South India River Water Issues/Disputes

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shaardula wrote:2007 february was interim report not final.
Shaardula, the Feb. 5, 2007 Cauvery Tribunal Award is Final. It was also an unanimous award. In 1991, it gave an Interim Award of 205 tmcft to TN and in Feb, 2007, it reduced it to 182 tmcft.

Here is the final award:
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Sumeet wrote:for the IT people here:

which of the two you think is going to be more prominent in future say 2 - 3 years down the road ?

Java or C#
Java in number of applications. SAP, Oracle everyone is using Java and there are good jobs at this moment in Java. It will be better to be an expert in one of java niche. I cannot comment on how the billing rates will be. C# might fetch higher billing rates due to shortage of skills though there will also be shortage of projects.

PS: I am unemployed. So dont take my words to seriously! :P
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afaik TN has no headwaters of major river basins, it is heavily urbanized and now industrializing with full force. it also has lowest avg water table in India.

thats a very potent mix imo. two cabinet ministers maran and PC had promised 1000s crores of desalination plants but nothing has happened so far?
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Singha wrote:afaik TN has no headwaters of major river basins, it is heavily urbanized and now industrializing with full force. it also has lowest avg water table in India.

thats a very potent mix imo. two cabinet ministers maran and PC had promised 1000s crores of desalination plants but nothing has happened so far?
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2008/01/31/st ... 400300.htm
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its a day to reflect on the future and procreate strong young future
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its like that today.
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Sumeet wrote:for the IT people here:

which of the two you think is going to be more prominent in future say 2 - 3 years down the road ?

Java or C#
Sumeet - both are equally good and trying to be like each other - with Sun planning to remove the J out of the JVM and introduce something like the CLR with languages like JRuby.
The nice thing is that if you know Java, coding in C# is a matter of a few hours as the languages are so similar - last year I coded in C++, Java and C# and switching between languages using good old Alt-tab :eek: 8) Java - > C# was a cakewalk, C++ however is a completely different beast - have spent many a nights at office trying to solve issues like linker errors, memory leaks and things that simply return a Debug Assertion error without any rhyme or reason :shock:
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^^ lucky dawgs^^

Moi is still working and developing applications using legacy systesms like VB6 and SQL Server 7.

:(( :(( :((
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Does this get followed by KA and TN, pro-rated to the available water (tmc). What if total availability reduces by rainfall? I am sure the equation is maintained. Is there an issue there?
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krishnan wrote:
Singha wrote:afaik TN has no headwaters of major river basins, it is heavily urbanized and now industrializing with full force. it also has lowest avg water table in India.

thats a very potent mix imo. two cabinet ministers maran and PC had promised 1000s crores of desalination plants but nothing has happened so far?
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2008/01/31/st ... 400300.htm
Units such as sand filters and cartridge filters, used to remove minute particles as part of the preliminary treatment process, were also under way.

Nearly 237 mld of raw water would be used to generate 100 mld of drinking water at the cost of Rs. 48.66 per kilo litre.

The remaining waste water would be discharged into the sea.

Pipes of different sizes from 1,600 mm diameter to 25 mm were being used for the project, he said. About 75 per cent of the civil work for setting up the reverse osmosis unit, an important component in desalinating sea water, has been finished.

whats the status of this?

http://www.flonnet.com/fl1825/18250870.htm

THE nuclear power complex at Kalpakkam, about 50 km from Chennai, will soon have a nuclear desalination plant, which will be the world's largest sea water hybrid desalination plant to be coupled to a nuclear power station. It will produce 63 lakh litres of potable water a day using a thermal method and a reverse osmosis (RO) system. While the thermal method will produce 45 lakh litres of drinking water a day, the reverse osmosis system will produce 18 lakh litres. The Rs.40-crore Nuclear Desalination Demonstration Project (NDDP) is being built by the Desalination Division, Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC), Trombay.

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Again, BARC's CHTR reactors should address better of the hybrid water desalination points. CHTR could be a multi prong answer, but a dedicated thermal process with nukes, could also be considered. That would happen only if TN requests BARC to come up with a dedicated desalination plant, catering the nuke power totally for desalination of sea water.

