no clue how anticipate danger, understanding of braking distances, insurance costs and impact of your vehicle on others. Do not make such blanket statements.


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PostPosted: 18 Jun 2012 22:34 
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I take that back.. it does not make sense..

I was thinking posting in RTI, a related thought, but happened to visit this thread.

you are right.. it is always youngsters who get into road problems generally speaking.


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+1 to Theo. my wife was reporting her taxi driver to make up for lateness was driving @ 140 in Indica on NICE road yesterday. at that speed even a tire burst can result in fatal accident and the indica isnt known for its high degree of road holding or safety features.
I strictly asked her to come down hard on him via HRD if he speeds anymore.


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Theo_Fidel wrote:
SaiK wrote:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/article3541883.ece?homepage=true

may be RTI'ed people are thinking Indian roads on lane equals Montana and Auto Bahn!

absolutely shooting themselves in the foot.


What does RTI have to do with. Sounds like young punks with no experience in Expressway driving. My experience is RTI people are usually the safest and law abiding and most experienced drivers. Indian drivers have no clue how anticipate danger, understanding of braking distances, insurance costs and impact of your vehicle on others. Do not make such blanket statements.


And Many of my felllow countrymen don't understand logic. 11 years ago when my dad was buying a Ford Ikon, the Sales Manger and Dealer came home since they heard we were swtiching cars got into an aurgument with me that the braking distance from 100 to 0 for Ford Ikon was 8 feet- Yes 8 feet, when I told them that for Mercedes BMW at that time with was 33- 36 meters- AKA around 130 foot, they pooh poohed what does a Commerce Graduate know.


We really need to educate people about how driving is social responsibility and not a drag race, defensive driving is unheard of in our Nation


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We really need to educate people about how driving is social responsibility and not a drag race, defensive driving is unheard of in our Nation

:lol:. Most likely if some one tries doing that he would be labelled a sizzy, cry-a-baby and what not. The poor fellow would be told that he is not macho enough. Unfortunately in our country any thing which shows a bit of politeness is taken as being too defensive. Jumping queues, offensive driving all our taken as big time ego boosters.


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Good one Sachin, Indian drivers are all offense is best form of defense, etc.

My personal opinion, which I share with most RTI types is that there is no road in India that is safe for above 60 kmph driving. The risk is simply too great. Non-access controlled streets can never be engineered for anything greater.

In my personal experience safest place to drive was Japan. I felt like out of control Ape in that perfectly orchestrated traffic. The way they merge on to expressways is truly magical and I spent some time just merging onto traffic to experience the smoothness of it.

Americans were truly atrocious drivers at one time and still are horrible. If you ever take I-45 through Houston, it has to be the worst bunch of drivers in any road. I even had a couple of wrong way drivers a la India! :evil: The thing about USA is everyone, and I mean everyone, has been through several major wrecks and totaled at least a couple of cars, including myself. Everyone knows someone who has paid dearly for being on the road and they are remembered.

That is what I meant when I said RTI people have experience. It is usually 'earned' experience and caution. Nothing innate.


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most desis causing wrecks are imho, because of inexperience or in the excitement of new found land freedom to drive and explore without having to stop and go like in desh. it takes quite a bit of time to come out of that craziness especially in youth days (<30s). And most wrecks (stats) are below 30s, and 90% of them are DWIs.

horrible drivers in maasan roads are chippandas.. just horrible. they cause others accident, and some how escape by doing all the wrong things on the road. they are fit to drive in hyderabad.


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a guy we knew was taking his new merc for a spin. now he takes the wrong exit and realises it too late. so he cleverly decides to back down the ramp to the expway shoulder and move along. now a panda driver is coming from behind and rear ends him. due to lack of comm skills in engrish, the cops give the panda driver a ticket and sends our man on his merry way heh heh.

as the saying goes, dont be the last zebra in the herd.

massa roads being a bit wide and better designed there is more margin for some error as FOBs find their feet in the fighter fleet. infact going and learning in massa and then r2i is probably a better way to educate a driver than simply paying the small bribe/fee to get and learn here in teenage...these teenage learners are the most chalu types :shock:


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