Again, why is that RO method being combined.. I don't like this combination in one design? We should not use any other method other than nuke thermals.
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SaiK wrote:
Does this get followed by KA and TN, pro-rated to the available water (tmc). What if total availability reduces by rainfall? I am sure the equation is maintained. Is there an issue there?
The Cauvery Tribunal Award needs to notified through the GoI Gazette. After 90 days after notification, it will become effective. To the best of my knowledge, GoI has not yet notified it.

Does it get followed ? The last two years, after the award, have been bountiful. The real test is when there is less water. The other point is the scheduled release date of water to lower riparian states. There have been always trouble with this even when the rains are normal.

The award includes distress allocation which will be pro-rata depending on availability.
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gotcha. GoI is the problem.
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Nayak wrote:^^ lucky dawgs^^

Moi is still working and developing applications using legacy systesms like VB6 and SQL Server 7.

:(( :(( :((
Nayak-ud-din-Toughluck, soon you would qualify J and C# be legacy as well. :twisted:
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vina wrote:
We Bangaloreans have the famous reserve.. mostly goody goody, law abiding, nice, well behaved, polished, civilized in thought and speech, but have the spine and will show the steel when needed..

Very markedly different from Dilli I should say.. all show and aggro,scant respect for the law, largely foul mouthed, but little actual spine.. All very hit and miss ...like Sehwag..
Wow, in a mutual bitch-slapping among 'madrasi' states, no one minds unprovoked slamming of poor Delhites. On a lighter note, one can readily notice North-Indian bashing being subconsciously accepted on BR. Anyway that's life. There is no love lost either side.
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Saik: We are humans onlee, can not just hang emotions in the closet when ever we please. It is a baggage we got from god / nature.

KA and TN have every right to dispute each others' claims. Politicians have every right to take the help of their constituents to influence policy decisions. Peaceful protests by the aam aadmi needs to be encouraged. But that is where the line ends. None of them should intimidate the other community. That is what happens time and time again in Bangalore. They stop the tamil channels and movies. "Gheroing" buses and all sorts of violence should not happen.
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durvasa wrote:Wow, in a mutual bitch-slapping among 'madrasi' states, no one minds unprovoked slamming of poor Delhites. On a lighter note, one can readily notice North-Indian bashing being subconsciously accepted on BR. Anyway that's life. There is no love lost either side.
they are jealous ..

simply jealous I say .. of our wide roads and delectable PYT folk.
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My mom who is currently with me is so elated that she has the "great responsibility" to narrate the serials on Tamil Channels to her Bangalore relatives. Even male retired engineers and scientists relatives are hooked onto these serials.
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Raju wrote:
durvasa wrote:Wow, in a mutual bitch-slapping among 'madrasi' states, no one minds unprovoked slamming of poor Delhites. On a lighter note, one can readily notice North-Indian bashing being subconsciously accepted on BR. Anyway that's life. There is no love lost either side.
they are jealous ..

simply jealous I say .. of our wide roads and delectable PYT folk.
And also jealous of those blue line buses
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SaiK wrote: whats the status of this?

http://www.flonnet.com/fl1825/18250870.htm
The Multi-Stage-Flash unit, which is the thermal unit, was commissioned in 2006, IIRC.
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sridhar raayre oh! i am sorry, my mistake. what i meant is it still not binding, there are challenges to it.

there are all sorts skewed stats in that. for example, an entire district in the basin(chamarajanagar) has been considered 'forest', KA is supposed to bear all the environmental costs for the entire river, when TN has managed to completely screw up two secondary streams, stats on bangalore are skewed and atleast a few decades old and so on ... and such a screwed up award, the hindu and its editor-in-chief, called as eminently implementable that too within 12 hours of the issue of the 1000 page award!! so much for the hindu and its credibility.

hogenakal is just a symptom. real issues are much deeper, which despite posters like the truely unparochial ids like ramaNa and the engligtened parochial ids like theo fidel, on its rolls are way beyond the scope of BRF.

for BRF purposes basics are these: there is no ground water in BLR, half of which is in the cauvery basin and half in pennar river basin. (everytime it floods at the silkboard junction, it's becoz water meant for pennar from bellandur and varthur lakes has been blocked.)

the tribunal is based on skewed estimates of bangalore's contribution to the river, and decades old estimates of demand of blr.

for a city far in the middle of the peninsula, Cauvery is the only hope. that, and preserving our lakes, valleys and ponds, 90% of which were built by, the unheralded and even despised kempe gowda types, who had the vision to RWH despite cauvery, much before the Hindu which started peddling and psyoping BLR-igas with RWH as an alternative to cauvery stories, in the wake of the tribunal award in its Bangalore supplements.

nevertheless, the reality is that bangalore had out grown its supply based on those lakes even as early as the 1930s when, the same old man Sir MV, intervened and built that reservoir in TG Halli. The reservoir at Hesarghatta died before TG Halli and TG Halli which today accounts for 20% of the supply is well on its way out too. Way too much development upstream Arkavathy in palaces incuding Devanhalli, for it to be a ustainable source.

also in BLR, lakes, valleys and ponds have all been encroached by all the nice and bright fast talkers of the brave new world, including Azim Premji. the scene in BLR is so bad that even the sarkari mines and geology department was moved enough to ban all drilling in devanahalli - where the new airport is. even donald trump cant build his hotel at devanahalli, if he wants to drill. neer illa.

Its not a joke or a coincidence that bangalore is also a crucible for all sorts experiments with water. latest being the attempt to privatize water even as important lakes are rented out for weekend oil leaking boating activity and theme parks just to satisfy those who complain that there is nothing to do in bangalore.

fundamentally, supply side issues saar. supply side issues. neo-market walas can theorize, but for the rest and the rooted it is a real game against a loaded dice. any and every outcome will be fought even if the methods are crude. those guys will take the sticks and the stones and do the needful while the rest of the bangaloreans with all those bright and nice ideas can intellectualize and masturbate on possibilities. the rest of us have no such luxury, heck we donot even have a govt.
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krishnan wrote:
Raju wrote: they are jealous ..

simply jealous I say .. of our wide roads and delectable PYT folk.
And also jealous of those blue line buses
ha .. how do you think Sehwag gets to 300 by hitting a six.

In the mind he has just boarded a Najafgarh-Dabri blueline. Geddit ?
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SwamyG wrote:That is what happens time and time again in Bangalore. They stop the tamil channels and movies. "Gheroing" buses and all sorts of violence should not happen.
Chauvinists in KA may be one notch above today, especially wrt Cauvery, but the seeds of chauvinism, in general, were sown by Dravidian parties in TN a long time back.
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there is a lot of geography and historical politics to it too. KA for the purposes of this issue can be divided into 3 regions. there is a west of the western ghats (ghatta) region of KA that is self consistent in terms of sources and sinks - no problems there. but on the top of the ghattas and to the points east of them, KA can be divided into two parts, the krishna basin and the cauvery basin. KA is the biggest basin for BOTH these river systems, which themsleves are the biggest rivers in the peninsula.

on the one hand, KA is home to 60 percent of the western ghats(ghatta) where they record the second highest rainfall in all of india and where ordinary people can distinguish different types of rain(sone, mungaaru, hingaaru, jiDi and so on).
we are such a huge basin only bcoz of the ghattas.

on the other hand, out into the eastern plains, KA is the second most drought prone area in all of India, just after Rajasthan. and i am not talking bellary and bidar here, if not for Sir MV, Mandya would be unrecognizable.

historical politcs:
historically, the heartland of KA has been the krishna basin, the cauvery basin has been mostly forests.
after the fall of the rayas of hampi, and with the rise of the wodeyars of mysore south KA started seeing action.

then after the last battle of mysore when tippu sultan was defeated, KA was split by the victors and their allies. north KA,which is in the krishna basin, was split between the marathas and the nizams and regions west of the ghattas went to the british. old mysore state, in cauvery basin, went back to the wodeyars but under the british. (this was not how it was exactly divided, some parts of krishna basin were under old mysore, but they were small portions. the general division holds and helps in thinking about this issue)

the fall of tippu sultan, triggered resurgence of a large part of SI, including mysore, but for krishna karnataka, it spelt doom. for the marathas and nizams these regions were frontier regions and were neglected. They did not even have kannada schools in north karnataka when it was being ruled from bombay forget expansion of water resources in terms of lakes and culverts to support the growing population. and that is why belgaum is problematic. today belgaum is a marathi major city, thanks to selective patronage of erstwhile rulers, but the unevangelized people have not forgotten that it in the not so distant past belgaum was the land of kittur chennamma and sangolli rayanna who were perhaps the earliest independence fighters. there is a lot of history as to why this historically kannada land has reduced to a problematic area sort of like KA's Kashmir in more ways than one. but that is an issue for another day. suffice it to say here, that it was the people of north ka that started, fought and got a united KA under independent India.

back in the cauvery basin, the post-tippu wodeyars, even under the british, fired the first salvo of this cauvery war.
despite all you saw on TV, the wodeyars were solid rulers. at the dawn of independence, mysore was a model state in all of india*. but before that, nalvadi krishnaraja wodeyar saw that it was important to harness cauvery to support the growing economy of mysore. he took on the british and started anekut work. failed in engineering, went back to do it again.
but the british lorded over madras AND mysore. and by the time nalvadi krishnaraja wodeyar's efforts culminated in the kannambaaDi katte (KRS) they were under the unfair injunctions and impositions of the british.

that is history. we now are an equal citizen of an independent India. I assume that means we have equal responsibilities and rights and equal claims to aspirations to growth and proposperity like the rest of the country.

i challenge vina to establish that KA-AP relations are strained despite krishna waters and limits imposed on kalasa banduri. There is no basis for this. We are the proud bearers of legacy of con-existence with telugu and its speakers. Even to this day you can walk the streets of a place as removed from present AP borders like Mysore and experience that, there are well adjusted generation n native telugu speakers. there are telugu schools in the bigger cities even in the sotuh. I am not even going to tell you about the effort to comeup with a rationalization of an already near common script by the universiy at Hampi. heck even the telugu revolutionary gaddar has been nown to fish in troubled waters of the ghattas, way removed from AP borders.

ditto kerala. kasargod, was wrongly attributed to kerala. but even at state govt levels KA and KE continue to work together. just the other day a secretary from KA was in kasargod to inuagurate a KE govt museum to a KA writer in kasargod. mainly becoz of geography, malayalam has never found royal patronage in KA, but we have p number of malayalee traders and workers in KA in the modern days, who themselves have been gracious enough to adapt locally. and i am not talking of current IT related trends. I am talking of trends that i have observed from even as late in the 80s and 70s in parts of KA way way beyond Bangalore. we also collaborate with proactively with KE on project tiger.

stop making allegations out of thin air.

* it was the first state in india to have a representative legislation, reservation and other reforms.
HAL etc didnot come to bangalore bcoz of independent india's benevolence, the wodeyars had the good sense to appoint the diwans who had the vision to collaborate with walchands of bombay to set up aeronautics industry for example.
Sir MV, after his stint in Mysore, went to Hyderabad and failed. He returned to bangalore, retired and spent his last days strolling the now demolished boulevard of MG road. Similar was the career path of most of Mysore diwans, sheshadri iyer included.
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shaardula saar: You make good points, and both KA and TN should sit down and get as close as possible to a solution. Meanwhile, the tamilians in KA can not be intimidated. No population inside India should be terrorised because of their language, culture, ethnicity or for other valid legal reasons. Unfortunately that culture of rowdyism exists in all our states. For example we have our PMK goons.
Instead of civilization and democracy we are turning India into rowdyism.
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For a moment I thought I was in the "Water Dispute" thread. :P
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shaardula wrote:sridhar raayre oh!. . . what i meant is it still not binding, there are challenges to it.
Shaardula, the India River Water Disputes Act prescribes setting up of Tribunals to give a verdict. The GoI has been unable to implement any of the verdicts, whether in Krishna-Godavari or Cauvery or any other inter-state river disputes. Even the SC's verdicts are unenforceable because there is no mechanism to do that. Unfortunately, the 'water' issue is one of life-and-death and people are therefore emotional about this.
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shaardula wrote:... there is a lot of history as to why this historically kannada land has reduced to a problematic area sort of like KA's Kashmir in more ways than one. but that is an issue for another day. suffice it to say here, that it was the people of north ka that started, fought and got a united KA under independent India.
Gosh.. Our maid is a Kannadiga, a Gowda from Bangalore /mysore, her husband was from Hubli/Dharwad (he died in a road crash..he was a lorry driver), she lived there for much of her married life, her eldest daughter is married to a Marathi guy from Belgaum border areas, he works as a schoolteacher in the Maharashtra side, her grandchildren speak Marathi and Kannada.. all are happy, she visits them, they visit her and her parents in Bangalore, frankly a big happy family , no one cares about Kannada /Marathi.. I dare say that is the situation with the bulk of the folks from Belgaum/Karanataka-Maharashtra areas.. Large amount of intermarriage and all locals happy..Around with folks from that part..and that is what I have heard everyone without an exception say. It is only the politicos and Kannada "activists" in Bangalore and their equivalent in Maharashtra who get khujli ! .. Give the Belgaum is a "problem" theme a rest. There is NO problem. All they care about there is school, water, roads,education and jobs.. Do that part properly and leave the rest alone.
i challenge vina to establish that KA-AP relations are strained despite krishna waters and limits imposed on kalasa banduri. There is no basis for this. We are the proud bearers of legacy of con-existence with telugu and its speakers. .....wrt to KA.
stop making allegations out of thin air.
How can I establish something when I never even stated that! Listen, I insist that there is NO Problem at all.. Telugus and everyone else are well integrated in all southern states , including TN of course (nearly all Vysyas in TN are of Telugu origin,, and even folks like Karunanidhi and Vaiko are Telugu origin).. Same with Malayalis and Kannadigas in TN historically (Many chettiar goldsmiths are Kannada speaking, in modern times.EVR was Kannada speaker , MGR was a Mallu Nair..)..Same case with Tamils in kerala, Karnataka and Andhra.. Come on, who are the most well integrated community in Karnataka.. yep, it is the Tamils of course.. (all the Mandya/Mysore Iyengars and Iyers..the other tamils)..the list is endless. On the other side of the hills, they are called Gounders in Coimbatore side, while in this side of the hills, they are Gowders! .. Big deal ! No one gives a damn , all the young ones, date each other /intermarry .... no big deal anyways.. make love, not war. Sing the Kumbaya.

Now the "problem" is only for the politicos on both sides of the border and the associated thugs and goondas and self appointed "cultural custodians" and other hate mongers.. No one else gives a damn and couldn't be bothered less.. Just get something sensible to get the water sharing place and depoliticize that thing. Everything will be fine.
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these brand new tamilians are really funny, they bear all objectivity claims and testimonies to justify that what flows in the cables in more important than what flows in the pipes.

perhaps it is. but i would like bearing of that testimony in pratice. BWSSB has tried it all. Between vrushabhaavathi, lalbagh, hebbal and other sundry plants around blr, it perhaps has the largest tertiary treatment capabilities in all of SI. i am not kidding you there is even talk of reving the arkavathy.

however, not to speak naasthi or abhisthu, if the mamis and the rest of the smart asses in blr, including digas, were eager enough to subscribe to that treated water i can understand. instead we get all these hand wringing over unseen episodes by those those who live in intellectual ghettos. good commericial movies from gandhinagar might be far and in between, but our serials kick ass way and beyond par. but i digress.

in mysore, atleast for months after the tribunal award, there were daily protests against the tribunal, not by political parties but by random groupings of people. SSLC kids, high school teachers, area organizations, business groups, friend circles, that this and the other. genuine protests. not staged ones. all this was ignored by national media. so it all amounted to that tree falling in the forest when nobody was looking.

then it started to rain in mysore. the area where the protests organize, modern day mysore planners have forgotten where the ancient drains were, just like in madurai. so it floods in KR circle, mysore when it rains. very difficult to gather around then. the protests petered out.

all this was mostly ignored by national media, but local ones covered it. this included protests by various tamil organizations rooted in mysore. people who i thought were not given to intellectual masturbation but rooted in reality. you know, the types who have been around since and before and even after ramanujachaarya set base in melukote. those kinds rooted in reality not these neocons who get to vote as digas.

these newcons in blr are funny.
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Dileep wrote:

Give me ONE REASON, other than PAKINESS/NAZINESS to refuse building a new dam AT OUR EXPENSE?
The DMK/ADMK turds are all despicable thieving scum...they probably do not see a profit in doing such things.

For example, if this was a central project where they could have approved the project, taken the money and still not built the dam, the project would have been approved long ago...though you probably will have no dam...just a lot of bricks laying around for the next 50 years.


A testament to this is the water pipes for the DMKs veeraanaam project still lies near the cooum in Chennai, the project was supposed to bring drinking water to the state, but the DMK susually cancels ALL Projects started by the previous govt, as does the ADMK to the DMK...most probably to renegotiate the bribes for the contractors or some other devious motive.

Kerala needs to find a way to get the center to nudge these thieving morons in TN politics that are behaving without a public conscience.
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All efforts by Kerala for making Palghat a railway zone and for making Vizhinjam a transhipment harbor has been hijacked by the TN lobby at centre. Now there is no railway zone in Kerala and the Vizhinjam (it is the deepest natural harbour in India and naturally conducive to x-large DWT ships) harbor transhipment project is being rivalled by Tuticorin on the east coast.

Any meagre investment by centre in Kerala is thwarted in this fashion as well as attempts at job creation. And then they scrap over water, and that too when they know that in 1979 Kerala didn't object over water to TN because it knew that TN was a parched land. But now that symbolic move has been misunderstood by current TN regimes as a move by a weak govt and it is blatant arm-twisting and pushing by TN lobby at centre to divert Kerala waters to TN. This is simply unacceptable.
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vina saar, i myself am from that part of the state. i was even born there. and 90% of my family stays there. at my marriage, my aunts were asking me puzzles in marathi, most of which i, who grew up across india and in south karnataka and midwest MH, could not answer much to the chagrin of my aunts. puzzles in kannada i cracked.

stop pulling your p-erdos on me. i am at erdos 1 here.

dont gimme this story about giving things a rest. i am not talking socially neither am i being jingoistic. i am talking bottom line, shorn of all nice nice theories. i couldn't care what language you speak at home. but you tap into into the same well as i do. and that you are so nonchalant about the source is what concerns me.
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Raju, I strongly believe that the TN politicians are totally wrong in the Mullaperiyar issue. TN is unnecessarily adamant and uncooperative. The problem is, if DMK does something AIADMK will find fault with that and vice versa. It is like the 'appeasement strategies' of pseudo-secular parties.

But, don't extrapolate everything including investments in Kerala etc. to TN's interference. Vizhinjam and Tuticorin can co-exist. India is such a massive country and we lack infrastructure, especially large ports. You should look elsewhere as to why there is a lack of investment in Kerala.
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Well centre is providing funds for only one transhipment harbor in the region and Vizhinjam, being on the west coast, has far greater chances for being viable than Tuticorin. It will also create a lot of jobs in Kerala. But even this attempt has been hijacked by TN lobby. I want to know if there is anything they will not poke their nose into.
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The lack of investment in Kerala is because of the strong labour union, and the complete lack of incentive for a business man to waste his time/life fighting against all odds to survive, when the businessman can live the good life in a neighbouring state like TN and run the business at world standards.
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Raju, the ecntre is investing heavily in Vallarpadam as a trans-shipment hub. Vizhinjam is a public-private partnership and the bid process is on. Tuticorin, even if Sethusamudram is dredged, cannot take mother ships that Vizhinjam can take. Vizhinjam is also nearer the International SLOCs. Tuticorin is not. I do not understand what you mean by Tuticorin taking away Vizhinjam project.

Somehow, I get a feeling that you are gripe is something else and you find fault with TN for everything.
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that is also exactly the reason why central investment is all the more necessary. Whatever meagre investment is proposed for Kerala is also being poached upon. You cannot fathom the illwill that this generates among mango man.
Rye wrote:The lack of investment in Kerala is because of the strong labour union, and the complete lack of incentive for a business man to waste his time/life fighting against all odds to survive, when the businessman can live the good life in a neighbouring state like TN and run the business at world standards.
my gripe is more with lack of Railway infra in Kerala due to all Railway administration monopolized in TN and also TN hijacking the odd central infra project that comes in to Kerala. There is also a problem with Mullaperiyar due to safety issues and the fact that my house is on low-lying land and will be the first to be flooded whenever the 142 ft dam cracks. (when and not if)
Somehow, I get a feeling that you are gripe is something else and you find fault with TN for everything.
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Nayak wrote:Moi is still working and developing applications using legacy systesms like VB6 and SQL Server 7.
Nayakuddin - can you believe that I did all that in a Grid computing environ depsite being employed at I***sys Technologies Limited - where as the name says, Technology is very Limited :twisted: One of the reasons why I quit <sarcasm>India's best employer</sarcasm> was the fact that no body really understood what I did and had to put up with a lot of bilge of the "technology is ok but you don't follow any processes kind" :evil:
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All things said, Kerala political leaders (wtf) haven't done anything worth recalling atleast in the past decade ehen you compare with TN politicians. TN ofcourse is a large state and has enough political muscle in the centre. But Kerala's politicians and concerned ministries were caught napping in the mullapperiyar dam issue. I would say there was lack of initiative and enthusiasm from Kerala's part in representing its POV infront of the courts and tribunal.

If something happens to the dam, it is going to be one the biggest catastrophes India has ever seen. When the issue was burning in the media at the time of verdict in favour of increasing water level, politicians and people in general were all crying hoarse. Now see what happened once the issue settled down, not a single voice is heard. Not until something terrible happens or until there is a visible increase in the water level.

I won't put the blame squarely on TN. But yes TN could have addressed Kerala's concerns in a better way given the number of human lives at stake.
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Am not being chauvinist here or condoning the violence or expressing any personal hatred against the tamilians but just presenting the average kannadiga perspective on why they feel strongly on any kaveri related issue.

My mom who is your average TV serial watching kannadiga housewife who abhors violence on TV and in movies was telling me today that she doesn't want the hogenakal drinking water project to go on because TN had earlier dragged its feet on BLR water supply from the kaveri.
Her reasoning was that TN has never looked at diplomatic solutions sincerely in the past on any water issue, it has been demanding everything as a historical right without thinking of the upper riparian population and their needs. KA has absolutely no leverage at the centre with one of the *MK parties in the govt at any point of time. Without kannadigas being painted chauvinists and villains and resorting to violence, there's no way KA can draw attention of the centre and the media to its plight as an upper riparian. This is how much an average bangalorean is polarized on the kaveri water issue.

In the aftermath of the kaveri verdict, I personally know many tamilians in BLR who were more bothered about the possible cable TV bandh than the fantastic ruling that only 30% of greater b'lore was in the kaveri basin and the rest could collectively take a jump from tippu drop. These guys couldn't even realize that if at all there's a water rationing in BLR in the future, tamilian dominated areas in the North and East would be the worst affected in terms of kaveri supply as they are not even in the basin region as per the ruling. In fact west and south BLR, predominantly kannadiga areas, are relatively insulated in such a case as they are close to kaveri pumping stations and tippagondanahalli and shimsha reservoirs.

And this is only the BLR perspective. Any zero-sum game between KA and TN will affect BLR the last as it'll be the top priority of any govt to ensure water supply to BLR. The Mandya-Mysore junta, city dwellers and farmers will have to enmasse sacrifice themselves in the KRS. That is why for the first time on regional TV, I saw people from all walks of life, not just the usual rabble-rousers, protesting the verdict before it petered out after the rains last year.
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